For Whom the Lithium Tolls

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Much of what ails us has been abstract for a long time. A new law is passed that we don’t like but the effects are .  .  . abstract and so easier to ignore. This is changing – has changed. We increasingly feel the effect of what’s being to us, even if it hasn’t actually directly affected us, yet.

But the closer it gets, the more we feel it coming for us.

Many of us, for instance, know someone who has been “adversely affected” by the drugs lately forced upon them. And yes, it is force when one is under duress. People were told they’d lose their jobs – which for many meant they stood to lose almost everything – if they refused to take the drugs. They were not “free to choose,” as some moral imbeciles have suggested.

I now know of someone who has been “adversely affected” by lithium-ion batteries, the power storage devices forced on all of us, including those of us who do not want and do not own an EV. And yes, all of us. Because all of us are paying for it in one way or another. Whether via fewer alternatives to EVs being available or via higher electricity costs as well as a number of other ways.

Such as the new risk of being burned to death in your sleep by a lithium-ion battery that spontaneously combusted while you were asleep.

This happened to a guy I know from my old neighborhood earlier this week. A friend – from the same neighborhood – called to let me know his house, which was very close to my old house, caught fire after a lithium-ion battery started a fire. The house was destroyed and the guy who was asleep inside never woke up. Rescued by paramedics, he died yesterday of burns and smoke inhalation.

This sort of thing is going to become more common as electric vehicles with fire-prone lithium-ion battery packs become more common. Some will say the risk is “slight.” I refer them to the fact that – already – more EVs have caught fire than Ford Pintos, of which millions were produced. Proportionately far fewer Pintos ever caught fire than EVs so far – yet Pintos were recalled.

And Pintos were not fundamentally defective.

They had a design defect.

The difference is really important – if you would rather not go up in smoke.

Early Pintos might catch fire if rear-ended because the impact could shear off the fuel filler neck (attached to the tank) and that might result in a fire, if there was a spark to ignite the gasoline – which generally won’t burn in the absence of one.

Note all the italics.

Gas is volatile but stable. It does not spontaneously combust. This is why a gas leak (as from a pinhole in the tank) is more a nuisance than a danger. Once Ford fixed the fuel-filler issue, the Pinto was much less likely to go up in smoke if it was rear ended.

Note the italics, again.

If the Pinto – even with the as-it-was-designed filler neck – wasn’t rear-ended (and rear-ended hard) there was almost no chance it would go up in smoke, even with the defective fuel filler neck  because it is almost impossible for a gas-engine car to spontaneously combust.

Lithium-ion batteries, on the other hand, do that – as a function of their design. It is an inherent problem rather than a manufacturing problem. Thousands of individual cells and all it takes is one of them to thermally run-away – or short-circuit – and trigger a chemical cascade that manifest as a very fast starting, very hot-burning and very hard-to-douse fire, once it starts.

This can happen when the device – whether it’s a cell phone or an electric car – isn’t being used (or driven) and is just sitting. It can also happen when the device is charging, especially using high voltage chargers but also standard 120V household current (the latter is the trigger for most house fires, when a circuit is overloaded or a wire is frayed).

The risk of spontaneous combustion in the context of lithium-ion EV batteries is both higher and greater because EVs are mobile fire traps and bigger fire traps. When 1,000-plus pounds of lithium-ion EV battery pack lights off, the conflagration the ensues is huge. If it happens in someone’s garage, it – and the house attached – are likely to go up in smoke, along with anyone inside. And if your house is next to that house, yours (and you) are, too.

Recall that bit mentioned earlier about all of us being put at risk by lithium-ion batteries.

It’s a fascinating thing, juxtaposed with the supposed concern for Our Safety the government is always prattling about.

But it’s also something else, in that the effects of these things are hitting closer and closer to home. This makes them a lot less abstract than they used to be and – awful as that is – it is also salutary in that we find ourselves, at last, in the position of being directly affected in ways that we dare not ignore.

In ways that cannot be ignored, anymore.

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46 COMMENTS

  1. Ask not for whom the lithium tolls. It tolls for Ford:

    ‘On Tuesday, Ford spokesperson Emma Bergg confirmed to Motor Authority that both a stop-build and an in-transit stop-ship order have been issued for the F-150 Lightning due to a potential battery issue.

    ‘The nature of the battery issue was not disclosed by the automaker. A stop-sale has not been issued and all F-150 Lightnings already built and at dealers are cleared for scheduled delivery.’

    https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1138766_ford-f-150-lightning-production-halted-due-to-potential-battery-issue

    Stop-build and stop-ship, but no stop-sale? And mum on what’s actually going on?

    Uhhh, no. I didn’t just fall off no turnip truck.

  2. Another realization is that EVeeeeees are never truly “off” until the battery is 100% dead, or it’s burned your house down.

    They are constantly running maintaining a myriad of electronic shit including heating the battery, “rebalancing” cells, getting the latest spyware and kill-me-now self driving updates from the mothership via tcpip using”wifi” or 4/5g….

    This just adds to the load of a rapidly depreciating asset which is expected to operate for 10 or more years in often very hostile environments.

  3. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/yes-environmentalists-want-to-take-your-car-away-just-slowly

    “Based on a study conducted at the University of California, Davis, Scientific American reported last month that even if every person were simply handed the cash to replace all existing gas-guzzlers with EVs, such a thing would still be impossible. For it would require three times as much lithium as the entire world produces each year just to maintain the fleet.”

  4. And for this reason, I would be very hesitant to even consider a hybrid like the Prius. To me, a lithium battery is a lithium battery, doesn’t matter if it’s in an EV or a hybrid.

  5. I just now charged up a few drone (quadcopter) batteries to be used later today. Maintaining lithium batteries is a process, no matter the exact chemistry. I always stick close by when charging. Most manufacturers recommend discharging down to no less than 20%, most seasoned pilots say stay above 30%. If storing batteries for more than a day or two, discharge to 30-50% capacity. Most drones carry a 4000-5000 mA hour battery, which weighs in at 300-500 g depending. This will provide about 25 minutes of effective flight time, with proper reserve margin. That’s a lot to keep track of, and for sure I don’t pay anwhere near that close attention when charging other electronics.

    Not the most effective way to power an aircraft, but it does make a simpler mechanism than an ICE and gearbox. There are a few companies building hybrid engine/generators with a battery for demand current but they’re not mass produced, mostly becase the need for very long duration flight isn’t here in the current regulatory enviroment. As “beyond visual line of sight” and cross country drone flights become more common I think we’ll see mass produced gasoline/lithium battery hybrid power plants on quads.

    • Hey ReadyK,

      “…I think we’ll see mass produced gasoline/lithium battery hybrid power plants on quads.”

      That could be pretty righteous. I used to fly the old nitromethane powered RC airplanes in my youth, and although they were fun, I do like the ease and lack of mess associated with battery powered drones. One did get strangely fond of the odor of nitromethane, however.

      • I saw a demo of one last fall that’s being marketed to first responders (which is pretty much every drone company’s target these days). Ran on 89 octane, 2 hours flight time on a quart of gasoline. Could power a 1000 W payload at 24 VDC.

    • Hi RK, I got a little drone, entry level, just to check it out. They are certainly fun and can get amazing pics.
      I was a little concerned over the battery issue and read in the manual that the batteries self discharge after 1 day to 96% and then after 5 days to 72%.
      I’m assuming this makes them ‘safer’ than not doing the self-discharge?

  6. When I have rental property again, I am going to prohibit electric vehicles from the garages and near the structures in the lease (probably 30 ft to be safe). I had a strict no smoking policy, which I was very clear about to potential renters, which seemed to keep smokers from leasing from me. Hopefully that would work with electric car owners as well (good way to avoid left wing renters too ha ha).

    • Id do the same if I had rental properties, since who wants them ruined by a douchebag who charged his Rolling Crematorium in my garage?

      No E-bikes either, and when I park places, I park FAAAAR away from anything electric. I still remember an ex of mine who’d basically wouldnt listen, she was a fangurl as basically it’d drive itself, and as an Asian, she gravitated towards tech, wonder when she’ll ruin her life with one?

  7. Here is a special bonus for ericpetersautos readers, courtesy of former Ford dealer Wolf Richter. Wolf is an astute economic commentator. But sadly, he’s also an EeeVee fanboi from Commiefornia.

    Wolf published a celebratory article titled “EV Sales Spiked in California. Share Hit 17%. ICE Vehicle Sales Plunged. First Uptick in Electricity Sales after 13 Years of Decline.” Unsurprisingly, he got some serious pushback — resulting in this emotionally overloaded cri de coeur:

    Dear readers,

    I disabled comments on this article due to BS overload on my prior EV article. That’s too bad, but I’d never encountered so much BS in such a short time. It was just stunning.

    Article after article, year after year, when “EV” was in the headline, EV deniers converged on the article and bombarded it with the same copy-and-paste BS, why EVs can never work and will never work, that they’re too heavy, to [sic] expensive, too toxic, to [sic] inefficient, that their range is only 20 miles when it gets cold, that they’re burning coal, that you can’t drive across the country with them every day, that the grid can never … and yada-yada-yada.

    EV articles bring out the worst and silliest comments in the history of mankind. As EVs have become more and more commonplace, EV deniers have become more and more desperate in their BS. But I’ve had it. I’m done.

    EVs are the biggest most exciting development in the US auto industry and US manufacturing in decades. They’re huge for jobs and technology. They’re huge money-making opportunities for electric utilities and power generators. Property developers are starting to incorporate charging infrastructure. EVs are huge for the oil industry and for gasoline retailers — but not in a good way. They’re a huge economic development all around.

    Comments on this article are closed due to BS overload on my prior EV article.

    ————

    “EeeVee deniers” — AH HA HA HA!

    Yep, that’s me, to a tee. 🙂

    I’m the wolf at your door, with bad intentions.

    • It’s funny how they NEVER even have adequate let alone good answers for all those things too. Just deny they are problems and call the questioners the denier….

      There is a youtube video claiming to put to bed six “myths” of electric cars, and then not do it….. Like really? Just calling them myths tells you all you need to know about the producer of the video.

    • Hi Jim,

      It’s interesting, isn’t it, that these Leftists – when challenged – always resort to calling those who challenge them “deniers.” The use of that term with its Holocaust Denier association is deliberate. They mean to first shame and them – if they can – criminalize those who dare to question them.

      • >Holocaust Denier
        Ah, yes, the “Grandperson” of all “Deniers.”
        No doubt, if you are skeptical of the “virtue” of EEEVEEs, you must be an Auntie Sea Mite Jew Hater and Adolph Hitler fanboi who roasts babies on bayonets for lunch *Every* *Fucken* *Day*.

        To which I reply:
        KMA, Mofos.
        What if I am only a “Non-binary Sea Mite,” and do not intend to tolerate your blatantly sexist nonsense?

    • Wolf Richter isn’t as smart as you give him credit for, unfortunately.

      His mind is muddled by his chosen living location, San Fransickso, CA.

      A pretty place to visit, a good place to be from, but not to live.

      His blind, debilitating devotion to EV’s is the most obvious sign of his afflictions.

      • He is competent on the specific subject of analyzing the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet, presenting with clarity what’s going on with QT (Quantitative Tightening).

        When it comes to EeeVees, though, he’s just another airhead leftist Kalifornicator who’s swallowed the Kool-Aid.

  8. New York Slimes dials the EeeVee agitprop up to 11, headlining the wonderful news that “Electric Vehicles Could Match Gasoline Cars on Price This Year.”

    Here’s the statist logic [sic], comrades:

    ‘The battery-powered Equinox crossover will start around $30,000 when it arrives this fall, GM has said. That is $3,400 more than the least expensive gasoline-fueled Equinox. But factoring in government incentives, the electric Equinox should be cheaper. Like all electric vehicles, the car will need less maintenance and the electricity to power it will cost less than the gasoline used by its combustion engine equivalent.’

    https://archive.ph/QNK6O#selection-499.0-499.474

    But wait, there’s more and better statist ‘logic’:

    ‘[Battery manufacturing] subsidies, part of the Inflation Reduction Act, could cut the cost of making electric vehicles by as much as $9,000. That break and the tax credits for buyers of electric cars could allow battery-powered vehicles to achieve price parity with gasoline cars as soon as this year, three to five years sooner than without incentives.

    As ol’ Gomer Pyle used to say, “Well, gaaaaahhhhh-leeeee!” Ain’t keystroke currency from Congress Clowns amazing!

    But we’re not done, folks. There’s something for everybody, even impoverished flyover people:

    ‘Used electric vehicle prices have fallen 17 percent since July, according to Recurrent, which tracks the used car market. Under the Inflation Reduction Act, used cars can also qualify for a tax credit of up to $4,000. That is important because most people buy used vehicles.’

    Rake in your government goodies now, comrades. But call your insurance agent first. Do you have adequate fire coverage? Sorry, no subsidy for that. But Social Security will contribute $255 toward your funeral if your EeeVee torches you. 🙂

    • The only way that electric cars will match gas cars in price is after the price of the gas car is driven up to the price of the electric car.

      There is no tech in the pipeline that will lower the price of electric. If there was we would know about it.

      • Indeed, the frequent claims of what percentage of the car market EVs will be in a few years NEVER refers to the overall failure of the car market. From 7% to 50% is easy when the car market falls by 80%.

  9. New York Slimes</i dials the EeeVee agitprop up to 11, headlining the wonderful news that “Electric Vehicles Could Match Gasoline Cars on Price This Year.”

    Here’s the statist logic [sic], comrades:

    ‘The battery-powered Equinox crossover will start around $30,000 when it arrives this fall, GM has said. That is $3,400 more than the least expensive gasoline-fueled Equinox. But factoring in government incentives, the electric Equinox should be cheaper. Like all electric vehicles, the car will need less maintenance and the electricity to power it will cost less than the gasoline used by its combustion engine equivalent.’

    https://archive.ph/QNK6O#selection-499.0-499.474

    But wait, there’s more and better statist ‘logic’:

    ‘[Battery manufacturing] subsidies, part of the Inflation Reduction Act, could cut the cost of making electric vehicles by as much as $9,000. That break and the tax credits for buyers of electric cars could allow battery-powered vehicles to achieve price parity with gasoline cars as soon as this year, three to five years sooner than without incentives.

    As ol’ Gomer Pyle used to say, “Well, gaaaaahhhhh-leeeee!” Ain’t keystroke currency from Congress Clowns amazing!

    But we’re not done, folks. There’s something for everybody, even impoverished flyover people:

    ‘Used electric vehicle prices have fallen 17 percent since July, according to Recurrent, which tracks the used car market. Under the Inflation Reduction Act, used cars can also qualify for a tax credit of up to $4,000. That is important because most people buy used vehicles.’

    Rake in your government goodies now, comrades. But call your insurance agent first. Do you have adequate fire coverage? Sorry, no subsidy for that. But Social Security will contribute $255 toward your funeral if your EeeVee torches you. 🙂

  10. Bureaucrats love enlarging any bureaucracy, whether it’s theirs or another’s. More Safety regulations makes that one bigger, more environmental regulations makes that one bigger, and so on. It is not hard to imagine that even though new “environmentally safe” technology is actually creating MORE injuries and death, bureaucrats are ok with that because it is yet another area that “needs” their regulation, oversight, and control.

    Thinking/acting rationally, in order to prevent undue harm or chaos, as WE do, is NOT what they do. Creating chaos in order to justify their own, otherwise unnecessary existence, IS what they know, and do.
    I have a dozen or more examples in my head, but DMV workers are a prime example. They will take any opportunity to tell you how YOU did something wrong, and how THAT makes it impossible for them to help you, rather than simply correcting a mistake made, and doing their job. They get off on being difficult, if only to assert that they are in control, right, wrong or otherwise. In fact, they will go to great lengths to tell you that they are the ONLY authority on the matter, then refuse to do anything to resolve the issue. There are just a great many people that get off being absolute pricks, because they can. Most of it is psychological, born out of a knowledge of being essentially unimportant, so they go to great lengths to “prove” otherwise. And yet, I didn’t see the first automobile quit running while DMV was shut down during Covid, not from expired plates, nor drivers’ license, etc. Reality will bear otu the fact that they are like the phone-sanitizers and middle managers in the “Hitch-Hiker’s Guide to the Galaxy”, totally and utterly unnecessary, and 100% convinced of just the opposite.

    • Amen, Graves!

      Hence my decision – acted on – to “opt out” of the DMV (and many other things, besides). I no longer renew what they like to style “my” registration. I put Farm tags on the truck and use Antique tags on the rest. Saves me money and hassle. They might “catch” me – but I have had the satisfaction of “getting away with it” for years. As you aptly state, these people are losers – the true “useless eaters.” And I tire of being expected to “help” feed them. Or deal with them, at all.

    • @ gtc

      Your comments make me want to borrow a line from Henry Ford. If honest & productive people knew & understood the points you just made “. . .for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

  11. I have 15kwh worth of lithium batteries a few feet from me. That said, they are LiFePO4 batteries, and their chemistry is inherently much safer than those which use cobalt.

    I don’t know why they keep manufacturing LiCoO batteries and the like. I guess the energy density is slightly higher, but they are dangerous as shit, as is discussed here. Also, most of the cobalt is mined in the Congo under horrible conditions.

    Cobalt is much better used as a catalyst in the Fischer-Tropsch process, which can be used to synthesize hydrocarbon fuels from biomass, which would be a “green” and “carbon neutral” source of gasoline and diesel, though this is never discussed by the so-called “environmentalists” because it’s clear their true goal is to separate us from our vehicles.

  12. Lucky that United Airlines flight had just taken off when some passenger’s laptop battery caught fire, the pilot was able to do a u-turn and land right away while the cabin was starting to fill up with poisonous fumes. Might have been a different story if it was at cruising altitude and far from an airport.
    The greenie climate hysterics around here want to make all the school buses electric; can’t wait to see the reaction to a few kids getting fried for the sake of “saving the planet”. Maybe it will be “worth it” to quote the evil bitch Madeline Albright, what’s half a million kids if they’re in the way of your agenda.

    • Germany ordered 56 electric buses for $30 million. they are now sidelined taken off the road. their range was half of what was said and in the winter with heat on and going up all the hills their range was 30% of what was advertised. but the green agenda will go on cause they will not stop until they are taken out

      In Paris………

      RATP has recalled 149 BlueBus electric buses that used to be in operation in Paris. The decision is due to safety reasons, following the recently-occurred fires of two vehicles
      RATP withdraws Bollorè electric buses
      “As this is the second fire on a electric bus in the same Bolloré Bluebus 5SE series in less than a month, RATP has decided, as a precautionary measure, in conjunction with Ile-de-France Mobilités, to temporarily withdraw the 149 electric buses in this series from operations

      https://www.sustainable-bus.com/news/ratp-recalls/

  13. Considering that many of our politicians get TONS of money from the pharmaceutical industry in the form of campaign donations for mandates, etc., how many of them also get money from the EV industry to implement mandates? If there’s one thing we’ve seen, it’s that Big Pharma gets big money if the government can MANDATE that people take their COVID jabs, and with these mandates for EVs, the government and the EV industry could potentially make BIG MONEY through mandates too, at the expense of the public. And those pushing such mandates claim at the same time that they HATE BILLIONAIRES. Well, in a way, they’re HELPING BILLIONAIRES make even MORE MONEY if they MANDATE things like EVs, COVID jabs, etc.

      • John,

        Another talking point was that we had a DUTY to get vaxxed for the “Greater Good”. What talking point do you suppose they’ll make for EVs, something like “You have a duty to get an EV for the ‘Good of Earf!”?

    • Monopolies are very dangerous…if you give one business a monopoly, it causes many problems…..monopolies are a marxist/communist concept….the exact opposite to a free open market…

      When monopolies appear it is guaranteed politicians were bribed to bring in the legislation enabling it…..

      Note: All non allopathic forms of health care have been banned….this is very dangerous….

      when you give one business a monopoly…big pharma using allopathic medicine……they can charge whatever they want…some drugs have 10,000% profit margins….or a minor surgery costs $30,000…….you end up with countries using 30% or more of their entire budgets for so called health care…..

      There should be a free open market for different types of health care…this would reduce costs enormously

      there used to be multiple different types of health care before the 1900’s people could use….

      All the leftist/globalists….. wef/who owned politicians talk about is how billions more dollars should be given to big pharma/ccp china…..they get huge kick backs for promoting this, so they love it….

      Most of the ingredients for drugs and in jec tions come from china…this just benefits china….anybody pushing this is a ccp shill…..

      What they call health care isn’t…..

      Poisonous drugs are NOT a cure for disease

      pharmacon = poison, pharmakeia = sorcery, witch craft, witches
      pharmaceutical = drugs made from petrochemicals (oil).

      what you think is modern, our allopathic medical system, big pharma, used worldwide thanks to rockefeller, is no better than medievel witch craft. it is more like astrology, their is no science involved…..they always reference science, but it is a huge lie there is no science behind it

      the modern allopathic medicine uses poisonous inj ec tions and drugs made from oil that gives people cancer, they can’t cure any chronic diseases,

      back in time to the late 1800s. John D. Rockefeller, the head of the Rockefeller family had just become very rich through extracting oil from the ground…. and he comes across the idea of using coal tar – a petroleum derivative – to make substances….drugs…. that affect the human mind, body and nervous system.

      these drugs are excellent at masking or stopping symptoms, but overall do not cure the underlying cause of a disease. they also cause cancer.

      The Flexner Report:
      How John D. Rockefeller Used the AMA to Take Over Western Medicine……note….flexner had no medical training.

      Licensing is the key….
      ultimately led Congress to declare the AMA (American Medical Association) the only body with the right to grant medical school licenses in the United States….and most of the G7….

      This suited Rockefeller perfectly – he then used the AMA to compel the Government to destroy the natural non allopathic competition, which it did through regulating medical schools.

      people have a very low awareness level of this problem…due to massive propaganda from big pharma and the government…brain washing works….

      • The last 3 years they screamed…sickness. disease, everyone will die….they relabeled mild flu as deathly bat germ disease….they said…the only cure is big pharma poison……we have to give 100’s of billions of dollars to big pharma….(supplied by china/ccp) today….big pharma and china made billions of dollars…so did the enablers of it in government…kickbacks…..

    • I would also question how much bribery they get from the chemical industry, which is using “climate change” as cover for the ongoing poisoning of the planet.

  14. The NHTSA cornered Ford into recalling the Pinto for about half as many fire deaths as Tesla caused.

    50 dead inside of burning Teslas….production number 3 million

    29 dead inside of burning Pintos……production number 3.2 million

    • I drove a late 70’s Pinto for years.

      Paid less than a Franklin for it.

      Knew, even then, that the Lying Media rigged the exploding gas tanks hogwash on Idiot box TV.

      But still drove it cautiously, as anyone with a small car, surrounded by big cars and trucks, should do for their own safety.

      Put over 90,000 miles on it, rebuilt the carburetor, broke timing belts and just replaced, non-interference engine, ran it low on tranny fluid and just filled with no long term problems. Coulda changed the oil in my sleep, I was so used to it. Lots of room inside the engine to work on it

      Water pump failed and blew the head gasket, sold it for over two Franklins to a racer dude.

      Still miss that lil’ Pinto Bean, and wish I still had it.

  15. Huge cover up of EV fires…..they are trying to push EV’s so they are hiding all the safety problems…

    From another site…..

    Just try talking to the city of toronto about EV fires…….6 have already burnt , the city of sudbury etc . Just because fire fighters , police ,insurance companies ,towing companies and media have gag orders to hide the dangers does not make them safer.

    At least you have 3 seconds to get out after the crash…lol
    If you have children strapped into car seats you won’t have time to remove them in an EV crash fire.

    Battery Cars and what you don’t yet know (quoting an engineer):

    As a retired motor industry multi-skilled engineer, consumer consultant to the public and manufacturers, , engine specialist repairer, expert witness for the Courts, I am very well connected. So none of this is guesswork.

    The most common accident is often regarded as the T-Bone collision. Where a vehicle is struck amidships on the “B” pillar, by a vehicle travelling perpendicular to the struck car. That’s why it’s called a “T-Bone” collision. The impact on a petrol and diesel car punches in the door/s, punches in the B pillar, often deforms the roof and….buckles the floor pan.

    In a battery car the main traction battery is usually under that floor. Impacting the battery in such a t-bone collision can fracture the traction battery casing, If the impact, (and bear in mind the battery car is MUCH heavier than an ICE car, so it does not want to be deflected by the side impact), fractures the traction battery AND exposes any Lithium that the battery is constructed from,

    NOTE: and its been raining, you may have as little as three seconds to evacuate the car, before it becomes a high temperature fireball.

    If you have kids in car seats in the back, or the impact deforms the passenger side door/s, you will not save anyone.

    There will be no post-accident “Cutting the roof off” to extract passengers.

    Crash testing? Crash Testing historically has frequently NOT shown up issues that happen in the real world. You are in effect sitting on top of what may be an 800 volt, mattress sized barbeque.

    ATTENTION: Far higher insurance rates coming for EV’s with their lithium fire bomb batteries…
    Insurers are becoming increasing aware of the financial disaster from such an accident, so will be preparing premiums on battery cars as necessary.

    this is another great way to stop mobility….EV fires and other safety issues will make insurance so expensive only the billionaires will drive……..

    Plus, minor accidents that in the past would have been fixed with a pair of doors, new B pillar, floor and roof repair etc, may now involve potential damage to the traction battery that often CANNOT BE SEEN, and the replacement of the battery also may mean that a repairable car becomes a financial catastrophe. they just scrap them…

    I’m not kidding. You’ll see.
    Battery cars have been chosen out of ignorance and the gullibility of car buyers putting faith in manufacturers that cannot be trusted.
    Actually it is being fueled by the billions of tax payers dollars being thrown at forcing EV’s into the market, a huge windfall for the money grabbers involved…….. NOTE: 80% of all key EV parts and batteries come from china, why are chinese products being pushed? bribed ccp controlled politicians?

    Lithium fire bomb batteries:

    a battery fire tragically killed two teens in 2018; though they survived the car crash but the teens were killed when the battery caught fire, burning to death in the wrecked vehicle…..you can’t get out

    Those deaths, despite occurring about four years ago, are relevant because the suit over their deaths just ended, with a Florida court finding Tesla at fault, as NBC News reported,

    The jury awarded $10.5 million in damages. It was not immediately clear how much of that amount Tesla will be required to pay based on the assignment of responsibility for the crash.

    https://genzconservative.com/yet-another-ev-flaw-exposed-tragedy-strikes-teens-when-their-tesla-battery-does-this-after-a-crash/

  16. Couple this with the decrease in volunteer fire fighters, which serve most of my area at least. Will EVs result in increased calls, further stressing what is left of fire departments, necessitating increased taxes to fund paid departments?

    If so, your more costly EV will increase your car insurance, house insurance, and taxes. All because we are being mandated into driving golf carts most don’t want or can’t afford.

    However, this is a benefit. Not to you, but to those who want you to own nothing and be happy.
    Own nothing= EVs are too dangerous to keep at your house, so you join a EV timeshare
    Be happy = you are saved from house fires caused by EVs

  17. I just did a search on “lithium battery fire” & there’s scads of recent news stories –house fires, car fires, an airplane fire, plus a garbage truck on fire. If we take the normal government over reaction / one size fits all approach, lithium batteries should be banned altogether. Only 2 or 3 died from jarts and the fedgov was quick to stamp them out, so to speak.

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