January 7th, 2013
Talk show host and info warrior Alex Jones faced off with CNN’s Piers Morgan Monday night in an exchange sure to further inflame the debate about gun rights in America. Jones, who recently backed a petition calling for the deportation of foreign resident Morgan for his subversion of the U.S. Constitution and the Second Amendment, warned Morgan of the dangers of globalism and tyrannical control of the world’s population should the American people be disarmed.
In a firey debate in which Jones explains his backing of the petition, cites foreign and domestic violent crime statistics, and recollects the horrific impact of governments that have forcibly collected guns from their citizenry in the past, Jones chillingly warns Morgan and other proponents of gun bans and confiscation that should they attempt to move forward with such action, “1776 will commence again.”
Morgan: Why do people need them [semi-automatic weapons]?
Jones: They need them to protect us from the number one killer in history. Government in the 20th century. A university study out of Hawaii [shows government] killed 292 million people.
It’s called democide. Google it, folks.
Morgan: Should everyone in America, therefore, have an AR-15 if they want one?
Jones: Yes. Yes. Statistically, where there’s more guns there’s lower crime. The highest crime is in Bloomberg controlled areas [where there are strict gun control laws].
Morgan: Your belief, unless I’m wrong, under the Second Amendment, your real concern is that you will be overrun by a tyrannical regime, either from somewhere else or your own government.
Jones: Look at Mexico. Total gun ban for the citizens. Highest crime rate in the world. 57,000 people dead in the last five years. Total gun ban for the citizens. Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world, your country (England) has the highest.
We did it as a way to bring attention to the fact that we have all of these foreigners, and the Russian government, the official Chinese government — Mao said political power goes out of the barrel of a gun, he killed about 80 million people because he’s the only guy who had the guns — so we did it to point out that this is globalism, and the mega banks that control the planet and brag they have taken over — in Bloomberg, AP, Reuters, you name it — brag that they’re going to get our guns as well.
They’ve taken everybody’s guns, but the Swiss and the American people and when they get our guns, they can have their world tyranny while the government buys 1.6 billion bullets, armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, predator drones, armed now in U.S. skies, being used to arrest people in North Dakota.
The Second Amendment isn’t there for duck hunting. It’s there to protect us from tyrannical government and street thugs.
Take the woman in india, your piece earlier on CNN earlier, I was watching during Anderson Cooper’s show, didn’t tell you the women of India have signed giant petitions to get firearms because the police can’t and won’t protect them.
Te answer is — wait a minute, I have FBI crime statistics that come out of a year late, 2011, 20-plus percent crime drop in the last nine years, real violent crime because more guns means less crime. Britain took the guns 15, 16 years ago. Tripling of your overall violent crime. True, we have a higher gun violence level, but overall, muggings, stabbing, deaths — those men raped that woman to India to death with an iron rod 4 feet long. You can’t ban the iron rods. The guns, the iron rods, Piers, didn’t do it, the tyrants did it.
Hitler took the guns Stalin took the guns, Mao took the guns, Fidel Castro took the guns, Hugo Chavez took the guns, and I’m here to tell you, 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms!
It doesn’t matter how many lemmings you get out there in the street begging for them to have their guns taken.
We will not relinquish them. Do you understand?
Watch Alex Jones with Piers Morgan Part 1 of 2:
Part 2 of 2:
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You 2nd Amendment gun lovers need to be a little more mature and tactical about your responses – guys like this do nothing for the cause. For the record – I am a gun user and owner and like 1000000’s of others, am more than happy to register my guns, prove I can use them and prove they are stored in a safe environment if it means that just 1 x Sandy Hook is avoided. I am also more than happy with using limited shot magazines. If I can’t get my target with 5 x shots, I have bigger problems……
– Neversaidnever, Los Angeles, 11/1/2013 7:39
I feel as strongly about my rights as this man, but to threaten to start killing people is not right. Help yourself, legitimate gun owners. Continue to prove that you are law abiding, respectful citizens. And help the rest of the nation finally understand that the mentally sick and thugs are the ones doing the killing. The gun in my closet isn’t going around killing anyone.
– NesserFace, Vancouver,WA, 11/1/2013 7:48
For all of the normal gun lovers in America I apologize for these sociopaths.
– Helen, Rohnert Park, CA United States, 11/1/2013 8:08
James, you’re not doing your cause any favours by threatening to kill people you big giant idiot.
– doodlebug, Auckland, New Zealand, 11/1/2013 10:01
I agree also with those who say that this incredibly misguided man is really hurting his own cause. I have several friends who hunt and keep guns, and they are the the kind of responsible examples that all gun owners should model themselves after. gun owners: if you want to keep your guns, prove your responsibility; be the shining, law abiding examples you claim you are. this guy is dangerous, not only to others by threatening to kill innocent people but to your own cause.
– anglophile7, rego park, ny, us, 11/1/2013 8:14
Well, if he’s not a poster child for gun control then I don’t know what is.
– California, US, 11/1/2013 8:56
And yet another gun advocate demonstrates exactly the reason why he should not be allowed access to guns. In related news an FBI agent was accidentally shot while on a police gun training course in Oklahoma. Trained professionals manage to accidentally shoot each other yet the NRA wants to arm school teachers?
– Grasshopper Farmer, Sandburrville, 11/1/2013 7:39
Can I just add that I personally would feel much safer walking the streets of london if I was permitted by law to carry a firearm and everyone knew that ANYONE (they would otherwise think of victimizing) might be carrying. I can guarantee that street crime and random acts of violence would decrease. I’m not saying that I want an AK-47 but a revolver at my side would surely make people think twice. RED ARROWS INCOMING!
– Hug a mugger, London, 11/1/2013 7:51
Yet another potential poster boy for why we need to really control who is allowed guns.
– NCal Dave, USA, 11/1/2013 9:32
The 2nd amendment is to protect the first and fifth. We are ruled by Tyrants, hopefully America will keep their guns and freedom.
– Philmachine, Sussex, 11/1/2013 10:29
Don’t you just love this one guy?
As he puts it:
I am a gun user and owner and like 1000000′s of others, am more than happy to register my guns, prove I can use them and prove they are stored in a safe environment if it means that just 1 x Sandy Hook is avoided. I am also more than happy with using limited shot magazines. If I can’t get my target with 5 x shots, I have bigger problems……
– Neversaidnever, Los Angeles, 11/1/2013 7:39
Yeah, right. “I’m happy to bend over and hand you the vaseline.”
I see why he calls himself “Neversaidnever.”
On the subject of AKs, just bear in mind that due to 922r restrictions on imported semiauto weapons, most of the AK variants (cheaper ones like Romanian, Yugoslavian, Czech, etc) have had to be cobbled together by importers with a minimum number of U.S. made parts that, in some cases, have been machined to fit each individual rifle. Century Arms is famous for doing this, especially with creative grinding to get the bolts’ headspacing correct on their imported CETME rifles (predecessor to the HK91). I have first-hand experience with that one.
A friend of mine bought two Romanian AKs a while back, both built by Century. One worked perfectly, but the other kept jamming. Because of that, we found out if swapped between the two rifles, the bolts wouldn’t unlock.
With an AR variant, at least you can get new parts that have a much better chance of having been machined to the same spec as your rifle.
I’m not saying you can’t get a decent AK-pattern rifle or HK91 clone, but the old saying of “you get what you pay for” definitely applies. Imported rifles, when everything is fitted properly, will run rock-solid all day long, but straight out of the box, they may need some “debugging”. The CETME I have from Century runs like a champ, but it was debugged by its previous owner and was finally fixed up right after two trips back to Century. Of the AKs I mentioned above, one I would not hesitate to bet my life on it, the other I’d be hesitant to use it to prop open a door.
I will admit that the Century/CETME HK91 clones may have been crap, but the PTR’s are built entirely here and the machining is top-notch.
In that weird dream I had where a friend had an original HK91 and a PTR91, he could swap bolt parts and bolt carriers at will and they worked.
Morgan kept trying to push the focus back to the type of weapon used in the most sensationalized mass shootings. That very same weapon was used in this incident and it seems that he did indeed need a 30-round magazine to fight off three heavily-armed burglars: http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/crime-courts/2012-08-09/north-augusta-gun-shop-owner-kills-suspected-burglar-injures-two-others
However let this be a lesson–when you absolutely, positively got to kill every last motherfucker in the room–AK 47. Accept no substitutes.
The 7.62 round–best yet, the 7.62×51 (308 Winchester, longer than the AK-47 7.62×39)–hits much harder than 5.56.
Why didn’t he just use a shotgun in such close quarters?
An AK is on my list.
Though I don’t have much experience with it – or the AR – I am drawn to the (in my mind) superior characteristics of the AK:
Much less expensive, yet less finicky and more reliable in less than ideal situations/conditions.
The universal gun. Like the universal Japanese motorcycle of the ’70s. They are everywhere – and so are parts and ammo.
If you’re going to get more than one center fire long gun, an AK is a very good bet.
As you say, it’s a universally available gun in a universally available caliber. Lots of parts availability. Lots of military surplus ammo available cheaply.
For a SHTF scenario, you want the most popular calibers of all, to ensure availability. You don’t want to get stuck with exotic wildcat calibers.
If you’re going to get only one center fire long gun, and live in North America, I would get a 7.62×51 NATO/.308 Winchester chambered rifle.
Also, you want to do your own reloading if you don’t already. Even before the SHTF. It’s so much more affordable to shoot that way. And for anyone who knows cars, reloading is a no brainer. Far easier than car maintenance.
Basically I would be sure first to cover all the bases with the most popular, most widely available calibers.
Begin with .22 LR, 9mm Parabellum, .38 Special/.357 Magnum, .45 ACP, 5.56×45 NATO/.223 Remington, 7.62×51 NATO, 12 Gauge shotgun.
I would buy tons of .22 LR ammo. Even if you don’t use it, you can trade with it. It will become like junk silver coins. It lasts for decades.
The battle rifle is the “queen of war”, the great equalizer.
I’m with Bevin; get the 7.62×51 NATO/.308 Winchester. They’re essentially the same, and most military rifles of that caliber will gladly fire either round. Note that hunting rifles may NOT be happy with the NATO round if they’re strictly for .308; there’s some difference in brass thickness and maximum pressure developed.
My favorite battle rifle is the HK91; you can get a clone that’s better than the original, the PTR91, made right here in ‘Murrika. The chief advantage of this rifle is its “delayed blowback” design; there’s no fussy gas system operating pistons to cycle the next round in, it uses the recoil to operate the bolt. Deadly accurate and dead reliable; in South Africa they call them “Kaffir-proof”. Its only disadvantage is being a little heavy; not as bad as the AK though. Don’t ask me how I know which is better, I just dreamed I heard it from a friend who dreamed it too. They’re also not completely sold out yet–contact CDNN investments in Abilene, good’ol Texas.
Next would be the FN-FAL, also 7.62×51. It uses a gas piston design very similar to the AK-47. A wonderful rifle, and common also.
The AR-10 is just an AR-15 chambered for 7.62×51. Not as widely available as the AR-15…I don’t know how many there are relative to the HK91 and the FN-FAL, can anyone comment? AR-10’s are great rifles…maybe not as reliable as the FN-FAL and certainly not the HK91.
My LAST choice in 30 caliber (7.62) would be the AK-47. It’s very accurate–whereas the 7.62×51 is absolutely deadly well past 500 yards. It’s also a very heavy gun, and built like shit. The shorter 7.62×39 cartridge fires only about 2200fps, whereas the x51 gets 2600-2800fps…a lot more energy. Its chief advantage is being really cheap, cheap ammo, and widely available.
The AR-15 platform is ubiquitous here…parts will be everywhere. The ammo is cheap. And within decent range, it’s quite deadly. Not because it’s not accurate–it is–but the 5.56 NATO round is designed to yaw and fragment…as long as velocity is sufficient. It produces dramatic wounds–BUT as we saw in that gunshop shoot-out, it’s not guaranteed. AR’s are super-light–really a pleasure to carry around. The recoil is so light it’s easy to get multiple rounds on target; when using open sights, I shoot better groups with the AR than with 7.62 rifles.
Pistols? Three choices: Glock, Glock, or if you’re not certain of those, Glock. The 19 in 9mm is ubiquitous but they’re all really popular. I’m partial to the more concealable 27 in 40 S&W; a stronger cartridge.
Whoops meant to say the AK “is [not] very accurate”
Sheer volume of firepower over accuracy. House to house urban combat. In either case I’d get whatever is available in mass quantities over any specialty weapon.
Dear Eric, meth,
The 7.62×51 NATO/.308 Winchester is such a great round.
It’s basically a short action version of the trusty long action .30-06 Springfield round.
The Marine vets here on this forum know better than anyone how good the round is. Marine Corps snipers use it as their standard round, usually in Remington 700 bolt actions variants known as the M40.
If I were buying a bolt action sniper rifle in 7.62×51 today, I would be tempted to get one of the Savage Model 10 Law Enforcement Series rifles.
If you want light weight and are not afraid of higher recoil, the ultralight Savage Scout Rifle is worth considering. It’s so short it’s actually a carbine.
If you’re getting only one rifle, a semi-auto might be better in the event of multiple assailants. Of course, one can also rely on a good semi-auto pistol to fend off multiple attackers at closer range.
I’m a Colt 1911 afficionado myself. But I also like the Glock. In .45 ACP of course!
Email I received today:
The White House
When Discussing the Second Amendment, Keep the First in Mind Too
By Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary
Thank you for participating in We the People to speak out on an issue that matters to you.
Let’s not let arguments over the Constitution’s Second Amendment violate the spirit of its First. President Obama believes that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. However, the Constitution not only guarantees an individual right to bear arms, but also enshrines the freedom of speech and the freedom of the press — fundamental principles that are essential to our democracy. Americans may disagree on matters of public policy and express those disagreements vigorously, but no one should be punished by the government simply because he or she expressed a view on the Second Amendment — or any other matter of public concern.
We recognize that the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, sparked an intense, and at times emotional, national conversation about the steps we can take as a country to reduce gun violence. In fact, your petition is one of many on the issue, and President Obama personally responded by sharing his views on this important issue.
In a recent press conference, President Obama also addressed the Second Amendment and the important perspective that law-abiding gun owners bring to the public conversation on this issue:
Look, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. This country has a strong tradition of gun ownership that’s been handed down from generation to generation. Obviously across the country there are regional differences. There are differences between how people feel in urban areas and rural areas. And the fact is the vast majority of gun owners in America are responsible — they buy their guns legally and they use them safely, whether for hunting or sport shooting, collection or protection.
But you know what, I am also betting that the majority — the vast majority — of responsible, law-abiding gun owners would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from buying a weapon of war. I’m willing to bet that they don’t think that using a gun and using common sense are incompatible ideas — that an unbalanced man shouldn’t be able to get his hands on a military-style assault rifle so easily; that in this age of technology, we should be able to check someone’s criminal records before he or she can check out at a gun show; that if we work harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Newtown — or any of the lesser-known tragedies that visit small towns and big cities all across America every day.
Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.
My God I thought Clinton was a good liar.
They cheated him back into office this time around; Bev Harris swears it.
And they HAD to; they’ve never had a more effective puppet.
If they push through an executive order banning–or even registering–the guns, it will be civil war.
I really hoped it wouldn’t come to this.
Guys–as painful as it is, and probably futile, let’s at least phone-bomb our “representatives” and stop this thing!
It’s a done deal. The administration is going to do something and we ain’t going to like it.
Hi dom. I surely will not like whatever action the Fuehrer takes, but there is one thing I will enjoy watching: the reaction of the “conservatives” who thought it was great when Bush exceeded his Constitutional authority, but who think it’s awful that Obama would do exactly the same thing. Hypocrisy in action has at least some entertainment value.
I have to admit to a certain schadenfreude here… watching the Chimp lovers get their just desserts. It may even get a few of them to thinking.
There is no way Morgan believes the shit coming from his mouth. I wondering how much money they pay him to say it? Jones owned him!
For Morgan it was not a debate.
It was a rout, a “chaotic and disorderly retreat or withdrawal of troops from a battlefield, resulting in the victory of the opposing party.”
Also, I loved the way Jones used the opportunity to plug “Infowars dot com! Infowars dot com!”
I think he does believe it. Rather, he believes it incredible that any of the hoi polloi (that’s us) are allowed to possess arms. He is a type. Of a piece with Feinstein, Bloomberg, Obama, et al. These people regard themselves as responsible, competent – possessed of superior wisdom – and by dint of this, entitled to rule over us. And more, that we should accept this as the natural order of things.
The hilarious thing, though, is that these “elites” are almost to a man (and woman) misfits and mediocrities who themselves cannot do anything real. They are Talkers and Paper-Pushers. Manipulators and shysters. You will rarely, if ever, find one such with any hard science knowledge or even practical capabilities. I’d bet you none of the aforesaid would even begin to know how to replace a wall electrical outlet or change the oil in a car. Such lowly jobs are for the untermenschen. But what they don’t realize is just how fundamentally helpless they are.
Take away their power – their praetorians – and what are they?
A bunch of man-titted flabby failures who’d be dead of starvation in a month if they had to fend for themselves.
Ha! Nice Eric, and so true. I’ve thought about this many times. How the misfits of society end up in power.
And all one need do is listen to someone like Nancy Pelosi speak and you realize there’s nothing under the hood.
God Eric that just nails it!
I watched–painfully, after a heavy double cocktail–the “discussion” between Morgan and that Woody-Allen-esque caricature Derschowitz afterward.
There’s nothing to those men–and I use the term “men” purely as a gender indicator…and even that’s in doubt. Actually that’s insulting to women, I know plenty of women stronger…and keeping them in the class “human” is degrading to all the rest.
You nailed it; they can’t DO anything. They’re feeble incompetents at LIFE.
From my earliest memories, I took pride in what I could do, and what I knew–usually learned from the doing.
Meanwhile, I remember the bullies I battled in gradeschool; and later, the smarmy-mouthed kids who ran for hall monitor, or “class president”. It was all they knew; smiling that slimy reptilian smile of the sociopath, not yet well enough learned to pass as genuine. Back-slapping and back-stabbing.
Cut a piece of wood? Change oil? Shoot a tight group? Clean the gun? Jesus, how about just write your own term paper?
None of it. Because they’re non-entities. And worse yet, they’re psychological vampires.
The encouraging thing is–they’re WEAK.
We just have to get used to charging them, confronting them, defying them again–just like Alex Jones did.
As the old saw goes, “There are two types of people in the world… ”
There are the 96 to 98 percent who are first handers, who survive by directly harnessing nature through their honest effort.
Then there are the 2 to 4 percent who are second handers, who survive indirectly, by putting harnesses on the 96 to 98 percent who harness nature through their honest effort.
They get away with it, only because we let them get away with it. If only we would wake up, and take the red pill, they could no longer get away with it.
Example: the Warsaw Pact governments in the early 90s
Great School Sucks podcast that discusses how government (and their baby corporations) attract psychopaths:
165: The Essential Ingredients of A Psychopathic Society
“Every meaningful change starts with awareness. In our culture, we not only praise psychopaths in the highest positions of power, but in many cases, they became our role models. Challenge your beliefs! We have delved into the world of psychopaths and heroes and revealed something crucial about us.” – I Am Fishead, documentary film
The Lion thought it might be as well to frighten the Wizard, so he gave a large, loud roar, which was so fierce and dreadful that Toto jumped away from him in alarm and tipped over the screen that stood in a corner. As it fell with a crash they looked that way, and the next moment all of them were filled with wonder. For they saw, standing in just the spot the screen had hidden, a little old man, with a bald head and a wrinkled face, who seemed to be as much surprised as they were. The Tin Woodman, raising his axe, rushed toward the little man and cried out, “Who are you?”
“I am Oz, the Great and Terrible,” said the little man, in a trembling voice. “But don’t strike me–please don’t–and I’ll do anything you want me to.”
— Frank Baum, The Wizard of Oz
He knows himself to be mediocre, but he’s great in the eyes of others.
They have no concern for facts, ideas, work. They’re concerned only with people. They don’t ask: “Is this true?” They ask: “Is this what others think is true?” Not to judge, but to repeat. Not to do, but to give the impression of doing. Not creation, but show. Not ability, but friendship. Not merit, but pull. What would happen to the world without those who do, think, work, produce?
Second-handers have no sense of reality. Their reality is not within them, but somewhere in that space which divides one human body from another. Not an entity, but a relation—anchored to nothing.
Opinion without a rational process. Power without responsibility.
— Ayn Rand
Nature of the Second-Hander”