Ohio Heroes Draw Down on Mom & Grandma in Minivan

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… because a five-year-old was looking at license plates in a parking lot:


DAYTON, OH — A family outing to an airplane museum turned into a horrific nightmare as young children watched their mother and grandmother yanked out of their minivan and forced to their knees at gunpoint.

The Hill family of Columbus had just spent a day at the National Museum of the U.S. Air Force located at Wright Patterson Air Force Base.  The group consisted of Alice Hill, 65, her daughter-in-law Wendy Hill, and her two grandchildren Aaron, 8, and Brooke, 5.  The kids were on Spring Break and they had taken a short road trip.

As they wrapped up their excursion of showing the children airplanes, the family headed back to their minivan.  But young Aaron had never seen so many out-of-state license plates before.  He wanted to walk around and look at the different designs.  So the excited boy and his grandma walked around the parking lot to check out the cars.

They finished up without incident, hopped in the family minivan, and headed home.  They were just outside the base when they were pulled over by “security forces.”

“I felt like I was in Mexico, or someplace third world… where they force someone to their knees before they shoot them in the back of the head.”  – Alice Hill

Alice Hill said the stop was terrifying.  She immediately witnessed officers coming out of their vehicle with guns aimed at them.

“My grandchildren are screaming,” Alice told WKRC. “I mean they are hysterical, they saw the gun.”

Wendy and Alice were both ordered out out of the front seats at gunpoint and pulled to the street.  They were forced to their knees.

“I felt like I was in Mexico, or someplace third world… where they force someone to their knees before they shoot them in the back of the head,” Alice recalled to Dayton Daily News.

The mom and grandma were not only handcuffed and kneeling, but also remained “held down” by burly officers by force.

Wendy explained her reaction: “We didn’t do anything!  Are they going to shoot?  I was honestly terrified.”  She said that the scariest moment was when the security forces started treating the van — which contained only her children — as “full of hostiles.”

“My 5-year-old daughter is asking, ‘Is grandma going to get shot?’” Wendy remembered.

The family was detained for hours.  At some point they were told that officers believed their car was stolen.  But that wasn’t true.  Hours later they were told the real reason for their detainment: their walk around the parking lot.

As grandma Alice and 8-year-old Aaron walked around the parked cars, someone dialed 9-1-1 to report a suspicion of car burglary.  Based on no evidence whatsoever, the gun-wielding enforcers gave the innocent family a traumatizing experience they will not soon forget.

The base commander tried to smooth things over with an apology and an offer to let the kids meet the security forces.  But that doesn’t seem appealing to the children, who now have a fear of government agents instilled in them which usually isn’t formed until later in life.

“My son doesn’t trust police officers now,” Wendy Hill said. “He views them as the bad guy.”

To say that behavior is acceptable because officers were “just doing their jobs” is a worn-out excuse.  Excessive, overwhelming force has practically become the norm for every situation.  Even if the minivan contained people who just broke into parked cars, is a guns-drawn response warranted?  Is a simple apology enough to fix what was done to this family and these children?

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  1. I read somewhere that a cop was once shot and killed by someone in a car with tinted windows and that anomaly has been used to justify the ban in some states. The prohibition varies from state to state as does the degree of tint allowed. As always, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Taking a car with tinted windows on vacation and crossing several jurisdictions along the way is very risky these days. Based on my personal experience I think some cops view darkened windows as a taunt when almost without exception exactly the opposite is the case.

  2. Don’t forget that in the 1960s cops were often called pigs because they had a fondness for roughing up anti-war protestors.

    I no longer drive my RX-7 far from home because the modestly tinted windows act like a cop magnet. It’s not pleasant getting tailed at a close distance for twenty minutes not knowing if you’re going to get pulled over and searched. They view everyone suspiciously.

    Being handcuffed and told to kneel is like being chained and treated like a slave. We’re more like a prison colony or plantation than a country of supposedly free people. Tower dumps, license plate scanners, TSA groping, x-rays scanners, and ubiquitous communications and internet snooping have led me to the conclusion that America has become a big Devil’s Island.

    • Hi Marc,

      On the tinted windows thing: In my state, the cops’ car glass is almost opaque. They don’t want us to see them. But when we assert a little penchant for privacy… well, you know what happens then.

      • Trudat, Eric and Marc,

        Here in CA it is “illegal” to have tinted windows. A while back my wife and I parked our car on a side road next to the highway to carpool with friends. Got back and there was a friendly state reminder I mean fix it ticket for the tinted side windows. Paid $40 to have the tint removed and of course, $10 “fee” at the county (puke) office. Otherwise a $150 extortion “fee”.
        Drive 20 min. into Nevada most cars have the blackest of black windows. What is the framework of the argument for “outlawing” tinted windows?

  3. I left a comment at the YT vid.

    Bevin Chu
    1 second ago

    “He views them as the bad guy.”
    His perception is consistent with reality.
    They ARE the bad guys!

    • RE: “They ARE the bad guys!”

      … If. It. only. Wakes. Up. One. Person.

      Ten would be good, too.

      Sometimes I think maybe we’ll be sent to the gulag for spreading such truths,… if the empire wins the first wave of the rebellion.
      For myself, it’s better to go down talking truth, than to be talking hollow trash like so many do today.

      I *really* do Not understand how mass-man can continue to remain so mindless.
      I broke free -and I’m no one special – why can’t they?
      Is it a matter of wanting to take The Red Pill? And they just don’t want to do it? I wonder, Why?
      For some reason I don’t want to think it’s as simple as a reason other than they are simply , “Mamma’s Boy’s” and “Panzies”. But, hard as it is to accept, maybe the simplest answer is the correct one? …. Lazy, too?

      Insert scene where the asshole sell-out in the film, ‘The Matrix’ says why he wants The Blue Pill, here X.

      The Blue Pill has such powerful effects, witness classic example: Clover.

      • Dear Helot,

        I can understand not quite being able to make the transition from minarchism to anarchism. It took me years to gradually see that minarchism was structurally defective.

        What gets me is the sheeple who can’t even come around to the relatively moderate, clearly reasonable Ron Paulian position. These people really don’t get it.

        For them, it is not merely that they haven’t connected the dots that would make them forsake minarchism in favor for anarchism. For them there is obviously something seriously off kilter with their underlying psychology.

        • I wonder if Technocracy: control of technology, not people, could be a beneficial form of anarchism?

          1 Technocracy is better than democracy or dictatorships, but without the problems of either.
          2 Technocracy has more in common with being a technology than a political ideology.
          3 Have a pet cause? Something you’d like to see changed in today’s society? Chances are that Technocracy already has it covered, and better than you’d ever see with today’s society.

          Eleven Reasons Technocracy Works

          Netizens, Obey Your Technocratic Mounties, Eh?

          In late 1994, the Dalian government, established a female mountie team, with an average age of 23. The city spent over US$163,000 to buy British police horses. Their main jobs include routine patrols, patrols in major festivals, foreign affairs etiquette, and patrolling outdoor performances.

          After the Dalian female founties gained popularity, several other cities such as Wenzhou, Kunming, Xuyi, Ningxia, Shenzhen, Baotou, Chongqing and Chengdu followed suit and set up similar teams.

          The female mounties are a huge a cash earner for the Dalian government. Tourists pay US$8 to buy a ticket to visit the Dalian Mountie base and take photos with the female mounties. Since its establishment in 1994, the base has sold tickets worth US$4.9 million.

          Photos of Dalian Female Mounties

      • @Helot said- “I *really* do Not understand how mass-man can continue to remain so mindless.”

        Helot, we have highly paid administrators and public school teachers who are verbally proud that they arrested violent little children for chewing pop tarts, drawing pictures and pointing fingers. Humans are the most studied animals on earth, and are easily trained.

  4. But that doesn’t seem appealing to the children, who now have a fear of government agents instilled in them which usually isn’t formed until later in life.

    “My son doesn’t trust police officers now,” Wendy Hill said. “He views them as the bad guy.”

    It’s about time the schaffenmenschen started waking up.

    • I imagine that if this had happened twenty years ago, no one would know.

      Maybe only a handful of the locals, but not as much as the town (and the world) knows today.

      I’m not naive enough to think such didn’t happen 20 yrs ago.
      With the examples I’ve read about the serial killer cops, it could have ended worse. And, 20yrs ago we wouldn’t have heard a bit of it then, either.

      Thank goodness for The Internet Reformation.

      Still, the cops gets off Scot-free.
      So far, the more things change…

      • Dear Helot,

        Re: IT

        It’s a paradox. On the one hand IT is making it possible for libertarian thought to proliferate.

        On the other hand, it is making it possible for Big Brother to spy on us.

        It’s a race to see which will prevail.


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