Well, they all do it.
Sell lesser – and nicer – versions of their big SUVs.
For less – and more – money.
GM has the Chevy Tahoe and the GMC Yukon.
Same basic thing, sold three different ways- each progressively fancier and (of course) more expensive.
The Tahoe, for example, shares its frame and basic layout with its pricier GMC and Cadillac-badged siblings. But it does not even offer the engine that’s available in the GMC-badged version – and which comes standard in the Cadillac-badged version.
But, sometimes, you get less.
Which sometimes isn’t a bad thing.
Have a look at this Nissan Armada, for instance.
It is nearly identical to the Infiniti QX80 – with which it shares pretty much everything except the Q’s stylistically questionable Guild Navigator from the ‘80s movie Dune bulbous front clip.
You get the same 5.6 liter V8 (downrated slightly on paper, but still the strongest standard V8 in the class) that powers the Q and the option to buy almost all the creature features (including a dual LCD back seat entertainment system) that are available in the Q.
The only things you can’t get are the Q’s Hydraulic Body Motion Control (HBMC) auto-adjusting suspension system and the option to buy 22 inch wheels (the Armada’s wheels max out at 20 inches).
A small price to pay – for about $20k less to start.
The Armada is the more conservatively styled (and much more attractively priced) Nissan-badged version of the full-sized, eight-passenger Infiniti QX80 SUV.
Most of the differences are cosmetic and most of those are exterior cosmetic differences. The Armada’s interior layout is virtually identical to the Qs, which is either good for Nissan or bad for Infiniti – depending on your point of view.
Bothfeature three row seating, body-on-frame construction, the ability to pull an 8,000-plus pound trailer and are available with truck-type (heavy duty) 4WD with a two-speed transfer case and Low range gearing.
The Armada is however bigger – and brawnier than – competing models like the Chevy Tahoe and Ford Expedition, which are physically smaller vehicles and also have smaller engines (and in the case of the Ford, fewer cylinders).
It’s also a much better deal: $45,600 to start for the base 2WD SV trim – with the standard 5.6 liter V8 – vs.$47,450 for the least expensive version of the 2018 Tahoe and a stunning $51,695 for the least expensive version of the 2018 Expedition – which no longer even offers a V8 engine.
Prices for the 2018 QX80 hadn’t been released when this review was written in mid-October 2017, but the 2017 QX80 starts at $63,850.
You might also want to cross-shop the Toyota Sequoia – which starts at $48,300 and also comes standard with a large (5.7 liter) V8. It’s an old design – the current model dates back to 2008 – but that can be a good thing in terms of proven design and a less-complicated design.
After last year’s complete redesign – including a stronger standard engine and a much roomier (class-roomiest) backseat – the 2018 Armada receives a few minor tweaks, including an updated app suite (Hands-Free Text Messaging Assist, Enhanced Voice Recognition) piped through an updated 8-inch LCD touchscreen, which s standard in all trims.
Platinum and Reserve trims also get a standard Intelligent RearView Mirror, which pipes a hi-res image of what’s behind you into the rearview mirror.
More standard engine and horsepower – and amenities, including a standard 13-speaker Bose stereo rig – than Tahoe or Expedition offer.
At a lower price.
Basically the same thing as an Infiniti QX80, at a much lower price.
Arguably a nicer-looker than the odd-looking Q.
Roomier second row than Tahoe or Expedition.
WHAT’S NOT SO GOOD
Tow rating no longer best in class (previous-generation Armada was rated to pull 9,000 lbs., this one maxes out at 8,500). A Tahoe can pull 8,500 lbs. and the 2018 Ford Expedition has the current best-in-class max tow rating of 9,200 lbs.
It’s a behemoth – almost half a foot longer overall than a Tahoe.
Widest turning circle (20.6 feet) of the bunch.
Not as much cargo room as Expedition (and much less cargo room than long-wheelbase Expedition EL).
What you’ll find here is the same thing you’ll find under the hood of the QX80: An updated (direct injected, higher compression) version of Nissan’s 5.6 liter V8 engine.
In the higher-priced Q, the V8 supposedly makes more power: 400 hp and 413 ft.-lbs. of torque vs. 390 horsepower and 394 ft.-lbs. of torque in the Armada. But a look through the technical specifications comes up dry as far as any reason for the difference in rated output. The engines are mechanically identical and built on the same line in Tennessee. It is almost certainly the case that the QX’s rating is higher because its price is higher.
The Chevy Tahoe’s 5.3 liter V8 makes 355 hp and 383 ft.-lbs. of torque.
The Expedition doesn’t even offer a V8 anymore.
It is powered by a twin-turbo 3.5 liter “EcoBoost” V6 that makes 375 hp (and, to give it its due, a very impressive 470 ft.-lbs. of torque). Hence the Expedition’s class-highest max tow rating.
However, there have been customer complaints about the real-world performance (and pulling power) of Ford’s twin-turbo V6 engine. And regardless, it is an inherently more complicated engine, with potentially very expensive components (two turbochargers and all the peripherals) that you won’t ever have to worry about with a simpler, inherently less maintenance-intense V8.
Ford’s decision to back away from V8s in favor of smaller (and tubocharged) sixes even in big SUVs like the Expedition was based on fuel efficiency considerations, but the Expedition’s EPA numbers – 15 city, 22 highway for the 2WD version and 15 city, 20 highway with 4WD – are not spectacularly better than the Nissan’s (14 city, 19 highway with RWD, 13 city, 18 highway with 4WD) and are actually slightly worse than the V8-powered Chevy’s (16 city, 23 highway for the 2WD version and 16 city, 22 highway for the 4WD version).
In real-world/mixed use driving, all these buses will typically average in the mid-high teens.
Which sounds awful but isn’t when you take a look at the mileage stats posted by large, three-row crossovers (like the Mazda CX9, reviewed here) that have much smaller engines and far less capability. These average low 20s.
Which is awful given what they can’t do vs. what a big SUV can do.
Like pull an 8,500 lb. trailer, for instance. That’s the Nissan’s rated maximum capability.
The Ford annd Chevy can pull more but it’s worth a mention that the Nissan’s max tow rating is the same for both 2WD and 4WD models. The Tahoe’s max tow rating (8,600 lbs.) is only with 2WD; the 4WD version’s rating slips to 8,400 lbs. – 100 lbs. less than the 2WD or 4WD Armada’s.
The Ford’s max tow rating (9,200 lbs.) is the same whether you choose 2WD or 4WD, but goes down slightly to 9,100 lbs. if you choose the long-wheelbase EL version.
Behind the brawny 5.6 liter V8 is a seven-speed automatic (the Ford gets a ten-speed for 2018) with racy rev-matching downshifts similar to what you’d get in Nissan’s 370Z sports car. This is an unusual – and unusually cool – thing to find in a burly SUV.
There are also driver-selectable Snow and Tow modes for the transmission, which when engaged alter shift points to suit those conditions. The optional All-Mode 4WD system is fully electronic, with driver-selectable Auto, 4H and 4LO modes. The two-speed transfer case has a 2.70:1 ratio when 4LO is engaged.
One downside – if you like power-brake burnouts – is that you can’t do them in 4WD models because the 4WD is basically always on. There is no 2H (2WD) setting. In Auto, the system will automatically send power to the front wheels (as much as 50 percent) if the rear wheels are slipping.
So you can’t get the rear wheels to slip.
Much less spin.
On the upside, you don’t really have to think much about when to engage the 4WD. Unless the going gets really rough, Auto will cover you when you run across the occasional slick spot – and will just as automatically revert to 2WD (RWD) when the road is dry and traction is good, reducing wear and tear on the system and using a bit less fuel, too.
Speaking of which: Though the updated 5.6 V8 is a very high compression engine (11.2:1 vs. 9.8:1 previously) it is designed to run on regular unleaded. This is one of the few perks of direct (vs. port fuel) injection. A non-perk is that DI engines are prone to carbon fouling over time. But the industry is going this way because DI provides a slight fuel economy benefit and even fractional gains are a Big Deal in terms of complying with the federal government’s fatwas. (More about that here.)
The V8 also features variable valve timing and lift, which basically ramps up the aggressiveness of the valvetrain’s geometry to let the engine make more power when needed, but dials it back down otherwise, to maintain reasonable fuel efficiency and smooth operation.
It may not let you do a burnout, but this thing’s a ripper.
Zero to 60 in about 6.3 seconds, which beats the twin-turbo’d Ford (6.5 seconds for the 2WD version) and blows the V8 Chevy (7.1 seconds for the 2WD version) into the weeds.
For a 5,600 pounder (and that’s the 2WD version) this is spectacular, almost walk-on-water performance. The Tahoe is nearly 300 pounds lighter (5,356 lbs for the 2WD version) and it’s still a full second slower.
It also comes with a $65k-plus base price.
The Ford is the only other SUV in the Armada’s price ballpark that almost matches its straight-line heroics – but you pay more up front and about the same at the pump and will have to take a leap of faith about the long-term prospects of that twin-turbo six.
The Armada doesn’t offer the Q’s Hydraulic Body Motion Control suspension – which tamps down body roll when cornering hard by stiffening up the shock valving on the inner front and rear wheels during high-load cornering, to compensate for weight shift – but you have to be really cornering hard for this to be a noticeable benefit.
What’s more everyday noticeable is the big Q (er, Armada’s) physical proportions.
It’s about half a foot longer overall than a Tahoe and its turning circle is about a foot wider (20.6 feet vs. 19.5 for the Chevy; 20.4 for the regular wheelbase version of the Ford) and that makes it a bit more awkward to park, especially given that most parking spots are sized to fit much smaller cars.
These full-sized ‘utes are also very wide: 79.9 inches for the Armada (for a sense of scale, a mid-sized sedan like the Toyota Camry is 71.7 inches wide) and that adds to the Squeeze Factor, as far as slotting into parking spots designed for Camry-sized cars and having enough room on either side to open the doors wide enough to get in and out not-awkwardly (and without dinging someone else’s door).
The Armada also sits higher off the ground than others in this class: 9.1 inches vs. 8.3 for the Ford Expedition and (surprisingly) just 7.9 inches for the Chevy Tahoe (this is less clearance than many light-duty/car-based crossovers have; that Mazda CX-9, for instance). There are grab rails built into the A pillars on the driver’s and front seat passenger’s side to aid with climbing on board. Also running boards along the side.
All the vehicles in this class have full perimeter steel frames that the body bolts onto – with rubber biscuits in between. Light duty crossovers typically have welded-together bodies and frames (i.e., unibody construction). Body-on-frame construction (with those rubber biscuits in between) is heavier – not so good for gas mileage – but nothing tamps down pothole reverbs better. The Armada, though, is particularly posh, probably because its an Infiniti in drag while the Tahoe is a de-contented GMC (as the Expedition is a less-than-Lincoln).
Quiet, too – in part because it has high-end acoustic-tempered side glass and windshield. It also gets the same insulation as the QX… because it is a QX.
If money weren’t an issue, most people would probably go for the Yukon over the Tahoe – and a Navigator over an Expedition.
You get more stuff. Nicer stuff.
With the Armada, you pretty much get the same stuff – for a lot less money.
And you don’t get the Q’s face.
Those weird low-mounted headlights, that protruding forehead. It really does look like a Guild Navigator from Dune.
Basic handsome truck face here. Very similar to the mug of the Titan pick-up.
Inside, though, it is virtually identical to the Q – and that’s a good thing.
Same wraparound/bathtub dash shape and instruments (minor differences in backgrounds/fonts). The identical center stack and center console and controls, including the rotary knob controller behind the shifter for the 4WD system. You get different leather and wood trim plates, but neither looks less nice.
The top-of-the-line Platinum trim gets second row seat heaters, a heated steering wheel and the same dual-LCD entertainment system (with wireless headphones) you’d find in the Q.
But at a discount of about $6k vs. the price of the base QX80.
You also get a larger (8 inch) main LCD touchscreen than in Expedition, which comes standard with a puny 4.2 inch screen (and a gauge cluster that’s generically similar to lesser Fords).
The Expedition, however is available (uniquely, in this class/price range) in a long wheelbase version which you could almost move into: 42.6 cubic feet behind the third row (vs. 16.5 for the Armada and 15.3 cubic feet for the Tahoe) and 130.8 total with the second and third rows folded (vs. 95.4 in the Armada and 94.7 in the Tahoe).
Put a mattress back there, a mini-fridge . . . and cue your inner Chris Farley.
In some ways, the Armada is more like a high-riding (and really huge) luxury sport sedan than a truck-based SUV. Not in terms of design, but of look and feel. The Tahoe, for instance, has a “trucky” column shifter and a main gauge cluster very similar to a Silverado 1500s. The Ford is likewise F-150-esque on the inside (though it also has a console-mounted gear selector, like the Nissan).
The only gripe I’ve got is the absence of a transmission temperature gauge (important, if you’re going to tow) and the lowered max tow rating – which is odd given the ’18 Armada’s not only got more engine than the previous-gen Armadal, it also has a beefier frame.
It ought to be able to pull more than the Tahoe, especially.
THE BOTTOM LINE
Imagine being able to buy a Yukon Denali for a Tahoe price.
That’s basically what you’re looking at here, Nissan-Infiniti-wise.
And in a nicer looking wrapper, too.
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