How Can We Amicably Separate?

Hello Eric,

Just read this article on ZH. Hmmm… you DO know that the CW had nothing to do with slavery, and everything to do with the Bank of England/”british” and their surrogates in NYC trying for a 3rd time to turn the USA BACK into a slave colony for the perverts running England, right?

You DO know that if it wasn’t for The Tzar of Russia having his Navy patrol both the west coast and the east coast to keep the “british” from invading… again, the “british” would have invaded. And this is why the NYC banks and their “boss” the bank of england funded Trotskii and Lenin to murder the Tzar and his family.

You DO know that the entire situation was being manipulated by the NYC banks and they tried to trap Lincoln into taking loans from them, and he told them to get effed in the A hard, and started his own US currency, which is why they had him murdered, right?

You DO know that you do NOT make deals with satan, who controls nearly 53% of the population of this Country that want “socialism” and an end to The Constitution, right?

Just wondering and asking.

That’s why BTC was created. You can just leave the system and it won’t matter as much where you are. If things get bad, you can physically leave the very next day with 100% of everything you own (unless you decide to keep owning government controlled assets that can be taken).

LOL — Go ahead, leave. First, I would look at the money transfers between blue and red states. I’m not sure you have the directionality of need correct — red states are overwhelmingly receivers of federal funds, and blue states overwhelmingly donors to red state welfare. Good luck.

100% of our serious troubles are either directly or indirectly the result of the out of control giant blob in Washington DC. The founding envisioned independent states with a very weak central authority. States generally have functioning government units which begs the question why do we need a federal government at all. The feral government causes way m ore problems than they ever solve and I really cannot come up with anything they tried to solve that didn’t get worse.

There is potential value in maybe 2% of the DC Blob and without the 98% there is a fair chance of reforming them and keeping them on task.

I do however believe that we can never get there and leaving any part of it intact and functioning would be the same as leaving some of your cancer in your body after surgery. There will be no good result.

Let the states do what they want as they are closer to the people and understand their unique problems. The one-size-fits-all approach means one size fits none.

Actually if you read your Civil War history, the South actually did do raids into the North, but it did not go very well for them.

The problem with the “national divorce” idea is that it would follow the programmed Red vs Blue that has been shoved down our throats so the choice would be right authoritarianism vs left authoritarianism neither which is acceptable. How about defanging government entirely? We don’t need either Big Daddy or Big Mommy and never did.

Another seed of our current mess sown by the Warren Court early ‘60s

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reynolds_v._Sims

“ while others enshrined county by county representation (like the U.S. constitution does with state by state representation) in their constitutions “

So, your state legislature reps and senators both count by district population no longer the senators by county or parish. In my state of WA, King County has the large population including Seattle. Well, state senators by district King County dozens of districts they rule the roost. My rural conservative county has one. No longer is your state senate a “check and balance” on your state representatives. Imagine your state with 2 state senators per county, no longer would the large population centers run roughshod over the rest of the state. Here in WA the count of conservative counties far outnumber the liberals – few states would be libtard hell holes if the old system was restored.

“It is like a spouse that does not work but demands you do in order to meet their needs, which always wax. A spouse who carries a .45 and makes it clear that you’d better go to work – and come home after work. And then give her a massage before bedtime.“

Damn, Eric, how do you know my old lady?

We don’t need to separate but do need to identify and eliminate the cancer in our midst. The War of Northern Aggression introduced the occupants of North America to this cancer, which finally metastasized in 1913 with the direct election of senators (partially destroying the “checks and balances” concept of the USA government) as well as the formation of the federal reserve which caused this cancer to spread.
I will leave it to the gentle readers of this post to identify and ascertain the nature of the perpetrators of this cancer (which must be excised from USA society in order to assure the survival of the USA).
Good examples of this cancer existed in other parts of the world, bolshevism being but one prime example. Thankfully, bolshevism burned itself out, without totally destroying its host. being unable to maintain the status quo

This is a pleasant fiction! Let’s pretend there could be an amicable separation.

A line would have to be drawn on the U.S. map and new constitutions would have to be implemented for both sides. The population would separate and go to their preferred territory to apply for membership.

In order to take residence in Libtardia, a prospective member would need to pass an oral exam including questions that pertain to rainbow flags, piercings, and the currently approved list of genders.

In the newly formed Forcibly United Territories of Authoritarian Tyranny, prospective members would need to commit to “donating” 75% of their paycheck and children to foreign wars and agree to total surveillance at all times and daily recitations of the Pledge of Police and Military Allegiance.

Sounds great! Let’s not forget that 99% of people went along with the Covid BS and condemned you for not doing so. A society of imbeciles is what we have and there’s no escape from it. All one can do is live as freely as possible where you are at, and decide what encroachments you are personally willing to take.

Good question.

Especially since in most places the split is something like 60/40 vs. 40/60. Most of the more polarized areas are 70/30, which is still a pretty significant minority.

These idiots are also your friends & neighbors.

Do we create a refugee crisis and tell people to move? Do we go with some sort of weird anarchy system? (Cool idea but seems impractical, and you know someone is going to try to claim the benefits while shirking the responsibilities of all systems). Tell all the collectivists to join a commune & leave everyone else alone? Mass deportations to North Korea, no backsies or STFU? Launch people out of cannons into Canada?

I pretty much favor just trying to keep it together until the system collapses under its own weight, which will force a reckoning, and trying to keep the flame alive until then.

“We do not need them – but they need us.”
Good article, Eric.
(It took Ayn Rand over 800 pages to demonstrate that fact.)

Commenters X and Flip made excellent points about the impracticality of secession based on the existing state lines.

I will add one more, clearly overlooked. Which side will inherit the gigantic US war machine, and its nuclear weapons along with it?

Look at what’s been going on between the Russian Federation and Ukraine for over 3 years. Think of Putin as Lincoln trying to keep the leaving piece under his control. Who wants this kind of bloodshed here?

The only real opportunity to separate will arise when the federal Godzilla collapses financially. There is a very slim chance that some future realistically minded POTUS will dismantle the government to the (barely) affordable pieces when such collapse takes place.

Irreconcilable differences … under Version 2.0 of the DC occupation government:

https://postimg.cc/bsBVFT60

Yes, the “civil war” was actually a failed secession — at no point was the CSA attempting to take over the USA. What is at least as poorly understood was that the “American Revolution” of the late 1770s was really exactly the same thing, except that it was successful. The Founders had no notion of overthrowing the British Crown. A secession is a re-drawing of the map, while a revolution (see France, Russia, etc.) is a forcible change of management.

We might wonder why the Secession of 1776 succeeded, and the Secession of 1860 failed. And we might have to scratch our heads about that for a good while, as reality is a complicated thing. As a starting point, however, consider that the British Crown in the late 1770s had European problems, French and Spanish, right next door, and formidably dangerous. The British gave us as much of their attention as they could afford, under the circumstances, but it wasn’t enough, and eventually they decided, reasonably, to cut their losses.

How could this apply to us? Imperial Washington seems, right now, to be trying to pick fights with near-peers, peers, and maybe stronger powers — we’d have to wait and see — and a situation might come up in which our neocon domestic overseers would decide to cut their losses also. Or consider an economic situation, in which alternative financial networks such as BRICS, coupled with the astronomical US debt situation, might produce a soft general collapse, a la the late Soviet Union.

The picture is grim, and any real change is going to be accompanied by assorted miseries. But let’s not despair. Nothing ever changes … until it does. And when it does, it usually changes way more suddenly than anyone expects. Eyes open, and powder dry.

Def wont be like the 1860s, if anything pops off it will probably be more like the balkans where enemies are everywhere and nowhere at the same time with quick strikes then disappearing thourgh peoplle’s daily routines. That is- if you live in they city, suburbs, or rural areas near a major city. People way out in rural areas should be fine

I don’t think the analogy between 1861 and today is a perfect one. Although we have “red” and “blue” states today, we do not have clearly-defined “sectionalism” as we did then. Today’s conflict is more of an urban-rural one, and, moreover, a class-based and education-based one. You have flaming left-wingers in Austin, Texas and die-hard Trumpers in Upstate New York and Orange County, CA. No matter which state you live in, if you have a graduate degree in Cultural Anthropology, you are almost certain to be a hardcore left-winger; if you operate a backhoe you are almost certainly a Trumper (even if you are in a union).

The other problem with “amicable” separation is not simply that wants money from the other (although that may be a factor) but the problem that one side tends to define itself by its supposed moral superiority vis-a-vis the other. It gives them an excuse to kill the other side and to rule over them. Certainly we saw this with slavery in the 1860s. White people who didn’t live within 200 miles of a single Negro were willing to travel a thousand miles to kill people other white people who did. Today’s leftists define themselves on cramming Drag Queens down the throats for your four-years olds, having “Pride” marches down your small-town, conservative Main Street, and forcing you into an EV. It’s for your own good, you stupid, toothless, inbred morons.

That is the bigger problem than geographic differences.

They can’t split up without destroying both their standards of living – which is going to happen one way or another.
IMO, the CSA would have little economic clout on the world stage. Not sure a few non-union auto plants (occasionally staffed by children or illegal aliens – yeah, I’m talk to you Hyundai) and Disney tourism make for an economic powerhouse.
They’d lose out heavily on the phony growth machine that is Wall St.

Think all the citizens of the CSA will approve of no more Social Security checks?
Adios fiat US dollar.
Lots of soldier sniffers/blue flag lovers in the south. No more VA hospitals and US government pensions.
And who will buy the Lee Greenwood albums?

It all comes down to money and debt. And that’s a 3rd rail.

Eric, you can’t reveal the truth that Lincoln started a War to collect a tariff. If you do that then how can Trump be criticized for HIS tariff policies?

After all, one of the most viciously anti-Trump organizations is The Lincoln Project.

https://lincolnproject.us/

Oh, the irony…

Eric –as a Southerner with ancestry dating back to 1620s Virginia, I’d like to thank you for being honest about the “civil war”.

Have read multiple articles over the years regarding a new national divorce. It’d be more along the lines of urban v rural. My late father used to say “at least the yankees wore blue so we knew who to shoot”. Nowadays I guess we aim for blue hair and piercings? It’d be difficult but not impossible.

The bigger question is, unlike my Confederate ancestors, do we have the backbone today to say “we’re done” and leave? As you state, too many people buy into the myth that secession = slavery bullshit.

The problem with secession this time will be that unlike in the 1860’s the population that desires to secede lives in close geographical contact to those that don’t.

There are a couple of salient problems with the national divorce narrative that appear to be insoluble. One is the troubling fact that, unlike the 1860s, virtually every state in the Union is filled with a fair number of libtards — especially in the South — which makes dividing the country along geographic lines nearly impossible. Secondly, “amicably” (a pipe dream, really) separating would essentially balkanize the country, which allows the communists to slice the country up into multiple administrative districts that are far easier for them to control (and which they prefer). It wouldn’t work.