Joe Biden says he “doesn’t know” about the self-defense value of guns

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Kurt Nimmo
March 31, 2012

Vice president Joe Biden told CBS News Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law will become a subject of debate following the Trayvon Martin shooting.

“It’s important that people be put in a position where their Second Amendment rights are protected, but that they also don’t, as a consequence of the laws, unintendedly put themselves in harm’s way,” Biden told Bob Schieffer in an interview that will air on “Face the Nation” on Sunday.

Biden told CBS it is questionable if firearms allow people to protect themselves. “The idea that there’s this overwhelming additional security in the ownership and carrying concealed and deadly weapons… I think it’s the premise, not the constitutional right, but the premise that it makes people safer is one that I’m not so sure of,” Biden said.

According to Gun Owners of America, firearms are used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. “Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year — or about 6,850 times a day,” a GOA factsheet notes. “This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives.” In the vast majority of cases, brandishing a firearm prevented an attack of crime, the statistics reveal.

Forty three state constitutions contain specific references to the citizen right of self-defense. In addition, seven other states protect the right to self-defense statutorily.

Police cannot protect the public against violent crime and have repeatedly stated it is not their job to do so. Police response to emergencies has actually increased over the last decade.

Prior to the mid-1800s, individuals were responsible for their own protection and were legally required to pursue and attempt to apprehend criminals. “The notion of a police force in those days was abhorrent in England and America, where liberals viewed it as a form of the dreaded ‘standing army,’” writes Peter Kasler.

In making his anti-gun argument, Biden ignored Supreme Court rulings made in 2008 and 2010. In the District of Columbia v. Heller ruling made in 2008, the Court held that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm and the Second Amendment affirms the individual right to use firearms for traditionally lawful purposes, including self-defense.

Biden favors more gun control laws, including closing the so-called “gun show loophole.” The National Rifle Association gave him an “F” for his gun control voting record when he was a Senator.


  1. I propose a “teaching moment” for uncle Joe: Let’s have his Secret Service detail give up their concealed weapons for a few days.

    The more you know, right?

    • It’s incredible, isn’t it? This prick lives in a protective envelope worthy of the Wolf’s Lair. He’s surrounded by armed bodyguards at all times when he goes anywhere outside the heavily fortified Wolf’s Lair. But he doesn’t “see a need” for weapons as a means of self-defense.

      For you and me, that is.

      These people are beyond contemptible. The worst part is, they’re not even particularly bright. Just assholes who’ve wheedled themselves into positions of power.

      I’d like to put every Clover beneath a Saturn V rocket and then light ‘er off.

      • They’re the same as the jerks who ran for class president in High School, but they went to private school.

        Yet a minority of the population (51% of the 40% or so of people who vote) keep electing them. I don’t hold out much hope until people stop voting for the guy they think can win, and instead vote for the guy they actually want in office.

        • The American proletariat has been increasing in size markedly over the past 40 or so years – and that is one of the largest obstacles (and dangers) facing the remnant trying to hold the line. These people cannot be reasoned with – they just want. And they want to take it from you (and me) by any means necessary. You could see examples of them standing outside the Supreme Court last week. They fervently – violently – believe that “health care” is their natural right. What else do you suppose these creatures believe they have a right to?

          They are exactly the same as mobs in St. Petersburg 100 years ago… and the result may end up being very much the same.

          • And there’s no reasoning either. I tried to point out that one doesn’t have the right to someone else’s labor (which at the end of the day is what health care is, someone laboring on your behalf), because of the 13th amendment.

            As it is now, someone has agreed to pay the fee for service that is a doctor visit. If health care becomes a right, you won’t have to pay (you don’t have to pay for your right to assembly, or your right to free speech), so it becomes slavery. Doctors will be owned by the state.

        • Honestly – these people (government Clovers; Clovers in general) generate within me a contempt so bleak and severe that I can’t summon any human feeling for them at all. Because I have a huge problem with bullies – and that’s what Clovers are, ultimately. I’ve never been able to understand the sort of person who isn’t willing to leave others be – to just do his thing and let others do their thing without being hassled (or worse).

          Now, if someone causes harm, then ok – they deserve to be interfered with. I get that – I approve of that. But otherwise? For reasons such as “their own good” (as someone else defines that) or on account of “safety” (as defined by someone else) or “for society” (that is, for the benefit of someone else)? Hell no! I realize that makes me – and the few others here who agree – out of step with the current collectivist We – but I take that as compliment. I want no one’s blood on my hands; I recoil from the idea of imposing my views/values/judgments on others – and I demand others extend the same courtesy to me and to every other peaceful, minding-our-own-bidness person!


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