Ford used to make a car called the Probe that was originally meant to be the replacement for the Mustang. Instead, it ended up being produced (and sold) alongside the Mustang for about a decade, from 1989 – the first year it was sold – to 1997, which was the last year it was sold.
What happened was basically this: Ford thought that the Mustang needed to be rebooted as a more “modern” car, which – at the time – Ford equated with front-wheel-drive car. Ford was also in corporate cahoots with Mazda at the time and figured it could cut down on development costs – of a new Mustang – by sharing the costs of developing one with Mazda.
The Probe-that-was-to-be-the-next-Mustang was basically a reskinned Mazda MX-6. The name came from previous Ford concept vehicles dating back to the late 1970s. The concept car that almost became the first front-drive Mustang was initially referred to within Ford as the ST-16.
The thing Ford forgot – until word leaked about what was being contemplated and fans of the Mustang reminded Ford of – is that the Mustang is a rear-drive car and isn’t a reskinned Mazda. Transforming it into something FWD designed in Hiroshima would transform it into something other than a Mustang. And then the people who buy Mustangs would no longer want one.
When news broke about what was in the works, the poo hit the fan.
Ford’s then-chief of small car engineering Neil Ressler – who was later a player in the development of the high-performance Mustang SVT – said: “This idea came forth that we would replace the Mustang with this front-drive car, the ST-16. There were a lot of people who thought that was a great idea – a modern car. There were also a lot of us who were appalled by that. It was like the champagne sipping crowd replaced the beer drinking crowd. The idea that we would replace the Mustang with a Japanese car a different car from a different culture aimed at a different audience – this is not going to work.”
John Coletti, a major defender of the Mustang who became head of Ford’s Special Vehicles Team (SVT) in the late ’90s and early 2000s, said he “would rather have seen the Mustang name die than put the Mustang name on the Probe.”
The problem was Ford had already committed to the project such that cancelling it would have cost Ford almost as much as ruining the Mustang, so the would-be-Mustang became the Probe and was sold alongside the Mustang, which remained (and still is) rear-drive, as Mustangs ought to be.
But leaving aside what a Mustang is – and cannot be and remain a Mustang – the interesting thing is that the Probe was almost a Mustang – insofar as how it performed relative to Mustangs that were sold alongside it.
I personally explored how close their performance was back in 1996, the year before the Probe’s last year. I was, at the time, a young car journalist working for The Washington Times, up in the heart of darkness. I was just then getting brand-new cars to test drive and write about. I picked up the new Fords at a building downtown that was very much like the Red Ball Garage depicted in Gumball Rally – which was true to life in many ways, including that GM kept its press pool cars in a garage in downtown Manhattan.
Anyhow, I got a brand-new Probe GT from the Ford press pool in downtown DC and decided to visit friends who lived in Richmond, VA – which is about 100 miles down the road via I-95.
The ’96 Probe GT came with a 2.5 liter V6 that touted 164 horsepower, driving the front wheels via a five speed manual transmission. The ’96 Mustang GT came with a 4.6 liter V8 that touted 215 horsepower, driving the rear wheels via a five speed manual. The Probe was about 150 pounds lighter than the Mustang – 2,921 lbs. vs. 3,077 lbs. It was also more aerodynamic. Being lighter – and more slippery – made up for not being as powerful. I was able to demonstrate this to the driver of a Mustang GT on that trip down to Richmond nearly 30 years ago.
Maybe he saw the “manufacturer” plates on the Probe I was driving and knew I was either a car journalist or someone who worked for Ford. Or maybe he just wanted to race, regardless. So we did, bobbing and weaving through I-95 traffic at Ludicrous Speed, each of us gaining a brief advantage before being stymied by traffic we couldn’t get around. Then a hole would open, one of us would exploit it and catch up to the other and vie for the crown. I think the driver of that Mustang must’ve been surprised that he couldn’t shake the Probe. At one point, the traffic thinned out – remember, this was 30 years ago – and we were both able to put the hammer down.
I had the initial lead because I got to the opening in traffic first and – like Scharnhorst at the Battle of the North Cape – I used all the speed that Probe GT had in an attempt to lose the Mustang. He closed on me, but not quickly. After a little while, we were both running close to 130, the Probe’s top speed. Finally, just barely, the Mustang creeped ahead of me doing a few MPH faster. It was a lower-rent version of the scene in Ford vs. Ferrari, where the GT driven by Ken Miles finally manages to catch up to and pass the Ferrari.
As in the movie, the Mustang just barely edged past me. I remember being impressed by the Probe.
I suspect the driver of the Mustang was, too.
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Posted to utube 4 days ago. I wonder where he got his content idea from?
https://youtu.be/KeP76kLDj6E?si=wnMUO1RUD6ZdxcFM
Re: FWD.
Ya gotta give kudos to Chrysler who went against the almost total adoption of FWD in the late 90’s. The 300, Charger/Challenger came out in 2004 and lived to 2023 (now again in 2026)
Almost all sedans at the time were FWD, with some exceptions like Caddy CTS (but mid-sized) which came out around 2003. And the Ford Crown Vic which died in 2011, but ford never updated it well enough.
I had a friend who drove one of those Probes. It was an OK car, it performed fine but was typical mid 1990s car. Just not well built. Now a guy I worked with got a 1996 Mustang Cobra with the hand built engines having the plaque of the two-man assembly team. That was something. It was still kind of a cheap plastic POS that spent plenty of time at the dealer for nonsense shit. But the engine and transmission made up for that. A handful to drive, kind of a muscle car in that respect. It has a soul still.
They dodged the bullet on that one. The Probe as the Mustang would have been a disaster. At least they listened to customers that time.
It would have been seen as a cheap out no matter. Which it was.
They didn’t learn though, if they were doing it now, they would go ahead full steam and let it bomb. In fact they did do it with the electric suv with the Mustang in its name.
“It’s a sickness to not leave well enough alone.” – Ricky
This is just one example of newcomers thinking, “I can improve this thing by completely redesigning it, changing its character and keeping the name.”
If this type of thinking isn’t rejected you could end up with a society that you can improve a woman by adding testicles and a beard…
When I was in high school, they were called anal probes.
Similar experience except it was me in a Ford Focus wagon against a Mustang going up Blood Mountain on US 129. (One of the greatest American highways). The mustang almost lost it in a curve and realized they were not as good a driver as they thought they were.
I suspect Eric in the anal probe was a better driver than the mustang captain. Interstate is one thing, take it to the mountains and I suspect Eric wins no matter what car he is driving against a person who would purchase a Mustang to begin with.
I always liked the Probe, but have never owned one. Sadly I see them being way too modern to restore with too many bespoke components, and too much plastic.
Roger that, Ernie – same here!
Knew a couple owners. They really liked them.
My father, a Ford Credit lifer, told me that, at one point, Iacocca caught wind of what was in the works for the Mustang in the early 80s and made a phone call to Dearborn.
I had a 93 Probe, non-GT.
It wasn’t a terrible car, but Mazda and Ford had endless fit-and-finish issues which drove me nuts the entire time I owned the vehicle, the worst being a rapid deterioration of the rubber trim in the rear side windows which the company never managed to solve before pulling the plug.
Ultimately, however, what doomed the car with me was replacing an idle air bypass valve — $2000 for the part from Mazda.
I don’t see many Probes on the road anymore. Or the MX6 sibling either.
Nothing wrong with the Probe, fine little sporty ride in itself. But a Mustang it’d never be.
So many good cars, so little garage space. The problem these days are the costs to own and insure multiple cars. Not to mention licensing which in my neck of the woods would be $150 state and $150 city sticker per car. I told my insurance agent that I could own 5, 6 cars but I don’t want to incur the costs.
In the old days we just removed the plates and stickers from one car and put them on another car depending on which one car we would choose to drive that day. Those days are over and long gone. The surveillance state is strong and getting stronger each day. There is no place to run anymore. Welcome to freedom American style, protected by our overseas soldiers.
City license? Where the heck are you living? I need to know to avoid it.
Chicago city sticker costs $150. Itz a nice city to visit but avoid certain no-go zones where you life will be at risk.
It was about the first thing I did when I left Illinois for Indiana was to scrape those damn city stickers off my windshield. It’s not just Chicago, but every community in the state.
A very few communities made them no cost (Palos Heights for many years), but the state banned that. Of course they did….. It wasn’t like many towns passed on collecting yet another tax. But there were a few and you can’t have that…..
I well remember watching Ken Miles at that Le Mans race on TV. Unbelievable. Even more unbe!ievable was watching the new J car at the next race!! I thought it out ran the helicopter trying to keep up! Great memories!
Ahh… to be young again.
Here in commieville 50 k over posted limit is stunting ,2410.00 fine , car is towed, and the insurance mafia triples your rates.
Driving talents or lack there of are never considered.
That’s where it’s worth hiring a mouthpiece and making a deal. They do it all the time for real crimes, why not for high speed wreckless driving? (Spelling intended).
Iconic products are hard to change. Not because the engineers and designers don’t want to, just because the buyers won’t put up with change.
I wonder how the mid-engine Corvette sales are doing compared to the traditional front engine design? My guess is that there are more first time Corvette buyers now and fewer “upgrades.”
They do sell less of them, but it may be due to the higher cost of the new Corvette. I still think they should still have a traditional Corvette, and added the mid engine as a new stand alone model. It being like the Ford GT for example, its gonna be low volume just due to the cost. But that is not how GM works with typhoid Mary in “charge”.
They all think they will do ok, making more on fewer sales than volume.