First, They Lied About the Range . . .

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There is a creepy consanguinity between the marketing and selling of the “masks” and then “vaccines” – and the marketing and selling of electric vehicles. It makes you wonder whether there might be a relationship . . .

They arose as the “solution” to supposedly dire problems that – we were told – required immediate, right now amelioration. No time to wait and see – or even think before we’re obliged to act. The rush-rush tactics of the time-share selling fraudster, in other words. The “virus” is going to kill tens of millions – maybe more! – unless everyone “masks,” right now (and forever more). Stays home – and stays away from others. The “climate” is going to “change” – unless we change, overnight, to driving electric cars.

And never mind whether they actually “work,” either.

Just as it was with “masks” – and then the “vaccines” – all the accruing evidence that they don’t was suppressed and pilloried. We were told half-truths and outright lies to get us to “mask” – and then to take the drugs that didn’t confer immunity on anyone, either. But did confer myocarditis – and god-only-knows-what-else – on many who were tricked into taking them.

Just the same with electric cars.

People were not told that their touted ranges were frequently much less-than-advertised and could (and do) plummet by 50 percent or more in cold weather. Or – in the case of electric trucks – when used to do the things trucks are expected to do, such as pull a trailer. Instead they were only told – as in the case of Ford’s F-150 Lightning electric truck – that it could pull a 10,000 pound trailer. Which is true. Just not for long.

Or rather, far.

Left out was the relevant fact that if they attempted to actually pull a trailer, they’d be stopping for a lengthy recharge every 80 miles or so. (Detailed truth about this here.)

They were also told they could recharge at home – which is also true. As far as it goes.

But they were not told how very long that takes. Instead, they were led to believe they could get going again in only 30-45 minutes or so. But that is only possible by visiting so-called “fast” chargers, which are not at home. And they were not told that using these “fast” chargers” regularly is hard on the battery and for that reason is likely to decrease the battery’s useful service life – an extremely relevant thing since not using the “fast” charger greatly time-limits one’s mobility. It takes at least several hours – at home – to instill even a partial charge in an electric car, using a 240V stove/dryer-type outlet that most homes do not have wired up in the garage – and so close enough to plug the EV into them – necessitating that the homeowner pay to have an electrician install the outlet where it is close enough.

Even if it is installed, it still takes 9-11 hours to fully recharge an EV at home – so as to avoid having to rely on the “fast” chargers that can damage/shorten the service life of the EV’s most expensive component – its battery.

Catch meet 22.

People were also told the cost of EVs would go down as more EVs were made – and “technology” improved. In fact, the cost of EVs has increased – hugely – because it costs more rather than less to make EVs, which require a huge quantity of hard-to-get and expensive to get materials such as lithium and cobalt.

Now it comes out that it doesn’t cost less to drive an EV, either. Remember that one? No more being gouged by the evil oil companies! Nearly free to drive an EV. Well, to riff on the trademark saying of Star Trek: Next Generation’s Captain, Jean Luc Picard:

Make it not so.

The cost of electricity has risen to parity with the cost of gas, such that it now costs about the same to put the equivalent power into an EV needed to drive the EV 100 miles as it does to put enough gas into a non-EV to travel the same distance: $11.29 for the latter and $11.60 for the former. And the former is what it costs to charge the EV at home – where the cost of the hours’-long wait is not included. It costs an average of $14.40 to instill the same 100 miles’ worth of range at a so-called “fast” charger, costing the EV owner more than it costs someone who just pours three or four gallons of gas into his non-EV to drive the same 100 miles.

And the cost of the harm done to the battery’s longevity by regularly “fast” charging it  isn’t factored into the equation.

People who bought EVs must be feeling a lot like the people who bought the “vaccines.”

In both cases, as it were, everything people were told was either a lie or a partial lie. Not an iota of just-the-truth.

Electric cars cost more to buy, cost more time – and cost more money to drive. Even the truth that they are very quick is a half-truth in that if you make use of that quickness, you will soon not be not going, at all.

Probably the next truth to drop will be the revelation that EVs aren’t “zero emissions,” after all. As people have been told they are. Wait until they are told the truth about the emitting that happens as a result of all the mining necessary to get the raw materials used to make EVs. And – hoo-boy! – the emitting that occurs at the power plants that generate the massive amounts of high-voltage electricity EVs “burn.”

Apparently, only about 15 percent of the public is getting “boosted” – the rest having gotten wise to the truth about the “vaccines.” It is likely something congruent will manifest as more and more people learn the truth they’ve been lied to about EVs.

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129 COMMENTS

  1. Earth is cooling — 1.48°F. That is how much the U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN) is down in 2022 from a peak in 2012, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. This means an average cooling of temperatures by nearly 1.5°F in the last 10 years. (https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/national-temperature-index/time-series/anom-tavg/12/5)
    Nobel Prize laureate, over 1,600 scientists and professionals declare: There is NO climate crisis; https://www.newstarget.com/2023-08-21-scientists-professionals-there-is-no-climate-crisis.html
    Yet most people ‘believe’ that the earth is heating up because of excess CO2, which is a lie; more CO2 means more green plants which NEED CO2 to live AND to produce oxygen. This is basic high school science information showing us that this is a self-balancing action that our planet was designed with by the Creator. Please listen to the next part very carefully;
    Laboratories in Germany Publish Evidence That There Is No Virus And That COVID Does Not Exist
    https://www.brighteon.com/56618467-7c3a-40d9-8968-46131f5a239a
    Think about this; Up to 80% of people are gullible enough to take a depopulation bioweapon injection because they were told it’s a “vaccine.” This demonstrates that the Bible is correct when we are told that man is not capable of self-rule; Rev. 4:11 “You are worthy, Jehovah our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they came into existence and were created.” If 4 out of 5 people are gullible enough to line up and be injected with a bioweapon — while lecturing everyone else for being “anti-science” — there’s not much hope for our species as a whole. And no, I did not take the ‘jab’; I have never been vaccinated and never will be. I read, more than 40 years ago, about how bad ALL vaccines are! ALL vaccines impair your immune system, which leads to much higher usage of big pharma’s drugs. Now, do you really think that is all just a coincidence? If you do, have I got some great deals for you where you can make millions! Or, you can turn to the Bible for answers, especially as to who actually rules the earth, and that ruler is Satan; Luke 4:1-8.
    NOTE; Rapid cognitive decline is spreading across all countries where bioweapon jabs were administered in large numbers. Critical thinking is all but gone. Public education is nearly non-existent, and high school graduates can’t do basic math. If you have questions about anything political or religious in general, ask, or email me; rich5151@gmx.com OR rich515151@yahoo.com. I can also direct you to a FREE online Bible study course that you can use at your convenience.

    • Good stuff, Richard –

      I am also dismayed by the stat (if it’s accurate) that 80 percent of the population took the drugs styled “vaccines.” Just because they were told. Just like 80 percent “masked.” I never used to think of myself as a 1 percenter. But I suppose I am. I suppose most of the people here are, too.

      Welcome!

  2. ‘el Culto Verde’

    ‘the Green Cult’

    In an interview with Diane Sawyer, Charles Manson said that when he was nine, he set his school on fire.

    After four days at Boys Town, he and fellow student Blackie Nielson obtained a gun and stole a car.

    When Manson was physically unable to defend himself, he would screech, grimace and wave his arms to convince aggressors that he was insane.

    His case worker deemed him aggressively antisocial.

    Manson read the book Stranger in a Strange Land, a science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein.

    Inspired by the burgeoning free love philosophy in Haight–Ashbury during the 1967 Summer of Love, Manson began preaching his own philosophy: EeeVees for all.

  3. I still say my Volt was the best solution. BEVs and their required infrastructure just aren’t there yet.

    I’m interested in Tesla but several things keep me from buying one chief among them their cost over the last two years before prices dropped back to 2019 levels. I also worry about the use of the structural battery back that decreases wait but messes with reparability.

    Then you have to find a nearby service center or get mobile service.

    There is also the build quality that may or may not have improved since last I checked.

    I’ll keep my Volt until they work that out.

  4. I drive electric, and I can say for sure most of this is poppycock designed to spread FUD.
    1. The price to charge your car. The average for a “fast charger’ is around .21 cents a KWH. So for my that would be 18 dollars (at a high) to charge my car to 100%. In the summer, that is 315 miles, winter it’s 260ish So no, it is NOT 11.60 for 100 miles. The article states what it costs at home. Where the hell does he live? In Oregon off peak hours is .06 cents per KWH. IF charged to 100% at home(which I wouldn’t) that’s $5.28 Not 11,and that assumes I’m dead empty.
    2. “Fast charging kills your battery” Wow, ok you MIGHT loose .01% per year if you fast charge to 100% multiple times a day. My battery has a 8 year, 100k mile warranty that it won’t go below 70% of original capacity. I’ve got a 99KW battery, They only allow 88% of the battery to be accessed, the rest is for emergency power, and as a buffer (much like an SSD saves space for later use when chips go bad)
    3. “They don’t last long” There is a guy in Germany who has over 1 million miles on his car, He’s had the battery replaced 2x, but .I seriously doubt your gas engines and transmissions will last 1/4 that.
    4.”What if I’m stuck on the freeway in a blizzard for a week” I’m glad you asked. You should have checked the weather before you went , AND I’ll be warm in my car for that week, and be able to drive off the freeway when it opens.. EVs don’t use much energy sitting still with the heat on.
    5. “It takes too long to charge” Some cars sure if they are a decade old, but the latest generation of cars charge to 80% in 15 minutes. When I charge I will go get something to eat, or take a massive dump.. which lasts more than 15 minutes. A trip from Oregon to Phoenix would take an extra 3 or so hours. That is driving straight, and doesn’t take in to consideration I would charge at a hotel when I slept… curious, does your car refill the tank when you sleep?
    6. “what are you gonna do when there is a power outage” Well.. I can charge via solar, yes it is going to take a long time, but tell me.. how are you going to get gas from pump at a station without electricity?
    7. “they can’t tow, they don’t have the range” Well you are right, they aren’t there yet, but tell me this. In your regular F150, if you are towing 10k pounds how many miles a gallon do you get? 6, 7? Less? Does that mean your range is a lot less than empty?
    8. “They are slow” if you consider 3.5 seconds 0-60 slow, sure they are. They I can just go buy a model S plaid and have a 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. Then I can turn around and go get groceries. To get that kind of performance, you would need to out spend me 3 to 1.
    9. “They are worse for the environment” Maybe, but isn’t it THE most American thing you can do by buying an EV? You are taking the money out of the pockets of OPEC. Yes my power likely comes from Hydro, coal, or natural gas. I don’t care where it comes from. The cost savings allow me to buy more guns and ammo…
    This is the same arguments that people who drove horse and buggies made against gas powered cars, Back then the roads weren’t built and there wasn’t a good network of gas stations.
    Get an EV, don’t get an EV. I don’t care. Learn the truth though. All I know is I won’t be going back to gas powered cars. They are slow, noisy, drive horribly, and in general suck.

    • YY,

      I just convey the facts. And the facts are that charging an EV is becoming almost as expensive as fueling a standard car – not counting the time cost, which you do not address. My time is valuable to me. I don’t like to waste it sitting at (or driving to/from) a “fast” charger” – even for 15 minutes, which is five times as long as it takes to fully refuel my truck.

      It often takes much longer than 15 minutes, too. Fact.

      I also stated physical facts about the effects of heavy discharge/”fast” recharge cycles upon battery longevity; also the fact that manufacturers of EVs such as Ford specifically advise limiting “fast” charging for exactly that reason. You point out your EV’s battery comes with an eight-year warranty. What has that got to do with the issue at hand?

      The “million mile” EV in Germany. You admit the guy has replaced the battery twice. The cost of doing so far exceeds the cost of rebuilding/replacing an IC engine or transmission and these routinely go 250,000 miles and 20 years without needing to be replaced. And they cost far less to buy – another fact. So, the guy who bought the probably $50,000-plus Tesla has twice paid to replace its probably $15,000-plus battery. Meanwhile, they guy who bought a $25k Camry 10-15 years ago hasn’t had to replace anything comparably expensive yet.

      You write: “What if I’m stuck on the freeway in a blizzard for a week” I’m glad you asked. You should have checked the weather before you went.” This is the sort of bizarre/insolent dismissal of a serious EV issue that is a non-issue with non-EVs.

      I have test driven multiple EVs in cold conditions and the range depletion is a huge issue. One made worse by using the heater and defroster. In almost-always-warm (and not too hot) climates these problems are reduced. But probably two-thirds of the country has hot summers and cold winters. Losing even 10 percent of indicated range is a big problem – especially when it takes so goddamn long to get any range back.

      You miss the point entirely in re towing – as well as using the quickness EVs tout – which is that it’s a non-issue for for non-EVs because even if they get 5 MPG and empty the tank after 150 miles (which none do, even the “gas hoggiest” can and do go at least a couple hundred miles on a tank) you can refuel to full in minutes, anywhere. In an EV, you must serially stop – perhaps for hours. A truck that can’t haul for more than 80 or so miles before it has to stop for at least half an hour to an hour is . . . useless, as a truck.

      OPEC: The fact is that before the Biden Thing was enrobed, America was self-sufficient as regards oil.

      You conclude by drawing out the old horse and buggy thing – which only shows you are ignorant about the history of EVs. They are old technology. Been around for 120-plus years. They failed in the market at the beginning of the 20th century for exactly the same reasons that EVs are a fail today: They were inferior to gas-powered vehicles, which were (and are) more versatile and impose fewer hassles on the owner.

      And then you say (of non-electric cars): “They are slow, noisy, drive horribly, and in general suck.”

      Utter nonsense. Objectively so.

      • That was a kick-ass informative comment/reply, Eric.

        That person’s comment did change my perspective a bit on what EV’s are.

        I did think of EV’s as just rolling battery chargers, now I can add: they’re over-priced rolling battery chargers with a heater.

    • Hi there, my slow, noisy, horrible driving T-Bird would be happy to go head to head against your wonderful EV. Say California to Florida Any way you want to cut it, Id beat you by days if not weeks, all while enjoying the ride.

      As for your taking money out of the pockets of OPEC, we as a country were doing that before the climate nazis you’re in league with took full control of the infrastructure. Oil and natural gas exist in significant quantities to make murika energy independent. We were well on that road before the recent unpleasantness. I guess stolen elections have consequences.

  5. Next time you go to Walmart or some large grocery store, take a look at the little electric carts available for handicapped people. That is about the only way electric vehicles can be justified. EVs are just another cockamamie liberal feel-good idea whose time has not come. Meanwhile we suffer through trying to make the liberal dunces’ and their “brilliant” idea. Why do we do that???

      • I drive electric, and I can say for sure most of this is poppycock designed to spread FUD.
        1. The price to charge your car. The average for a “fast charger’ is around .21 cents a KWH. So for my that would be 18 dollars (at a high) to charge my car to 100%. In the summer, that is 315 miles, winter it’s 260ish So no, it is NOT 11.60 for 100 miles. The article states what it costs at home. Where the hell does he live? In Oregon off peak hours is .06 cents per KWH. IF charged to 100% at home(which I wouldn’t) that’s $5.28 Not 11,and that assumes I’m dead empty.
        2. “Fast charging kills your battery” Wow, ok you MIGHT loose .01% per year if you fast charge to 100% multiple times a day. My battery has a 8 year, 100k mile warranty that it won’t go below 70% of original capacity. I’ve got a 99KW battery, They only allow 88% of the battery to be accessed, the rest is for emergency power, and as a buffer (much like an SSD saves space for later use when chips go bad)
        3. “They don’t last long” There is a guy in Germany who has over 1 million miles on his car, He’s had the battery replaced 2x, but .I seriously doubt your gas engines and transmissions will last 1/4 that.
        4.”What if I’m stuck on the freeway in a blizzard for a week” I’m glad you asked. You should have checked the weather before you went , AND I’ll be warm in my car for that week, and be able to drive off the freeway when it opens.. EVs don’t use much energy sitting still with the heat on.
        5. “It takes too long to charge” Some cars sure if they are a decade old, but the latest generation of cars charge to 80% in 15 minutes. When I charge I will go get something to eat, or take a massive dump.. which lasts more than 15 minutes. A trip from Oregon to Phoenix would take an extra 3 or so hours. That is driving straight, and doesn’t take in to consideration I would charge at a hotel when I slept… curious, does your car refill the tank when you sleep?
        6. “what are you gonna do when there is a power outage” Well.. I can charge via solar, yes it is going to take a long time, but tell me.. how are you going to get gas from pump at a station without electricity?
        7. “they can’t tow, they don’t have the range” Well you are right, they aren’t there yet, but tell me this. In your regular F150, if you are towing 10k pounds how many miles a gallon do you get? 6, 7? Less? Does that mean your range is a lot less than empty?
        8. “They are slow” if you consider 3.5 seconds 0-60 slow, sure they are. They I can just go buy a model S plaid and have a 0-60 in 1.9 seconds. Then I can turn around and go get groceries. To get that kind of performance, you would need to out spend me 3 to 1.
        9. “They are worse for the environment” Maybe, but isn’t it THE most American thing you can do by buying an EV? You are taking the money out of the pockets of OPEC. Yes my power likely comes from Hydro, coal, or natural gas. I don’t care where it comes from. The cost savings allow me to buy more guns and ammo…
        This is the same arguments that people who drove horse and buggies made against gas powered cars, Back then the roads weren’t built and there wasn’t a good network of gas stations.
        Get an EV, don’t get an EV. I don’t care. Learn the truth though. All I know is I won’t be going back to gas powered cars. They are slow, noisy, drive horribly, and in general suck.

        • Interesting. The cost to refuel referred to was based on a Anderson Economic Group 2022 study released in Jan of 2023 (https://s3-prod.autonews.com/2023-01/EV%20Cost%20Analysis%202022%20Q4%20Update.pdf). I presume AEG was a national study so therefore a national average.
          The National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) assessed the average cost of fast charging at 35 cents/kWh in late 2018 (https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy19osti/72326.pdf):

          “Based on data reported by major service providers in the United States, namely
          AeroVironment, Blink, EVgo, and Tesla, charging price for DCFC in the United States
          varies between less than $0.10/kWh to more than $1/kW, with an average of $0.35/kWh.”

          So who cares how much it costs in any one jurisdiction? What’s relevant is national averages and is therefore what the typical EV driver ought expect. Quit talking like what you experience in your particular jurisdiction is what the typical EV driver can expect.
          Besides, what you likely don’t realize is that any jurisdiction paying less off-peak rates is likely paying correspondingly more for peak rates, meaning you’re undoubtedly paying more (than you otherwise would be) to cook your supper or for AC throughout the day. That is if a utility is structured to make X profit (which they all are). It’s a shell game (as it is with emissions as we shall later see).

          And you are completely ignoring charging losses; generally regarded as between 10 – 20% for home chargers (routinely being assessed at 12 – 13%, and about 8% for fast charging.
          All meaning you might be using up to 120 kWh to charge that 99 kWh battery. Or 110 kWh at a DC fast charger. Something the AEG study likely factored.

          I don’t know where you’re getting frequent fast charging to 100% isn’t detrimental to a battery. I’ve seen zero expert opinion that echoes that. In fact, experts are still fairly united in that frequent fast charging (in and of itself), especially to 100% is indeed detrimental to battery health. I must say, you appear to be the victim of propaganda (FUD?).

          A number of reports coming out of the UK stating EV charging is now on par, or more, than refueling an ICE.

          I will also assert overnight charging emits more than a comparable ICE as night generation is significantly more dependent on fossil generation. In fact, a recent Stanford study concluded we ought encourage people to charge through the day vs the night for precisely that reason (https://news.stanford.edu/press-releases/2022/09/22/charging-cars-honight-not-way-go/)

          “drivers should move to daytime charging at work or public charging stations, which would also reduce greenhouse gas emissions.”

          Look into the real facts.

  6. I keep seeing those recharging stations popping up all over the place, and the people driving these EVs seem happy enough with them. They can walk into a mall and shop while their car is charging. It’s a great excuse to do more retail therapy.

    There are only so many slaves to mine these minerals, and the sad fact is that this controversy doesn’t end with EV. just about every technological device sold today uses cobalt, most of which comes from the Congo and employs inhumane slave labor.

    When those batteries eventually putter out, they’re then exported to some third world country to deal with the environmental disaster that will then destroy their ecosystem.

    Ultimately, it’s beginning to look like a big fat nothing burger. These things are destined to be utilized mostly by the elite, their stooges and a few wanna be morons who think it makes them look environmentally conscious.

    • Hi John,

      That depends on how you define “success.” If you define it to mean reducing car ownership and decreasing freedom of movement, then you may well be right. That is certainly the intent.

      • I think John is being “mildly” sarcastic, a la…

        Yes, the thinkers among us know that EV’s are not economically feasible, on their own merits, but…

        Because our fearless (((leadership))) has deemed EV’s next “great thing” and our salvation, and are devoting our tax dollars to ensure EV success, us Goyim will be forced into them, braying and protesting, all the while.

  7. And what about emissions using the “average grid” to calculate (which every study does)?

    In Germany, average grid emissions over 24 hours are about 350 grams per kWh (g/kWh). They rise to about 550 g/kWh between the hours of around midnight to 6 am (less wind and zero solar). 70 – 80% of EVs recharging takes place at home during those early morning hours.

    EV’s emissions calculated using the average grid is an absolute lie.

    • Hi Joe,

      You raise an interesting and highly relevant point – which I’ll second – about the opacity and disingenuousness of the true relative and actual “emissions” attributable to EVs. But I also like to go after what I consider to be the fundamental lie – that being about C02 as an “emission.” Or at least, a harmful one vis-a-vis cars.

      • Not only that but EVs add to demand. So even if powered with renewable energy, they do not reduce emissions; they merely do not ADD to emissions (to whatever degree we allocate that renewable energy to specifically EVs). At least to a significant degree.

        Assuming an interconnected grid (which it largely is), given X amount of renewable energy in any one (or several) jurisdiction(s), every kWh used to recharge an EV could otherwise be used to offset dirtier production elsewhere, thereby legitimately reducing emissions.

        To whatever degree EVs reduce emissions (via renewable energy), they would be reduced anyway. Asserting EVs reduce emissions is a shell game.

  8. Nothing like duping the public to buy electric just before utilities costs are set to increase by multiples over what they had been for the last few decades. What a win!

    (nevermind the stupid claim that they are emission free, you know how much emissions happen from building batteries and solar and all the piece parts that just move where the emissions are happening, from the cars exhaust to some remote factory somewhere. It doesn’t reduce overall emissions, it just relocates the emissions so the Cuntrollers can claim to be GREEN.)

    And CO2 is needed for Plants to Grow, which in turn produce O2 for Humans to breathe. The atmosphere is an OPEN system. If it was a closed system all the changes that accumulate harmful gasses would still be local and life a we know it would be much different.

    • “just move where the emissions are happening, from the cars exhaust to some remote factory somewhere.”

      even if that’s all they do, that’s a win for local air quality where people live
      which translates in a win for general health and quality of live

      it also solves the problem you see in big cities like Paris in hot summers when they currently see themselves forced to implement limits on the number of cars allowed in the city to keep the air breathable
      (Paris currently does that by restricting access to cars alternating by even/uneven numbers on their plate)

      ” It doesn’t reduce overall emissions”

      not needing to be mobile but being on a static site
      -> allows using technology that is to big to be mobile
      -> allows using technology that is to heavy to be mobile
      -> allows using technology that is to volatile/fragile to be mobile
      -> you can put that static site outside of areas where people live

      having order of magnitudes less pollution sources
      -> allows using technology to maintenance intensive for use by the masses
      -> allows using technology to expensive for use by the masses
      -> allows using technology to dangerous for use by the masses
      -> allows for more rapid implementation of technological innovations
      -> allows for far easier oversight with regards to emissions

      I seriously doubt all the above advantages would not translate in reducing overall emissions in the middle to long term , that seems unrealistic

    • Good point Knowbody, but I just happened to look at an incredibly disturbing graph which shows oxygen levels in the environment have been on a somewhat steep decline over the last few decades. What with all the COxygen2 being sequestered, it should come as no surprise, but what happens when people start gasping for air?

      I know people who have been planting gardens for over 50 years and they’re all starting to complain about how their gardens are failing. They can’t understand what’s going on. The powers that be aren’t focusing on just one method of extermination.

  9. Electricity is a secondary form of energy meaning that first you must create and use an energy source to then create electricity there’s a conversion loss in any process. Electricity is difficult to store, to transport. Electric powered vehicles are also extremely heavy compared to Gasoline powered vehicles of the same class size. This means everything related to them must be upgraded tires, brakes, jacks, service lifts, even the roadways themselves. A Hummer EV weighs 9000 pounds, get that stuck in a snowbank try to push it out, good luck. The other thing not mentioned in the article is how horrible ugly these wind turbines are. They are a blight on the land/seascape. No wonder Obama won’t allow them offshore in Martha’s Vineyard his multimillion dollar seaside mansion value would be cut in half.

    • “Electricity is difficult to to transport.”

      Compared to what?

      In an area that has an electrical grid (and that certainly covers all of Europe and the US) the logistics of transporting electricity is certainly much less then the logistics of transporting gasoline
      (and putting in a heavier circuit for a charging station is gonna be way cheaper and less permit-heavy then putting in your own gasoline pump and storage(and keeping it filled)

      just compare:
      – how many homes do you know that have a grid connection?
      – how many homes do you know with their own gasoline pump and storage?

      long-term storage of electricity is indeed problematic,
      but again a good electrical grid largely makes that unnecessary

      Electric Vehicles are indeed heavier, though the hummer is an outlier (in both EV and ICE-versions), some googling tells me that an EV weighs about 750 pounds more then a comparable ICE on average, that’s not enough more to require completely different tech.

      “This means everything related to them must be upgraded tires, brakes, jacks, service lifts, even the roadways themselves.”

      Brakes actually have way less wear on an EV due to the regenerative braking

      Roads are built to handle big rigs, a heavier personal car is not gonna need upgraded roads

      Service lifts are built to handle most cars, it’s not like most EV’s are gonna beat a non-electric hummer in weight (the hummer H1 was 7200 pounds IIRC)

      Tires will indeed have more wear and tear,

      Jacks will need to be slightly stronger, neither of those is a problem with current tech

      • No electricity infrastructure is not cheaper than gasoline. An Electricity grid like industrial societies have requires a highly complex system of different transformer stations and expensive wiring. Gasoline meanwhile is just a simple liquid you need to move around in tanks. This is clear when you are in a remote location and you have to refill your car. If you have an extra gas can it is easy for a gasoline car. But if you have electric where there is no infrastructure you are in trouble.

        • @jamesthe1st

          yes building a grid is expensive,
          but we already have that grid, it’s a sunk cost that we pay for with or without EV’s
          and moving some extra electricity around that grid isn’t that expensive

          “Gasoline meanwhile is just a simple liquid you need to move around in tanks.”

          that also requires a whole heap of infrastructure (you need roads, gasoline trucks, storage tanks on both ends, pumps on both ends, a driver to drive the truck, somebody to manage the storage on both ends, …)

          moving an extra 1Gwh of electricity around over an existing grid,
          is way cheaper then moving an extra 30k gallons of gasoline around
          and that becomes more through the further you go (the needed driver for the gasoline truck alone ensures that)

          “This is clear when you are in a remote location and you have to refill your car.
          If you have an extra gas can it is easy for a gasoline car. But if you have electric where there is no infrastructure you are in trouble.”

          yes gasoline does allow you to carry more energy around then batteries
          so yes gasoline is currently more practical in that particular corner case scenario

          but if you don’t have your fuel source while you are in a place without infrastructure
          … you are in trouble, whether that fuel sources is gas or electric is irrelevant

    • Windmills didn’t use to be so ugly, but that’s not the worst of it. Those blades are an environmental disaster. They decompose and outgas. Germany has outlawed them because they’re an a nightmare to deal with once they’ve reached their useful lifespan.

  10. I believe that one of the reasons the “vaccine” narrative is so strongly defended is because it relies on the same tactics and techniques that have been used to keep “climate change” going. They’re desperately afraid that if the vaxx narrative unravels the connections between how it was campaigned and how “climate change” has been promoted will be recognized, leading the latter to unravel as well.

    • I wish I could agree with you about drawing the connection, but I’ve spent my whole life around liberals, and believe me they’re unable to make that connection. They will if they’re told about the connection, but not if they have to arrive at that conclusion on their own. Spend some time around liberals. It’s the only way to truly appreciate their monumental stupidity.

      • Hi Bill,

        I agree. They are cognitively impaired. They cannot – or will not – see/acknowledge a principle or common underlying point. Everything for them is specific to the thing “on the table” and – if it is something a Leftist approves of – he will defend just as ferociously as he will denounce the same if it is an enemy “on the table.”

        • I remember some years ago in some university, I can’t remember the name, where they took a list of ideas and asked the students what they thought of the ideas for the economy. The overwhelming majority thought all the ideas were good. Then they were told that ideas were Trump’s ideas. All of the students threw the lists in the garbage when they heard that. If I remember correctly, I heard it on a Rush Limbaugh show.

          • Hi Bill,

            It’s a measure of the times that ideas aren’t evaluated as such but rather in context of who’s for (or against) them.And this is a measure of the politicization of our times.

    • It may not make much sense, but to those who have been paying attention to how these narratives unravel in the past, it usually results in a slap on the wrist. After that is memory holed, the next pandemic is rolled out along with their next life saving vaccine.

      I also think that the elite will have no problem supplying the peasant classes with as many scapegoats as they need to feel a sense of justice and closure. Scapegoats are an incredibly effective way to draw society together and this is just as effective as a way to distract society as well.

  11. EVs…..the new “Blood Diamond”.

    I wonder if Leo & Jennifer will reprise their roles to vilify the governments and businesses pushing the Green New Deal?

    Probably not.

    • Hi Johann,

      Such people never do – in part because they can afford not to. What do people like Leo care about the cost of the Green New Deal? They can afford to pay it. And they probably know their status will increase as ours diminishes.

  12. In addition, how are all those parts for the bird killers going to be recycled? From what I understand, the windmill parts are not recyclable. Maybe they’ll last forever?!?

    Where are the environmentalists on this one?

    We go across the country a lot and Texas has dirtied up its landscape with these satanic bird killing monstrosities. I’m guessing that Rick Perry got his job as energy czar as a result of his bird-killing takeover of Texas land.

    Ironically, the hemisphere’s largest cross, near Groom, Texas, is now dwarfed by these idiotic windmills.

    • Some Chinaman owns 140,000 acres of land in Texas or approximately 240 square miles, 12 by 20 miles. The company had plans to build a wind farm, but fell through when the gov of Texas halted the project.

      The video of a condor getting slapped by a wind turbine blade is disturbing, the condor beelines for the ground and a thud is heard. Bald eagles fall victim and so do golden eagles. Partridge are slaughtered by wind turbines, geese, become victims too. An airplane collided with a wind turbine in South Dakota, humans are included in the numbers.

      350,000 wind turbines spread across the planet will have an effect on wind forces and directions, and probably can change climates locally, micro-climates.

      Bugs plaster the wind turbine blades which causes drag and reduces efficiency. Then bats go for the bugs and bats get slaughtered.

      Every single wind turbine will wear out and fail.

      A huge waste of resources and human labor, wind turbines will always need maintenance until they no longer function and are obsolete, which is now. Not many positives about wind turbines and farms.

      Can’t get gone fast enough. Epic fail of epic proportions.

      130 billion mammals exist on the earth and all exhale carbon dioxide every minute of the day. There are tons of carbon dioxide gas entering the atmosphere just from the mammals doing their best to survive. Six percent of the total are human beings, the vaccines are whittling them down some.

      My cat catches a mouse and doesn’t kill it. The crazy cat lets it go to catch it again. It’s a cat and mouse game for the cat. The mouse hides under the couch. The cat waits for the mouse to make a move, then catches it again. The mouse is now gone.

  13. And then there will be the brown-outs as everyone in the city decides to plug in their go-carts at the same time.

    No, thank you.

  14. “People who bought EVs must be feeling a lot like the people who bought the “vaccines.””

    Of course a lot of them are the same people — which works out well, actually. The EV/vaxxers won’t have to worry about the replacement costs of that expensive battery. Let their heirs worry about that!

  15. Hmmm…

    After I read this, the song “Home on the Range” came to mind: the “range” of your EV being the distance from your garage to the end of your driveway. But only on a full charge.

  16. Methinks the superchargers would convert into hydrolysis plants making hydrogen after the politicians come to their senses and let the scientists and engineers lead them from gasoline to hydrogen, which could be burned in ICEs or converted into electricity by fuel cells. The carbon “problem” would be resolved either way.

    • Yes, hydrogen fuel cells really were a viable alternative. It was unfortunate to see Toyota give up on them–probably just realized that earth-stripping lithium/cobalt batteries were just too far ahead. It would take trillions to build out a hydrogen infrastructure, but in the end, we would actually have a renewable fuel source (which is probably why they killed it).

  17. I don’t recall seeing that word “consanguinity” so I looked it up in my 20 year old, mostly pre-woke dictionary and there it was. You are right on the money with that observation.

    Fast charging even a phone battery or tablet battery can cut down its life. But that is good for the makers of those things. With unchangeable batteries, you have to replace those products sooner. I imagine the same is true with car batteries. Although they can be replaced, the cost is often outrageous.

    I see where uncle Musky lowered the prices on many of his higher-end EV’s. If I understand this push toward an all EV nation by 2040, I can spend $100K on a not-high-end EV and then recharge it with electricity that will be provided by solar panels and windmills. This will be true even if I live in the north where there is still occasionally a cold winter that seems to come along every year despite the anti-CO2-ers telling us global warming is here to stay.

    No one ever said that liberalism was going to be easy or fun. Truth be known, it sure is stupid and dumb.

  18. Eric, let’s take your topic, both of them to a different degree. Covid and EVs. Right now today in our world in the USA 7,500 people are dying or being disabled aka: crippled every day from the, “jab/s. But the facts about the jab being a deadly and disabling bioweapon are being censored. How many people and families are being killed and/or disabled by their EV becoming engulfed in flames while charging in their attached garage within their homes? Of course like the jab the deaths and disabling damage is being censored so are the charging fires in people’s homes being censored. Human life is collateral damage to the Godless agenda and their policies whom have gained control of our information outlets. You’re 100% spot on Eric by combining Covid and EVs.

    • I agree, Mark – and thanks for the kind words!

      I think it’s important to not discuss these topics independently and in isolation – for they are fundamentally the same topic.

  19. Uff da, that’s pretty cold for Virginny. Bit of a shock when you’re not used to it. Tonight here it’s supposed to get to 20 below, the usual weather for this time of year. Heating oil tank is still over half full, when it reaches half I suppose I’ll have to dump $500 bucks to fill it; that doesn’t include what I pay for co-ordinate electric heat as well. Imagine how much power an EV would need to not freeze up here at night. On the other hand, if the battery goes up in explosions and fire you’d have some warmth for a while.

    A local grocery store offers free charging for shoppers, although such short charging times can’t be too effective. What’s funny is the sign on the charger that says 80% of its electricity is from coal.

  20. An analogy maybe:
    The chemical Thalidomide was sold in Europe and off-label in the United States. This might be a decent analogy for the Covid19 shots.
    It was proclaimed a “wonder drug” for insomnia, coughs, colds and headaches. It was not tested on pregnant women. The chemical can express chiral inversion {think right or left handed}. Babies were born with abnormalities. Search it all up if you don’t remember.

    The Covid19 Panic might be similar. Billions of shots have been given and billions have had no medical challenges. Apparently, many have developed heart problems and sometimes death. Researchers did not know enough, and then politics got involved.

    I think with EVs, engineers and researchers know the facts. Governments appear to be influenced by a Climate Cult™. Companies respond by making EVs and trying to sell them so they don’t go broke.

    • Hi John,

      I’d argue politics got involved well before the so-called “vaccines” were rolled out! It was obvious by early summer 2020 that the “pandemic” was political in that the usual metric defining a pandemic – death – was tossed in favor of “cases,” which weren’t even defined by people actually getting sick enough to need medical attention but rather a positive test on a dodgy PCR test. It was obvious by summer 2020 that bodies were not stacking up like cordwood. Yet the hysteria increased. “Mask” theater began – and continued.

      As regards EVs: I think the corporations are under the sway of ESG-types and no longer care – at the highest levels – about making money because it is no longer about making money but . . . politics!

      • I suppose as long as the Govt takes money from the people and shuffles it at the companies they won’t have to make a profit.

        “Mask Theater” >>I like that, and will steal it.

      • Yup. PCR tests run for too many cycles and emergency medical facilities that were set up across the country, most of which were closed after not serving a single patient. Calling someone who died in a motorcycle accident a “COVID death” to gin up the numbers. Nothing but theater created to terrorize people into compliance. Had nothing to do with science or medicine.

        • Hi David,

          Indeed! My dad was a doctor, so I am “hip” to a few things about medicine/health care. One being that a “case” – until now – has always meant: Serious enough to be under a doctor’s care. And this idea that wearing a “mask” served any purpose – other than making the wearer look like a neurotic – clued me in right away that the whole thing as a lie and also something worse. That being evil.

          • Ditto except the doctor was my mom. I was literally raised in a doctor’s office (no daycare in the 70’s). I knew it was all political BS from the moment I knew it was a coronavirus. Masking? 6’ distancing?

            • Hi Stan,

              Yup. It was good fortune for me to have that experience as it helped disabuse me of reverence for white coats – who are just people and not gods, though some (like Fauci) expect to be worshipped as such.

  21. 2008 Lotus Elise vs 2008 Tesla Roadster: ICE vs Electric | Fifth Gear

    Lotus Elise
    225 hp
    2100 lb
    0 to 60 4.5 sec.
    Top speed 148 mph

    Tesla Roadster
    288 hp
    2800 lb
    0 to 60 3.7 sec.
    Top speed 125 mph

    The Tesla is 3.6 seconds a lap slower on the race track…..weight matters…the Elise is quicker on the track…an EV is slower because of the weight of the battery…
    The EV has a low top speed….electric motors have low end torque but no top end power…..their power starts dropping half way to maximum rpm….ice engines can pull to maximum rpm…

    An apples to apples test showing EV’s are slower, are no fun to drive and have no sound….no soul….they are dead and boring….are heavy and clumbsey….

    The Tesla Roadster is an electrified, modified version of the Elise…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_13dn6pK2A

  22. The madness never ends…

    Alaska just got fed money to study alternative fueled and “electric ferries” to reduce the AMHS’s emissions. Electric ships in Alaska? Are you kidding me?

    Give me $10.00 and I will save the taxpayers a lot of money because I know this is a huge scam. It Won’t Work!

    What’s the charge time and voltage for a ship quick charger? I bet it is more than 500 volts. Further, if you want to float something, you simply displace the weight in equivalence in water. The AMHS operates with very few feet of water underneath in some passages. Bigger battery = less vehicles, less passengers = higher cost to travel.

    https://dot.alaska.gov/comm/pressbox/arch2022/PR22-0021.shtml

    • Scotland’s insane Energy Strategy and Just Transition Plan (the WEF agenda)

      They want to switch to 100% wind turbine and solar as a power source…but they are only provide intermittent power, so they want to store electricity in batteries….

      There is one part to the “green” EV revolution that we have written about – but that no one else is talking about: the incessant need for cobalt and the “appalling” way that the battery metal is mined and produced.

      I’ve never seen [a cobalt mine that did not rely on child labor or slavery] and I’ve been to almost all the major industrial cobalt mines,” he told Rogan.

      Every smartphone, every tablet, every laptop and crucially, every electric vehicle” needs it, he noted. “We can’t function on a day-to-day basis without cobalt, and three-fourths of the supply is coming out of the Congo.

      the Congo is sitting on more cobalt than the rest of the planet combined.”…china grabbed it all…. this green bs just benefits china….anyone pushing it is a ccp shill….

      Grid scale battery storage technology doesn’t exist. California tried it and the lithium batteries caught fire……

      Banning ice powered equipment and vehicles…

      Electric vehicles can’t plow snow or fields, harvest corn, empty buckets, excavate ore, raise wind-turbine masts, or perform any other economic task for which ‘grunt’ is required. Notwithstanding, from 2030, diesel and petrol engines will be prohibited.

      Shutting down oil production……..

      Scottish Government is irreversibly disbanding the North East’s oil and gas industry communities and with them, their 50 years of institutional knowledge of oil and gas operations and all the jobs…. gone….a wef order…

      ATTENTION FERRIES…Their government is trying to purchase two green ferries, at the same price as 34 regular ice powered ferries….

      Hydrocarbon gas is to be phased out of Scottish homes from 2030…..they will all freeze to death…..

      The wef agenda is equalization of all nations into 3rd world countries. somebody said….. beat the world back in to neanderthal societies.

      Comrade Sturgeon a wef puppet implementing their agenda…She has filled every cabinet position with clueless wef stooges,

      Sturgeon has implemented the wef agenda…

      She has bankrupted the country, destroyed the education system, the roads network, the island ferries, the NHS, she has torpedoed the independence momentum (the last thing she wants is independence), she has invented new genders to support her, pouring vast finding into every LGBT* organisation and fast-tracking her friends into government, and has bribed all mainstream media in Scotland…….all wef owned G7 leaders did the same thing..

      She railroaded everyone into lockdowns and injections, brooking no dissent….all wef/who orders…

      She is the most destructive and incompetent politician in the western world, but good at following wef orders to do their work…….

      https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dangerous-fantasy-scotlands-net-zero-energy-transition

    • …….Alaska just got fed money to study alternative fueled and “electric ferries” to reduce the AMHS’s emissions. Electric ships in Alaska

      ATTENTION FERRIES…The scottish government is trying to purchase two green ferries, at the same price as 34 regular ice powered ferries….

      looks like electric ferries are very very very expensive…..2 cost 34 X the cost of regular ice powered ferries….do the taxpayers there know?….these politicians are insane…..lol

  23. Parsing the brazen lies of solar power:

    ‘The LCOE (Levelized Cost of Energy) is an estimate of the long-term average cost of producing electricity from a power plant — by taking the costs of the plant, such as the money needed to build and operate it, fuel costs, and the cost to borrow money, and dividing them by the amount of electricity generated by the plant (generally megawatt hours) over its useful lifetime.

    ‘Electricity generated by new solar panels would cost $50.67 per megawatt-hour, [whereas] the most affordable electricity in [Mississippi] was generated by the combined cycle (CC) natural gas units at the Victor J. Daniel Generating Plant at a cost $30.31 per MWh.

    ‘Solar facilities in Mississippi only generated about 22 percent of their potential output in 2021, which means utility companies would need to install 450 megawatts (MW) of solar to generate 100 MW of electricity on average, requiring a huge overbuild of capacity to get the same annual energy output.

    As a result, Mississippi families and businesses are forced to pay for two electric systems: one that works when the sun is out, and one that works when it isn’t.

    The data are clear: when all these costs are added up, solar is much more expensive than using Mississippi’s existing natural gas, coal, or nuclear power plants.

    https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2023/01/24/sunshine_might_be_free_but_solar_power_is_not_cheap_877463.html

    An unfixable problem with solar is that the sun’s maximum irradiance at sea level is 1 kW per square meter on a clear day. That’s low density, comrades. And it takes massive, costly physical infrastructure to collect it, even in the desert.

    No amount of value-subtraction subsidies from the US fedgov can ever change this stubborn, inconvenient physical fact. Good luck, Aptera solar EeeVee buyers! Maybe y’all shoulda went to engineering skool. 🙂

    • ATTENTION: Estimate in dollar cost $/MWh energy production at power plant in 2015. exclusive of tax credits, subsidies, or other incentives
      coal 95.1 natural gas 72.6 nuclear 95.2 offshore wind 196.9 solar 239.7

      NOTE: (if a natural gas power plant is converted to solar source power plant source of power the price of electricity triples, who is going to pay for that?….stupidity…)

      natural gas is the cheapest and cleanest, less environmental damage….next best nuclear, push nuclear…..everything else except coal is far too expensive, forget it….

      solar, wind turbine and hydro are way too expensive environmentally damaging…

      Hydro power stations are expensive:
      Capital costs
      For power generation capacity capital costs are often expressed as overnight cost per watt. Estimated costs are in dollars:
      Conventional hydropower $2752
      Natural gas turbine $710
      ATTENTION: Estimate in dollar cost $/MWh energy production at power plant in 2015. exclusive of tax credits, subsidies, or other incentives
      coal 95.1 natural gas 72.6 nuclear 95.2 offshore wind 196.9 solar 239.7
      (if a natural gas power plant is converted to solar source power plant source of power the price of electricity triples)
      Capital costs
      For power generation capacity capital costs are often expressed as overnight cost per watt. Estimated costs are in dollars:
      Gas/oil combined cycle power plant $1000
      Natural gas turbine $710
      Onshore wind $1600
      Offshore wind $6500
      Solar PV (fixed) 1800
      Solar PV (tracking) 2000
      Battery storage power $1380
      Conventional hydropower $2752
      Geothermal $2800
      Coal (with SO2 and NOx controls) $3500–3800
      Advanced nuclear $6000
      Fuel cells $7200

  24. Seen this one yet, Eric? Oh, you’re gonna LOVE it. (https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/tesla-semi-interior-review/)

    “Tesla fans with Ruffled feathers over perpetually delayed products can finally Lay off the brand. After much waiting (only four years late), the electric Tesla Semi’s first customer, PepsiCo, has taken delivery of its first examples of the big rig. The beverage and snack food conglomerate’s Frito-Lay division will take center stage in the company’s Tesla truck rollout plans at its Modesto, California, factory and distribution center, so we visited the upgraded 80-acre zero-emissions facility to experience the Tesla Semi firsthand and talk to its drivers about what it’s like to drive.

    “Frito-Lay’s 15 new Tesla Semis made their debut at an event celebrating the Modesto factory’s transformation into a zero-emissions pilot project for Pepsi as it aims to achieve zero emissions across its operations by 2040. The revamped facility is massive: 500,000 square feet dedicated to turning potatoes and corn into Lays, Ruffles, Doritos, Cheetos, and Fritos chips, powered by a massive onsite solar facility and local renewable energy projects, both backed by 2.7 MWh of onsite battery storage. Helping the factory distribute its snacks throughout the American west are three electric BYD 8Y yard tractors, six Peterbilt 220EV electric box trucks for local last-mile deliveries, 38 natural-gas powered Volvo VNL trucks for long-distance slogs, and of course, six (and counting) Tesla Semis, used for out-and-back trips across the region.

    “As for its battery—well, logic dictates we should look at the Plaid again. The few PepsiCo Tesla Semi drivers present during our visit said the truck has a 1,000-kWh battery pack, or 1 megawatt-hour (MWh), which equals 10 Plaid battery packs daisy-chained together. That jives with Tesla’s claim of 500 miles of range and company chief Elon Musk’s claim of the Semi using 2 kW per mile traveled. In real-world use, Frito-Lay’s drivers told us the Semi’s routes are much shorter. A typical day for them might have them leaving Modesto in the morning with a load of chips (weighing less than the truck’s 82,000 gross combined vehicle-weight rating) and running an out-and-back loop to places like San Jose or Concord, both about 85 miles away.

  25. Now we learn that China’s auto exports have surpassed South Korea’s, and are about to blow past Germany’s, placing China in second place worldwide after Japan.

    https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/china%20made1.png?itok=jJ3LXQx0

    Unlike Germany, China isn’t crippled by US military occupation, NATO membership, and a self-imposed boycott of Russian oil and gas.

    ‘We are fighting the Russians.” — German foreign minister Annalena Baerbock

    Get Woke, go broke. Ain’t buyin’ your pricey kraut krap no more.

    Any news from the eastern front? /sarc

    • China Is About To Become The Number 2 Exporter Of Passenger Vehicles In The World

      Who benefits the most from the EV vehicle conversion and the ESG program? china does.

      Around the world the fake CO2, global warming bs narrative is being used to push EV’s, china spreads this bs narrative……china has a lot of influence in your government

      Anybody pushing EV’s, solar panels or wind turbines and the ESG is a paid ccp shill.

      Every EV is a chinese EV, 80% of all the key parts and the battery come from china, same as solar panels or wind turbines …low quality, they all catch fire.

      All the most important components in the new EV’s are all made in china.
      80% of the lithium fire bomb batteries in EV’s are made in china.

      These lithium fire bomb batteries are very dangerous, these EV’s shouldn’t be allowed on the road…lol….but …..china has a lot of influence in your government so they are given a pass.

      Then you are dependent on china for replacement parts, etc., in effect they take over the whole vehicle supply chain. Vehicle production then centralized in China.

      the chinese are taking over the electric car market, they are starting to export their EV’s worldwide.

      the chinese make most of the chips, maybe the shortage was to help their EV launch….lots of their cars coming here soon

      china…..it is where most rare earths are processed; and most of the mineral supply-chains for electric vehicles lead there, with existing supply sewn up.

      With more EV’s the grid has to be upgraded, most of the equipment for expanding the grid is made in china.
      The largest beneficiaries are the Chinese manufacturers of electric transformers, cables, generators, etc. since almost none of that stuff is made anywhere else anymore.

      If there is a war and china detonates a neutron bomb that takes out the grid, they get to supply all the replacement equipment, another win for them.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-about-become-number-2-exporter-passenger-vehicles-world

      • Who benefits the most from the EV vehicle conversion and the ESG program? china does.

        the ccp helped the communists win the election and with the wef takeover….this is their reward……

        another reward…….

        What about all the vaccines and drugs the government has been pushing, all the ingredients for all vaccines and drugs come from china, they benefited the most from the bat germ bs narrative.

  26. So what have we learned? If the government wants you to do something, they will lie to you and allow others to lie to you.

    Another question. If you have 2 EVs, will you need 2- 240V (probably 30 amp) circuits?
    That will get you around 18 range miles per hour.
    If you have 100 Amp house service, it will take 60% of your total electric capacity (60A * 80% = 48A) or 30% of a 200A service.

    • You’ll need far more than 30 amp circuits… the Tesla Home Charger is 48 amps. So you’ll need a 200 amp feed to your home to charge two vehicles and service the home.

      Now, as you’re charging those two vehicles, you’re consuming ~24 kWh each and every hour (taking into account battery and charger inefficiencies)… that’s going to get expensive. Each Tesla Model S Long Range 95 kWh battery is going to take more than 100 kWh to fully charge (again, taking into account battery and charger inefficiencies) from near zero. And all to drive a maximum of 405 miles… if you baby it and putter along.

      Of course, the grid itself is vastly inefficient… the trick being pulled is that they only gauge efficiency from battery-to-wheels… neglecting all the losses from burning fuel to generate steam to turn a turbine to generate electricity to put it out over the grid to transform it to a much higher voltage then transform it again to 240 V split-phase, then you’ve got charger and battery inefficiencies on top of that… and as the battery ages, it becomes more inefficient (a battery near EOL will waste nearly 20% of the electricity you put into it as heat).

      The correct method of calculating efficiency is fuel-to-wheels for both electric and ICE engine’d vehicles… and EVs don’t stand a chance in that case except in areas with heavy nuclear or solar or wind (but solar and wind being intermittent, they introduce grid instability because they cannot contribute to grid inertia).

      I have all the calculations somewhere… I was arguing long ago with a nutter from IL… come to find out my gas-fueled vehicle is more efficient fuel-to-wheels than his Tesla. At the time, he vehicle was ~70% coal-powered. Such an ego-deflator for the nutters to learn that they’re the biggest polluters. LOL

  27. How Tesla owners are punishing each other

    Customer says 20 car line ups at all times for chargers

    Tesla’s $1 per minute idle fees discourage owners from leaving cars parked at charging sites,
    a model plugged in without charging for two hours attracts $120 in fees……if the car isn’t plugged in the other drivers plug it in so the owner gets charged….lol

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/motoring-news/how-tesla-owners-are-punishing-each-other/news-story/8292ecf943c0b77e85d7f3e8bc550ef0?mibextid=Zxz2cZ#ldelk7iw1ypty6wwqpl

    • An EV just sitting loses:

      tesla says a daily 3%-5% stationary range consumption.” (just parked)
      So Tesla says it’s normal to fully discharge itself in under 3 weeks. …5% a day x 21 days = dead battery…. Keep this in mind when parking it somewhere 90kwh @ $0.40 per kwh = another $36.00 per week/$144.00 per month loss just parked…lol…..$36.00 a week x 10 year EV lifespan = $18,720.00 another hidden cost….

      Plus the cost of the battery, which is huge, you have to store the electricity in the very, very expensive battery, that is the killer for EV’s right there, the expensive, rapidly wearing out battery.
      the tesla $22,000 battery is used up, worn out in 100,000 miles.
      ATTENTION: this works out to $22.00 per 100 miles it is costing you for the battery.

  28. You know how they lie all of the time.

    They lie about wind turbines, electric vehicles, solar panels, Covid, vaccines, the adverse reaction numbers, the statistics are being ignored and buried. They even lie about internal combustion engines, hydrocarbons, carbohydrates, anything that makes some sense is somehow your fault.

    The lunatics in charge turned the entire planet into an asylum.

    They lie about everything.

    If you are at YouTube and search for Ukraine war, the news is Russia is in big trouble and on the ropes.

    If you listen to Douglas Macgregor, Ukraine military groups are being soundly defeated, on the run and being killed in droves.

    Who can you believe? Nobody.

    The game must be to hide the truth, lie until the cows come home.

    Nobody wants bad news and all the news is bad over there.

    If you read about the Wagner Group, the truth is revealed. There are 50,000 members, 40,000 are convicted criminals released and serve as quasi-mercenaries.

    They’re trained killers who are going to kill, it’s their job.

    Gotta hunt down the truth to make it all better.

    They have to lie, no other choice. Your fault they have to lie all of the time.

  29. “I Cannot Speak To This”: White House Won’t Say Whether Biden Will Return Donations From FTX’s Bankman-Fried

    With Sam Bankman-Fried now officially in custody for allegedly swindling his investors out of “at least $1.8 billion”, questions have begun to swirl about whether or not campaign donations made by the former FTX CEO would be returned to the company, which is now trying to manage a bankruptcy.

    The money laundering circle was: Democrats vote to send funds to Ukraine, Ukraine invests in FTX, FTX cryptocurrency was funneled back to the same Democrats….to finance elections….

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/i-cannot-speak-white-house-wont-say-whether-biden-will-return-donations-ftxs-bankman-fried

  30. In the book the 47 Ronan, the Emperor had a terrible nightmare dream about the environment. He decreed all living things to be left to their natural environments and anyone interfering would be put to execution. So, no meat could be had, crops were subject to locusts, and their economy and conditions deteriorated badly. Only certain high-ranking Daimyo were allowed to be in contact with the emperor and they controlled others thru intimidation in that they knew of the etiquette and rules to be followed around the emperor. This is where the dispute arose between one Daimyo who had direct contact with the emperor and controlled others and another Daimyo he hated and made a fool of.

    Isn’t that where we are today? Decrees from government are ruining our economy. And the privileged class in Washington know the rules and are trying to make fools of us.

    • Hans
      “Decrees from government are ruining our economy. And the privileged class in Washington know the rules and are trying to make fools of us.”

      Not trying….

  31. ‘The cost of electricity has risen to parity with the cost of gas.’ — eric

    The linked Andersen Economic Group report seems to be a sound approach. It contains this note:

    “All use cases reflect 12,000 miles/year, with the cost of residential charging equipment amortized over five years. Calculations are based on energy prices and taxes in the state of Michigan.”

    I wish AEG had explicitly cited the costs of gasoline, power and amortization, so that comparisons could be made to other times and other places. A contact is given, so maybe they would furnish those details on request.

    But, big picture, the ‘save big with EeeVeeees’ pitch was a lying crock from enviro-wackos and monopoly utilities. They need to be mercilessly confronted, and shouted down as liars and grifters.

    We’s fed up, ain’t gon’ TAKE IT no mo’.

    • Along the lines of what Eric mentioned about not counting the cost of fast charging, I’ve yet to see anyone amortize the cost of a battery replacement as part of the $$/mile, etc.

      Maybe I must missed it though.

    • People bought EV’s and thought they could drive almost for free, they wouldn’t have to buy gas anymore, they would save a lot of money.

      The reality is a lot different….

      TOTALS: cost per mile…….

      Tesla EV using a home charger total cost per mile = $0.84
      Tesla EV using a fast charger total cost per mile = $0.94

      VW diesel total cost per mile = $0.35

      Comparing cost per mile, 10 years, 100,000 miles:

      Tesla EV and VW diesel

      I saw rates somewhere at $0.14 per kwh at home, that is due to probably triple very soon.
      in Europe it costs $0.72 per kwh, coming here soon.

      I saw rates nation wide at fast chargers outside home at $0.40 per kwh

      What test drivers are actually getting driving in the real world driving EV’s is they are getting 2.4 miles of range for every kwh

      An EV just sitting loses:
      tesla says a daily 3%-5% stationary range consumption.” (just parked) leakage, batteries leak power, ice cars don’t
      90 kwh x .05 = 4.5 kwh lost per day leakage x $0.14 = $0.63 per day just parked = $0.02 per mile

      Ice diesel:
      The 2014 Volkswagen Golf BlueMotion diesel, capable of 73.5 mpg U.S. it has a 971 mile range, the perfect car.

      VW diesel 100 mile fuel consumption = 1.36 gallons @ $4.00 gallon = $5.44 = $0.0544 per
      mile

      Tesla EV @ home 100 mile fuel consumption = 41.66 kwh @ $0.14 kwh = $5.83 = $0.0583 per mile

      Tesla EV @ fast charger 100 mile fuel consumption = 41.66 kwh @ $0.40 kwh = $16.64 = $0.16 per mile

      the tesla $22,000 battery is used up, worn out in 100,000 miles. = $0.22 per mile for the battery use,

      the battery use cost is higher then the electricity used. A hidden cost, nobody told you about. maybe a lawsuit?

      Tire costs
      The tires on EVs tend to wear out faster due to the additional weight and extra torque that hits the road. Plus, EV tires typically have less tread to improve range and decrease noise, they need special more expensive HL rated tires.

      Tesla tire size 235 35 20 $391.00
      VW Golf tire size 225 45 R17 $119.00

      In 100,000 miles if the tesla needs 4 replacement sets = $391.00 x 16 tires = $6256.00 = $0.06 per mile

      In 100,000 miles if the VW Golf needs 2 replacement sets = $119.00 x 8 tires = $952.00 = $0.01 per mile

      Tesla EV costs $50,000 depreciation over 10 years is $39,500 = $0.39 per mile

      the VW diesel costs $24,355 depreciation over 10 years is $19,240 = $0.19 per mile

      Tesla EV costs for maintenance and repair: $1000.00 per year = $0.10 per mile
      VW diesel costs for maintenance and repair: : $1000.00 per year = $0.10 per mile

      TOTALS: cost per mile…….

      Tesla EV using a home charger total cost per mile = $0.84
      Tesla EV using a fast charger total cost per mile = $0.94

      VW diesel total cost per mile = $0.35

      The VW diesel cost per mile includes the gas road tax, the Tesla EV doesn’t include that, but it will pretty soon….watch…

      This doesn’t include insurance costs, if insurance costs $3.00 per day = $0.11 per mile

      2014 Volkswagen Golf BlueMotion for sale… $6403.00….buy one…

      https://www.motors.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/trim/bluemotion/year/2014/used-cars/

      • my $0.10/kWh all be increasing to $0.12/kWh over the next few years, assuming regulators grant all of the increase the utility is requesting.

        what does Eric pay in VA?

        there’s no way rates here in the USA will be tripling anytime soon.

      • RE: cost/mile for diesels. Back when I drove a TDI #2 diesel was on par with Unleaded 87 in most of the stations I frequented. In the summer, when demand for heating oil was nil, it was easy to find stations where it was cheaper. Of course that really cheap stuff had a low cetane number, but that was easy to rememdy with some Power Service additive.

        Of course that could not stand! After the “scandal” new taxes were hoisted on good old #2 and now it’s the most expensive thing on the pump, next to pureblood gasoline (if you can find it). One would think… well, no one thinks in DC any more. Social engineering takes precedent over mechanical.

  32. Like I’ve always said, electricity is not freeeee. 😆 The govco war on hydrocarbons is starting to pinch everyone in the wallet, and solar panels & windmills aren’t going to cut it. Might not want to stand near any of those windmills either, just saw an article about one that toppled over that was taller than the Statue of Liberty (sic). What an utter waste of resources.

  33. Absolutely sad about Toyoda. Mobility company? WTF does that mean? To slow to transition to EVs? GOOD! EVs are a killshot to car companies. They’re a killshot to why we love cars. They’re soulless, useless golf carts on steroids. They don’t have the range to go anywhere. You can’t charge them at home. You’re not going to get the life out of an EV like you would a well-built ICE machine.

    It’s all about destroying personal transportation as one of the heads of the anti-freedom hydra. We want you crammed into hellhole cities filled with crime because we selectively enforce the law, allowing our useful idiots to run wild while we throw the book at you. We only want you to generate tax revenue. You’ll eat bugs and you’ll like it. You’ll own nothing and like it OR ELSE.

    Enough. By who’s authority did the WEF become the masters of the universe? They’re not elected. They didn’t pull a sword from a stone. They’re demonic monsters motivated by a lust to control and manipulate humanity and we all know where that impulse comes from.

    I will not comply. And I think a lot of people are on that side of the fence with me as well.

    • RE: “is there any good news?”

      Some people learned what was causing their chickens to stop laying eggs and now they are getting eggs.

      ‘WARNING to BACK YARD Chicken people!!’

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DikIMopuMA&t=39s

      And, these bits seemed like good news:

      ‘Judge Blocks California’s COVID-19 Misinformation Law’

      ‘GOP House Members Introduce Bill to Repeal National Firearms Act’

      “Another co-sponsor of Burlison’s bill, Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), is simultaneously pushing to eliminate the ATF.” – via breitbart

      Anyway, I’ve decided EV’s are not cars, rather they’re rolling battery chargers.

  34. THEY also lied about how many vaxx doses people would need. When these experimental mRNA injections were first rolled out, we were told that we’d only need 2 doses to be “fully vaccinated”, and then it became “You need a booster”, “You need another booster”, and now “You need the bivalent booster” (even though it was only tested on a few mice), and now the FDA is working on ANNUAL COVID jabs targeting whatever COVID variant is out there. However, I’ve read that the ‘Rona mutates faster than Big Pharma can make mRNA vaccines for it.

  35. I had long considered buying a Toyota Venza (hybrid SUV). While they look cool on the outside, they’re pretty vinyl-tacky on the inside TBH. But still, a Toyota and all that great history of reliability.

    Well I’m glad that I didn’t! I would have been very unhappy about the recent change of command were I to have a Toyota in the driveway (or on order).

    Instead, I’ve got a big fat 3.5L V6 on order. Can’t wait.

    On the bright side, as people have mentioned below, more and more people are waking up to the realities of the EV scam.

    • See, that’s what I don’t understand… all these giant engines. My little 2.0 L Hyundai gets up and does more than 140 MPH, and I regularly get better than 40 MPG without having to tenderfoot the go-pedal. Hey… I paid for that speedometer, I’m going to use all of it. LOL

      All it took was a hard break-in of the engine when it was new (to get good ring seal and thus better compression), frequent oil changes during engine break-in, water mist injection on the engine intake (the OH- radical from water is an integral component in the combustion cycle, which is why your engine runs better when its rainy), and WS2 (to drastically reduce friction) in the engine oil, manual transmission and wheel bearings (don’t use it in an auto-tranny or differential… it’s so lubricious your clutch packs will slip). The side benefit of WS2 is that oil analysis shows there’s been no engine wear for more than 50,000 miles in my engine (the WS2 embeds into the metal and becomes the wear point… but since the WS2 is in the oil (1 level teaspoon of 0.6 micron WS2 per quart of oil at each oil change), it’s immediately replaced as soon as it wears off the metal… so the metal doesn’t wear… this engine’s going to last a million miles. And WS2 doesn’t wear off easily… it can handle extremely high and low temperatures and extremely high contact forces. It’s what NASA uses to lubricate moving parts on satellites (they can’t use grease… it’d freeze solid in space in the shade, then melt out of the moving part in the sun).

      Don’t put WS2 into your engine until it’s fully broken-in… I waited until 18,000 miles. If you don’t get your rings worn-in properly, you’ll have an engine with dirty carboned-up cylinders, lower compression and a much shorter life. The oil in my engine comes out looking pretty much the same as it went in 5000 miles prior. I just change it to replenish the detergents and anti-corrosives in the oil.

  36. “Chief Branding Officer” will lead Toyota? His title tells it all, damn the torpedoes, full ESG ahead. The Zero Hedge article is explicit, Toyoda engages in Wrong Think and must be purged. Toyoda said it himself as he committed metaphorical seppuku.

    As far as EV owners waking up like so many that now refuse The Holy Jab, I doubt it. No one was threatened with loss of employment for not buying an EV. They’ve mostly been sold to arrogant, narcissistic posers and virtue signalers. This type of personality will go down with the ship (or up in flames with their EV) rather than admit error in judgment. Anyone that tries to convince them otherwise is, in their eyes, simply inferior and not capable of their august level of thought.

    • Yeah, but you can really mess with EV owners. My SIL, as soon as she got her MBA, ran out and went deep into debt to purchase a $1.6 million home and two Tesla Model X’s. Then her husband lost his job.

      Just to jab her with a pointy stick because she’s a SF Bay Area holier-than-thou liberal, I sent her picture after picture of EVs bursting into flames… she now refuses to park the EVs in the garage, nor even in the driveway. She parks them on the street and runs two heavy-duty flat extension cords out to them to charge them. Of course, she got in trouble for that, trip hazard and all, so she had to buy a ‘cord tunnel’ to cover the cords as they cross the sidewalk, and several orange cones.

      I used to drive to their home and unplug them once in awhile after dark. Just doin’ my part. LOL

      • Hi Klimate,

        That’s hilarious – and illustrative – about your SIL. Typical “affluent” person who spends (goes into debt) to buy an EV (or two) who favors forcing everyone to do the same and if they cannot (or won’t) then – essentially – let them eat cake… Society is bifurcating. Not so much int the Haves and Have Nots but into the Don’t Wants and You Must Haves.

      • ‘My SIL, as soon as she got her MBA, ran out and went deep into debt to purchase a $1.6 million home and two Tesla Model X’s. Then her husband lost his job.’ — LOL Klimate

        Maybe your SIL had read this inspiring article at CNBC, on how to play this same game with … boats. If not, send it to her:

        ‘Last January, J P Mancini decided to rent out his $400,000 boat. He booked 11 trips in a month. The next month, that number doubled.

        ‘Today, Mancini’s two boats bring in an average of $38,800 in revenue per month, off only 30 minutes of work per day.’

        https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/25/jp-mancini-ii-side-hustle-renting-out-boats-works-30-minutes-a-day.html

        Wunderbar! But there’s a catch:

        ‘He bought his $400,000 boat from Axopar, taking out a bank loan to cover the entirety of the cost. He bought his second boat, taking out a $150,000 personal loan to cover half of the vessel’s cost.

        ‘Between the two loans, Mancini says he pays $6,000 in monthly payments.’

        So he’s $550,000 in debt, with a $6,000 monthly nut — no problema in boom times.

        But if the eclownomy goes south, ol’ J P has got a double-barreled headache: collapsing rental revenue, at the same time boat prices crater and leave him underwater on his $550,000 in loans. Pyramiding works like magic — until it goes into reverse! 🙁

      • Buy an EV or hybrid and you can’t park it …lol

        Fire Danger: Underground Parking Lot Bans Electric Vehicles including all EV’s and hybrids…lol

        parking garage bans electric vehicles from using their facility.

        The civil engineering department posted, “In the future electric and hybrid vehicles will no longer be allowed to park in the underground car park.

        Fire brigades can’t extinguish these lithium-ion battery fires

        The reason given by the civil engineering department explained in a bit more detail why. It said that fire brigades can’t extinguish these lithium-ion battery fires. So their procedure is to let them burn themselves out. But the underground car park ceilings are not high enough to get heavy equipment to pull out burning cars. That’s why it instituted the EV ban.

        Since lithium-ion fires are a chemical reaction they can only be cooled not extinguished. They end up burning for several days in some cases. In that case, damage to the parking structure would be extensive. So for this parking structure, it has chosen to ban all electrified vehicles. That includes hybrids, PHEV, and EVs, whether they contain lithium-ion or nickel-metal hydride batteries.

        Insurance companies see the same risk whether in Germany or Florida

        You may think that since this happened in Germany those of us in the US won’t be affected. But insurance companies see the same risk whether in Germany, Alaska, or Florida. And, as you know, we have many thousands of underground parking garages with low ceilings. Those located directly under a commercial building could destroy the entire structure.

        If you see an EV parked underground report it to the management or the fire department…..lol

        Now that more electric vehicles are finding their way onto the highways and byways of the world, there is a disturbing pattern emerging. Worldwide there has been an increasing string of EV fires from overheated batteries according to Reuters.

        What happens when 2200 Ev’s (a new complex in planning stage will have 2200 parking spaces)….imagine 2200 lithium fire bomb EV’s parked), are parked in underground parking at an apartment block or office tower and they catch fire? You can’t take propane into underground parking, but you can take a fire bomb lithium battery car underground.

        People should tell the engineering departments in all cities to fix this parking of EV’s in parking lots or underground parking lots fire problem.

        https://www.motorbiscuit.com/fire-danger-underground-parking-lot-bans-electric-vehicles/

        • The civil engineering department posted, “In the future electric and hybrid vehicles will no longer be allowed to park in the underground car park.” — anonymous1

          Sounds racist to me. Whatever happened to the 14th amendment equal protection guarantee, huh?

          These anti-Electrites are denying EeeVees’ right to exist. /sarc

  37. There’s not a single spec of truth in the EV charade. From start to finish. From the “need” to the “solution”. We are NOT in the depths of a “climate” disaster caused by burning hydrocarbons, and even if we were, EVs are no solution at all, until and unless we find a way to generate electricity and transport it in sufficient quantity to offset the excellent transportability and availability of hydrocarbons, without USING hydrocarbons. As Rush Limbaugh said years ago, they are coal fired cars.

    • It is as it was in the before time (the Russian revolution).

      The Bolsheviks will send the engineers (who tell them they are full of s#!t) to the gulags first, then wonder why nothing works very well.

    • “”Because of my strong passion for cars, I am an old-fashioned person in regards to digitalization, electric vehicles, and connected cars. I cannot go beyond being a car guy, and that is my limitation.” — Akio Toyoda

      This is straight out of a communist struggle session, in which one is obliged to confess personal strengths as shameful weaknesses, prior to being purged for Wrongthink.

      Goodbye, Toyota. I drive one now, but I’ll never buy another new one. I don’t do business with woke ‘mobility companies.’ Eff that noise.

    • Chief Branding Officer Koji Sato will replace Akio Toyoda on April 1

      from zh comments…

      Shareholder blackmail. I wonder which group of billionaires joined Soros the nutsack in this endeavour.

      Remember he recently said that electric cars will be the death of the industry. Now he is out.

      Future of mobility for the west will be a horse – donkey or bicycle !

      no………It’ll be a VR headset strapped onto a comatosed mutant locked in a micropod hooked up to the power grid powered by human electrical nerve impulses.

      Jaguar is going full ev by 2025. Damn shame. They make some sexy looking cars. They will be out of business by 2030.

      You want a great American car? ….Go to the junkyard, drag out a classic, rebuild it.

      Mandates and subsidies. Thats the business model for electric cars. The marketplace rejected them 100 years ago,
      The first generation of electrics battery packs have started dying in the last few years. They are chock full of toxins,minerals and heavy metals that don’t lend themselves to easy recovery or disposal.
      The burden for the cleanup of this waste will fall on cities and states.Groundwater will be contaminated, waste items will pile up and the government that encourages it will just let the problem grow so large that only the taxpayers can solve it.

      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/toyotas-ceo-step-down-new-chief-will-remodel-automaker

    • This strikes me as very similar to Germany “deciding” to send tanks to Keeeeev. It could be the US empire, on its own or more likely on behalf of the globalists generally, dictating to its post WWII satraps and their corporations. It definitely smacks of coerced compliance with the narrative. Right down to Toyoda stating that his youthful successor would be “remodeling” the company as a “mobility” provider. Gag.

      • Funk Doctor Spidock,
        What little I saw of mister Toyoda, he appeared to be a man of some principle. So, I was surprised. Then I realized what sort of threats may have been made against him, and his loved ones, if he didn’t go along to get along, and the massive secret police of the Western Psychopaths In Charge to make such a threat, and it started to make sense.

          • I didn’t get that out of the article.

            I got that he was no longer able to run the company the way he thinks it should be done, likely for various reasons. And he stepped down instead of giving in to the new way.

            Much more honorable imho.

          • Funk Doctor Spidock,
            “don’t try to run the company on your own”
            Perhaps an attempt to keep the psychopath from taking complete control? Or at least not giving him his blessing? Who knows what kinds of threats were made against him?

      • Hi Funk,

        It appears that all these tanks the U.S. is sending to Kiev need military personnel trained to operate them, while at the same time, Zelensky is demanding MORE weapons from us. If Ukraine is winning as we’re incessantly told by the media, why would they need an endless supply of money and weapons, unless they’re actually LOSING, and the military-industrial complex wants billions and billions of dollars like the pharmaceutical industry was getting from the government for their COVID jabs. Not only that, but according to reports we don’t have enough weapons to defend ourselves against an attack by a foreign country. The world must be laughing at us for having stupid people in charge, but on the other hand, there are also other countries that have stupid people in charge.

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