It used to be that you had to lock yourself out of your vehicle – as by locking the doors and then forgetting where you left the keys (or losing them). Today, the car locks you out and sometimes, even if you have the key – the transmitter fob, that is – you still can’t get back in.
Because the flush-mounted door pulls and electrically operated door locks won’t work.
A young mother in California found out how it works. Or rather, sometimes doesn’t.
Her Cadillac Lyriq EV, which has the flush-mounted, electrically extending (and retracting) door pulls that Teslas have and which several other vehicle manufacturers, including GM, have copied, locked her out while her infant daughter was still inside. For the next half-hour, she tried everything shy of breaking the glass to get the device to open up. Luckily, no one dies – this time.
Flus-mounted door pulls and electrically controlled locks are a feature that’s not unlike the gullwing doors that DeLoreans had back in the ’80s in that both seemed “cool” and “futuristic” relative to old-fashioned-seeming outward-opening doors and fixed door pulls.
But as “futuristic” ad “cool” as they may look, both brought new problems along for the ride. The gullwing doors were difficult to open and close manually once you were in the car and electric actuation made the process much more complex and thus more failure prone. The same problem besets these flush-mounted door pulls. They rely on complex actuators that are dependent upon electrical signals and – most importantly – upon electricity.
When the California woman’s device – her EV – developed a fault with its electrical system (apparently, the battery) the doors could not be unlocked, even though she had managed to get the door pulls to extend. This was potentially more than an inconvenience because she had left her baby inside the device. Luckily for the baby, it wasn’t summer yet. If it had been, the baby might have died.
She did end up having to pay the dealer $1,000 to fix the glitch. Imagine that. As opposed to paying a guy with a slim jim $50 to pop the lock.
One of the interesting things about this event is that OnStar could not help. You have probably heard about OnStar being able to unlock a vehicle so equipped remotely, a very helpful thing if you can’t get into your vehicle because you lost the keys. But Onstar was unable to help in the case of this device because the remote-unlocking feature is dependent upon electricity. If the vehicle’s electrical system is dead or faulty, there’s nothing OnStar (or similar, OnStar-emulating “concierge” services) can do.
Angela Chao, the now-deceased sister-in-law of The Dirty Old Turtle (Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell) found out all about, in her final moments – which were experienced in a slowly submerging Tesla she’d inadvertently backed into a pond after having a bit too much to drink, according to news reports of her accidental death. Once the Tesla hit the water, its electrically-actuated door pulls/locking mechanism fritzed out and – though they tried – people who came to her aid were unable to get the doors open before the car went all the way under, taking Chao with it.
You may also have read about the college kids who died in a Tesla Cybertruck – not because they got killed in the crash but because they could not be pulled out of the Tesla after it crashed. The flush-mounted door pulls gave would-be rescuers nothing to grab hold of and even if they had managed to grab hold of them, the electric locking mechanism kept the doors locked.
Tesla – and GM – do provide an emergency manual release but the problem is that the driver of the vehicle who is locked inside has to know where it is and also how to operate it – with perhaps seconds to figure it out before it’s too late. Similarly, the person on the outside frantically trying to get inside must be aware of the location of the release mechanism and be able to operate it in time.
These problems are compounded by an additional problem. That being laminated side glass Teslas and some other emulator vehicles have that is very difficult to break in an emergency – as for example when the vehicle is rapidly submerging in a pond or a baby is cooking off inside the device.
So why is it allowed – by the same government that says it is keeping us “safe” by preventing us from being able to legally disable defective air bags? Well, several reasons why. The first is the arbitrariness of the government. It decides – and decrees – that air bags are “safe” and that we must not only have them but must not ever disable them (even when they are admitted to be defective by the government) and also decides to do nothing about innately dangerous flush-mounted door pulls/electrically activated door locks as well as innately fire-prone devices and “self driving” devices that regularly drive into things.
The second is a kind of elaboration of the first. The government is incompetent. More finely, it is run by incompetents. Arrogant ones (the two qualities often come together as one).
This gets us to the real problem, which is the foolishness of people who rely upon the government to keep them “safe.” This attitude cancels out what would otherwise be self-preservatory due diligence. Instead of just assuming things like flush-mounted/electrically dependent door pulls and locks are “safe” – because the assumption is they would not be legally available if they weren’t – people would, absent government, be obliged to check into it themselves.
It would be on them, in other words, if something happened.
Of course it still is – in the sense that if you’re dead or your kid is because you assumed the government was keeping you (and your kid) “safe,” it’s on you.
Maybe it’s better not to so assume.
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Cope harder, EV dorks
Americans’ Junk-Filled Garages Are Hurting EV Adoption, Study Says
EVs are great! It’s garages that are the problem!
What a bunch of maroons (borrowing from Garfield-ha ha). Who in the hell would dare put an EV in a garage, with the risk of them burning down not only your garage, but the rest of your house as well? Never mind the garage is also used to store your lawn mower, tools (and who can have too many of those?)…some have their washer/ dryer hook-ups in the garage. Why would one want to waste valuable space like that for an EV?
I might be strange. But NO WAY my baby grands eve got locked and left in a car.
This is why you leave the untrust window open until your business in the vehicle is done and you head into wherever you went. I started the untrust window action on a 1999 grand cherokee because i thought it may lock on its own, and have been doing it on new vehicles since.
Eric, I have noticed on my newer, 2021 vehicle (which has keys and not a push-button ignition), that, at times, the doors will lock automatically when I shut the driver’s door. Note to self to never trust the damned thing. So, if I have to quick get out and get something in the trunk or back seat, I leave the driver’s door open, just in case the locks decide to engage automatically. Also, unlike my old vehicles, when I have the physical key in the ignition, let’s say to warm up the vehicle in the Winter, I cannot physically lock the doors, either via the Fob or manually with the second key. One time I WAS able to lock the doors, and then, almost could not unlock them with the separate key (with the car warming up). Why in the hell they had to complicate what was not broken is just insanity.
Do you have some sort of anti-theft system, either factory or dealer added?
I only ask because when I bought my Toyota used it had a system known as VIP (or sometimes Viper) that either was done at the port or dealer (probably as the request of the first owner but maybe as sales feature on their own). It’s the system that is approved by Toyota but not actually integrated in the car at the factory. It is installed using a bunch of 3M clamp on taps to read the locks, fob and ECU and required them to cut one wire to allow it to interrupt the starter relay.
Why this is important is my vehicle did all sorts of weird things at first, like ways it would lock/unlock on it’s own and the proper steps to get it to active. There would be ways I could go through steps and it thought I was a thief and wouldn’t let the engine start. Mind you this vehicle has a chip key and engine immobilizer, this is completely separate system.
I took it out and now it works much more reliably and follows the owner’s manual descriptions. Might be worth looking into.
That I do not know, Anon. If there is one and it is engaged, I was not informed of it. I surmise it is time to pull out the manual and re-read it again.
The entire ‘safety’ regime has occasionally actually been about safety. A discussion of that is moral and legitimate. But all too often it has devolved to a fight for power and control. There seems to be a segment of humanity which lusts after that to a degree which confuses and discombobulates the majority.
I once publicly contested a major (US-funded) NGO ‘education is a human right’ campaign in another country, on the basis that it confiscates the labor of some for the benefit of others and in effect differs little from slavery.
The overwhelming response: the end justifies the means. Humanity has limitations and weaknesses – this is one of them.
Instead of having to pay the dealer $1,000 to fix the problem she should have hired a law firm and sued the living sh*t out of Tesla. I can’t imagine any jury not coming down hard on a company that traps a baby inside the car with the mother desperately trying to rescue it. Tesla is ripe for a class action lawsuit; surprised the Chao family didn’t initiate one after the drowning incident Eric mentioned.
Is the reason for the electrical door handles to get around Dave Kindig’s patent? Dave’s door handles are mechanical.
https://patents.justia.com/inventor/david-r-kindig
Finally a use for full self driving. An unlikely occurrence or need to be sure but it did allow the guy to live. Yep, it drove him to the hospital after suffering a massive heart attack.
https://www.torquenews.com/18003/2026-tesla-model-y-fsd-kept-driving-after-driver-suffered-severe-heart-attack-and-navigated
From the article: “I immediately pulled it up on Google Maps and shared the destination to his Tesla through the app. As an authorized driver on his account, I was able to remotely change his Juniper’s FSD navigation — all from my 2014 Model S.”
Nope, no red flags here!
This is why government is pushing this technology so hard. Control.
It’ll be a cold day in hell before I ever drive a vehicle that can be remotely controlled.
I don’t want it either for the same reason as you but in this case it saved a life. Sadly the FSD has probably killed more people than its saved.
If the past 6 years have proven anything, it’s that it’s FOOLISH to rely on the government to keep us “Saaaaaaaaaaafe”, from the COVID hysteria to the summer 2023 fires in Hawaii to this story. And yet, there are people who STILL belieeeeeeeeeeve that government is there to keep us saaaaaaaaaafe.
Speaking of COVID hysteria, remember when vaccine passports and mandates for people to wear face diapers everywhere AND take an experimental COVID vaxx were also framed as “Saaaaaaaaaaafety”? We may never know just how many people’s lives were damaged or permanently ended by these “Saaaaaaaaaaafety” diktats.
At least no one can steal your laptop.
They don’t have to steal anyone’s laptop or device. It can merely be hacked, and often, without the user/owner even being aware of what just happened to them. No need for old fashioned pick pockets. Just hack on-line bank accounts. For theft and crime is now high tech.
The regulators are often former employees of the regulated entities, bribed directly by those entities they regulate or indirectly bribed by the promises of lucrative post-government jobs at the regulated entities.
This often leads to regulations being written for the benefit of the regulated, which can force higher prices on consumers and provide a barrier to entry for competitors who can’t afford to comply.
This is called regulatory capture and it’s why the whole rotten system needs to collapse of its rotting, corrupt weight.
“provide a barrier to entry for competitors who can’t afford to comply.”
yup, or refuse to do for their own reasons.
Three blatant examples of regulatory capture the past several years are the CDC, the FDA, and the FCC, though people have been propagandized to believe they’re looking out for “The public interest”.
Toss in the FAA as well.
‘The foolishness of people who rely on the government to keep them safe’ — eric
Consider the two-person crew of Fire Engine No. 1, preparing to cross Runway 4 at LaGuardia airport on Sunday night. The tower cleared them to cross the active runway … directly into the path of a landing Air Canada jet.
If you were crossing an active runway, would you at least look out the truck window to make sure an aircraft wasn’t bearing down on you — just as you’d certainly do before crossing a busy highway?
As for automotive door handles, mechanical latches have served for over a century. If it ain’t broke, etc. Sometimes one breaks, as happened on the passenger side of my Nissan Frontier. But the driver’s door has a separate and independent latch.
Not so with electrically controlled latches, where a glitch at the power source (battery) kills all functionality on all the door latches. FMEA (Failure Mode and Effects Analysis) would disclose a single point of failure for the electrical latches, which doesn’t exist with independent mechanical latches.
From an engineering point of view, electrical door latches are — to use some advanced technical jargon — FUBAR. Die, GM, die!
Govco trips on its own shoelaces:
‘The long TSA security lines at the airports are not just a hassle for travelers, they held up an investigator going to the scene of a deadly runway crash for hours until the National Transportation Safety Board intervened.
‘“We have DHS that is shut down, and we have long TSA lines,” NTSB chair Jennifer Homendy said. “Our air traffic control specialist, who was in line with TSA for three hours, until we called — in Houston — to beg, to see if we can get her through, so we can get her here. So it’s been a really big challenge to get the entire team here, and they’re still arriving as we speak.”
‘CNN correspondent Pete Muntean expressed shock at Homendy saying they had to “beg” to get their “key investigator,” an air traffic control specialist, through the security lines “after she was waiting there for three hours.”’
https://archive.ph/52cLK#selection-1233.0-1233.201
It’s a case of cascading, compounding stupidity. Mr Gorbachev, tear down this Soviet bureaucracy!
All car doors must include a mechanical release function for handles, except for the tailgate, according to details released by China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology on Monday.
Apparently the Chinese realize there’s a problem and are dealing with it. No word yet if any one has been sent to a labor camp or executed.
https://apnews.com/article/china-car-door-handles-ev-tesla-0c8a310e8d5b38804a725ec698c84f8f
“China is the first major automotive market to explicitly ban electrical pop-out and press-to-release hidden door handles,” analyst Chris Liu said. “While other regions have flagged safety concerns, China is the first to formalize this into a national safety standard.”
‘It’s likely that regulators in Europe and elsewhere will reference or align with China’s approach, Liu said. The new requirements would impact premium EVs more as retractable door handles “are treated as a design and aerodynamic statement,” he added.’ — APe News
China takes the lead in sensible safety regulation, while US regulators are either asleep at the wheel, or bribed by Elon. The US is not a serious country anymore.
I don’t want government to step in and regulate door handles. I want to buy what I want, then if something goes wrong, sue the makers of the defective device. No government needed.
Government is the greatest mass murderer.
The men and women.. the actual PEOPLE getting paid by ‘government’
..are murderers, thieves, liars and fools.
ALL high crimes and treason.
People have been conditioned, via GovCo schools, that GovCo is your Protector. It acts as an emotional support puppy AND a strong Sheep Dog to see that you face no threats.
It’s all BS.
However, people believe it because that’s Ms. Crabbapple, a GovCo lackey, told them in first grade. They think that GovCo has taken all risk out of life by “regulating” evil corporations who would just as soon kill you as have you as a customer. (The illogic of the last part is just accepted as so much of the cognitive dissonance that is cranked out today.)
I guess that’s why we see such a large portion of society chanting USA! USA! at any and all international sporting events. This troglodytic chanting is even seen in golf of all things as fans heckle international players during tournaments here in the Good Ol’ U.S. of A. The Ugly American, indeed.
Our GovCo is the bestest in all of history. This despite centuries of lies, destruction and bloodshed. And if you don’t see that then you’re an Islamo-fascist, baby killing* heathen.
*Don’t mention abortion because that’s a “Jewish value”. See link below…
https://wassermanschultz.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2891
If that is not Satan in a green dress in the lede photo on the linked website, then I don’t know Arkansaw.
Luckily the child in this instance survived a faulty design.
I never thought we’d need those rescue arrows that you see on aircraft but apparently I was wrong. Almost similar is that new cars only have one keyed door lock now so if your fob dies you’re dependent on a lock cylinder that may not have turned in years.
I hate to say it but if GovCo insists that it should regulate everything shouldn’t they regulate that door handles and locks still function in the event of a power failure? Funny how this wasn’t a problem twenty years ago. I read somewhere that China was banning flush mounted door handles.
if your fob dies you’re dependent on a lock cylinder that may not have turned in years
You know, that’s something I never thought of. Although my truck does have a fob, every door has a key cylinder and manual override. I’m going to lock and unlock my doors once a week with the key. Thanks.
The electric locks on my ’07 Ford Fusion have already failed – press the unlock button on the fob and it makes an unlock “click”, but no actual unlocking. I’m forced to use the key which they still supplied 20 years ago. I won’t mention the 99% plastic door handle I had to replace a couple years ago because it literally broke apart…in my hand.
My 03 Escape, early on back then, the Ford forums discussed handles and locks – several failures where the owner was just hitting the unlock button when their kid was yanking a door handle. Snap. Internally the mechanism just broke no door open for you! I’ve been careful all these years, unlock before anyone gets close to a door handle.
I let the minivan sit over the winter because it didn’t have proper tires. On Sunday I tried to start it, nope, dead battery. Wouldn’t even unlock the doors. Pop open the key and use the manual lock… that only exists on the driver’s door. All the other doors can only be unlocked from the inside. So what happens when someone t-bones you and the only way the fire department can get your unconscious butt out is through the passenger side? Add another broken window to the repair bill, or maybe a whole new door if they get out the jaws of life.
Really?
Never in one place have I seen so many lacking common sense and boasting of it. The other day it was some guy that couldn’t read a gas gauge properly and blew up an engine by not paying attention to an oil leak. Now it’s a guy that leaves car batteries connected and unused over the winter and expects a battery to still work. This on an automotive enthusiast site none the less.
In your imaginary scenario you’ve been T-boned, are unconscious, need emergency assistance, you’re going to take a very expensive ride in the meat wagon, and you’re worried that another door may be damaged?
shakin’ my head.
I used to think there was intelligent life here. Boy, was I mistaken.
You got what I was thinking. If the wreck was bad enough that doors don’t function then what are you trying to save by not breaking window glass?
Even if it’s laminated glass fire departments can get through it. It’s not new and untested ground here. They’ve been dealing with it in windshields and buildings (like hurricane or earthquake glass) forever.
In a car it’s pretty quick to go straight to the rescue tool and Ripper, which cuts automotive laminated glass like you’d do with scissors on paper. They’ll probably try the door first if it’s not obviously inoperable but they aren’t going to wait around or be gentle if there’s risk to life.
Let’s say I have a bit less faith in fire departments after watching this video:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWPniByklE6/
I get what you’re saying. I might only say to consider that ground vehicles on taxiways and runways can’t just ignore ground control instructions. The radio traffic suggest he did ask for and was given clearance. I’m also in no position to second guess what he could or could not see. It can be confusing at night to know what’s what. I’m also not too sure there was a full complement of firefighters in the cab so he may not have had a right seat set of eyes to look down the runway. Hate to armchair quarterback but I think this one is pretty much totally on the tower.
I heard the recording. ATC gave the truck clearance to cross at one point, but about 10 seconds later told the truck to stop, stop, stop. The firetruck driver should have treated the runway like a stop sign regardless of clearance. I learned on a motorcycle never to trust a greenlight at an intersection. Always assume someone is going to run the red, as your life depends on it. Likewise, they should always assume a plane is landing on the runway.
It’s not quite like traffic stops. They have short windows to move across an active runway. When the pattern is full at an airport like La Guardia the gaps aren’t long.
LGA does about 950 movements (a movement being either a takeoff or landing) per day, it’s a very busy airport. To make it even more complex their layout has their two runways are intersecting, so aircraft will be crossing each other on the runways as well as the taxiways.
If I was guessing the controller was not as accustomed to ground control as air traffic (they were doing apparently both that night, which is not typical) and didn’t anticipate the speed the fire apparatus or may have confused his position and intention. There could have been incorrect information given and the firetruck thought the plane was not moving as fast as he thought.
The firefighter wasn’t a random guy from a station either, he was trained to operate at the airport. Why he didn’t look or couldn’t see is unknown. It’s possible there was thus far unheard control for the taxiway or ramps that he couldn’t hold there or was responding (which if true should have prompted a pattern hold maybe).
Lots of speculation on incomplete information at this point.
Hi Winnie,
As mentioned in the article, Tesla and some emulators have laminated side glass that is difficult to shatter. It makes getting a person our that way much more challenging, especially when seconds count.
Here’s the ironic thing.
Automotive journalists like yourself have built careers out of complaining about noise in cars. Windnoise, road noise, and engine noise, noise from other cars.
Laminated side glass is much quieter and therefore the manufacturers started using it to quiet down the interior of the car.
At first it was largely in luxury vehicles. But journalists wanted to complain that even mid level and entry level cars weren’t quiet enough. So they laminated side glass moved down market to appease journalists and customers alike.
Now that you got what you wanted, you want to complain about the laminated glass.
Weird eh?
Hi Clover,
Don’t include me in that company. I never “complain about noise in cars. Windn oise, road noise, and engine noise, noise from other cars.”
I like noise.
Is lying just part of journalistic DNA?
“ and so much wind/road noise intruded into the cabin at highway speeds that you’d swear you were driving a ’69 MG.”
https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2011/08/23/retro-review-honda-s2000-cr/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
You cited to his review of a fucking convertible Honda S2000 from 2011?
Is being a manipulative moron part of Timmy’s DNA? Get a grip.
And, EP didn’t even complaint about the wind noise, you jackass. He simply noted it and glowingly stated:
“I still love the S2000. It’s no longer one of the quickest performance roadsters or sport compacts out there, but it is raw and fierce. . .It’s one for the ages. . .”
Tim,
You leave out the context – the rest of the review, that lauds the car’s visceral appeal. You had to dig back through 15 years (obsess much?) of reviews to find one line from something I wrote back in 2011 that you could quote out of context. The thing that astounds me is I have a body of work that encompasses 30-plus years and thousands of articles and hundreds of reviews plus two print books that laud the sounds and feels of cars with character. I am just now finishing up the conversion of my old – loud – muscle car to manual from automatic, in art because I love the audible whine of straight cut gears.
I have, in other words, established that I am not the type that complains about wind and road noise, as you dishonestly allege. I compared the S2000 favorably to the old MGs of the ’60s. And you have the audacity to speak of “intellectual dishonesty.”
I know, by the way, that you are “Mr. Some Bullshit” (and various other nom de plumes). You’re a little weasel who hides behind made-up names and various IPS addresses. Probably Mossad (I remember your “anti-Semitic” catcall; no one’s buying that, by the way).
You probably can’t turn a wrench, either.
Eric, this whole comment thread reminds me of how (let’s say, at work) you can do 99% of things perfectly. No one will remember any of that. They will consistently remember the 1% that you did wrong-or perceive by others was wrong. How sad…
Thanks, Shadow –
Any site that has open comments, as this one does, is going to get the occasional troll. They are always cowards who hide behind what they think are clever handles and who use multiple IP and email addresses so that they can bypass moderation queues and spam filters, which shows they have no respect for private property or civility – in addition to having no balls. I am a lot of things but one thing I am not is a weasel. It’s a shame the world is so full of them.
Even more sad, Eric, is that these same people vote. Not that voting means anything these days…
If the Democrats regain the House and/ or Senate this year, AND win the White House in 2028, it will be definitive proof that people haven’t learned anything from the COVID tyranny that the Democratic Party was ALL IN with, particularly under the Biden regime. However, there are people who STILL belieeeeeeeeeeve the narratives that the Democratic Party is “Looking out for the little guys and Republicans only look out for big business and the wealthy” despite MASSIVE evidence over the past 20 years that BOTH political parties aren’t looking out for anyone but themselves and powerful, wealthy interests.
Stick a fork in us if the Demon Rats get control over the House and Senate. Impeachment of Trump, gun control, open borders, amnesty for illegals, increased taxes…. take your pick as to which one they will implement first. On the other hand, one knows exactly what they are getting when voting for a Democrat. We can rip the band aid off fast with Democrats in control, or take it off slowly and just as painfully with the Republicons. What a choice…
Hi Shadow!
Yes. I’ve had enough of the false promises and the stabs in the back. As you say, with Democrats you know what you’ll be getting. With Republicans, you think you’ll be getting something else. It’s an important distinction. Trump has shit the bed – and we’re the ones who will get to sleep in it.
You had to dig back through 15 years
Nah – how about this one from 2026. Never is a strong word and the reality is that you have made a career of criticizing noise regardless of what you say to try to gaslight me. Somehow you just can’t admit that the auto makers took you seriously and now you just want to complain more about the laminated glass portion of the attempt to quiet things down in response to your critique.
“ The disadvantages are – chiefly – increased drivetrain noise, especially when you floor the accelerator pedal”
https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2026/01/24/2026-nissan-kicks/#:~:text=The%20Kicks%20has%20a%20new,with%20the%201.6%20liter%20engine.
Again out of context I’m sure.
Tim/”Mr Bullshit” –
“Gaslight” you? Hilarious! I’d just like to know your real name – who you are – but you’re obviously too afraid to reveal it.
You pore through all my reviews to come up with an aside about the noise of CVTs – which I have described as compliance transmissions for years – and use that as the basis for drawing some equivalence between myself and the effete car journalists who dislike cars and the sounds made by machinery.
Machinery I actually know how to work on – and do.
How about you?
PS: Since you are afraid to use your actual name, I have decided to use an appropriate name for you – Clover – henceforth. Because Clovers are all the same.
But, but, but, you’re noise-complaining adjacent. -Tim
Hey Tim, even if EP did complain about noise, is laminating the glass the only way to reduce noise? Does laminated glass necessarily follow when asking for a quiet car?
Look what Eric and his ilk made the poor victim car companies do!!!!!! Why, it’s Eric that nearly killed the toddler!!!!!