An interesting thing about some of the quickest new vehicles is how slow they are.
For instance, the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 392. It has the only V8 you can still get in a Wrangler. It’s the 6.4 liter (392 cubic inch) iteration of the 5.7 liter Hemi V8 that used to be available in numerous Jeep, Ram truck and Dodge vehicles. The 392 is one supercharger shy of being a Hellcat, but it’s still Hell on wheels, especially in the Wrangler Rubicon – which is a jacked-up 4×4 riding on 33-inch off-road knobbies. With 470 horsepower on tap, the Rubicon 392 can accelerate to 60 in 4.2 seconds and can run the quarter mile in the high 12 second range. It would be quicker than that if the thing’s speed limiter let it be. Since it doesn’t, the Jeep hits its electronically allowed top speed of just 100 MPH before it passes through the traps.
That makes it pretty slow even though it’s very fast.
An old Toyota Prius – not the current model but the notoriously slow model – could get to 120 MPH, if you had enough time to get there. I know because I got there. Just to see whether I could. The point is that while the Jeep would jump away from an old Prius when the red light goes green, the Prius would eventually catch up and pass the Jeep – which is kind of funny when you think about it some.
Another thing worth thinking about is that on the highway, at the now-normal 75-80 flow of traffic, the Jeep is operating at about 80-85 percent of its top speed capability. I’m givin’ er all she’s got, cap’n!Â
Another slow fast ride is the Ford F150 Raptor R, which is the ultra-performance iteration of Ford’s half-ton pickup. It is powered by the Shelby GT500 Mustang’s 5.2 liter supercharged V8 that makes 720 horsepower and 640 ft.-lbs. of torque. That’s enough horsepower (and torque) to move a nearly three-ton (5,710 lb.) half-ton pick-up from a dead stop to 60 in 3.6 seconds and through the quarter-mile in 12 seconds flat. But the top speed – electronically limited to 114 MPH – keeps it from going any faster. That means a 720 horsepower Raptor R would have a tough time getting away from a cop driving a V6-powered Charger cop car. Those cars can hit 130 – even though they have less than half the power that the Raptor R’s got.
You can thank the lawyers for this, by the way.
They looked at the liability issues that might arise as a result of selling to the general public lifted 4x4s that could – if they weren’t electronically speed limited – probably hit 150 MPH, at which point they’d likely go airborne due to the lift of all that air pushing up from underneath them. Even at 100, a lifted 4×4 is not what you’d call stable. Advances in suspension design have helped make lifted 4x4s feel less precarious when they’re moving fast, but it’s just a feeling. A sudden over-correction (because a dog ran into the road) and it’s a good chance it’ll be barrel-roll city. Also, the highest legal speed limit in the United States is 85 MPH and that’s only in a very few places. In most places it is 65-70. It would be easy meat for a Better Call Saul type to make a good case that Ford (and Jeep) were reckless and negligent selling steroidal 4x4s like the Wrangler 392 and the Raptor R to the general public, in the wake of a gory crash.
Lawn darts were taken off the market for less.
The GMC Hummer EV is a different kind of slow – though it is even faster. This thing packs 1,000 horsepower and can get to 60 in less than 3 seconds, but it also weighs (and this is not a typo) more than 9,000 pounds, chiefly due to its massive battery pack, which all by itself weighs as much as a ’70s VW Beetle did. It reaches its top speed – governed to 112 MPH – long before it reaches the end of the quarter mile but even if it GM didn’t limit the EV Hummer’s speed electronically, it wouldn’t go that much faster than its limited speed on account of its steamroller-esque weight. It is a little known thing about EVs as a class that while most are quick, they are mostly pretty slow – as far as top speed goes.
The Chevy Bolt, for instance, packs 200 horsepower – which (as a point of reference) is exactly the same factory rated horsepower touted by the 455 cubic inch (7.5 liter) V8 that was the highest-output engine you could get in a 1976 Pontiac Trans-Am, which (when so equipped) was the most powerful American performance car available in 1976. The Bolt and the ’76 TA with the 455 are neck-and-neck through the quarter mile, each posting a 15-something-second time through the traps. But the Bolt runs out of speed at 93 MPH, which the ’76 Trans-Am can reach in third. In fourth – and all out – a 1976 Trans-Am with the 455 and the four speed manual transmission could reach about 134 MPH at redline on the tach.
There are some EVs that are quick and fast, such as the Tesla S (which is limited to 155 MPH but can be “unlocked” to go faster than that) but I will tell you – having driven most of the EVs that are on the market – they start to feel not-so-fast once that initial burst of speed dissipates. This is because you have already past peak torque – and it’s torque that pushes you back in the seat. Horsepower keeps you going, but the going gets slower (usually) the faster you go because the faster you go, the more force is needed to push the weight through the wind.
The long and short of it is you could win a race against a 392 Wrangler or Raptor R or Hummer or Bolt in just about anything – if you keep your foot in it long enough.
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Me? 640 mph in a Boeing 747. A long time ago, before the government took all the fun out of flying.
A few years back, I road shotgun for 6 laps at the Daytona Speedway, with professional drivers.
Thr max speed was 195 or so, and weirdly enough, it really didn’t feel all that fast to me. Probably due to all the flying I’ve done over the decades, but it was still well worth it.
Perhaps it was the sensory overload, with no ear plugs, an open face motorcycle helmet, and no eye protection, but it simply seemed like i was on a oval runway!!!
It seemed like the straights were almost long enough to be able build enough speed to take off, but then you had to slow back down to maybe 150 or 160 for the left hand banks, while being physically slammed into the right side of the door from the centrifugal force of the turns, despite the 5 point harness that strapped me in.
Al in all it was great fun though, and I’d do it again in a heartbeat…but I’d bring earplugs and skydiving goggles next time…and I’d pay extra to be able to drive, too!!
Eric, You’re cracking me up…That lowly PT cruiser 4sp automatic of mine, no turbo, wheezy on acceleration, but tops out at 121 mph…my “dog” is ultimately faster than all those connected devices??? Wow, just wow. Talk w/you tomorrow.
Roger that, Bill!
Yup. Pretty sure I could get my ’02 Nissan Frontier – with 157 hp – to exceed 100 MPH, thus out-running the 1,000 hp Hummer EV..
My son has a Bolt, that top speed is max speed of the motor. There’s no removing that speed limiter. It’s a drawback for me since I have needed a higher speed than that to avoid a bad situation 3 times so far.
No massive top speed run for me. About the best I did was 7200rpm in 5th in my NA Miata…with a rear bumpdraft from an NB coming out of Nascar 4 at Daytona. Heckuva ride down the front straight.
On the street only ~110 in my NB Miata south Columbia, SC on a rough 2-lane section of US321…with the top down…
Top Speed in the US is all academic. When I’m in the United States (visiting from the Free Country of Mexico), even with all my Police Countermeasures, I seldom drive over 95MPH.
’67 Chevy II base 2-dr, 250 cu. in. straight 6, 3 on-the-tree
hit 117 on NYS Thruway. I ran it a few times in the 17’s in Pure Stock class at the dragstrip (Great Meadows, NJ). Modified with Offenhauser 4 bbl intake/Carter AFB and Muncie 4 speed swap, managed 129 on NYS Thruway.
’63 Stingray 327 Fuelie 4 speed, rated 375 (gross) HP, 3rd gear topped out at 95. I backed off at 135.
Only two times I’ve tested top speed:
1975 Dodge Dart Sport with a slant 6: 90 mph downhill
2005 Honda VTX 1300: 125 mph
While I was going 125 on the Honda, a sport bike passed me like I was standing still.
A coworker several years ago told me he got pulled over for speeding and he told the cop it was human nature to want to go fast. Didn’t get a ticket.
Hi Philo,
My personal best is 170-something on a sport bike. The world narrows to a razor’s edge. It’s a drug. A dangerous one!
I bet it is. I don’t trust myself to do that, not these days anyway. Maybe I would have done it when I was young and invincible, luckily I didn’t have the means.
I did ride passenger at 160 mph in a NASCAR around Texas Motor Speedway. A gift from my wife.
Tough issue.
And I am no stranger to danger. 167mpg max speed for this body, and yes it was scary as hell wondering if your mechanic put the valve keepers in right on the daytona high banks on a motorcycle.
On older pickups, past 80 got very sketchy. Not now, but as you said, could be catastrophic in the wrong hands.
Maybe the answer is, if you want the limiter removed, you can, but ‘sign here please’.
Dodge does that with a special key in the Hellcat that unlocks the lawyer limits.
To be honest the idea of a 392 in a 4×4 is kind of silly even without liability. You can never really open one up without lowering them and using sway bars the size of your arm. Essentially making them a car but still with the higher center of mass.
You end up then having no articulation or needing complex disconnects to use for their actual purpose off highway.
Then when you’re off pavement you have low range transfer case that will double or triple your torque using gearing such that even the most anemic 80 HP flat head in a CJ2A will have enough torque to candy cane a driveshaft.
The sweet spot always seemed to me a stroker. Plenty of power to be comfortable on the highway and a nice low RPM torque curve off road. You rarely need high RPM and when you do it doesn’t need to be sustained.
The 3G network sunset was a blessing in disguise as my car is no longer connected to the mothership. It still has 4G connectivity for the Nav. and Sat. radio has it’s own thing. Then there is the Rat in your pocket. fly naked.
I kind of remember that it almost went broke. Imagaine that. I bet if it had no speed limit, I bet people would travel to Austin to Marvel at it.
I have driven the road. It is built only to a slightly higher standard that most Texas highways.
I bet that you could boost the limit on most West Texas highways to 85 and people would do about the same.
And just like that, I find out my 70s CB750 that tops all out at about 125 can once again speed away from performance vehicles.
At one of my recent jobs, we spent one afternoon running a rental Chevy Sparq up to 110 to certify some highway equipment which my employer manufactured.
Getting the vehicle up to that speed wasn’t the problem. Stopping before it hit the end of our test range asphalt was the problem.
Professional driver. Kids, don’t try that at home.
Ironically, we weren’t far from SH 130, but the competition supplied the hardware for that road.
Highest speed limit in the US is 85 mph, on Texas Hwy 130 outside Austin. But an 80 mph speed limit on Interstate highways is common through the west.
SH 130 is a toll road so the 85 MPH speed limit is one of the incentives.
The road was a financial wipeout for the owners until Elon built the Tesla factory near the airport.
Limiting top speed? Why not do an “over the air update” and reduce that to, say, 20mph? Or, 0mph?
Anything you own that’s “electronically controlled” can probably very easily be controlled by someone other than you.
Where is the exit from this house of mirrors?
Amen, Mark!
I hope more people connect the dots – before it’s too late to connect the dots.
Thanks to GPS and the built-in map database, the cruise control in newer BMW models will not ‘Set’ at a speed higher than the posted local limit.
You can use the ‘+’ button to increase the number manually but for how long.
Wow! add that to the list of questions when buying a new car.