In New York, we have a prequel of what’s to come – the repeal of the Second Amendment and summary criminalization of peaceful citizens merely for possessing the means of self-defense, even in their own homes. As in Great Britain, citizens of NY face prison if they use proscribed weapons against murderous thugs – even in their own homes. The tyrants Michael Bloomberg and Andrew Cuomo have made their decision. Now New Yorkers will have to make theirs. And so will the rest of us – if, as seems likely, the federal tyrants succeed in issuing a New York-style fatwa that applies to the rest of the country. Which brings us to the question:
What will you do?
It is a very hard question. Perhaps the hardest question Americans have had to face since 1861. As then, there may be no peaceful way to preserve our rights. There may be blood. As then, one side is absolutely determined to impose its will at bayonet-point. To murder us in the thousands – perhaps millions, this time – if we refuse to submit. There is no reasoning, no discussing. What we face is violence against our persons by people who absolutely will not leave us in peace – no matter how peaceful we try to be – until we have submitted to them utterly and for all time to come. We wish only to be left alone – and demand that our right to defend ourselves against those who will not leave us alone be respected. That self-defense is the most basic of rights – a right conceded even to the lowest animal. They do not acknowledge our rights; they despise the very notion of us having any rights at all. They regard their power over us as limitless in principle – and rage at even the smallest assertion of freedom of action. They loathe our guns because our ownership of guns is an expression of our determination to defend our very lives – and thus, of self-ownership.
And that is what cannot be tolerated. Which is why the current bum-rush to disarm us has become absolutely frantic. The moment is at hand. We will either stand up and be reckoned with as free men – or we will sit down forever and accept any degradation, any humiliation. And in that case, we shall have proved worthy of such treatment. Future generations will look upon us with the same mixture of incomprehension and contempt that our generation looked upon those who meekly lined up naked in queue for their turn at the edge of the pit. Because it will come to that, in time.
For decades, in a slow and incremental way, they have progressively increased their claims on us. On the most intimate details of our private lives. On our literal bodies and those of our children. We no longer enjoy even the vestigial liberty of being free in our own homes. They are everywhere. They recognize no limits, no boundary beyond which they may not assert themselves over us. They read and record our conversations. They demand to know the minutia of our finances. They tell us with whom we must do business – and under what conditions. They lay claim to an unlimited amount of our income. They deny us even the prospect of real ownership of anything more than the clothes on our backs. They assert their “right” – that is, their unchecked power to do us violence – for any and no reason at all, beyond the reason that they have power and we do not. We are on the cusp now of literal, physical enslavement. Of being owned – because we are about to be rendered utterly defenseless.
If that is not just cause for resistance, then there is no cause for resisting anything, ever. Which is exactly the point being insisted upon: That we have no right to resist, because we have no rights. It is our role to Submit and Obey. Immediately, quietly. To anything and everything they tell us to do. To complacently accept as natural and right that our lives are the playthings of others – who may do with us as they please. That our lives do not matter. Because we do not own our lives.
Our lives are owned by them.
If we lose this battle, then we have already lost the war. The rest will be a mopping up operation. Having taken away not merely our guns but succeeded in intellectually defrocking us of the principle of self-defense and self-ownership that possessing arms affirms, it will be a very small thing indeed to take away much else besides.To take away anything – perhaps everything. Why not? We have already surrendered – and thus, already accepted the idea that nothing is off limits, that whatever small measure of vestigial liberty we may still possess is not actually possessed but merely tolerated . . . for the moment. And may be taken from us at any time, at their whim.
A defenseless man should expect no mercy. And a man unwilling to defend himself – and his fellow men – against tyranny deserves none.
Michael Bloomberg and Andrew Cuomo have made their decision. Diane Feinstein and Barack Obama will soon make theirs.
Then it will be our turn.
I have already made mine. It is the same decision made by Joshua Boston (USMC):
“I will not register my weapons…
“I am not your subject…
“I am not your peasant… .”
I am not a “tough guy.” I am not looking for a fight. Rather, I desperately wish to avoid one. I’m a middle-aged American just trying to live my life, work, enjoy my pastimes and my friends and family. To be an American. A free American. I dearly value my life. Which is precisely why, if I am backed into a corner by those who refuse to leave me be – even though I harm none – then I will turn and fight. God help me. Some might and some might not but the important thing is to visit here.
God help us all.
Throw it in the Woods?
[…] Will You Submit and Obey? […]
As I have stated in recent posts on the unlikeliness of any significant gun control, I now rest my case on this issue. So park your hysteria… it ain’t gonna happen. So put your energies to something that really needs it, like the Bush/Obama justice department.
I recommend highly you don’t park your hysteria yet.
They’ve rolled over and played possum plenty times in the past.
This could very easily be another one; and there’s a huge gotcha coming in the back door not wearing any vaseline–de facto gun registration.
Under the appealing-to-moronic-masses label “Universal Background Checks”–which we all know we already have–they’ll try to outlaw private sales w/out a 4473 and NICS check…thereby starting the process to registration.
Anyone who thinks the ATF is going to leave all those delicious 4473’s lying around unread is an idiot or a dupe. And with today’s electronic 4473–do you REALLY imagine they’re not paying the application developers to back-door it for the ATF to read them remotely?
Let’s also recall the nursery school rhyme we all once learned:
Hey Kids! Gun registration leads to gun confiscation!.
Yeah the rhyming sucks but the fact stands.
Don’t be complacent–they are absolutely out for blood in this fight. If they can back-door registration via UBC’s they’ll have WON, and you’ll feel damn foolish having celebrated Feinstein’s feigned disappointment at not getting her ban.
Keep calling your senators with resolve and anger in your voice.
As I have stated in recent posts on the unlikeliness of any significant gun control, I now rest my case on this issue.
You obviously don’t live in Colorado, as I do. Please don’t tell me that the travesties just passed here are “insignificant”.
Can you hear it yet? The Long Roll of William Diamond’s Drum
By the way, here’s are two real Jefferson quotes that I like.
What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? –Thomas Jefferson in a letter to William Stephens Smith, 13 November 1787
Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. —Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Norvell (June 11, 1807)
Hi Nate. Awesome quotes!
I saw this article at http://www.shtfplan.com. I like it a lot. But there’s one small error. The quote from Jefferson really isn’t. More information at http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/all-tyranny-needs-to-gain-footholdquotation
But except for this one error, I agree with your article 100 percent! Thanks for writing it!
Good catch Nate. The quote is from Edmund Burke (1729-1797) a philosopher from Dublin.
Burke supported the independence of the American colonists, but considered the “new dealers” of 1789 as makers of a totalitarian revolution, intentionally anti-historical, and a nonsensical squandering of the bountiful legacy of their forebears.
“The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.”
“Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.”
“Never despair, but if you do, work on in despair.”
“There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men.”
“The use of force alone is but temporary. It may subdue for a moment; but it does not remove the necessity of subduing again; and a nation is not governed, which is perpetually to be conquered.”
“Ambition can creep as well as soar.”
Reflections on the French Revolution
On this scheme of things, a king is but a man; a queen is but a woman; a woman is but an animal; and an animal not of the highest order.
On the scheme of this barbarous philosophy, which is the offspring of cold hearts and muddy understandings, and which is as void of solid wisdom, as it is destitute of all taste and elegance, laws are to be supported only by their terrors, and by the concern, which each individual may find in them, from his own private speculations, or even spare to them from his own private interests.
In the groves of their academy, at the end of every vista, you see nothing but the gallows. When the old feudal and chivalrous spirit of Fealty, which, by freeing kings from fear, freed both kings and subjects from the precautions of tyranny, shall be extinct in the minds of men, plots and assassinations will be anticipated by preventive murder and preventive confiscation, and that long roll of grim and bloody maxims, which form the political code of all power, not standing on its own honor, and the honor of those who are to obey it. Kings will be tyrants from policy when subjects are rebels from principle.
Only when I can legally purchase my drug(s)of choice at free market prices will I be convinced that Americans take liberty and justice for all seriously.
Tinsley Grey Sammons (1936 –)
I won’t submit and obey, I believe that the Malthusians that want the disobedient caged or killed, are problem number 1. Reduce the scope of Malthusianism to their own villages and lands, and they’re just another competitive belief system and not an existential threat to all.
I hate the war machine and state owned technology that is used against me. Yet problem number 2 are the Luddites who want to destroy or ban advanced technology, instead of overcoming their misuse and making them something that is of a general benefit, they want to fight force with some other force, it doesn’t even make sense.
Federal Banks are bad. Soviet Agriculture is bad. Authoritarian Psychosocial Wars are bad.
Yet only a dialectical cartoon mind would champion the non-sequitir of demanding Rothschild banks, Monsanto Ag, & Tavistock Psych are all bad in every respect, and must be destroyed and banned by state force. Merely take away the compulsory nature of their business models, and everything is right again.
The old tricks and trite truisms don’t remain standing here. The wooden idols all topple and are exposed as the mute blocks of wood they really are.
I had no idea about micro-RNA & that 70% of our food is genetically engineered until today. That doesn’t mean I’m on the bandwagon of banning things, or of demanding the FDA require micro-printed labels on every morsel, or that Monsanto owes me an explanation, far from it. All I seek is to end the subsidy crony agriculture gets, and the laws it helps pass that make it impossible for the little guy to control his food sources.
I don’t see myself as a helpless victims of an evil system. Noone owes me dignity, or autonomy, or self-determination. All the scales and yardsticks are rigged. So what. I will need to create my own if I wish to live in reality.
I was once a fool who believed them when they promised a better future, but I am less of one now.
The world is before me, but I must actively carpe diem & molon labe the things I want, such is the way of the world.
The truth was always before my eyes; the lie was only behind my eyes, and never even existed. I seek to submit and obey only to the truth, and to spend my time affecting the true things as best I am able. There is nothing else that I want or need to do.
I believe in Creative Destruction, and that life is improving, on the margin.
Yet I think we both agree, that without state violence, we would have in its place, Creative Competition. Something that offers real choice, and would be immeasurably better for all.
There seems to be no valid reason why China couldn’t have Westernized colonial districts, Maoist communism, state capitalism, all at the same time.
It seems the world would be greatly enriched if there were still people living in the traditions of the Xia Dynasty, Shang Dynasty, Zhou Dynasty, Qin Dynasty, Han Dynasty, Sui Dynasty, Tang Dynasty, Sung Dynasty, Yuan Dyansty, Ming Dynasty and the Qing Dynasty.
For some unfathomable reason, humans seem to use a system of unnatural selection, whereby the worst usually get on top, and the rest of the competitors are destroyed.
Perhaps it is the case that humans, while being the most powerful higher animal, are also the most beastlike of the higher animals. Americans are especially powerful, and hence, especially beastlike.
:::I present to you, a typical American: Angry Grandpa:::
Someone Took Angry Grandpa’s Candy
Angry Grandpa Celebrates Osama Bin Laden’s Death
Yes. I see no reason why large nation states could not become market anarchist and have subcultures with highly diverse values and ways of life.
Under market anarchism, the sky’s the limit.
The problem as always, is the conceptual box that clovers and sheeple have imprisoned lovers of freedom in, along with themselves.
Re: Chinese dynasties, some of those dynasties were golden ages, as least within the context of conventional monopolistic government.
Others were nightmarish dystopias. China has a 5000 year history. It has had time to make all the political mistakes one can imagine. Unfortunately it has also imported two major mistakes from the West as well. Marxism and democracy.
Two dynasties stood out. The Han and the Tang. At least in the beginning, they were remarkably free. That freedom led to prosperity. That prosperity led to population growth.
The first Emperor of the Han dynasty rescinded all laws from the books except three. All three pertained to the NAP. You can guess how prosperous the Han dynasty was from that alone.
China is the most populous nation on the earth. If it had been as mired in “Oriental Despotism” as some Western China demonizers say, it could never have become that prosperous and populous.
Anyone familiar with Austrian economics would know that. Tyranny leads to famine leads to population shrinkage.
Therefore, by reverse reasoning, even without specific knowledge, one ought to be able to deduce that China must have been far freer at times than many Western China critics imagine.
It could be argued that American prosperity is transient insofar as its citizens surrender most of their individuality and sovereignty to the consumerist-expansionist state.
Mainland China’s 11 trillion dollar economy is a miracle, but I wonder if it now has American-style downsides as well?
I like how Chinese rarely fully blend into other cultures. Much of their language and culture has no analogs in other societies. There are 200,000 of “them” in Las Vegas area, yet they don’t consent to being a part of the Borg. They are “tough cookies” who have been there done that. The world needs more statist resistors like them I think.
I like to hear Americans abroad being referred to as “expats.” There are countless flaws, yet Americans retain a certain je nais se quoi most places they go and don’t assimilate fully.
Unlike China, it may be that Germanic countries could convincingly take America’s place and quite convincingly, given a chance. England is mostly a Germanic offshoot really. Isn’t that the case of Japanese migrating out of China as well?
I’m not sure what America has over Germany, save for our greater and more strategic territorial position and a greater willingness risk it all on a long shot.
Somebody roll a joint for the old fool. If that doesn’t calm him just shoot the old bastard. He’s probably not worth a bag of fart anyhow.
Anyone over the age of 55 certainly deserves the privilege of using any drugs they want. No prohibitions for seniors.
I find him much more relatable than these pale faced twilight kids and funny shaped haircut dudes.
You couldn’t agitate most young hobbits if you threw em all in a concentration camp. They’d just snark and chatter sarcastically with mock superiority behind the commandants back like nothing had happened.
I say throw every nannyesque rule about “growing old gracefully” and “acting your age” in the woods.
Any adult has the right to do whatever he wishes with his body – and that includes eating/drinking/smoking/injecting/inhaling whatever he chooses. Whether he harms himself is irrelevant – in terms of whether anyone else has the right to forcibly intervene. And if he harms others – that’s all that’s relevant. Not what he smoked/inhaled/injected/ate or drank.
DC gun rally
I wish I had some faith in all of this but history isn’t kind to it. My prediction is that a few of you will be made examples which will be splashed all over the media, 99.9% will do as they are told, and the rest will merely hide/bury their guns for another day… which never comes. California already made SKS illegal retroactively and all the owners meekly handed them over. This won’t be any different. It is to easy to go to work, make another deal with the devil, and hope that nothing worse happens… but it will. The cattle cars will next and you won’t resist those either. Your neighbor will be called a terrorist but you won’t care because he always was a little funny, kept putting leaves in your yard, and most importantly it isn’t YOU. The only choices you have now are really:
* go out with a blaze of glory – i.e. wound some minor functionary or two and probably a bunch of bystanders before being taken out in a hail of bullets. The news will say you were a deranged terrorist.
* head to the tattoo parlor and get the numbers on your forearm early before the rush
* join the beast and become the ‘terrorism watch supervisor’ for your block (millions will try to choose this option)
* leave – just get out – get your passport while you can and hope that whatever country you relocate too will grant you asylum when it becomes so obvious that the U.S. is Nazi Germany that even the UN can’t ignore it. Lets hope you get asylum as you WONT be renewing that passport
You underestimate the comatose but awakening American gestalt.
The tyrants are few, and they are weak people. They despise themselves; every narcissist does, and projects it on others. But they’re cowards personally.
Maybe it will be “going out with a blaze of glory”–but at least you won’t be a slave. And who says the blaze of glory will take out only low-level minions? When it starts, people will hunt the progenitors–not their slaves. The Elite will NOT be safe.
“Get out”–I’ve been exploring that option extensively. The problem is, it’s world-wide this time. Nobody will escape if these people win; they’re just targeting America first and hardest, to destroy the ideal (admittedly dead internally) that inspired freedom around the world.
If they DO win here, watch the curtains pulled down everywhere else.
These individuals (Feinstein, Cuomo, Bloomberg, Schumer, etc…)
are ALL dual-citizens of another country. (Israel)
Here is a list of gun control bills/laws.
Every Gun Control bill since 1968 has been sponsored by?
1968: The Gun Control Act of 1968 comes from Rep. Emanuel Celler’s House bill H.R. 17735.
1988: Senate bill S. 1523 is sponsored by Senator Howard Metzenbaum. It proposes legislation turning every violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 into a RICO predicate offense, allowing a gun owner to be charged with federal racketeering offenses.
1988: Senator Metzenbaum co-sponsors a bill — S. 2180 — to ban, or limit/restrict, so-called “plastic guns.”
1990: Senator Herbert Kohl introduces bill S.2070, the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, which bans gun possession in a school zone. The law will later be struck down in court as unconstitutional.
1993: Senate bill S.653 is sponsored by Sen. Howard Metzenbaum. It bans specific semiautomatic rifles, but also gives the Secretary of the Treasury the power to add any semiautomatic firearm to the list at a later date.
1994 – February: The Brady Law, which requires waiting periods to buy handguns, becomes effective. Senator Metzenbaum wrote the Brady Bill. Metzenbaum sponsored the bill in the Senate. The sponsor of the bill in the House was Rep. Charles Schumer.
1994: Senator Metzenbaum introduces S.1878, the Gun Violence Prevention Act of 1994, aka “Brady II.” Rep. Schumer sponsored “Brady II” sister legislation [H.R. 1321] in the U.S. House of Representatives.
1994 – September: The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 goes into effect, including a provision that bans the manufacture and possession of semiautomatic rifles described as “assault weapons.” [Note: true assault weapons are fully automatic, not semiautomatic].
That gun-ban provision was authored in the Senate by Senator Dianne Feinstein and authored in the House by Congressman Schumer.
1995: Senators Kohl, Specter, Feinstein, Lautenberg and others introduce the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1995, an amended version of the 1990 school-zone law which was struck down in court as being unconstitutional.
1996 – September: The Lautenberg Domestic Confiscation provision becomes law. It is part of a larger omnibus appropriations bill. It was sponsored by Senator Frank Lautenberg. It bans people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from ever owning a gun.
1997: Senate bill S. 54, the Federal Gang Violence Act of 1997, proposes much harsher sentences for people violating minor gun laws, including mandatory prison sentences and forfeiture of property. It was introduced by Dianne Feinstein and Senator Hatch.
It returns the idea of turning every violation of the Gun Control Act of 1968 into a RICO predicate offense.
1999 – January: Senator Barbara Boxer AKA Barbara Levy introduces bill S.193, the American Handgun Standards Act of 1999.
1999 – January: Senator Kohl introduces bill S.149, the Child Safety Lock Act of 1999. It would to require a child safety lock in connection with transfer of a handgun.
1999 – February: Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.407, the Stop Gun Trafficking Act of 1999.
1999 – February: Senator Lautenberg introduces S.443, the Gun Show Accountability Act of 1999.
1999 – March: Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.560, the Gun Industry Accountability Act of 1999.
1999 – March: Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.594, the Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine Import Ban Act of 1999.
2000 – May: Senate bill S. 2515, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2000, is submitted by Senators Feinstein, Senator Barbara Boxer, Sen. Lautenberg and Sen. Schumer. It is a plan for a national firearms licensing system.
2001 – January: Senate bill S.25, Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2001, is sponsored by Feinstein, Schumer, and Boxer. It is a nation-wide gun registration plan [apparently there were two versions of that Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act bill].
2003 – May: Senators Feinstein, Schumer, Boxer and others introduce legislation that would reauthorize the 1994 federal assault weapons ban, and, close a loophole in the law that allows large-capacity ammunition magazines to be imported into the U.S. The ban is scheduled to expire in September, 2004.
2003 – October: Senators Feinstein, Lautenberg, Levin [also Jewish] and Schumer co-sponsor bill S.1774, designed to stop the sunset [ending] of the Undetectable Firearms Act of 1988.
2005 – March: Senator Lautenberg introduces bill S.645, “to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act,” in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the “Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994″] which expired in late 2004.
2005 – March: Senator Feinstein introduces bill S.620, “to reinstate the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act,” in other words, to reinstate the 1994 assault-rifle ban [also known as the “Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994″] which expired in late 2004.
This does not constitute “hate speech” but is a matter of public “official” record for you to peruse.
You need to know “who” is attempting to disarm Americans and undermine the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Yikes, Mr. X. Werfen die Juden in den Wäldern? There seems to be a sort of “Jewish Complex.” Like the Africans, Gypsies, Christians, Muslims, & Chinese, Jews tend to live & thrive around the world away from their homeland in structures and buildings built with the hands of other men. This specialized piggy-backing is fine, except when they start sticking their big noses in the tangibly productive men’s business:
Jew’s seem to fancy themselves experts about things they know nothing about, things like steel & heavy industry. (As does the Pope, to be balanced). Jews knowingly become dependent on “less intellectual” groups, and therefore I see no reason to pity them when the blow back brings a holocaust or full national eviction. Jews have been evicted from 109 territories since 250 AD, I believe. If “you didn’t build that” then just keep your mouth shut and be thankful. Why won’t the Jews stop meddling around the entire world, and start trying to build their own communities & change themselves?
It’s not just the Jews, but they seem to be some of the loudest and most offensive proponents of Americans surrendering their sovereignty to foreign and domestic monolithic power groups. You’d think, after having been “patted and rolled and marked with the B” they’d have a little more sense. Oy Vey!
Quotes From Jewish Week & Jewish Media
National Council of Jewish Women called on “federal and state leaders to enact tougher laws to control the sale and possession of guns. Guns are dangerous weapons and have no place on our streets, in our communities, or in our schools.”
Newtown, CT Rabbi Shaul Praver: “Gun Control, Anti-Bullying Policies Are Vital”
“Organizations welcoming Obama’s initiative included Jewish Women International, the Reform movement’s Religious Action Center, B’nai B’rith International, the National Jewish Democratic Council, the Conservative movement’s Rabbinical Assembly and Bend the Arc: A Jewish Partnership for Justice, as well as leading Jewish lawmakers such as Ben Cardin (D-Md.) and many others.”
“100,000 worshippers in more than 150 congregations of all faiths will participate in the event organized by PICO National Network’s Lifelines to Healing Campaign, in partnership with Mayors Against Illegal Guns, a cause championed by Mayor Michael Bloomberg.”
“In Israel, gun licenses are only given out to those who have a reason because they work in security or law enforcement, or those who live in settlements “where the state has an interest in them being armed.”
Israel’s gun laws are the opposite of America’s. Only those who have a license can bear arms and most citizens can not get a license.
Once they order their firearm from a gun store, they are allowed to take it home with a one-time supply of 50 bullets, which they cannot renew.”
“Jews want to enjoy lazy days behind the stove, to get fat and fart, boasting in a blasphemous way to be lords of Christians” – Martin Luther, bane of TPTB since the 1500s.
Martin Luther – The Jews & Their Lies – 1543
Tor and Mr X,
My motto had been, show me a Jew or a black for gun control and I will show you a blithering idiot (holocaust and slavery, respectfully).
As for the Jews, my thoughts have rapidly gone from admiring them for their love of education especially in math, physics, and science to utter disgust and distrust.
And it is not just the lefty jews who are the enemies of gun rights. Charles krauthammer, who the right always like to quote, is a big gun grabber too.
I try to look at people as individuals but if one is objective in one’s thinking then trends and patterns cannot be dismissed either.
It’s maddening when the Jews, Blacks, Women, & Gays, gloat & prattle about all the freedom they have obtained for themselves and a marvelous victory for all humanity as well.
Are they really that blind that every step forward the State allows them means two steps back, more cages, & more shackles for the rank and file of humanity not in one of their special groups?
Nice compilation. I am going to print it off. It will make a good list for future indictments.
I keep thinking there is something I want to add to this discussion, but then I read a little farther and someone else has already said it.
I will emphasize this – what makes anyone think that LEOs will draw their line in the sand on this issue when they have not done so on any previous encroachment on our HUMAN (not “citizens'”) rights. Maybe a few are beginning to do so inre: cannabis. But have they refused to enrich themselves/their departments by means of asset forfeiture laws that clearly violate the 4th and 5th Amendments?
BTW,the NRA are a bunch of weenies (polite word) always willing to cooperate on “reasonable” restrictions on gun ownership. “shall not be infringed” means no restrictions, especially on convicted felons who are among those most in need of self defense.
“I am not a “tough guy.” I am not looking for a fight. Rather, I desperately wish to avoid one. I’m a middle-aged American just trying to live my life, work, enjoy my pastimes and my friends and family. To be an American. A free American. I dearly value my life. Which is precisely why, if I am backed into a corner by those who refuse to leave me be – even though I harm none – then I will turn and fight. God help me”
I wish I could get more people to understand this stance. This is the Libertarian ethic, in so many words. This IS ALL we ask and ALL I want others to understand. God Bless You Eric!
I refuse to concede any privately owned firearm under unjust decree, and hereby consider any deliberate act to appropriate such property as one of violable encroachment: down with tyranny!
Unfortunately the mainstream “conservatives” are already giving us up. They endlessly pontificate upon how these aren’t “real” assault weapons, as those have already been banned. The fact is that the NFA and GCA 68 and the rest are illegal laws. Precluded and nullified by the second amendment.
Then they mewl and howl about assault rifles aren’t the problem most crimes are committed with handguns (pop quiz- anyone know what a handgun is? A: It doesn’t have wheels or a crew serving it). Then they’ll be surprised when the totalitarian push shifts to sidearms!
Then they’ll yap about how the right to be armed isn’t absolute as you surely don’t have the right to own an artillery piece, or a tank, or a jet fighter, or a nuclear weapon. I guess I have to ask why not, aside from the expense. I have the right, but that’s why the Constitution provides for a standing navy and magazines and armories, to be sure that weapons too expensive for most individuals are available in time of need.
Good luck friends. These are our real enemies. The obvious marxists are laughable but our milquetoast pals will be our undoing. Just never assume that good guy cops will help you- there’s too few and they compromise by putting on the suit.
What too few realize is that the existence of well armed and anonymous citizens are the balance of power and that is the only thing that has prevented military coup and civil war in this federation.
Don’t register anything. Be ready for anything. Make the most of the present because tomorrow isn’t guaranteed.
anyone have an answer to my 6:10 comment posted above?
Google “New York Gun Legislation” and you will have all the info you need!
The people will willingly give their right to bare arms away. My proof is as simple as a short trip to your local airport. I assume that you and your family as well as Joshua Boston(USMC) travel by air. Where you willingly submit to the unlawfull/illegal tresspass against your and your families person,property and God given rights.
If a suppossidly free people let corporate officers fondle and physicaly molest themselves and their dear ones in a public venue for the the sake of convenient travel between point A to point B . Than these same free people will let differant groups of corporate agents sieze there private property at thier front doors.
A people who allow a physical tresspass against their God given rights in public will enslave themselves to a dead corporate entity in private for the sake of priviledge that is given or taken from same.
A people who allow physical abuse and tresspass upon themselves in order to get on a plane in public will gladly hand over their private property and right of self defense when push comes to shove on their front door step.
To turn a flock of sheep you only have to turn a small number of the flock. A few barking dogs and a big stick and the flock turns.The quickest way is to use a judas goat but that is for another post.
I do not travel where I my rights are trampled upon neither will I allow my family to do the same.
I haven’t flown in years – because I will not submit to the TSA. This has cost me professionally (I am unable to attend the car manufacturer’s “ride and drive” events, at which journalists are given access to new cars before they are available to the public) as well as personally ( I have not seen my parents, who live on the other side of the country, in several years).
I agree that all too many people do Submit & Obey. I am not one of them. And there are others out there. More all the time, I suspect.
I sympathise with this. It’s a shame to have to make those sorts of sacrifices because of the way the world is these days. But I really respect your attitude of refusing to be swayed. Sadly, that’s an attitude you don’t see often enough. It’s also a shame that to stand your ground isn’t something that a lot of people respect – quite the opposite (as I’m sure people here will be well aware), the prevailing attitude seems to be that libertarianism is a childlish mentality and that you need to ‘grow up’, ‘stop being stupid/selfish’ etc.
I’ve always been naturally quiet and reserved yet utterly stubborn and strong-willed when it comes to individual freedom, so I find the passivity and compliance that’s so predominant in ‘society’ is lamentable. It’s therefore heartening that there are people who have the courage to stand their ground.
I myself haven’t flown for years and don’t feel any need or inclination to (though, given my libertarian views, a one-way flight to New Hampshire would be tempting!)
“According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics …, a total of 631,939,829 passengers boarded domestic flights in the United States in the year 2010.” …
“Most air travelers in the U.S. take only one to four trips by air per year (81%). Twelve percent fly five to nine times per year, and seven percent are frequent flyers taking 10 or more air trips per year. While the proportion of frequent flyers is much lower in comparison, they take many more air trips on average per year.”
The population of the entire unitedstate is about 300,000,000
So maybe the airport crowd sample isn’t the best gauge of the whole? Just of People who Really want to get where they are going.
I believe the numbers, if they bothered, and I don’t see how they’d even get the figure, that there were far less passengers, but they obviously travel more than anyone else for work reasons.
Sorry to say, but gun ownership has not turned out to be a panacea for trampling on liberty. Our ancestors already sold that birthright out when they accepted the notion of “safety from gangsters” and machineguns were regulated under the 1934 firearms act. I doubt people are going to much to actively resist a gun grab — most people who aren’t going go along with the law will simply find places to hide them. A few people will be searched, their guns found, then a general amnesty will be offered so people can avoid going to prison as well. In the meantime, the currency will continued to be devalued, we’ll all have a camera jammed up our butts to make sure we’re eating enough fiber, and the security state will march on. Most people care a lot more about who’s going to win the Super Bowl, Survivor, or American Idol. Sure, we can educate people, but only if they’re educable in the first place. Most people have not taken — nor will they ever take — the “red pill.” Sorry to be pessimistic, but it seems to me that’s how things are ultimately going.
Some Guy, cheer up man! You’re about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
I’m astonished at how many more people are waking up. Just yesterday I pulled up at Whole Foods–a fairly granola crowd–and there’s a black guy in a big SUV thumping bass. I was wearing my Infowars “Mass Murderers Agree–Gun Control Works!” with its Hitler, Stalin, and Mao pictures.
As I get out of my car, he rolls down his window, turns off the music, and yells “Hey man! Great shirt, Alex Jones!” Picking my jaw up off the asphalt I saunter over and chat to the guy. He’s been listening for five years, and he’s noticed an exponential increase in people waking up.
Say goodbye to him, head into the store.
A little old lady, probably 70ish, walked up to me and grabbed my arm. She looked at me with “the look”–that steely-eyed, determined, calm look–and said “Young man that shirt is exactly right. We have to keep our guns no matter what!”
So there you go. Whole Foods, middle of Houston, We Are the Resistance.
It’s going to be a tough road. But we are FAR from alone.
Whole Foods? Or do you mean “whole paycheck”. Damn, but those guys are expensive! I need to set up a stand nearby offering munchies for this crowd because they seem more than happy to spend.
24 million North Koreans (TLD = .kp) have only a few dozen websites that are outside accessible . Surprisingly, the English material I read was either Infowars or UK newspapers.
If they would only add NAP to their Juche, they might yet win their battle against the infinite-loop Jedi Knights v. Imperial Fleet flim-flam-suckerpunch.
Host-China Unicom – Shenyang – DPRK border
Inside the DPRK’s IP address space by Star JV
My Country Computer Center on Star JV
NK State News
NK Faster Sports Fun
Some Guy wrote: “most people who aren’t going go along with the law will simply find places to hide them.”
Please tell us how you know this? Was there a survey?
Some Guy wrote: “Most people care a lot more about who’s going to win the Super Bowl, Survivor, or American Idol.”
That may be true, however; that is likely Only as long as the credit fueled bubble flows gently, or…?
Also, People I’ve previously placed in the dumb zombie slot have recently been saying some things that shocked me to hear about, real thoughtful stuff, quite the opposite of your everyday dumb zombie going-on to get-along.
Gun Ownership: American Exceptionalism
“we are seeing the most remarkable American resistance movement that I can recall in my lifetime. …
And so, family by family, they will utter those lines: “You and who else?” …
I will not submit and I will not obey! No gang has any right to dictate to me how and with what I choose to defend myself with. The fact these thugs want to disarm me for their own causes proves I must defend myself with the very weapons they will use against me.
I read the article Greg–good stuff! I especially like the idea of asking one of the 250 million murdered by government in the last century “Given what you know now, would you have given up your arms?”
Tough love man.
And as far as “arms” goes, we haven’t even brought up the subject of the many millions of knives, crossbows, axes, and other deadly weapons in the hands of millions of Americans, some with and some without guns. We’re talking about numbers that make the number of guns out there look sickly by comparison.
I disagree, Eric. I don’t think there will be any registration or confiscation attempt at the federal level. They are going to try to restrict “high capacity” magazines. In the end, I don’t think that will get through if people keep the heat on their slavers in Congress.
However you may be proved correct if some of these shootings were staged. I’m suspicious of Sandy Hook. If it was staged, that means a maternity ward (or pediatric cancer unit, etc) is next. We’ll see what happens under sustained attack.
However you may be proved correct if some of these shootings were staged. I’m suspicious of Sandy Hook. If it was staged, that means a maternity ward (or pediatric cancer unit, etc) is next. We’ll see what happens under sustained attack.
By now even the densest among us should be asking themselves the following:
“How come all of a sudden, within the span of just a couple of months, a rash of random shootings has broken out without any identifiable cause, shootings of a type that occurred previously only once per decade, if even that often? Has anything radically, suddenly, and fundamentally changed the socioeconomic or environmental makeup of the nation that would prompt this? Obviously not, so what the fuck else could cause this other than a false flag operation?”
The good news –and I can attest to this personally– is that even the densest among us ARE finally starting to ask this question. And that is what has TPTB shitting all over themselves to the point of their masks slipping off and the real monsters beneath them being exposed for the first time. Witness the naked gun-grab attempt, minus all of the necessary subtlety required to pull the wool over the sheeple’s eyes and disarm them without a peep of protest.
When they’re that visibly desperate, folks, it’s a sign that we’re winning.
The medical profession has been drugging millions of people with chemicals that are known to produce violent behavior as a side effect. Most with these side effects just kill themselves. But every few months one goes on a shooting spree first.
The question is it only a conspiracy between pharmaceutical companies and the government regulatory agencies to make money or is it deeper and broader than that?
I’d add to this John Taylor Gatto’s observations in re government schools deliberately alienating the individual – in order to prepare him for an alienated (unnatural) life. Some chafe at this. A few inevitably lash out – like a dog that’s been beaten too much.
Yes, the schools. A key ingredient in the mix. It is in the school where the pain begins. It is in the school where the initiation of events that lead to drugging occur.
Most americans do not see the schools the way I see them, the way Gatto knows them to be, the way most of us here understand them. They cannot fathom why. But it should be obvious. Where were they hurt? What destroyed their lives?
It’s plainly obvious.
“How come all of a sudden, within the span of just a couple of months, a rash of random shootings has broken out without any identifiable cause, shootings of a type that occurred previously only once per decade, if even that often?
I know man. It just doesn’t add up.
We all know about the boiling frog anecdote. This is a case of TPTB screwing up by turning up the temperature of the water a tad too fast.
Suddenly even the the most dull-witted frogs that atre being boiled notice it and realize something is wrong.
Suddenly Toto knocks over the screen concealing the Great Wizard of Oz.
Being lazy and simple minded, Americans have failed epically, they have microwaved their frogs at the highest wattage.
America is like a braying donkey, who thinks he is Secretariat.
It is pathetic watching our DC-Comics trying trying to pull off Old World Style subterfuge.
The Brits, & the Vatican have led America into WWI, WWII against the Protestant Germanic peoples, slowly while covering their tracks.
The Jews, Extraction Industry, & Banking Cartels have lead America into multiple Gulf Wars & Middle Eastern Wars just recently. Their fingerprints have been wiped clean in the crime scene.
We have wikileaked and youtubed our national criminals for all to see. Now, America has only the fair weather friendship of the UK & Israel.
Germans, Japan, & Korea remain our allies only so long as we can afford to Bribe & Occupy them militarily.
Soon, the dollar will collapse, and 200 “united nations -1” of 6.7 Billion are going to join together and come at America bearing very big sticks.
The “united nations -1” will smash open the American Clown-Donkey Pinata and take all the peoples’ candy and goodies for themselves. They will leave only ragged Papier-mâché scraps of rainbow colored tissues of lies in the wake of their Code Red World Wide Party.
Live long and prosper future China, Germany, India, Japan, Russia, and the rest of the Surplus Productive Great Powers of the world.
The Super Power becometh the Super Scapegoat.
Enjoy your great prosperity and blamelessness, for a great period known as the Pax Sine Americae hath begun.
The only bright spot in this whole dismal scene is the possibility of Schumpeter’s “Creative Destruction.”
Maybe, just maybe, a genuinely free social order can emerge from the ashes.
It’s the classic case of a badly run company whose stock must bottom out, and which must undergo radical restructuring before it can hope to rebound.
“And that is what has TPTB shitting all over themselves to the point of their masks slipping off and the real monsters beneath them being exposed for the first time. Witness the naked gun-grab attempt, minus all of the necessary subtlety required to pull the wool over the sheeple’s eyes and disarm them without a peep of protest. When they’re that visibly desperate, folks, it’s a sign that we’re winning”
Agreed 100 percent! The hysteria we’re seeing is very telling. My sense of things is they realize they’ve overplayed their hand and now are frantic to seal the deal while they still can.
But, what worries me a great deal is that because of this urgency – and their imminent sense of failure – a major “event” may be conjured for purposes of re-framing the debate. While it is joyous that so many people are waking up, it is still not enough – and not far along enough. An “event” of sufficient magnitude would have most Americans braying like love-sick mules for an all-encompassing police state – though it would not be called that, of course. Verordnung des Reichspräsidenten zum Schutz von Volk und Staat….
Did WTC Disaster = The Reichstag Fire?
To help stimulate urban renewal, David Rockefeller suggested that the Port Authority build a World Trade Center in Lower Manhattan. New Jersey objected to Fed funding so they were made a 2nd partner in the Federal Pork Project. WTC was jointly owned by the NY & NJ Port Authorities.
Larry Silverstein(net worth $4 Bil) won the bid to lease the entire property under Gov. Pataki’s privatization scheme on July 24, 2001.
Silverstein spent his weekday mornings in breakfast meetings at Windows on the World on top of the World Trade Center North Tower. However, the morning of September 11, 2001, his wife had insisted he attend a medical appointment with his dermatologist.
This disaster happened in a Government funded and controlled building, not all that different than the Reichstag situation if you think about it.
Certainly there are many Jewish nationalists, possibly including Silverstein, who see this type of false flag disaster as a necessary evil to bring about the greater good of a safer and more secure Israel and containment of the “menace” of Islam.
Tim Osama(OBL) of CIA-Da has also greatly benefitted. His intelligence organization has greatly expanded all over the Middle East and Africa in numerous Arab Spring type operations.
Everybody Wins & gets a big trillion dollar slice of good old American Pie. The penniless & plucked American chickens now huddle tighter than ever to the security theater and Stalinist Overlords and their Evil Genius Conspirators.
Excellent Tor! A good overview…and I especially love the reference to Stalin’s plucked chicken. It’s one of my favorite political pastiches.
Anyone who still believes The Official NahOneOne Story is deluded.
On another thread I described the astonishing meeting we had last week with a realtor.
We’re looking for some country property closer to us than our Arkansas place. This little old lady in the boonies of East Texas and I were chatting while she pulled the property details. Got onto the 2nd Amendment etc., and I asked in a very non-leading way, “Ma’am, what did you think about the Sandy Hook thing?”
And without hesitating, in a thoughtful tone she said “I’ve been thinking about it and talking to my husband and there’s something not right about the whole thing. I think it stinks! They’re not telling us what really happened”.
So yes–the Great Awakening is proceeding fantastically!
But they’re gonna false-flag us. Hard.
Trouble is–Sandy Hook has been deconstructed in less than a MONTH! They must be livid.
I’m not sure they can pull one over at this point.
But they can start WWIII.
Are they psychotic enough to pull the world in over themselves as they lay their own graves? Or are they SO psychotic they think they can pull a Logan’s Run and emerge from their underground cities five years from now…after the multiple plagues have died out?
I’ve noticed the same thing. My 84-year-old father is a Ron Paul fan – thanks to his son who shall remain nameless – and told me he feels so frustrated that there’s nothing he can do about the foreign wars. And he’s retired military!
He also got fed up with BofA and switched to a credit union. He’d been with them for decades.
I’m also surprised how many people working in govt contract industries ( what isn’t anymore ) get it too.
Times is a changing.
Could someone fill me on what’s going on in NY, and discussed in the first two sentences of the article? Is it a total gun (for the politically unfavored) ban?
Check this out.
Feinstein Gun Control Bill to Exempt Government Officials
The Weekly Standard
January 25, 2013
Not everyone will have to abide by Senator Dianne Feinstein’s gun control bill. If the proposed legislation becomes law, government officials and others will be exempt.
“Mrs. Feinstein’s measure would exempt… weapons used by government officials, law enforcement and retired law enforcement personnel,” the Washington Times reports.
Gee. Surprise, surprise.
For maximum blood pressure, always read America’s 4th largest newspaper, New York Daily News, for your NY news, every word is infuriating.
NY Gun Ban Results
I will NOT initiate violence. However, I do pledge my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor in defense of liberty and my God-given rights. If or when they come to take my guns and to take away my right of self-defense, I will give my guns up one bullet at a time. I will surely be killed in the process, and that is my choice – to stand for liberty. μολὼν λαβέ
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt . . .” — Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
I’m with you, Kitty. And that’s my favorite Solzhenitsyn quote!
I think a lot of people are failing to understand the technology available to the gungrabbers and hence the tactics that will be used.
I do not foresee any stormtroopers kicking in doors in the middle of the night with the citizens shooting it out in a blaze of glory with their unregistered guns.
Helicopters and trucks are already equipped with x-rays that can see through walls and positively identify any firearms within a house whether in a safe or stashed behind the drywall.
The grabbers merely have to identify the weapons in the house, wait for you to go to work and then kick in the door, shoot your dogs, terrify your family, grab the guns and go – no warrant necessary . And when you get out of your car at work there will be nicely dressed men and women there to arrest you.
So how do citizens fight back?
I am just spit-balling here but I guess they could identify the members of these smash and grab gubment teams then follow them to, say a bar or wallmart, and maybe while in the restroom put a ballpin hammer to their temple. Or maybe burn down their homes. Or knife them in their driveways. If one was so inclined…
War, even fourth generation war, is a ghastly business…
Well,firearms can be broken down,carefully stored and buried,no need to have stashed in home.I believe though the first few grabs as they make the news will result in a huge backlash against the govt.,then,it is time for people to decide how far they are willing to go to protect themselves and their natural rights.
I call BS.
While the technical ability exists to see through walls, it is not mass produced, not easy to use, not infallible, and certainly not suitable for using in a helicopter.
Using microwaves powerful enough to penetrate a SAFE FROM THE AIR would destroy all the avionics in the flight platform.
There’s a big difference from a defense contractor setting up a show under carefully controlled conditions, and flying over houses at 1000 feet and identifying everything in that house.
There are HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF GUNS IN THE US. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF GUN-OWNERS IN THE US.
So, lets say there were only 100 million gun owners in the US. And let’s say there were 10,000 such microwave helicopters (almost totally impossible), and that they could identify every item in the house after 20 minutes of scanning (fantastically optimistic). (In case you didn’t know, Imagery Intelligence is analyst intensive – computers aren’t good at identifying objects from images).
Then, presuming the weapons never changed hands or moved within the home, it would take AT LEAST THREE YEARS to scan all the homes ONE TIME.
AND THEN WHAT WILL THEY DO ABOUT IT? – THEY HAVE TO COME AND GET THE SUPPOSED ‘PERPETRATOR’. IF THEY JUST BOMB THEM, THE PUBLIC WILL BE ALARMED AND THOSE PLANES WILL FIND NO SAFE PLACE TO LAND.
Do not mentally assign government with supernatural powers. It is a bureaucracy with guns.
We couldn’t get all the guns out of Iraq or Afghanistan given the best of technology, hundreds of thousands of troops, and OVER A DECADE of effort. Neither IRAQ NOR AFGHANISTAN have ANYTHING LIKE as high a percentage of gun-owners as the US.
It would take an Army of tens of millions to secure the US against an unwilling, and armed populace, and would be TOTALLY LOGISTICALLY UNSUSTAINABLE.
No fuel OR no food, = no Army. No GIGANTIC Army = no gun confiscation.
Exactly right man!
People don’t think through the logistics of these things. The one thing the tyrants desperately need is our consent.
Withdraw it, and they’ll kick and scream; they’ll raid a few unpopular people and kill’em dead to show us serfs they mean business.
Don’t fall for it. They’ll expect us to meekly hand in the guns after a couple more Wacos. Instead, film them, show them for what they are and keep recruiting people.
And keep your guns.
As for Iraq and Afghanistan–I keep using those examples too, because the idiots who think we can’t fight back against the US military haven’t considered logistics again.
It won’t take long before their bases are cordoned off, their supplies interdicted, their families under threat, and their utilities cut off. They have to live somewhere; are they going to fly them in from aircraft carriers?
Wait them out.
Meantime we all have to work on our state legislatures to pass intra-state gun laws, like Montana, Kentucky, Wyoming and others. Laws that allow any gun or ammo made in that state and sold to a state resident in defiance of federal gun laws.
Texas guns for Texas people, feds fuck off!
They have to live somewhere; are they going to fly them in from aircraft carriers?
This is a crucial but often overlooked point.
When one encounters “The Government’s” thugs on the street in full riot gear, with all their logistical support, they may seem invulnerable.
But as you astutely noted, come quitting time, they are no different than us. They are all a couple of hundred pounds of flesh and blood. They all have families of their own. They all have homes that are probably just as easy to breach as one’s own.
Some suggested earlier on that Facebook style profiles for all LEOs in the USSA should be posted online.
Include photographs of them, of their homes, of their cars, and their street addresses.
Sort of a “Get to know your local law enforcement officials” community outreach program.
And this doesn’t even take into account the effects of the inevitable economic meltdown that will occur in the very near future. Once that meltdown happens –and it most assuredly will, much sooner than anyone suspects– most of these gubbimint thugs, whether “civilian” cop or military, who have families to support will be just as thoroughly fucked as the rest of us. Exactly what incentive will they have to slaughter their fellow citizens on behalf of the Regime? Not a paycheck, that’s for sure. The “dollahs” that Uncle Slob will try to pay them in will be worth less than the Monopoly money in their kids’ game boards and the toilet paper they wipe their asses with.
Will TPTB pay their Praetorian Guard in gold bouillon? Now that would be interesting. From exactly where would gold of such required quantity come from? The stock of (non-existent and long since sold/stolen) German gold that that government is demanding back from the Fed?
Will the displaced mercenaries turn into an army of brigands that resorts to ravaging the cities and towns, stealing from their fellow citizens? If so, can they organize in groups large enough to overcome the armed citizen militias that will certainly resist them? It’s tempting to believe that these vermin will be armed with “the latest and greatest” hi-tech stuff that supposedly gives them an edge. HOWEVER, it is unlikely that a sufficient quantity of this will fall into their hands to do any damage and it’s equally unlikely that a sufficient number of the cops-and-soldier-turned-brigands are skilled enough in its use to do widespread and lasting damage.
Finally, it all boils down to this: neither the U.S. military nor the paramilitary police are capable of fighting a Fourth Generation war, which is exactly what any civil conflict in the U.S. will rapidly degenerate into. Never in its history has the U.S. military, in particular, been successful at such a war and it will not become so in the future. Why not? Because asymmetric warfare, by its very nature, is decentralized, flexible, and adaptable in nature – traits that the corrupt, institutionally sclerotic, and bureaucratized U.S. military, ruined by over half a century of institutional and cultural rot, are incapable of adopting.
Finally, it all boils down to this: neither the U.S. military nor the paramilitary police are capable of fighting a Fourth Generation war, which is exactly what any civil conflict in the U.S. will rapidly degenerate into.
I tend to agree.
I would imagine a classic “Battle of Algiers” scenario, in which the more tyrannically “The Government” behaves, the more determined the resistance becomes, and the more inevitable the rebellion’s victory becomes.
… directed by Gillo Pontecorvo. The film has been critically celebrated and often taken, by insurgent groups and states alike, as an important commentary on urban guerilla warfare.
As far as I can tell, the existence of the Second Amendment has done absolutely nothing to discourage increasingly criminal government from enforcing bad laws and making new bad laws.
That’s largely because an insufficient number of Us The People have, to date, been sufficiently pissed off at the depredations of Our Overlords to put the blessings of T2A to the test. I believe that may be changing as we now correspond here.
I enjoyed the responses to my post. Maybe I did not express myself properly because I agree with them all.
The point I was trying to make is that we would have to fight back using fourth generational warfare rather than going with head to head attacks. We must use the PEST to our advantage.
You may be right El Gordo but we must recognize that the gubment does have technology we citizens do not. How to combat it must be part of our strategy and tactics.
There is a difference between thinking the gubment is all powerful (it is not) and ensuring to not make the same mistake that repeats itself throughout history – underestimating the enemy. Which, btw, I think the gungrabbers are doing with us.
Our biggest enemy is not going to be the gubment it will be our own fellow “citizens”. Guerrilla warfare requires the support of the people. Maybe I am too pessimistic but there are just too many clovers and dolts in amerika who will denounce us.
There are 280 million reasons I will not give up my firearms to anyone.This is the number of people killed by their own govt. in the 20th century,well documented here:http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM ,nope,just not going to cooperate on any level with this nonsense.
There is reason to be angry. There is no reason to retaliate.
Contemporary military thought rests on one proposition – CONCENTRATION OF FORCE. In military literature it is called MASS.
MASS is about concentrating EFFECTS at a given point in time.
You must not attack anything. Attacking them in return only legitimizes their actions.
What you SHOULD do is organize to defend yourselves. There are simply too many gun-owners in the US for them to do this cleanly.
Start a neighborhood watch made up of armed people. Practice responding to a home in need of armed help. Be responsible. Help your neighbors. This is useful in fighting crime – including government crime.
It is extremely unlikely that government forces would be able to concentrate more than a dozen or two dozen people to enact a confiscation. There are simply too few of them and too many gun-owners.
Be ready to overwhelm them. In doing so you will also be ready to overwhelm armed robbers without a badge, home invaders of all sorts, rapists, etc.
Finally, if they are really determined, they may concentrate their forces, drones, armored vehicles, etc, to make an example of your neighborhood. So, if you cannot defend, then be prepared to capture and distribute witness of their crimes.
DeLa Boettie was right. Ultimate success or failure consists of capturing public support.
If they are going to use murder as their weapon, then let their supporters see what characters they support.
You assume their supporters CARE.
Most of the Sheeple prefer to be asleep. That is why we have stories of CIA assassinations, for example. People don’t WANT to admit the truth grabbing them by the throat, screaming in their face. Far better to stay asleep in the dream…
Besides, who care if a “home explosives workshop” blows up a neighborhood? The neighbors should’ve informed the police! They should’ve known they had a lunatic building bombs in their neighborhood! The police found explosive residue (from a Hellfire missile), so it MUST be true!
No matter how you couch it; this will be an ugly situation, TS-WILL-HTF, and WE will be blamed for it whether we’re guilty or not. Then there’s the false-flag option, and beyond that, there is distribution: claim YouTube is violating intellectual property, they take the video down, maybe delete the account. Same with all others, too, the lawsuits are just too costly. But if MPAA and RICAA can afford to have trolls searching vimeo, youtube, etc, you better bet there are FedGov EEs who check up on “our” boards, look for good targets, look for methods to shut US down.
It’s easy to twist us into the “bad guys.” Ruby Ridge – frist shots fired at a PERSON were by the son, IIRC – at the agent who shot his dog. But the “SON shot” … “FIRST”. (See the shift, remember it, we’re all demons to those who wish to control others; we might as well adapt to it and learn to embrace it. We can cool off when it’s all done. If we’re lucky…)
Great Piece Eric! If we can get through this mess we definitely need to share a celebratory feast together! Know that you and yours are welcome at my place anytime!
One day, I hope we can all get together for a pig roast or some such. Hopefully, after we pass successfully through the shit-storm that’s coming.
The problem we have is the country keeps becoming more urban. It’s easy to sell gun control to people in NY because they have a gazillion cops and cameras everywhere. They’re infused with the state’s love of diversity, global warming schemes and the propaganda of the media. Most truly believe. The increase in urbanization drives the trend toward emasculating, group-think behavior. Also, people may own guns but fear the state’s legal system and 97% federal conviction rate. This will be a long battle. In England there’s a 5yr prison sentence for owning a gun. High taxes, group-think, punishment for acting in self-defense – this is where it’s headed.
I support government funded vasectomies and spaying. I also support an end to immigration.
There are about five billion too many naked apes and millions more are currently on the way.
Tinsley, population control is what the ruling class wants you to believe in. It is something they want to patch over their other interferences in society. It is an expression of their social darwinism and eugenics beliefs.
As I expressed before, the ruling class created the population problem with their need to have everything. To make having many children beneficial to so many across the planet because the global system is to impoverish everyone else. Now that’s not enough for them. So on to the next step, reducing the population.
One interference begets another interference and another and another.
“Funded” and “enforced” are not synonyms. If population continues to increase, everyone will lose.
It is insane to encourage more births the way America is doing.
The poverty isn’t funded. By keeping people producing little each, more people are needed.
Anyway, the only way for top down control to do anything with regards to population control is what many call, the new world order. Empowering a small group to control the human population will bring about unimaginable horrors.
“…the only way for top down control to do anything with regards to population control is what many call, the new world order.”
GMO foods and so on are doing it very effectively – rendering males less and less fertile while contamination of ground water emasculates them with estrogens. It’s not a supposition – it’s a fact.
“If population continues to increase, everyone will lose.”
I don’t know about others, but I am getting Real sick of reading these types of fact-free statements with nothing to back them up.
“The Malthusians always talk about the burden of more mouths to feed. They never talk about the economic benefits of more hands to work and more minds to think creatively beginning two decades later. They ignore the long-term capital returns from a 15-year or 20-year capital investment in morality and education. That is, they are present-oriented and therefore lower-class social theorists.” …
GMO foods and so on are doing it [population control] very effectively – rendering males less and less fertile while contamination of ground water emasculates them with estrogens. It’s not a supposition – it’s a fact.
Citations, please! It’s not clear to me whether you’re trying to link GMO foods with estrogen, but I think that opposition to GMO is misguided. Every plant and every animal on the planet is “genetically modified” many times over. The fact that humans are now tinkering with genes does not frighten me. Note that I’m not claiming that there can not be unintended side effects; I’m only saying that the world and life on it have dealt with the process for billions of years.
You really, really need to research the ugly history of eugenics, “royalty”, and population control to realize it’s an utter scam and a dangerous anti-human lie.
My undergrad was biochem focusing on biophysics and gene manipulation. My mentor was the professor who coaxed E. Coli to make sperm whale myoglobin–the plan was to produce a synthetic blood substitute.
I do agree–gene splicing has tremendous potential.
But–the people doing it are psychopaths, at least the higher-ups. It was just discovered that one of the many promoter sequences they use at Monsanto et al. is an incredibly dangerous sequence that incorporates itself into multiple hosts freely. Meaning–it can and does fuck up other gene expressions.
The genetic manipulation we did before the new technologies was by selective breeding, and respected native sequences; it wasn’t cross-species.
The stuff they’re doing today in several cases could only be intentional poisoning of mammals; using oncovirus sequences, promoters that can “hop”, “stacked” traits.
The experimental outcomes are clear–GMO foods cause a host of problems from gut disorders, renal toxicity, carcinogenesis, to fertility problems.
Some of those may be accidental; the techniques are still quite crude. For example, one way of introducing exo-sequences is to coat tiny gold beads with active genes and shoot them into a bath of cells with a high-voltage cannon. One in a million might survive; one in a thousand of those are viable. Where did the gene go? Nobody knows. What native sequence did it disrupt? What harmful trait did its promoters land next to, promoting not only the desired trait but the bad one too? Nobody knows.
But the Monsanto campus cafeteria does not serve GMO food!
The GMO’s themselves may not contain estrogenic substances–except soy which is naturally full of them–but Eric’s right, the water, plastics, and processed foods are full of pseudo-estrogens.
I’m certainly not going to defend Monsanto. As I’m sure you’re aware, their abuses go far beyond the ones you’ve cited. But GMO is not illegitimized by Monsanto any more than guns are illegitimized by deranged killers.
Should people be cautious about consuming GMO crops? Of course. People should be cautious about consuming ANYTHING. Is the likelihood of undesirable side effects greater with a GMO food than a “natural” food? Quite possibly. As you point out, the techniques are still quite crude. What I’m objecting to is the notion that GMO is ipso facto evil, which I seem to sense from Eric’s post.
But the Monsanto campus cafeteria does not serve GMO food!
That sounded “too good to be true” and in fact it may be a myth (I haven’t delved deeply into the links):
Eric, as I see it GMO foods are a product of top down population reduction efforts.
GMO foods are a direct result of the corporatist system. Approved by the FDA. Never required to be listed on the label.
GMO would fail in a free market, one with mechanisms to deal with fraud. People wouldn’t eat it. Wouldn’t buy it.
GMO isn’t a bottom up mistake. It’s a top down program. One could say that the fertility issues are just a random side effect to GMO or countless other things that are ultimately the result of policies and intellectual property laws created at the highest levels of the pyramid.
That’s my take on it. There are many examples of bottom up population reduction, but GMO imo is not one of them.
JDL, if you look at the process of creating GMO food crops you’ll find what I did. A level of astounding ignorance of what they are really doing and something that isn’t even remotely natural. This isn’t cross breeding for desirable traits. This is cross species gene insertion with no clue what else is changing or going along for the ride.
This isn’t cross breeding for desirable traits. This is cross species gene insertion
Yes, I’m aware of the difference between intra-species cross-breeding and cross-species gene insertion.
… something that isn’t even remotely natural.
What’s up with the worship only of things that are “natural”? Cars aren’t “natural”. Computers aren’t “natural”. Cameras aren’t “natural”. Almost none of the wonderful things that humans create are “natural”. So what??
I don’t worship at the altar of “natural” qua itself, but I’m keenly aware that all systems co-evolve. Plants make some super-nasty toxins; we counter with new liver cytochrome enzymes to break them down. Plants counter with cytochrome inhibitors; we learn to tack on a few saccharides or sulfates to solubilize the toxin.
And the battle goes on–at evolutionary speed.
Now ram a bacterial protein into a plant cell, promote the hell out of it with a plant virus oncogene–and you introduce a wildcard that we can’t adapt to in an evolutionary timescale.
And that’s assuming the wildcards are accidental; they’re not. Many of the top guys in gene engineering are not surprisingly eugenicists…and at the top of that chain, it’s a death-cult.
THAT’S why I abhor GMO’s, not because I deplore the technology. It has enormous promise and I hope it’s developed properly.
But as others have pointed out, it’s also not a market solution. GMO crop yields are inferior to organic over a five-year period. Bugs are already resistant to Bt toxin, weeds have already adapted to massive amounts of glyphosate (Round-Up*), and the much-vaunted drought-resistant genes aren’t working as planned.
* glyphosate itself is an endocrine disruptor that decreases fertility.
A car does not change the programming and structure of life on this planet. If you want a machine analogy, have you ever seen one of the worst star trek episodes ever made called “Spock’s Brain”? While it’s a pretty crappy episode there are some key things about its premise that are insightful. Essentially a high tech civilization no longer knows how to run their machines. They steal spock’s brain to be new master controller of their giant city-complex.
Now imagine changing the programming of such a vast machine you only have a kinda-sorta-idea how it works. You just essentially shotgun change things hoping for the best with this 1/1000 or less of a clue you have using essentially the grace of a sledgehammer.
That is what is being done with genetic modification. No back ups. just hammering away at the programming of life on this planet. Not going with the machine. It’s worse than a dumb teenager with access to the programming of his car.
You may object to the word ‘natural’, but it is to express the difference between operating with the backups and safeguards in place that cross pollination and so forth does vs this no back up reckless without a clue modification in one word.
I loved that episode!
Especially the “re-installation” of Spock’s brain part. Remember? McCoy puts on a helmet that gives him advanced surgical knowledge so that he can perform the procedure… same concept as in The Matrix (Judo, etc.).
“Tinsley, population control is what the ruling class wants you to believe in.”
From a financial point of view the opposite seems to be the case. It sure as hell ain’t the Bluecollars that support welfare and other insane programs. But it is the Bluecollars and other wage-earners who are forced to contribute financially to programs that utterly detest.
Programs that are utterly detestable.
Yes, but in NY there is already open defiance. That is an incredibly heartening sign, as far as I am concerned!
Recent Gary North article on this got it right:
“Usually, Americans worry that the government can impose major sanctions on them as individuals, and therefore they cooperate, in the naïve belief that the government will single them out and make trouble for them. But it is obvious that in the case of gun ownership, there will be widespread resistance.”
People know they can’t be demonized if they resist in this issue. They have the moral high ground. Gun ownership is a tradition going back to before 1776. (By the way, there were no school shootings in this traditional society. Not until after the 1960s leftist movement attacked traditional society.)
There are not enough police to go door to door with warrants.
There would be massive resistance in small towns and counties. The law enforcement there have to be reelected. They would not dare go after people’s guns, people who are their friends and relatives. The sheriffs themselves own private guns.
Violent crime is down 40 percent since 1991, while gun ownership has risen dramatically. People protect themselves against criminals.
Meanwhile violent crime has risen dramatically in Britain and Australia after guns were banned. (Google for exact figures if you like.)
This is not pro-gun and anti-gun. This is pro-defense and anti-defense.
What I find interesting is the group most vocal
within government trying to push for this gun ban.
And the owners of mainstream media in league with Witch
Feinstein and Warlock Bloomberg.
In order not to be overtly suspicious I see they’ve recruited useful idiot/goyim Cuomo and a few others to their depraved bandwagon.
May they be totally defeated.
I’m a fairly consistent long time reader of your columns and feel compelled to say that this is your finest essay. Finest because it is addressing the fundamental issue that defines a free state versus a police state, no matter the words employed by those who see themselves as the people’s political masters.
I am convinced that Obama will use every tool and cheap political trick in his arsenal of “freedom”-robbing schemes to have his way on this one. Since he is really nothing more than a yes man for the unseen government, it is easy to see how he would throw two hundred years of a people’s freedom down the drain in order to eliminate a major obstacle to full-out totalitarian rule.
It is a bit more speculative in predicting what will be the answers to the politiicians, from those having the very core of their liberty highjacked by the federal government.
I would hope that most of us simply refuse to register guns, that most of us will have forgotten where they could have been misplaced, and so on.
One of the repeated arguments I read from people is that it is crazy to think that we with our shotguns and hunting rifles and pistols can mount a meaningful defense against the state with their sound-cannons, 50 caliber weapons systems, and so on.
To which I say, it is better to have a fighting chance than no chance at all. Should the citizenry motiviated to keep the second amendment be reduced to occupancy status in body bags, the bad guys will have won, albeit temporarily.
I can think of far worse ways to leave this mortal coil than in defense of inalienable freedoms. Should push come to shove, I hope and pray my fellow americans will have the courage of their convictions.
God bless you for all you do.
~Trevor W. Heaver
Thank you, Trevor –
In absolute seriousness, now is the time to hang together… not necessarily to fight (I still have hope that can be avoided) but to make it clear that we will, if they leave us no choice.
Meanwhile, as Meth says, our primary object must be to rip the cloak of legitimacy away from the thug-state and expose it for what it is: a Mafia, nothing more. It is not interested in “protecting” us – it is interested in power. Absolute, limitless power.
We know this.
Our task is to see to it that as many of our fellow Americans as possible are awakened to this reality in time to avert a catastrophe – or at least, to assure that what comes after the catastrophe which may now be inevitable is an improvement over the current state of affairs.
Eric, my fear is not of the openly tyrannical bureaucrats, drugged up newsreaders at MSNBC, or the deranged demagogues (Bloomie, Barry and Holder, etc). Beware of the phony conservatives and pretend libertarians.
Can you identify the fugazi who said the following after the Columbine massacre:
“First, we believe in absolutely gun-free, zero-tolerance, totally safe schools. That means no guns in America’s schools, period.”
And name the organization that compromised with Chris Dodd’s father (D-CT) and SUPPORTED the Gun Control Act of 1968….
And could someone explain why the GOP-dominated House Of Reps still funds the BATFE, despite Operation Fast and Furious? And why didn’t little Mitt Romney did not even bring this up during the debates?
“One of the repeated arguments I read from people is that it is crazy to think that we with our shotguns and hunting rifles and pistols can mount a meaningful defense against the state with their sound-cannons, 50 caliber weapons systems, and so on.”
Yep, they don’t address the obvious fact that one ambusher with an old pump action 12 gauge can collect several M-16s from a small group of over-armed donut addicts.
That point was made by John Ross in his novel “Unintended Consequences” in the telling of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising story. The arming of the ghetto’s jews was accomplished, starting with a single .38 revolver, which was used to take a German soldier’s weapons and ammo.
The arming progressed from there.
Sometimes luck lies in the “creative” preparations.
Superior forces always have their vulnerabilities. The revolutionary war was a case in point. Those revolutionary war terrorists won over a superior force by not “following the rules”.
In a battle between force and creativity, my money is on creativity. Conventional forces cannot train for everything, and don’t seem to do well confronted with unknown or novel situations.
The folks in the Warsaw Ghetto has nothing to lose and got creative/desperate…… A small explosive device against a patrol would have served if they didn’t have that .38 revolver.
The locals in Iraq and Afghanistan seem to be surviving against the largest, most heavily armed military occupying force in the world. Once they figure-out how to detect and jam incoming drones, things will get more interesting (and not in a good way).
Modern forces are very dependent on their electronic toys. Deprived of those tools/toys by jamming or other means could negate a lot of training/tactical advantages.
Just for fun, I have collected almost everything published by Paladin Press over the years. Inexpensive and entertaining just-in-case preparations. Ragnar Benson titles are always an interesting read too. Some of that stuff is pure BS, and the rest illustrates the possibilities within creative improvisation. Pre-1950 chemistry textbooks are worth collecting too.
If “firearms” are banned, there are many other options. A historical example: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/the_46_caliber_semi-automatic_rifle_that_changed_the_world.html
For the future….
My favorite book of 2012 was “Makers” by Chris Anderson it is well worth the time to read (or listen to as an audio book). The genie is out of the 3D printing bottle. The gun grabbers have already lost. They just don’t know it yet.
“One of the repeated arguments I read from people is that it is crazy to think that we with our shotguns and hunting rifles and pistols can mount a meaningful defense against the state with their sound-cannons, 50 caliber weapons systems, and so on.”
Just point out amerikas defeat in Afganistan. Indiginous peoples armed with shotguns and pistols (or sticks and rocks) HAVE NEVER, IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD, LOST TO SUPERIOR TECHNOLOGY! The partisan ALWAYS trumps technology.
Not even the vaunted Waffen SS could extirpate partisans in the East. That fact is sobering – or ought to be.
YES YES YES, thank you Qwibqwib. I don’t know how many times I’ve had this argument with people who just can’t seem to do arithmetic, or read history, or for god’s sake just see the news!
How many times has the US had its gluteals handed to it in failed occupations?
Some snooty college acquaintances had dinner with me a while back, and they were sneering and smirking at my “primitive”, and “unrealistic” fantasies of fighting off “the whole US Army”. There were four of them, their wives, and me; I asked how many had ever shot a rifle. NONE. Then I asked how ineffective goat-herders with ancient AK’s were against our mighty military.
Yeah, thought so guys; think next time you spout the party line from CNN.
And look at the sheer, daunting logistics; America is a huge place. There are billions of rounds spread across tens of millions of patriots, many millions of whom have very effective battle rifles.
Some of us–not me unfortunately, mine were all lost in a boating accident–have more than one and we’ll share if the time comes.
It is an impossible situation. Even if they use the planned superhighways like the NAFTA “Trans-Texas Corridor” to ship in Chinese troops…they’ll be caught in a demoralizing war of attrition.
And we won’t go after troops; it’s a waste. We’ll go after globalists and their minions. They can’t all hide in their underground bunkers forever; mostly because I think they’ll turn on each other. Psychopaths don’t “play well with others” in general…put them in close quarters, and it will degenerate to Lord of the Flies.
They’ve lost–it’s just a matter of how ugly they can make it before the rebuilding.
And it’s up to us to diminish the damage so the rebuilding doesn’t take a thousand years.
Folks…its a personal matter. I have made my decision. You will all make yours.
I occassionally read a few of these responses and the replies all are neatly categorized every time, so here is my response:
-To the oracles who tell me I won’t do anything…your opinion matters not one whit to me. Your arrogance reminds me of the human detritus currently in office…
-For those of you arguing the definition of service, it all counts, but is it germaine?
-For the pacifists/Buddhists who just know that their belief makes them some kind of morally superior being…just as there are no atheists in the foxhole, there are no true pacifists. If there is nothing you will fight for…I wonder how you can stand continuing such a pathetic existence.
I hope this country’s people, as intrinsically valuable parts of the finest IDEA on Earth, can solve these thing(s) with nonviolence. If not, I hope we are still courageous enough to solve it before it solves us. All the Best, Mike
I have so much to say but I’ll confine my statement to one thing in particular.
Up here, in Canuckistan, we had the much despised Long Gun Registry. It was a 2 billion dollar waste of time and resources on the part of our federal government. Compliance was low, but it was all but impossible to buy any type of rifle or ammo without going through the hoops they set up. In the end though, it was scrapped, tossed into the bin, deep sixed… good riddance.
But, I do remember well an interview with an RCMP official at the very beginning of their endeavor. They had decided to grant an “amnesty period” where gun owners could voluntarily bring there weapons in to be … scrapped.
The female interviewer, from our much venerated by the elitists, CBC, asked him, (quoting from foggy memory here)…
“Sir, It’s near the end of the six week amnesty period. How has the response been from gun owners in your region?” Reply, ” Well, we’ve got a few old shot guns and one old hand gun that probably would have blown up if someone tried to use it.” … silence … “I’m guessing that’s not the outcome you where hoping for?” “No, but I do understand the reasons why folks would be reluctant to just give these things away, after all, this is Northern BC. I will say this though, we have noted from the hardware sales folks that the sales of PVC pipe and end caps has gone up dramatically.” …. more silence …. “Would you care to elaborate sir?” “Sure.” He replied while stifling a laugh. “These folks now have an arsenal buried throughout the back yards of BC….”
It was so politically incorrect that the interviewer cut it short. It was beautiful. And it gave me a small glimmer of hope as well as a good laugh at the expense of clovers… 😀
Nice, The Rambler. That was a great read.
Canuckistan – Ha.
I have no doubt that most Americans will give up their guns. Over the last several decades, our rights have been taken away bit by bit. We have allowed this to happen. Not many Americans are going to allow their families to be harmed when SWAT shows up wanting their guns.
I wrote about this a few days ago. My disgust for most Americans grows daily.
I’m plenty disgusted with my fellow Americans, too. But not all of them. If even 5 percent refuse to submit and obey, that is somewhere in the neighborhood of 8 million people (5 percent, roughly, of the adult male population). And I think the numbers are potentially a lot higher than that.
Randal I understand it, but you MUST fight the instinct!
I think this is the lesson the would-be Christians are missing from their prophets; to love one another isn’t some mealy-mouthed platitude.
It is the elevation of humanity.
The “Elites” despise humanity. They plunder it, poison it, destroy it; they crush its spirit, steal its innovations, enslave it and KILL it.
We cannot succumb to the seduction of hate; because it is anti-human.
We have to guide our thoughts to elevating humanity; because a surprising spark of greatness resides in every one of us–even Obama-phone lady.
I don’t know if you have children; but if you do, you know we were all born in innocence and with immense potential.
The humanity-hating Elite have created a system that today, mentally, spiritually, psychologically, swings that child by the feet and bashes its skull in. In other eras–and coming here soon–the Elite will do what they have before and literally bash that baby’s skull in.
THIS is the hatred of humanity they have. And it what we must abhor with every fiber.
Don’t give up on them–especially not now, as they are finally awakening as if from a fitful nightmare.
You’ve been hitting it too hard on this post.
(I start from the stance, I cannot see a way to sufficiently accept the jackbooted thugs’ humanity, and at the same tiem, deal them lethal damage, which is essential in the scenario we discuss. If you can, i’m all ears. Wounding has been the way of the US military for a while now, logic being they must be cared for. Americans are a little more unique in that than we should be; others are a bit more mission-driven. If they can walk, they can fight; if not, they’re a loss, kill them. So, if we wound them, we’re killing them anyway, theoretically. OTOH, if we wound them, they can come back, and we are not sufficiently trimming their numbers to be effective. But i’m listening for alternatives.)
Christians are (usually, these days) idiots. They think of hippie Christ and his 12-man commune, and forget that Christ admonished his followers (in acts) to go buy a sword, even if they had to sell their cloak to do so. Christ threw the money-changers out of the temple (convenient hook for separation of church and state.)
Christians want all the Kum-By-Ah, but forget the swords used to establish that peace. And now, they denigrate anyone who would even OWN a sword.
I’m no atheist, either, I’m a (lapsed) Catholic who went to Parochial school, is confirmed, and has been around a little so my “young blood” has somewhat cooled. But truth be told, these people WANT the war, even more than someone like me, who LOVES the combat. I always learn when rolling with someone – they always know more or different from me. Lots of fun. But NO ONE GETS DEAD, and these people are gunning for us.
If they are unwitting pawns or actually agree is incidental; cut off the devil’s hands and be done with it. Mourn their humanity after they’re safely dead. And there will be plenty of mourning to go around if it comes to that, as ours will pay a dearer price.
Best decide what’s important. If (like my parents) your faith is more important than your humanity? Sorry, you need to sit this one out – you are lacking in character (intestinal fortitude), and need some more fasting and prayer… Unless you WANT to die on a cross. I’ll pass.
I have no formal religion; I gave up on established Christianity long ago. I also don’t think we’re merely very clever apes, either, nor do I think the Universe is accidental.
Beyond that, I’ve learned not to think myself too clever because I’ve been firmly in both full-Christian and full-Atheist camps, been completely convinced of the rightness of both, and come to realize we don’t know jack-shit about what the universe REALLY is!
So: no crosses for me.
In the posting above, I was talking about the sheeple around us; they’re easy to hate for their idiotic mewling, their apathy, their dependence, their sheer, intentional, cherished and lovingly polished stupidity.
But we have to wake them up…for the reasons I posted.
Don’t mistake that for empathy for our oppressors!
As for your other post re: strategies to deal with a raid, precisely those thoughts have passed through my head. And I’ll elaborate no more on the topic.
“Cut off the Devil’s hands”–good phrase. And if/when that time comes, they will be removed with gleeful abandon.
I’m not a pacifist. I just want my sacrifice to actually move the ball downfield–to use a hated sports metaphor.
Our rights derive from our humanity. They were ratified but not give to us by 56 aristocrats. Self defense against the tyrant is the most basic human right. I live in Mosby’s Confederacy. I will not register my firearms. I will not surrender them. I would like to twist Charleton Heston’s memorable phrase a little bit: We will take their weapons from their cold dead hands. I don’t care what uniform they wear, if any. I don’t care what “color of authority” they operate under. I will kill the first several storm troopers who kick down my door. I know I will die too. I’d rather live but on my feet, a free man. I am prepared to die a free man. There are things worse than death. Slavery is one of them. Molon Labe. Come and take them. Mr JBT: does your wife look good in black? We stand on principle. You are mercenary vermin who have sold our for a paycheck. Bring it.
“I will kill the first several storm troopers who kick down my door.”
Better that you could kill ALL of the legislators and other office holders who made it legal for them to do so.
Better that you could kill ALL of the legislators and other office holders who made it legal for them to do so.
Exactly. Without their armed thugs to protect them, those criminal pussy bastards are sitting ducks. You definitely want to add judges to this list too. They, in particular, need to feel the wrath of justice for enabling all of this shit.
Amen to that. A judge is nothing but a goddamned lawyer with a stipend.
“We have already surrendered”
It makes for great rhetoric Eric, but it’s not true.
Nobody has “already surrendered”, and this dog and pony show goes on every time some insane bastard decides its safe for him to kill school kids because nobody within 1000 yards of a school is allowed to be armed.
None of the normal, thinking people of the country are fooled. Dianne is doomed to rail against guns forever to no effect because she’s just too damned stupid to understand the issues. You’re very right to bring the issues to light, but I hold very little hope your adversary will succeed in her quest.
I hope you’re right, Scott – I really do.
But my gut – and my mind – tells me this time, they’re going for broke. Because this time, they have the established precedent of rule-by-edict (thanks, Chimp). I am betting Obama will simple “decide” – and that will be that.
It’ll be interesting to see how this plays out in New York and Washington.
Gary North has written an excellent article about the US gun tradition and why the libtards have no prayer of eliminating it. If they tried, their failure would call the legitimacy of the entire federal Leviathan into question — something they’re not willing to risk.
Gary North makes a fine argument–and it’s the same point Eric is making re: the NAP, and not losing the moral high ground.
We can delegitimize the State, pull the rug out of under it, by forcing them to show their aggression.
Gary’s point–that if they make a law, and no-one follows it–is the corollary. It shows, nakedly, that we have the power–THEIR power is an illusion based on our consent.
Withdraw it, and they’re just the screeching harpies flying off into the dusk.
Even if such would work, THEY have the power to make things “uncomfortable” for “us” for YEARS, and will exert that force. I think there is a plan to quietly establish the laws, let the enforcement stay idle, and then start to “accident” people along the way. Fires that reveal illegal guns (whether you owned them or not is irrelevant.) Patriots who become “mad bombers” (patsy). etc.
We can withdraw our consent. But even in places such as India, it took DECADES for Gandhi to make things work, and the cooperation of a large percentage of the population. Nelson Madella as well (though the ANC deserves to burn.) Abolition here in the US took a while to gain real traction. We would be looking at the USSR part 2.
Personally I feel a little more ACTION would be helpful. NAP be damned, there’s a line in the sand that’s been crossed, and another, and another, and another… Sooner or later, we’re gonna run out of beach, and by then, it’ll be too late to actually DO anything.
Example, SWAT style raid, at 3 AM. Weapons are properly locked up, you’re SOL. People are home, you’re SOL (as most people would rather, when it comes down to it, live on their knees, with the excuse of “not endangering the family.”) You have to ASSUME ahead of time, THEY will come to harm you. You need to fortify, put in choke points to control access, use flame-retardent materials, have an escape route, and probably you’d need to have the area mined somehow, so when they fall back to regroup, they go to the area you can command-detonate – and are demolished. (accomplishing this, though prohibitive in materials and explosives, DOES accomplish “keep the family safe”, though it’s also going to mean you need alternate funds stashed, and a method of getting not only out of Dodge, but Fortress USA as well. How long before the Coyotes start taking Gringos across the border the OTHER direction?)
I knwo a lot of people here won’t like the idea, but – if you’re NOT firing first, your chances of survival are WAY down. If you want to live 20-30 years under despotic rule, that’s your choice; I’d rather find a different home. If TSHTF that badly, it’s going to take a LONG time, and a LOT of blood, to right things (a la Russia).
Eric sometimes I wish you and I didn’t share a collective unconscious. Go in Peace.
The more of us who “plug in” together, the better!
I was part of the “tax honesty” movement in late ’90s to mid ’00s and the Libertarian party from ’90 until Bob “F’in” Barr. I’ve never seen a line in the sand more than a handful of people will actually try defend; I’ve never seen any -real- outcry for accountability. After losing a lot of $$$, seeing a few jailed, and finally being threatened myself, I’ve chucked a lot of my radical activities.
Maybe this time will be different; I wouldn’t count on it though.
It wasn’t the lack of results that bothered me but the lack of anyone else giving a damn. Now I figure if most people want to ride this train to hell there’s not much I can (or should) do to change their mind. The -only- bad part is they’re dragging some good people along with ’em.
I bailed on the Libertarian party for the same reason. I also gave up my belief in the mythological authority of the state. My beef during the ’90’s was the failed War on (some) Drugs, and gun control. These were the Harry Browne years. After he left, the party just went down hill fast with it hitting rock bottom with the Barr nomination. I decided to try using other means of getting the message out.
I thought I could use reason and logic to get through to folks instead via email, and social media such as FB. After 4 years of banging my head against a wall with these people, I shuttered my original FB account and started another one for close family and friends. Now I just post stupid shit (pets, food, stupid games) like everyone else does. They are still too stupidly focused on single issue items and believe that the system is the only method of correcting injustice. They aren’t ready yet.
One day probably, we’ll come to this site, and it’ll be nothing but lolcats. That’s when we know they’ve gotten to Eric and Dom.
Too bad Harry Browne never saw the power potential in Grand Jury Presentment Power.
If not for that, I would cheer as they got what they deserved.
In reference to: The -only- bad part is they’re dragging some good people along with ‘em.
Mordor on the Potomac has good reason to want the tax cattle disarmed:
BOOMTOWN: WASHINGTON PASSES SILICON VALLEY FOR HIGHEST MEDIAN INCOME IN U.S.
Wealth in Washington, DC has surged to the highest median income in the United States, surpassing even tech mecca Silicon Valley, California.
With a median household income of $119,134, the Census Bureau reports that Loudoun County, Virginia now occupies the number one spot for the highest median U.S. income. The number two position belongs to Fairfax County, Virginia at $105,797. Arlington, Virginia comes in third at $100,735. …MORE
Soon they’ll start issuing titles. It will be “Sir Boehner” and “Lord Biden”. Just wait a bit…
If you guys haven’t, I HIGHLY recommend listening to Alex Jones’ broadcast from today (January 27).
It. Is. Brilliant.
I’ve been reading the many family trees of the “royalty”–and the totally fascinating fact that every president over the last 100 years has been related to them.
Basically his thesis is that they’re re-establishing “royalty”–and he makes a damn compelling case for it.
Assuming that there a hundred million or more gun owners, I wonder how many are serious anti-statists? The bad laws just keep on acomin’.
Potential EBR Shooting Friends
EBR – MK14 meets an FN SCAR.
Holsters for female CCW
Lake Havasu, AZ – One Woman Army
Why is it when I see this stuff I’m reminded of the movie ‘Jackie Brown’.
The very point of registration is to enable confiscation. Cars, guns, liberty.
It is – and for the first time, I am encouraged – because a large (and growing) number of people understand this. And are prepared to resist, if it comes down to it.
Full auto firearms can be made by anyone with reasonable metalworking skills. No serial numbers. Untraceable. Unregistered.
Good as weapons made by people with gun making skills or manufacturers? No. Good enough? Yes.
There are step by step books written on how to do it.
I visited a replica of a basement factory in Norway where they made knock-off Sten guns with equipment formerly used in a sewing machine factory.
The only issue is the barrel–modern barrels are miracles of durability and accuracy…not to mention, holding chamber pressures that boggle the mind. 60,000 psi, anyone?
Sounds like a fun challenge to take on!
And with 3-D printing, you wouldn’t have to compromise the design either; just download the CAD files for the AR lower and you’re in business.
Ah, technology. Bane of tyrants since 10,000 BC 🙂
I saw a documentary on Afghanistan’s cottage industry gun makers.
It was amazing what they could do with a bunch of hand tools.
They were making replicas of British Enfield .303 rifles using hand tools.
I’m sure shotguns with their lower chamber pressures and lack of rifling would be even easier to cobble up using primitive tools.
This makes me think, does anyone know a gun grabber who can turn a wrench or do any sort of metal working?
In the USA, we won’t have to use primitive tools. Old lathes and mills can be had for pretty reasonable. Good stuff from the 1930s to 1960s. The biggest issue is getting them to your garage or basement.
“In the USA, we won’t have to use primitive tools.”
I was merely positing the worst case scenario, to affirm that even in such dire straits, weapons making would still be feasible.
Hopefully when the SHTF the ensuing chaos will enable Joseph Schumpeter’s “Creative Destruction” and an ideological opening for Voluntaryism, without leading to SF novelist George R. Stewart’s “Earth Abides” dystopia.
Bevin, my intent was only to add. I understood you perfectly.
If there is such a thing as reincarnation, I’ve often thought that next time around I’d like to try my hand at some sort of hands on trade, instead of a white collar profession.
A machinist sounds intriguing.
Maybe it’s just a case of the grass is greener.
I remember when I was younger how much I admired inventors like Oliver Winchester, Sam Colt, John Browning, and Bill Ruger.
I’m sure actually trying to make it as a gunsmith or gun inventor/manufacturer is not all fun and games.
But the potential rewards could be amazing.
What about power consumption that can’t be tracked by smart grid or drone? I wouldn’t think steam or solar. Maybe small scale hydro? As mentioned above it’s an interesting engineering exercise.
I thought about tools and the coming smart grid. It all comes down to the other statement in my comment :). These people have no clue. to them stuff comes out of factory by magic.
All we might face is our tools being turned off by central command at times of peak load because they are for our hobby recreating unavailable parts for old cars.
Maybe build remote facility around it?
It actually takes a higher level of skill than that, which is why there was historically a synergy and sharing between firms working in the areas that needed those levels: clock making, gunsmithing, internal combustion engines (BSA – Birmingham Small Arms), and maybe typewriters (Remington) and pianos (Yamaha) too. The thing is, a gun doesn’t just need to be made, it needs to hold up under field conditions too, and for the manufacture to be cost effective there has to be the right approach to production engineering as well.
PM, I am a mechanical engineer by training and trade. I make products for a living. I understand that in great detail. I also understand a piece of crap from a garage can be effective.
This isn’t about firearms for traditional battlefield or even hunting conditions either. It’s not about making something that lasts 20 years either. It’s about having something or nothing.
There have been over time a number of crappy firearms designed to be easily made, to be made crappily and still be effective. They aren’t good firearms by any measure and never were intended to be.
Even if the population decides to submit and obey fedgov, the criminal element will function quite well with such crappy firearms.
On another note, it doesn’t take a whole lot to mimic good late 19th and very early 20th century engineering and manufacturing these days. Higher grade metals are also not difficult to come by. So it could be done quite well by someone who takes the time to learn and execute it.
Correction…It only needs to hold up to a single firing. Go look up the FP-45 liberator. Wiki here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator
A good source for easy to construct full autos is P.A. Luty’s website, The Home Gunsmith. Luty is British and went to jail because he was audacious enough to show that the British ban was easily defeated. Needless-to-say, the British government was not happy with that so they threw him in the slammer, tucked away for months without letting anyone know were he was. His web site was stripped bare by their government but industrious folks have managed to bring it back online. The web site has free, downloadable PDF files and schematics using common piping and some simple mill work. With these plans, one can make full auto .22 cal, 9mm and 12 gauge weapons. BTW, it is NOT illegal in this country (USSA) to have these books. However, once you make one of his little charmers, you run afoul of the BATFU. Copy and paste the link below to start downloading his plans.
Although I have said before to another one of your blogs in that it was your best ever, I stand corrected: This is your Opus Eric!
The time for which we all have hoped would never come has indeed come. We must go to the media in all its forms and beg that TPTB call off this assault on our most basic of human rights – the right of self defense.
I – dearly – would like to go back to fiddling with my cars and bikes, chopping wood, doing things around our place… living my life. Being peaceful. I wish none ill, but I will defend myself against those who wish me ill. Who propose to do me harm. To render me their servile, obedient peon. God-damn it. I remember a semi-free America. And I fucking want it back!
Eric, thank you for this article. Not just for putting it out there, and the usual excellence in writing and thought…
…but because it’s really happening, here.
And we have to decide what we’re going to do. There will be no do-overs, it’s not going to be easy. They are serious; they’re losing, and they’re going for it all now come hell or high water–and the former they shall have.
I think about my children; and I so wish they were a little older, so if I die fighting this they’ll understand first-hand why I did it, and absorb the passion and principle behind my sacrifice.
But they’ll have to learn from their godparents if it comes to that.
Videos of CCWs, Vets, and Britney Piers Morgan
IL Vets Stand Up
WA CCW Stands Up
Piers Throws Paper At A Woman Like A Sissy @ 6:35
How Conservatives are to blame for gun control
To use a gun themed expression,
“Right on target.”
The liberals were hardly alone.
American Rifleman Article, February 1990:
What America can learn from Switzerland
There is some subset of 316 million Americans who can learn a lot from this article. This is a time of great opportunity for those who can think inside the box, outside the box, about the segments that comprise the box, and about the points of intersection of the lines of the box.
Nothing is the fault of the almighty box. Don’t be overly troubled by the dimensions of the box. Were your dream of overthrowing the box to occur, something else would swiftly into focus as the newest tyrannical enemy. Perhaps the evil and oppressive sphere will beget a sinister cult of geolatry.
The box will abide, you must learn to abide and transcend life’s boxes, to forget and annihilate the box from your consciousness completely.
There are already many devastated & impoverished areas in the USSA where LEO free zones can be imposed and maintained. Grey non-descript buildings. Coops and farm associations. Vacant land and abandoned structures. There are places where they won’t ask if we don’t tell.
Let them shear and slaughter their sheep, it is not prudent or of any impact to make it our concern.
When they come to my door, I plan on having no conception of even their words “submit” or “obey”.
They will march about and gnash their teeth and flap their gums, and then they will leave, wholly unsatisfied, and not a whit richer or empowered than they were the moment before they came to my door. The door I allow them to monitor and surveil.
I found Diane’s portrayal of a skeletal high society alien very convincing in John Carpenter’s movie “They Live.”
The “e pluribus unum” motto should be changed to “ut ‘unum turpis ferreo canis exprimamus”
Molon Labe DiFi!
> “ut ‘unum turpis ferreo canis exprimamus”
Tor, sometimes you come up with the funniest things to say. Thank you for your sense of humor.
I volunteered four years of my life during the Vietnam War only to return to attitudes that tried to make me a bay killer (I wasn’t). We had little choice: volunteer or be drafted. Now I’m told that as a Vet, I am a possible terrorist.
Let me make this perfectly clear. I will NOT go the way of the bonus marchers. I will resist. My hands may become cold and dead when the tyrants try to take my arms but so will many of those who try to take them. I have sacrificed enough for this country. I will sacrifice no more. I am willing to fight for my rights. No bullshit here. I have lived a long and productive life. I believe in two things: we all should have something to live for and we should all have something we are willing to die for. I am willing to die for my rights — all of them which the USSA is systematically negating. The line in the sand has been drawn and I am crossing it. It is better to die as a freeman rather to have lived as a slave. Come for my guns and die. No threat — a promise from this vet.
“Molon labe. Not a threat. A solemn promise. From this vet.”
Thanks for sharing your story, Larry. The Bonus Marchers* story is reason #9099 to never trust the government.
My father was drafted during Vietnam. He performed forced labor in a triage unit.
I wrote “I will only serve in a manner that does not conflict with my moral, ethical, and religious beliefs” on my registration form, as did several other friends from my school and church at the time. We didn’t have to deal with the draft, though.
If someone demands my Dad surrender his firearms, I expect a transfer of energy*, rather than a transfer of personal property to be the result. I personally, will deny having anything, if asked about any weapons I have in my possession.
America’s first “Gay President” and the rest of his Rainbow Brite Riders are not going to make it back to the Gay-is-O.K.-Corral for YooHoos and a photo-op after all of this as easily as they thinks they will.
*Transfer of Energy
When the bullet strikes, its high velocity and small frontal cross-section means that it will exert large stresses in any object it hits. This usually results in it penetrating any soft object, such as flesh. The energy is then dissipated in the wound track formed by the passage of the bullet. See terminal ballistics for a fuller discussion of these effects.
The Bonus Marchers, in U.S. history, were more than 20,000 veterans, most of them unemployed and in desperate financial straits, who, in the spring of 1932, spontaneously made their way to Washington, D.C.
They demanded passage of a bill introduced by Representative Wright Patman providing for immediate payment of their World War I bonus. Calling themselves the Bonus Expeditionary Force, they camped in vacant government buildings and in open fields made available by police superintendent Pelham D. Glassford. The veterans conducted themselves in a peaceful and orderly way, but when the Senate defeated the Patman bill (June 17, 1932) the marchers refused to return home. On July 28, President Herbert Hoover ordered the army, under the command of Douglas MacArthur, to evict them forcibly. MacArthur had their camps set on fire, and the army drove the veterans from the city.
MacArthur, who is now regarded as an amerikan hero? What the hell does it take for people to realize they are being played for fools?!
McArthur did what a soldier is supposed to do. He obeyed the orders of his Commander in Chief.
What indeed, Skunkbear?
A fool and his money are soon parted. Once that parting is complete. Once he is left holding scraps of the king’s rag paper, it is a trivial matter to part from him all the rest.
The laws, once a few absolute principles chiseled in stone, are now copied onto the king’s parchment. The laws multiply beyond measure and comprehension. Every 100 yards, a new super-complex set of laws comes into effect.
A new class of law parasites arises, who find easy profit in using the plethora of laws to their advantage. The ignorant fool blames them for his misfortune, failing to see the blame is on himself for submitting himself to the fatal indignity of allowing the king to part him from his sound money in the first place.
Finally, a small elite class of men is comes into being. These are the soldiers, the chosen merchants, the kings men. They are beyond the reach of the law parasites. They operate using sound money.
Having access to sound money, the elite class is able to provide a great many luxuries and make life easy and painless. Though diminished in freedom, the fool acquiesces to his new situation and a acquires a sense of contentment to his new situation.
The common fool comes to believe he is an inferior sort. Less of a man than the king, the law parasites, the kings soldiers, and the chosen merchants.
He lives happily ever after, as a tragic fool. Never seeing the damage that was done to him, when he was a young fool who allowed himself to be parted from his sound money.
I find it interesting how many still believe that we only want to own firearms to protect ourselves from small time criminals who may be breaking into our house to steal a TV or hurt our women on the street. I have to explain all the time that it’s the governments that we need protection from. It amazes me how many still have the “Not in this country” mentality…
It amazes me how many still have the “Not in this country” mentality…
They are like the Herr Schultz character in Cabaret who believed he really knew his countrymen because he’s German, so everything would be just fine.
The tombstone of the USA should read:
“It will never happen here”
Sadly, Bevin, you have nailed it.
That should be Sadly, BrentP, you have nailed it.
Yukon Jack keeps me company on Saturday nights; good friend but makes my mind fuzzy…
I second that.
Brent nailed it.
I have to agree with Iberns1’s post. People huff and puff about “lines in the sand” concerning gun ownership yet we all know it’s all bullshit. Do you honestly believe that the government is going to kick down doors to confiscate guns en masse? No way in hell!
The laws will be passed and nothing will be done by the people besides the clovers to choose to participate in the buyback programs. The people who DO have banned weapons will continue living their lives with weapons hidden somewhere in their home. One day a few years after the rabble has died down, their home catches on fire so they call the local FD who rushes in to save the day. In the process they find the burnt skeleton of an illegal AK-47 that the home owner was hiding. The feds get called in and the homeowner is arrested.
THAT’S how it will happen. There will be no major battle or uprising. Ask any random clover on the street how they feel about the endless amount of laws, taxes and police state we are forced to endure on a daily basis. They answer 97% of the time will be “I don’t like it but we NEED it!” They do want to make a radical change in the way the government operates just as long as it doesn’t affect their jobs, 401k, health insurance, Medicare, Medicaid SSI ect…
People who think that our rulers will be kicking down doors looking for guns are delusional. They will use the same formula as always. They will pass the laws and then wait it out. The clovers will pooh-bah a little then forget about it. The whole time they will be running anti-gun ads to brainwash gun ownership out of your minds.
This just look at the UK. It only took 3 or 4 generations to complete this process and now not even the police carry firearms.
Not true–the police are now armed in “Great” Britain…exactly as tyranny does, armed thugs and disarmed subjects.
Your prediction might be right; almost surely, they will not risk going door-to-door.
They will make “assault rifles” illegal; and as you say, pick them off one by one, while killing the gun culture slowly.
They will tax the hell out of ammunition and demand ID’s for it.
Here’s how to resist it: coordinate with your assault-rifle friends. Show up peacefully at the range and use them–at least four of you. If you’re hassled there, be prepared to make a stand THERE–because at the range, you’re among people who at least agree with you, but may not have had the balls to stand alone. With four of you, and a bunch of others waiting for an example, they WILL back down. Have video running at all times.
If you’re not confronted at the range, all return to one person’s house and have a peaceful dinner…while remaining vigilant. The same rules apply; don’t back down, video running at all times.
The tricky part is returning to your individual homes–where you should have security cameras running as well. Will they have the patience to wait it out and attack you there? Possibly. You might die.
But by this time, you’ve uploaded the video–in fact, you should have been using Qik to upload the video live. Your act of defiance is out there now.
The principle is to force THEM to fire the first shot, visibly, publicly, while going about your own business peacefully. THAT is how to morally de-legitimize the State!
They MIGHT actually go door-to-door, to force us into a corner and shoot first; however the door-to-door might be seen as “shooting first”, so it’s not their best strategy…although they’ve been quite sloppy lately.
This is an absolute for me as well. I agree with you all–where the fuck have they been with all the OTHER rights? But, like the prodigal son, I’ll welcome their returning back-bones with a feast.
Because IF they make a stand for this right with us, they’ll have learned a difficult and important lesson–everyone’s every right is important, not just the ones THEY care about.
Now let us repeat, and mean, our catechism:
I will not register my weapons.
I will not be fingerprinted like a criminal.
I will not relinquish my weapons.
Michael Henry Stuart
Trouble is the government in the USA prefers the traffic stop and they bust in and consider anything that happens from that point forward to be their target’s fault.
It’s happened many times. They’ve gunned down countless people in wrong address raids and as far as I know not one government employee has ever gone to prison for it. I can’t recall one even getting so much as dinged in a performance review because of it.
The american public IMO has already accepted that government employees can fire the first shot on peaceful people. At least so long as those peaceful people are those people over there. Gun owners are those people, over there to the majority.
The majority isn’t going to rally around a gun owner or group there of. A gun owner is the other. The media said so.
Hm, I don’t think so Brent.
There are around 150 million gun owners; those people “over there” are awfully close to half of us.
And down here in Texas? The rest of the South?
They’re spoiling for a civil war. I saw it even before Alex Jones started talking about it–they’re “Lincolnizing” Obomber. They know how Texans et al will react; they might be psychopaths, but the boys at the Rand Institute aren’t stupid.
And people aren’t entirely stupid. Besides the comfortably numb baby-boomer “conservatives”, most people have some disgust at the 80,000 SWAT raids per year. Step that up to a million, and make it Ol’ Bob over there who never hurt no-one, and they’ll have their problem.
I talking only about this four guys thing. All these gun owners have done nothing all these years people were gunned down in their own homes by government employees. Government has been doing it for what, 20 years? I don’t see how it will be any different now. I don’t see it sparking anything when four ‘nuts’ get gunned down by a SWAT team.
If there is a spark it’s going to need to be a very different character than that.
Also the media has turned Ol’ Bob who never hurt no-one into a loner and a kook before, and it will do it again.
I was working as an editorial writer at The Washington Times back in the mid-90s when Waco occurred. My sense of things is that this time it’s different. This time, “average Joe” is not as quiescent and unquestioning – as “patriotic,” if you like. It was much easier for Clinton to marginalize the then-growing militia movement because government had far more legitimacy then than it does now. Back then, only a very small – microscopic – handful of people were ready to throw both the Democrats and Republicans in the woods; saw the nature of the system – and wanted to end it. Today, there are millions of people who believe as we believe. By no means a majority – but nonetheless… millions of people. If it comes down to it, mass murder may be required to get rid of us. And I think that will go down a lot harder than getting rid of a few “religious nuts” (Waco) and “extremists” (RR).
OK back to the “get four friends and take your banned EBR’s to the range” idea…
The other shooters at the range will be smarting from the humiliation of the ban. I give it even chances they’ll defend you against government aggression if you stand up to it right in front of them.
Anyway, all purely hypothetical.
We’ll all have to see how we actually react.
Meth, I was Old Bob. By the time the MSM did their worst, I was evil Old Bob. The thugs with badges bring their own history and re-write it as they go.
I only have to look at my sister and her family and countless other people I know and I see chicken-shit so deep it gags me. This country and Texas also, is so full of cowards it’s despicable. Yeh, there are like minded people such as yourself, but greatly in the minority. Hell, just try engaging someone on the street or even someone you know in a general way in a conversation like this and they’ll be backpedalling as fast as they can go IF they even understand what you’re saying.
I spoke to my wife of this yesterday and said I’d never go peacefully again, I was old enough and had no intention of dying in prison. She said I don’t even have gun to shoot if I wanted to. A good point since we had your choice of AR’s with what ever sight system you wanted, oh, a Garand, right here and here’s a couple boxes of ammo on stripper clips. Just grab a couple 200 rd. 5.56 bandoliers and as many loaded mags as you want. That was the past but it could be the future too. Not many people have their backs truly to the wall as we do. We have no place to fall back. How many others see their lives that way?
BrentP “They’ve gunned down countless people in wrong address raids and as far as I know not one government employee has ever gone to prison for it.”
They certainly have.
This is where some forethought is required. Harden the entry points to your home. The initial assault is when the piggies are most likely to shoot on reflex so stopping them from gaining initial entry is key.
Get decent steel doors and proper anti-breech bars to keep them standing. When the initial entry fails, the pigs are disoriented. They have to pull back and re-group as they are not used to hardened domiciles and have no immediate contingency for them.
The chances of getting shot by some trigger happy, steroid laced prick are greatly reduced this way.
Once they are forced to negotiate, the chances of you getting shot are reduced. Also, this will at least give you time to asses the situation and decide if it is ‘line in the sand’ time.
Hardened entry points are indeed good advice. When the threshold, door, jamb, etc. are steel with hidden deadbolts, drop bars, or even sliding rods that drop into the floor, then you most definitely have messed with their little “scenario” that’s playing out like a video game in their skulls.
Whoops, ‘breach’ not ‘breech’ and ‘assess’ not ‘asses’.
Also, if it hits the fan, remember body armor is not fire proof, polyester is highly flammable and offensive action against others is the last thing on a burning mans mind.
Here’s how to resist it: coordinate with your assault-rifle friends. Show up peacefully at the range and use them–at least four of you. If you’re hassled there, be prepared to make a stand THERE…
How mind-boggling. The totalitarian clovers have forced the issue to the point where we actually have to think about such thing.
The potential death of liberty is a sad thing to contemplate.
Here’s how to resist it: coordinate with your assault-rifle friends. Show up peacefully at the range and use them–at least four of you. If you’re hassled there, be prepared to make a stand THERE–because at the range, you’re among people who at least agree with you, but may not have had the balls to stand alone. With four of you, and a bunch of others waiting for an example, they WILL back down. Have video running at all times.
Depending on what part of the country you live in, I strongly suspect that you’ll be able to get MANY MORE than four people to join you. The only problem is that you’ll soon find yourself outgunned by the paramilitary forces that will be called in as backup for the first wave of copthugs. Still, it’s worth a try.
Might I suggest a quick runaround play, then? Easy if you do a fake call and time them, but figure it’ll take from 5-30 minutes for Police to respond, depending on the area. I know, lots of variance, there, but guess on how to make it work. Have friends on speed-dial or a text ready to go. Meet a few friends quietly ahead of time, and get the plan out: You’ll show up with EBRs on day X because there are so many people there in the first place, and then have friends committed to being present, and also to LEAVING. Leaving is VERY important.
You show up, check in with friends and check the range, bring in your EBRs, assume the police are alerted. Friends leave and stay in the vicinity. Police respond, text or call is made, police are surrounded and politely asked to leave without further violence or improper use of force. Out numbered, out gunned, they MIGHT listen to reason. Have a few “snipers” ready to go, though, because most people will be thinking “movies,” even if they support you. Two or three snipers would quickly make the whole “discussion” trivial, as the police are now down a few, AND outnumbered and outguuned. They aggressed first by arresting people for peaceful use of validly-owned items, you are now putting out that line in the sand for all to see. And no matter HOW the media tries to spin that one, it’s going to sound like a setup by “US” of “THEM” – but THEY aggressed, no matter what. Even better if they decide to go in shooting (though it would be unbelievable, I’m rarely surprised by stupid any more) – that would show their intentions as clearly as a burglar entering your house with violent intent.
If the police stand down, of course, everyone goes home without incident. The objective is to make a stand, and put them on notice. Better if you can back them up in slightly different situation: say, passing by during robbery or other violent crime and using your personal weapon to help the police. It’s the LAW and its IMPROPER ENFORCEMENT that is the problem, not the police. But that’s a distinction many people can’t comprehend: “I AM THE LAW,” may be Judge Dredd, but the police are recruiting for thugs these days. (Copblock.org, “Innocent down”, or trawl YouTube.)
But many men especially so identify with their job that that defines who and what they are.
We need to point out there are limits, as peacefully as possible. With any luck, most of it will never go beyond a “show of force.” Even if SWAT could hit 3-5 houses in a night, if you have 20-30 people? That’s 4-8 “missions.” Word will get out, others will take note, and even those who wouldn’t lift a finger at the range would likely start shooting (violating the NAP, you’ll scream, but at that point who gives a F—? It’s already a war, whether you call it that or not. At a certain point, you MUST deal with reality and let the ideology go as “counterproductive.” Anythign less is suicide, which may be noble and inspiring, but it’s not effective.)
I agree with something along these lines.
We already have moral right on our side.
The only real issue is how do we assert our moral right without becoming a statistic.
What you suggested is one possible way.
Ditto what Bevin said, Jean–it’s baiting, but it’s still defensive.
Your suggested play would be valid right now in New York or Colorado where they’ve actually passed these insane “laws”…and lost their moral authority.
But peaceful, peaceful, peaceful until THEY have aggressed–and aggressed violently.
One more note: video, video, video, high-def, audio, uploaded directly to Qik and disseminated widely, quickly.
They will use the same formula as always. They will pass the laws and then wait it out.
This point is probably right on.
I mentioned it earlier. But just in case some missed it, I posted it at my blog.
Good post Bevin I read it last night.
God I hope it doesn’t fizzle like that. I can’t stand another ratchet in the statist-chain.
That “ratchet effect”—I’m sure you guys have heard of it, how the statism increases incrementally, one ratchet-click at a time; and each click inexorably moves toward Their purpose.
But this time, it’s reminding me of that “clank-clank-clank” as the rollercoaster approaches the peak…right now, the front cars are already leering over the edge; we’ll soon be off the ratchet and plummeting to our fate.
I have no idea who wrote it. A fellow gun rights champion passed it along to me. But it was worth re-posting, so I did.
The images I added after stumbling across them. I’ve found that a blog entry is always easier to digest with at least one image as a “visual anchor.”
Re: this time is different
Could be. Could be. After all, Stein’s Law. Something that cannot go on forever, will not.
The SHTF scenario cannot be avoided, because one simply cannot spend more than one takes in, ad infinitum.
Even if the Amerikanischen schaffenmenschen are still embedded within the Matrix, not everyone is. They are not going to keep accepting Uncle Sammy’s markers forever. This is not ideology. This is simple arithmetic.
This is why economically oriented gurus such as Doug Casey, Peter Schiff, Jim Rogers, Marc Faber are predicting that the S will HTF, right alongside the politically oriented pundits at libertarian think tanks.
That’s one of my cold consolations. Even if, god forbid, TPTB streamroller over the Remnant, i.e., us, on 2A, the bottom line is that fiscal reality will get them.
Yeah I agree with your assesment. I don’t think there will be any door to door raid except of the loudest and most vocal, they will raid theirs because they want the rest of the sheep to see there is no line in the sand that can’t be crossed. To be honest I’m one that advocates burying them and not registering them. I might do a blaze of glory depending on my mood at the time, but I don’t make promises to strangers that don’t matter more than my wife and family. That is between me and my God what I do at that time. I see no other alternative at this place in time then to acknowledge the caching and hiding of our weapons. It is true that it is another backdown and will embolden the police state. I hope and think though that will be its downfall, when tyranny becomes so rampant that no one can deny its existence the guns will still be there. I know many people who simply are in denial of the incipient police state. Its because they are scared as the Jews were pre-holocaust. If these people give up their arms voluntarily out of that fear or for any other reason they deserve what they get. I have certain family members that have no qualms with random car stops or worse yet the entire road block searching for what they deem illicit in your own body. I asked them how would they feel when the FEDs or police bust down their door for any reason. The answer is well I’d have a real problem with that! Yeah and that is what is next guaranteed, because if they have no respect for your own temple (body) they have no respect for your castle either! In fact its already happening for the people who supposedly use those illicit materials, but eventually it will be for just about all of us. You know when they find your wife ,daughter, or sister good looking. Or think you might have some extra money on hand that you should donate to the state (IRS and local police). What happens when people have nothing left to lose in America? Do they dig their own graves and let their oppressors shoot them in the head from behind or will they (sheep) come to lose their fear? Without guns they will not be able to fight back because they surely don’t have any intellect either if they gave them away in the first place. What about the saying “live free or die”, when a man already has the choice that he is to die but starve slowly will that force him to become free or will he just be a loose maniac that goes beserk and kills random people that has nothing to do with his loss? And when that happens do the people decide to dig up those old friends (guns) and direct them into personal action defending their freedoms or do they get really smart and use their technological know how along with the outlawed guns to go on the offensive? I’m not sure. I know that when I can no longer make a living I’ll be the first to fight, that is close but not here yet. When I can no longer provide safe shelter for my wife or family from reprobates on the prowl, basically when my door personally gets busted down off its hinges, I’ll be the first to fight. And if they don’t kill me in that very moment God be my witness I will make and extract a heavy toll against those guilty of such unnecessary aggression.
My experience is that there are the big talkers and there are the big walkers and they are seldom the same thing. I’d rather not act like a big talker and rather when my time of duty comes spring into action. My guess is I’ll do that way before some of the people who criticize me for telling them to be patient and wait and not register the guns (not comply) but not engage either.
One thing is for certain here there is none of us who want to go out and start a civil war right now or die in a blaze of glory or go to Fed prison. And we can balk at those who honestly say bury but don’t forget them and think about how to defeat them later when the economy goes out or when technology makes everything cheaper to produce (3-D printing and electronics). Those same people that call that for wimps never go out and make a difference right now either (big talkers)? And I’m not asking for you to go prove yourself, but all the big talkers about standing their ground haven’t yet. And you know why? Because its not personal yet! Not even Yeager who said “load your mags”. Predictable as this is the way it is in jobs too I always had the big mouth manager give some great peop speech how to get it done boys and he goes home early. No I’ll call B.S. to all the big talkers. Nobody is going to exchange a heated house with the love of their life for cold dank ditch by himself dodging bullets, willingly. But don’t worry the rulerss being the dimwits they have become may in their broken brains soon shut off the power when they deem necessary. The most dangerous man…a man that has nothing left to lose. The most dangerous dog…a dog backed into a corner. Don’t worry we’ll all have our time to prove our bravado very soon boys , because we all know its too late to bluff it and brow beat backwards in time when it becomes personal to us. Is there hope of a peaceful solution? Absolutely. Therefore best course of action? Plan for how to survive and how to use our heads to win when and if it does go to shit in a hand basket. Better plan yet? Plan for technology to overcome it like fractional barter peer to peer software or get knowledgeable technically. People are going to need critical thinkers if things ever break down at very minimum learning a technical skill will teach you to be logical, and the maximum it will allow you much more ability then a single gun in hand to fight for your rights and country. Another notion , if we can starve the beast of capital it will regress without a bullet being fired, isn’t this most desirable outcome? A peaceful solution if possible? Won’t make a bit of difference worrying about how the sheep that don’t care (thats their job being reprobate), they are all waiting for us to decide when and how to fight back. They are hoping secretly that we win it for them and they still get to stay in their nice cozy warm house eating with their food stamp feast and then be handed baaaaack their old freedoms too. Not a million of those types are worth the dead body of one of us period. I’m not a soldier fighting for someone elses freedom, I’m only here for my own and the ones I love. And nobody else is going to defend my freedoms either. The good news is that we will win the final war of agression against us if it comes to that. The bad news is that we aren’t even close yet to when we decide to flight or fight, how do I know this? Because its not personal yet. When and if that time comes it will all be an individual notion in each of your own heads. God bless you all and prepare for it, but don’t worry your whole life away as there are greater things to live for than total paralysis of fear of the future. Its a dumb and weak government, that should give you all the confidence of how it will end. I love to ponder how I would bring down the technology cage as well, but I’m not going to lose sleep over it because you know why? I’m already free and I always will be too. And even when it comes down to it live with optimism that the final result will be for better and so it shall be planted from our own thoughts and works.
Dear Hot Rod,
Your comments are excellent!
I enjoy reading them.
But… ya gotta use more paragraph breaks man!
Excellent, Eric. Unfortunately, I think there are far to many who will go along with whatever orders they are given, or only put up mild resistance. I do hope that there are enough oath keeping LEOs out there that whatever laws might be forced upon us would be nearly impossible to enforce, but I’m not naive either.
I only wish to be left alone to live my life in peace, as I see fit. To be able to keep the fruits of my labors, to enjoy time with my friends and family on my property with my possessions. The funny & sad thing is that these few simple notions seem radical or even rebellious in today’s America.
“Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace…Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” – Patrick Henry, 23 March, 1775
Oath keeping LEOs?
Cops and soldiers are the dregs of humanity. A real man never, ever joins a state sponsored military or paramilitary organization. The popo and the military are for cowards, not for rugged individuals.
Not all of them, Mike–not all of them. I will bet that a very large number of the military, who joined because they were deceived into thinking they were fighting for the country, will be our very finest allies.
They’re figuring it out already; the most listened-to radio host in the military is Alex Jones, and 75% of military political donations went to Ron Paul.
They might have been lied to–but they’re figuring it out, fast…and they are royally pissed.
Sure, not every single one of them – I am a very generous guy; however, let’s get real:
Cops and soldiers are the king’s men, Caesar’s praetorian guard, Bull Connor, the Sheriff of Nottingham, Stacy Koon, Mike Nifong. They do not make or produce anything. Their income is derived via coercion, i.e., your property is confiscated so that the FOP and the NCOs get paid.
Some will be quick to respond that those who don the clown costumes provide necessary and valuable services. Some, perhaps most, accept this proposition on its face. Usually, but not always, those who uncritically accept the notion that cops and soldiers furnish essential and valuable services tend to be clovers. But not always as there are even some here who fall into this category.
Nevertheless, however one thinks, or feels if one is a progressive, about the issue, there can be no doubt that any “services” rendered by the popo or the jarheads are not voluntary and therefore worthy of nothing but contempt.
If one is truly on the road to spiritual enlightememt and to being self actualized; and if one is committed to the virtues of voluntaryism and the non-agression principle; and if one is a champion of individual liberty, how could one ever, ever be a state actor and a parasite?
Nevertheless–at this point it is to our GREAT advantage to recruit any of them to our side…as many as possible.
Sort out those differences later; it’s not good to reject them now because they’ve been bad libertarians. As much as I agree, they’re mostly not there yet philosophically.
But if they’re willing to fight our New World Order occupied mafia fedgov, I’ll discuss the finer points of libertarianism with them afterward while we’re collecting our brass.
It is crucial we unite now–the Elites have masterfully crippled us with divide-and-conquer.
Don’t keep falling for it.
“If one is truly on the road to spiritual enlightememt and to being self actualized; and if one is committed to the virtues of voluntaryism and the non-agression principle; and if one is a champion of individual liberty, how could one ever, ever be a state actor and a parasite?”
Because we were duped. I am indeed the fool who at the time of enlistment was not capable of seeing through the propaganda of “serving your country” for “God, Democracy and Freedom”.
I was a putz. But it is only through my foolishness that I have become so much more perceptive to the lies of the gubment.
Not a putz, Skunk – a victim.
We were all raised in hermetic environment of statism or at least, authoritarianism. The miracle of the thing is that so many of us escaped our intellectual-ethical bondage. But, the point being: We must have sympathy – in principle – for others who are not yet awakened to the reality of this evil system. We must bend over backwards to awaken them, if we possibly can. Only when it is clear that they cannot be awakened – when they have been presented with the awful reality of aggressive violence against their fellow man and continue to embrace it – only then can we in goof conscience cast them out.
Dear Liberty Mike,
Cops and soldiers are the king’s men, Caesar’s praetorian guard, Bull Connor, the Sheriff of Nottingham, Stacy Koon, Mike Nifong.
Don’t forget one of the worst:
Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi (born 9 June 1954) is a U.S. FBI HRT sniper who was involved in controversial deployments during the 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff and 1993 Waco Siege. In 1997, Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for the death of Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge; the case was dismissed.Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi (born 9 June 1954) is a U.S. FBI HRT sniper who was involved in controversial deployments during the 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff and 1993 Waco Siege. In 1997, Horiuchi was charged with manslaughter for the death of Vicki Weaver at Ruby Ridge; the case was dismissed.
HRT=Hostage Rescue Team
Yes… Lon Horiuchi. Murdered an unarmed woman holding a child. And got away with it.
Because he wore a special costume.
You know what kills me? These LEO oriented shows written by clover scriptwriters with this scene:
LEO “hero” in plainclothes accidentally flashes the gun on his hip.
Sheeple around him become alarmed. He’s got a gun!
The LEO “hero” then flashes his badge and says “It’s okay. I’m a cop.”
The sheeple breath a sigh of relief. One of the sheeple with “leadership” than the other helpfully informs the other sheeple, “It’s okay. He’s a cop.”
The badge, the costume, the “official” status magically transforms a statist thug into “It’s okay. He’s a cop.”
It’s good to be self-critical, but don’t be too hard on yourself.
You couldn’t have been that bad. Otherwise you wouldn’t be where you are now.
Most of us have been there, done that.
Not all of them, Mike–not all of them. I will bet that a very large number of the military, who joined because they were deceived into thinking they were fighting for the country, will be our very finest allies.
I sure hope so. The question “Will you enforce martial law if ordered to do so, or will you side with freedom and the Constitution?” is one that I’ve been aching to ask a large sampling of active-duty military for the last fourteen years, since I left active duty myself. I’m very curious to see how the majority will answer.
As I tell my troops-adoring mother: pay close attention to the answer to the above question that these troops you so greatly adore give. If they opt for anything other than the latter half of that question, they are YOUR ENEMY. That assumes, of course, that you really value “freedom” as you claim you do.
“Not all of them, Mike–not all of them. ”
Yeah, that bad 98% gives the good 2% a bad name.
LOL! No shit.
Any cop who has ever enforced a law that was a non-crime. Something that violated no one’s rights but the recipeient’s is guilty of one of two things:
1. Either he knew what he was doing was wrong, but did it anyway meaning he has no problem violating the rights of others.
2. Doesn’t know the difference between right and wrong meaning he won’t know he’s violating the rights of others.
Either way he’s the kind of individual who will violate your rights if he is given the responsiblility of enforcing the law. The only question is: what is the scope of his immorality?
In the case of #1 there may be a limit. In the case of #2 there might not be.
I’m not holding my breath. These people have been preaching “From my cold dead hands” for years while ignoring every other civil rights abuse that has happened out in the open for the last several decades. When I’d point it out to them, they’d look at me like I had a third eye. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, and they want us to rally around them to beat those tyrants back. Go suck an egg! Too little, too late, I’m afraid. The opportunity to stop this shit dead in it’s tracks was 50 years ago. Where the fuck were they then?
“Line In The Sand”, My Ass!
by Peter Hendrickson
I really don’t want to make peevishness my theme for this newsletter. But I can’t help feeling both peevish and cynically amused at the huffing and puffing about “lines in the sand” by self-labeled “patriot” types in response to the latest gun-control threats.
To hear the fulminations of these ruffle-feathered folks, you’d think they have actually been shaken awake and are “up in arms” in some manner of speaking. The contemptible reality is that all this sturm und drang is pure posture. These folks who are loudly declaring that they will never give up their guns have actually been giving everything up for years, and there’s no reason to think they’ll stop now…MORE
You people really are something. You think we live in a civilized world where the on thing standing between you and “Safety for the children” (choke) is taking arms away from honest people. That is possibly the singularly most Pollyanna idea I’ve heard since that bleating goat speech by Comrade Cumo whining like the b!tch he is, that ‘You don’t need 10 rounds to kill a dear. (Sniff, Sniff). The Second Amendment has NOTHING TO DO WITH HUNTING. It is for personal protection. It is for defense of our country from people who would undermine the Constitution. I’m ashamed to call you countrymen. You will throw away all of your rights, one at a time. Serving this country was a waste of my time. You are being re-programed by the bulk of the mass media (especially this BS site), the current administration, and self appointed “voices of reason”. Try doing a little thinking on your own, and stop swallowing the crap that is being feed to you by the left. Ho, I forgot your, for the most part, are the left.
The people here are with you – not against you. We’re all in this together, actually. And the sooner more people realize that, the better will be our odds of preserving our liberty.
I’m curious: What do you regard as “BS” about this site?
Newbies. Sheesh. I’d suggest you take a closer look at the rest of the site so you can realize just how big a stupid moron you made yourself look like.
Hey Alinsky…..errr I mean lberns1……just how many times does one have to comment here before you recognize them without denigrating them ? Why do you feel you are so righteous that you can name-call the comments of others here……you know agressively violate their words and beliefs ?
(Guess the name-calling doesn’t violate Terms of Service, eh Eric) ?
This site exists to promote the idea – the ethical concept – that no one has the right to initiate violence against a peaceful individual (or group) ever, for any reason. Not to force them to “help” the poor – or “the kids.” Or “the troops.” Or anything else.
That people interact peacefully and noncoercively, on the basis of mutual free consent. That the only ethically allowable use of force is in self-defense against force.
The beauty of the NAP (non-aggression principle) is that it end-runs the divide and conquer method, the Hegelian controlled conflict technique, used to reduce us to fear-ridden animals who beg for “answers” … from them.
The NAP can change the world by changing minds – and hearts – without the need to resort to violence.
Eric…..your NAP is just what the German Jews believed when AH started rounding them up beginning with Kristalnacht. Your argument of NAP is primarily nice concept but it doesn’t hold water. Six million European Jews were enslaved, tortured and murdered by the Third Reich. Why ? Because they didn’t take the fight to the enemy. They relied on NAP.
Also, instead of spouting rhetoric that the murder of innocent civilians at Kent State by US troops, is proof of your NAP working, why don’t you provide something tangible ? Tens of thousands continued to die in Vietnam for seven more years. So I guess your NAP beliefs really worked wonders on the US .gov.
Too bad the Third Reich and the US government didn’t subscribe to your NAP beliefs. We wouldn’t have to be concerning ourselves with this issue, would we ?
I’ve tried several times now to explain the difference between self-defense and aggressive violence. If they come to your door – if they assault you – then you have the right to defend yourself. But initiating violence – as you appear to favor – is not only wrong it is tactically foolish. You have allowed them to maneuver you into the role of “aggressor” – and this is of tremendous importance as regards how the event will be perceived by others. The others whose support (or at least, tacit approval) is absolutely critical to our success.
I’ll give you an example: The South had every right to evict Yankee troops from Ft. Sumter. But they were foolish to do so. Because it gave Lincoln his causus belli. It allowed him to portray the Confederacy as the aggressor. This enabled him to rouse Yankee sentiment in favor of attacking – responding, as he framed it – to the South’s “aggression.” Had the South instead maneuvered the North into aggressing – openly, obviously – against the South, the entire war might have turned out differently. Because it would have been much harder, psychologically, for Lincoln to justify his actions. He would have had to conscript troops to invade – to aggress against – Southerners who simply wanted to go their way in peace. Do you see the psychological value of that? And what was frittered away by attacking Sumter? Lee also made a great strategic error by invading the North. A far better strategy would arguably have been a defensive (guerrilla/partisan, if need be) war… to attrite the North. To wear it out. It might have taken a decade. But it could have been done. Whereas the South lacked the manpower and means to combat the North in a direct confrontation of armies…
Yes, Vietnam continued after Kent State. But it was a doomed effort – because the moral high ground had been lost.
As far as German Jews: You err by generalizing. Not all Jews meekly submitted. In fact, a relative handful armed with the most basic weapons managed to fight off an entire SS brigade for a good long while during the Warsaw Uprising.
I say it as I see it, Dan. Sorry if you have a thin skin. I just suggest that folks take a good hard look at the site before blowing in here with their knee jerk words of wisdom (you know, like going out and shooting bureaucrats).
I’ve been promoting the liberty message for 20+ years. Many here have been doing it much longer. There is a wealth of collective wisdom and knowledge available here that can fast track even the most hardcore of statists to the front of the freedom and liberty movement.
The problem is the false flag or just plain manufactured event that never really happened. The US government gets its moral high ground through this just as often as it does by instigating an attack.
Iran seems to understand how fedgov operates. I knows to just take the abuse because it knows fed gov will use them rightfully striking back as an excuse. That is what Eric is saying, don’t give them the excuse.
But what happens when fedgov goes false flag or just creates a fictional event?
Well Eric you’ve made your case for being passive. Your insistence that Kent State was a succesful example of your NAP theory only proves what an ideologue you are. Seven years after Kent State we finally leave Vietnam and you imply that as a victory for your NAP theory ? Ridiculous.
Oh……and several hundred Jewish defenders in the Warsaw Ghetto, ten years after AH’s attack attacks on Jews
OK tough guy, what’s YOUR line in the sand? And what have YOU done when it’s crossed?
You must have survived your stand since you’re writing here unless…
…Oh, you haven’t made it yet!
You’re here, provocateuring for others to do it.
Well Eric you’ve made your case for being passive. Your insistence that Kent State was a succesful example of your NAP theory only proves what an ideologue you are. Seven years after Kent State we finally leave Vietnam and you imply that as a victory for your NAP theory ? Ridiculous.
Oh……and several hundred Jewish defenders in the Warsaw Ghetto, ten years after AH’s attacks on Jews commences, qualifies as “resistance” to you ? Can’t you provide a more honest argument than the Warsaw Ghetto? Six million Jews went to their deaths because they waited for the knock at the door. And when that knock came they were defenseless. Their arms registered and confiscated by the NAZI .gov.
The best defense is a good offense.
If your charge is that my absolute defense of the NAP makes me an “ideologue,” so be it. I won’t countenance exceptions to the NAP because if I do, then I have lost any ethical basis for defending the NAP. I have become a Republican – or a Democrat. Or some other species of would-be controller.
Look: You are absolutely correct that we’ve been aggressed against egregiously already. But we must be very careful about choosing when the time has come to physically resist. If we do it before the right moment, before they initiate a provocation, all that will happen is that a handful of us will be carted away (alive or not) and disappeared. Learn from history. The time was not right in 1770 – even though there were good men who saw what was coming. Most men did not see it – or want to face up to it. By 1775, things had changed. All it took was that one last straw…. the attempted seizure of the colonials’ arms. Such a last straw moment may be close to developing in our time. But we must bide our time. Because the time is not yet.
Just like Fort Sumter wasn’t the beginning of the war of northern aggression, the same is happening today, on purpose, to create a public villain?:
“Did you know that most historians believe that the Civil War began as a result of what has become known as “Bleeding Kansas?” When the Kansas-Nebraska Act allowed the Kansas Territory to be settled and eventually become a state, there were a lot of people who fervently believed that by the state becoming a “Free-State,” the tides could be turned in the ongoing issue between proslavery and abolitionists. No sooner had the territory been approved for settlement when eastern anti-slavery groups began to populate the area with supporters. Alternately, southern supporters saw the same opportunity and a flood of pro-slavery supporters rushed in from nearby states, especially Missouri. …
In Missouri we heard the stories of the burning of Osceola by Lane’s Kansas Brigade, the attack upon the Missouri building that killed many innocent women and children, and the forcible evacuation of Kansas City area counties that displaced many Missourians and turned the area into a desolate “No Mans Land.”
The “war” between Kansas and Missouri began almost immediately when Kansas was opened for settlement in 1854, seven years before the Civil War officially began. No doubt, both sides were ugly — it was a “war” between people that had strong opposing sentiments and lifestyles at stake. …”
Well Methhead….here we go with the attacks. Your addressing me as “tough guy” shows just how intolerant you NAPers really are.
What I do and plan to do is my business. Perhaps Methead you can array a list or even one argument to justify refraining from belligerence ?
Its disappointing to come to a site where the long-term peanut gallery feels they have to attack those who challenge the status quo.
Methhead….what I do or plan to do won’t be broadcast here. But it is obvious that you NAPers won’t be relied upon to do much except toss out the ad hominems.
You’re not being attacked – just disagreed with.
You seem to be advocating aggressive violence. Not only do I disagree with that as a matter of principle (as explained) but for reasons that ought to be obvious, cannot permit such here.
If this is not acceptable to you, I’m sorry. Because the people here are people who agree with you – for the most part. We just disagree on tactics.
PS: The people you disparage as a “peanut gallery” are among the brightest, most thoughtful people I’ve ever met. You’d be well-advised to get to know them a little better.
“Your addressing me as “tough guy” shows just how intolerant you NAPers really are.”
That’s funny, bordering on silly.
Your skin is too thin at the moment, Dan.
Also, you generalize way too much.
My position is very clear; it’s in several comments just on this article.
I and others have explained at length the reasons for not “going hot” extensively.
Don’t you get it? Look at what’s happening in New York. Nobody has fired a shot–yet more and more people, including cops and sheriffs, are joining the resistance.
If they keep it up, Cuomo could fold without us wasting a single precious round.
But “go hot” now–attack anyone–and you lose the moral high ground.
Your comparisons to the Jews are invalid; it’s not the same. The Jews’ time to fight was when the Nazis tried to disarm them, before gun registration…after that, it was almost impossible to fight back. The Warsaw Ghetto was too little, too late.
We’re not there yet; and I won’t go there–to the ghetto, or the camps, EVER. We get to learn from history and avoid the same mistakes.
The Jews submitted to gun registration. Then confiscation.
We will do neither. And we will win, possibly with no bloodshed.
Sammy, is today opposite day or something? I believe you’re 180 off in your assessment of this site.
See my other posts. I’ve been on this site about two years…and I mean every word I’m saying.
If I have to make this stand, and my children have to be raised by my best friend, then that is what I will do.
I didn’t “serve”. But I WILL serve the principles this country once stood for in the most meaningful way I can–by dying for them if I have to.
Many other people on this site will do the same thing.
And if you’ve grown to know Eric through his writings, you can damn-well bet he will do the same.
Not many of us here will lick the hand that feeds them, or let the chains rest lightly. We’ve been nipping and rattling for years; this time around, it’s time to bite back.
meth: “I didn’t ‘serve’.”
Meth, thank you for your non “service”.
Although I spent ten years in the suck as a marine, I too never served anyone but the filthy banksters, for which I am eternally ashamed.
Where in the hell did this notion come from that unless one is a pawn of the state that he/she has then failed to “serve”?!
Anyone who wants to serve merely needs to go to their elderly neighbor and ask how they can help them. Or to offer help to their laid off friend with some canned goods and a few bucks.
True service is not defined by the willingness of one to be submissive to the slavery of the Industrial Military Prison Complex and/or to the tax deductible contribution of one’s time/money to help their neighbor.
Think locally and act locally.
Ho, I forgot your, for the most part, are the left.
This character’s IFF (identification, friend or foe) mechanism is definitely on the fritz.
“Serving this country was a waste of my time. You are being re-programed by the bulk of the mass media (especially this BS site), the current administration, and self appointed “voices of reason”. Try doing a little thinking on your own, and stop swallowing the crap that is being feed to you by the left. Ho, I forgot your, for the most part, are the left.”
Goddamn, boy. I guess you read a few posts with words of more than 2 syllables and decided that the commenters were leftists.
Shit, I’ve seen a lot of assholes who don’t know anything, but you don’t even suspect anything. I’ll bet you voted for Romney and blame all of us that he lost….
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No, no, no… Don’t give the state the ammunition it needs to justify it’s transgressions. There’s plenty of evidence to show how evil it is. The actions of the state is it’s worst enemy.
It’s time to infect & subsume our enemies. Marxists who comply with the NAP are fine. Statists who adhere to the NAP are okay. Nationalists who have adopted the NAP. Fascists who respect the NAP. Theocracy, monarchy, technocracy, all systems past, present, and future are free to compete for members.
It is only the violence and death that is the problem. It is only the murder and sacrifice of the individual for the sake of the collective that is the problem.
Saying that we are a new libertarian collective who demand individual sacrifice, that is the last thing that is needed. Individually offered sacrifice for an ideal is fine, but coerced mandatory sacrifice is not.
Killing or death is neither here nor there. Not to be encouraged or feared. It is our ideas, arguments, actions, and accomplishments we need to win with. Once our ideas, partisans, societies, acquire sufficient power, the victory has happened, regardless of whether the future culture is one of violence or one of peace.
NAP means what in this context?
Non Aggression Principle (NAP).
It’s the ethical concept that it’s impermissible to use force for any reason except self-defense.
Tell that to the CFR, Bilderbergers, Illuminati………………
That is precisely the wrong action–and will ensure our defeat.
We must–and we are–de-legitimize the State.
We here already know it is illegitimate; that it is a criminal cabal, a mafia, a would-be royalty of oligarchs comprised of foreign banksters and at their head, the Capo di tutti capi, the actual “Royals”, the inbred bastard clusterfuck dried-up-cunt-shrivel-balled Saxe-Coburg-Gothe and their thousands of genetically abominated spawn.
But the others have to know it too; because they are still in their thrall. Poisoned by their GM foods, the fluoride, the chemtrails; the vaccines and the drugs. Mentally dulled, in a delta-wave state from cunningly designed TV images…their futures wrecked, their past stolen by the lobotomizing re-education camps they call “schools”. As Huxley designed, they LOVE their servitude…
…until it is revealed to them.
But they’ll fight to preserve the Matrix until then.
Go out and start a fight? The denizens of the Matrix themselves will hunt you down…because you’re a terrorist.
But go out and wake them up, tens, hundreds, thousands, millions of them–and suddenly you’re “V” from Vendetta. A hero. Or at least a patriot. And THEN when they come, with their bluster, their disease-disfigured faces twisted into masks of RAGE at your impudence, you disgusting commoner, and how DARE you defy US the royalty–THEN there need be no clarion call, “to arms! to arms!” because the people will be there already.
You’re seeing it right now. Look at the sheer defiance in New York–New York! Home of the New American Pussy!–where they say “Come and take them!”
The stone’s at cliff’s edge. Tickle it with a feather, and the fucker’ll go down.
But don’t incite violence; I want to WIN this thing.
Or are you a provocateur?
I have my fingers crossed.
LOL thanks Bevin, rarely I can channel some of Tor’s Hunter Thompson Gonzo(tm)
“Waterhead Fuckaround” dated 2-16-2001:
Okay, you lazy bitch, I’m getting tired of this waterhead fuckaround that you’re doing with The Rum Diary.
We are not even spinning our wheels aggressively. It’s like the whole Project got turned over to Zombies who live in cardboard boxes under the Hollywood Freeway….
!We could do with a lot more Hunter Thompson right about now!
“The Journalism Industry is some kind of cruel and shallow money trench dug through the heart of a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs, for no good reason.” – HST
Down with the IBCF-DUCSB-Dookies!
(inbred-bastard-cluster-fucked – dried-up-cunt-shrivel-balled Duchy of Saxe-…)
According to the House law of the Duchy of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha the full title of the Duke was:
Wir, Ernst, Herzog zu Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, Jülich, Cleve und Berg, auch Engern und Westphalen, Landgraf in Thüringen, Markgraf zu Meißen, gefürsteter Graf zu Henneberg, Graf zu der Mark und Ravensberg, Herr zu Ravenstein und Tonna usw.
Translation: We, Ernest, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, Jülich, Cleves and Berg, also Angria and Westphalia, Landgrave in Thuringia, Margrave of Meissen, Princely Count of Henneberg, Count of the Mark and Ravensberg, Lord of Ravenstein and Tonna, et cetera.
“Yoo Hoo! Molon Labe Soldier Boys!” – New American Pussy.
Rather than waiting until enough (what’s ever enough?) people are awake, I’d suggest that each of us be the change we want to see in others. If we lead, others will follow. Also, if such a law gets passed in your state, be PROactive rather than waiting for them to get around to you.
We can’t allow – and I do not endorse – calls to aggressive violence. This site is about de-legitimizing aggressive violence, committed by anyone, for any reason.
People….ask yourself…..”am I willing to die for freedom”?; am I willing to KILL for freedom” ? There is no alternative. One can beg the scoundrels in .gov to respect freedom and liberty. They don’t.
Are you prepared to kill or be killed ?
Dan I don’t mean to be a butthead about this but I’m a buddhist so you’ll have to forgive me on philosophical grounds.
There is a very big difference between being willing to die for an ideal and being willing to kill for one. You get it? WE DON’T EVER, UNDER ANY KNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, KILL PEOPLE.
I hope I’ve made my position very clear and I Very Much Hope you understand the difference of opinion.
Scott….so it is best to emulate the German Jews of Nazi Germany ? So you believe one should not defend one’s Freedom and Liberty with deadly force ? Homeland Security, America’s Staatspolizei, has bought millions of rounds of ammo and small arms. For what ?
You think you can vote your way out of this onslaught on freedom ? Perhaps you should light up another doobie and sing Kumbaya.
No one – not me – is arguing that we should not defend ourselves. What we are arguing against is being the initiators of aggressive violence.
Hi Eric…..nice to see you awake and active so early in the AM.
I agree about not being the initiators of violence. At what point in time does the assault on liberty become the aggression ? When do we retaliate against the oppressors ? Willl a VIPR team of treasonous Americans at roadways in ones neighborhoods across the U.S. become justified in citizens using force ? When ?
“At what point in time does the assault on liberty become the aggression? When do we retaliate against the oppressors? Willl a VIPR team of treasonous Americans at roadways in ones neighborhoods across the U.S. become justified in citizens using force? When?”
He has a point. A good argument can be made that the PTB have already initiated the violence. When they pass a law banning ownership of semi-automatics, will that be sufficient cause, or should each of us wait until the PTB’s armed minions get around to each of us respectively, terrorizing our families in the middle of the night with flash-bang grenades through our children’s bedroom windows followed by a ninja-clad entry teams pouring in from each doorway?
If we determine to remain on the defensive, we will be defeated. When it’s time to act, the best defense will be a good offense. Otherwise, perhaps we should start figuring out how we’re going to accessorize our chains.
Hey Dan – I certainly don’t want to become a Nazi, either by acceptance or choice. I don’t think I can “vote my way” out of this onslaught, but I have hope I may educate my way out of it. There’s still time to awaken people and I intend to use that time to my advantage.
I’d welcome your help.
But I might light another doobie. I don’t know the words or chords for “Kumbaya”
Please write back Dan, I think you have a promising mind. 🙂 I hope the feeling is mutual.
“WE DON’T EVER, UNDER ANY KNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES, KILL PEOPLE.”
Well, maybe you won’t but thank all that is holy that someone did or you wouldn’t be here exercising your right to be a pacifist. The rest of us will exercise our right to not be enslaved. And, again, people like you, who raised not a finger to defend the rights of others, will reap the benefits while decrying the actions those who died to allow you to be free. The hypocrisy of your position is as stunning as it is selfish and delusional.
Hi jk. Scott identifies himself as a Buddhist in his post. The first precept of Buddhism is to refrain from taking life. Thus, I see no hypocrisy in what he wrote.
Emotions are running high at this latest attempt to violate our most basic rights. We will all respond in the way that is right according to our beliefs. I can’t categorically state that the Buddhist approach is wrong. Recall that Etienne de la Boetie wrote almost 500 years ago that a tyrant can be defeated without striking a single blow…all that is needed is for people to withdraw their consent. “Atlas Shrugged” illustrates that very point. Also, Ghandi did quite a number on the Brits without shooting a single one of them.
I think it’s quite possible that the PTB are overreaching this time, and that millions will resist. We’re seeing that in New York state for now. If enough people simply disobey, we will win. Sometimes I’m optimistic about it, sometimes pessimistic. Time will tell.
Mike, as I’ve lived in Japan (a Buddhist majority and has been for centuries) to say that Buddhists adhere to their religious / philosophical teachings is quite clearly absurd. They don’t! And neither have they in the past. No different than Christians, Muslims, Hindus who manage to twist their holy writ into tortured logic pretzels in order to justify the latest atrocity. It makes for a good personal creed but history weighs heavily against it just as every religion or not has shown to be powerless in the face of abject ignorance and revenge.
Scott identifies himself as a Buddhist in his post. The first precept of Buddhism is to refrain from taking life. Thus, I see no hypocrisy in what he wrote.
There was no inconsistency in that.
My own position is that yes, the moral and ethical “line in the sand” was crossed long ago.
Morally and ethically, the American people are already well within their rights to seek redress.
That is not in question, at least in my mind.
What concerns me is that given the collective consciousness of the American public at the moment, any righteous attempts to seek redress would be obliterated by the Leviathan State, a la Ruby Ridge and Waco.
Adams summed it up nicely:
As to the history of the revolution, my ideas may be peculiar perhaps singular. What do we mean by the revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 to 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington.
— John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, August 24, 1815
Our job? Wage revolution.
The war, if any is still necessary, will take care of itself.
@MoT: Thanks for the perspective. It was surprising to me, though given human nature, I guess it shouldn’t have been.
@Bevin: Your quote from Adams is right on target, as is your application of it to current circumstances.
Mike, one only has to delve into the recent past and see how those Buddhist Imperial soldiers murdered civilians across Asia under the rubric of “just following orders”. No different than Catholic or Lutheran Wermacht, Anglican SAS, Sikh infantry, etc. etc. etc. When it comes down to doing the “dirty deed” You’ll find plenty of Baptists, Evangelicals, Jews, and plenty of others, ready and eager to put someone down just for their own “safety”. Religion or irreligion be damned. You just need to take care of your own.
… to say that Buddhists adhere to their religious / philosophical teachings is quite clearly absurd.
As I understood it, Mike was saying that if a Buddhist refuses to kill people, he is being consistent with Buddhist doctrine.
That I’m sure we all agree, is a very different proposition than “No Buddhists have ever killed people.” That is obviously false.
The Violence of the Lamas
In old Tibet, the upper classes preached mystical Buddhist nonviolence. But, like all ruling classes in history, they practiced reactionary violence to maintain their rule.
The lamaist system of government came into being through bloody struggles. The early lamas reportedly assassinated the last Tibetan king, Lang Darma, in the 10th century. Then they fought centuries of civil wars, complete with mutual massacres of whole monasteries. In the 20th century, the 13th Dalai Lama brought in British imperialist trainers to modernize his national army. He even offered some of his troops to help the British fight World War I.
These historical facts alone prove that lamaist doctrines of “compassion” and “nonviolence” are hypocrisy.
There is also another issue that I will not go into due to time and space. That is “Which Buddhists?”
Just as some Christians are truly non-violent, such as the Quakers, Amish, and Mennonites, so some Buddhists are truly non-violent. Some in other regions of China and in Southeast Asia.
That is too large a topic to tackle now.
“There is also another issue that I will not go into due to time and space. That is “Which Buddhists?” ”
Indeed. Which Buddhists? Using the plural illustrates a common misconception regarding the buddhist; unlike adherents of other philosophies, a buddhist infrequently makes a self reference in the plural. I’ve never been much of a joiner, I just want one with everything 🙂
Also, Buddhism is often incorrectly perceived as a religion. Actually, it is no such thing, at least not in its original form, as practiced in India, China, and Southeast Asia.
Buddhism is a philosophy. A mystical philosophy that can be mistaken for a religion. Nevertheless it is not a religion.
As one online source correctly notes,
There is no almighty God in Buddhism. There is no one to hand out rewards or punishments on some supposed Judgement Day. Buddhism is not a religion in the sense of being a faith owing allegiance to a supernatural being.
Buddhism in its original form, is about finding one’s own higher self through an inner spiritual search.
It is not about worshipping some “one true god” then killing “infidels” and “heretics” who worship “false gods.”
Some forms of Buddhism, I would call them perversions of Buddhism, merge Buddhism with older native beliefs that are indeed religions.
The violence in those perversions of Buddhism, comes from the older native beliefs they were merged with.
One example MoT mentioned, Japanese Buddhism, which was perverted by being merged with Shintoism and Bushido militarism.
Another is Tibetan Buddhism, aka Lamaism, which was perverted by being merged with “Bon” a primitive form of animist superstition, and transformed into a particularly brutal form of theocracy.
See: The True Face Of The Dalai Lama
“Japanese Buddhism, which was perverted by being merged with Shintoism and Bushido militarism. ”
I actually came to Buddhism through Zen, which inspired Bushido.
I don’t feel bad about that. Zen created a moral discourse that had a profound influence on Bushido in my opinion, one that I admire and could be proud of had I been responsible for it in any way.
I don’t think we’re really in disagreement.
I am an atheist. I have no love for any organized religion. But when people ask me what my spiritual orientation is I usually say, “Dao and Zen.”
Dao and Zen are not really religions. They are secular philosophies that resemble religion due to their spiritual component. But that spiritual component is atheistic, and does not posit some giant clover in the sky.
Zen as you know, originated in China. Zen is basically Indian Buddhism merged with Chinese Daoism. I have no problem with either Indian Buddhism or Chinese Zen Buddhism. I agree with nearly all of its tenets.
Zen is a school of Mahayana Buddhism that originated in China during the 6th century as Cha’n. From China, Zen spread south to Vietnam, to Korea and east to Japan.
The word Zen is derived from the Japanese pronunciation of the Middle Chinese word 禪 Dzyen (Modern Mandarin: Cha’n), which in turn is derived from the Sanskrit word dhya-na, which can be approximately translated as “absorption” or “meditative state”.
What I have a problem with is Bushido militarism appropriating Zen for its own nefarious ends.
Zen Buddhist monks in China and Southeast Asia subscribe to the NAP. They may not be pacifists like the Quakers and the Amish. But they do not initiate force. They use martial arts to defend themselves, but not to commit aggression.
Practitioners of Samurai fascism by contrast, do not subscribe to the NAP. They are thugscrum who have learned to slaughter other human beings in violation of the NAP more efficiently through meditation.
That is the distinction I am drawing.
Remember “The Sopranos?”
Tony Soprano sought therapy so that he could be a more effective mob boss, and not have anxiety attacks.
That is what Japanese samurai fascists who misused Zen Buddhism to make themselves more efficient murderers did.
Nothing wrong with Zen Buddhism in China or in Japan. As long as it is not put to the wrong use.
It’s like guns. Guns can be used by clovers to deprive others of liberty. Guns can be used by libertarians to defend liberty.
Defending yourself is one thing. Going out looking for a fight is another.
Indeed, spacing is very important!
Secret Teachings of Self-Defense
Assemble your Shinai
Begin your Training in Kendo
From what I’ve seen, it is the PTB that are going out looking for a fight.
Agreed. I think it’s a valid question: do we sit and wait for them to come to our doors en masse in the middle of the night before we do anything?
Defending oneself applies not only to a real aggression against one’s person but also to a credible threat of aggression.
If someone has a gun pointed at your head, you don’t have to wait for him to pull the trigger before you can make a moral case for defending yourself.
I agree in principle – it’s tactics we disagree about.
Example: Ethically speaking, I have every right to defend myself against a cop who demands I “buckle up for safety.” But I’m not prepared to pursue that to its logical conclusion – not yet. I value my own life too much. Plus, few people would support me. On the other hand, if cops come to my house and assault me for having the audacity to insist on my right to possess the means of self-defense, that’s not only a moment when a tactical retreat no longer serves any purpose, but when it’s obvious to most sentient people who’s right – and who’s wrong. The value of that cannot be over-stated.
The First Rule of Fight Club: Nobody talks about Fight Club.
The Second Rule of Fight Club: You DO NOT talk about FIGHT CLUB.
“Defending oneself applies not only to a real aggression against one’s person but also to a credible threat of aggression.”
And this would be the doctrine of preemptive action ushered to ascendancy by our recent fearless leader, Shrub? We send drones to Pakistan to kill the children of journalists who might someday, with a good tailwind, cause trouble?
There is no sane justification for that behavior in my opinion. It’s one thing to guess what the future might bring for personal gain (for example I believe in ultra-capacitor technology at the moment) another entirely to consider taking life on a bet.
Hey Saul…..define the .gov offense that will meet your criteria for self-defense.
But of course, being members of the Shinkage-ryu, we’re all ready to do it at the blink of an eye 🙂
I absolutely understand (and empathize with) your anger. However, I second (and third) what others here have already stated: Aggressive violence is not the answer – it is the very thing we’re trying to de-legitimize.
Our task is to awaken as many of our fellow citizens as we possibly can. If we manage to awaken enough of them, things will take care of themselves without violence.
This system relies on the intellectual-ethical complicity of “most people.” Therefore, it rarely needs to be overtly violent to achieve its ends. If we can kick out the chair of complicity from underneath the system, it will topple like the fat, bloated bully it is.
Imagine: Millions of people who just say no.
It could change the world.
Eric, we are living under tyranny. US .gov VIPR teams on our highways, TSA Americans assaulting us as we make constitutional efforts to travel. Do you believe the men at Concord & Lexington should not have engaged the Lobsterbacks that day April 19th, 1775 ?
Learn from history Eric……Kent State a peaceful protest that was ended in a fusilade of bullets by US Army troops against unarmed Americans. That one action alone should be warning enough to Americans.
Yes, I understand. But the key is to not be the initiator of violence. To reject out of hand all but defensive use of violence. That goes for everything. From the “war on (some) drugs” to the warrrnterr to the war on our liberties (same thing).
We must occupy the moral high ground. We must adhere to the NAP. This is a point that must be hammered into the heads of Republicans especially. Because so many still do not realize that by endorsing the use of aggressive violence against others for any reason (such as imposing their moral-patriotic fetishes at gunpoint) they have already accepted the “big government” they claim to oppose.
PS: In re Kent State. It proves my point. The actions of the government’s thugs disgusted most people – and helped de-legitimize the government.
Yes Dan, get angry, very angry. Then wait a tick, don’t submit to the dark side. Somewhere inside there is the steady voice of reason and clarity which will instruct you in the right things to do, if you listen.
No one hands you freedom. You can’t kill someone who has it and expect it to be yours. Slowly, loosen the bonds of the lizard brain and you inner reptilian overlord, don’t react like a planarian flatworm to their shock and awe and button pushing.
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Philisophically Dan is correct. The aggression has already been comitted. Every day. You have said so yourself. Government is nothing but force. How do we come to that conclusion if someone hasn’t ever been the victim of that force?
I think what Eric and others are really saying is that they won’t use defensive deadly force until the aggression of the government is so obvious, so bad, so egregious that no one would fault them for doing so.
They are also waiting for an issue – like gun control – to bring enough people together to defend themselves rather than being painted a lone, crazy gunman by the media.
If we’re intellectually honest though, every arrest for a non-crime is an agression which would warrant defensive force. Every video on your “Maggots” page is an agression which would warrant defensive force.
Ah! Yes, thank you…that is exactly what I was trying to express to Dan, you put it in the right words:
Because if I go hunting property-tax collectors now, I’ll be a terrrist.
Five years from now, my neighbors will volunteer to help.
Well put. Exactly right.
You state, emphatically: “Aggressive violence is not the answer.”
I still have a bit to read, but – when does it become evident (to you) that the State has already aggressed, and/or transgressed? Is it only when they have a knife to your throat, or a gun in your mouth?
I think that is the point many are attempting to make, without being blunt. I’d rather be blunt.
If we wait for that knife against our throat – we’re already aced with a no-win situation. By the time you move, you’re already bleeding out. If it’s placed correctly, your movement is what causes the wound – not the hand holding the blade. You slit your own throat attempting to escape. From what I’ve read of your writings, THEN they have aggressed. Good luck doing anything about it, you’re dead in about 30 seconds, unconsious in 5. All you had to do was wait… And when they came, you were a good pacifist, and did… Nothing. Until they aggressed, at which point… You became a “violent terrorist” who “fought righteous authority to the death.”
Please, keep educating. Keep trying to wake people up. But be aware, not every mind can handle being awake; not every mind WNATS to be awake. Most prefer their delusions / illusions.
It’s the mirror image of those who are waiting for that watershed moment, when everyone realizes how bad it’s gotten, and everyone goes off to fight the second revolution. It will NEVER HAPPEN. (I say that hoping that it WILL happen, mind, as I hate to think humans are as stupid as they are. But it’s human nature, you don’t curse the flame for burning or water for being wet, right? So we prepare for the worst.)
Here’s part of the problem: There is a large portion of society which has vested interest in maintaining the corruption. They profit from our injuries (taxes, licenses, excises, capital gains taxes, devaluation of currency, etc.) Are you willing to accept subsistence living? If so, please – don’t enforce that on everyone else. But I do believe that’s what the “elites” wish for us to accede to. Just accept being a (wage) slave, a peasant.
There’s GOT to be more to life than being nothing. These people wish to confiscate your right to self-determination, to remove self-ownership. In so doing, they’ve violated both the Social Contract (Thoreaugh) and the NAP. They have aggressed by devaluing our currency (economics as a weapon), causing/ supporting wars of foreign aggression (removes those most loyal to our Constitution), then stripping those same veterans of the right to bear arms (Google “Veterans receive letters denying them right to own guns”), and at the same time, they deny US the right to defend ourselves (nothing new, BTW; first known US gun control was targeting black ownership of weapons; more recently, well – don’t shoot someone in your home unless they’re about to kill you, or you’ll be arrested. Don’t shoot them in the back, either – only COPS can shoot a fleeing suspect in the back and get away with it. )
Begging the question, but: WHEN do they agress ENOUGH to justify defending yourself?
“WHEN do they agress ENOUGH to justify defending yourself?”
This is emphatically not the issue.
I don’t understand why so many fellow libertarians don’t get it.
Every government on the planet long ago crossed the moral line in the sand. Every individual on the planet long ago had the moral right to resist with lethal force.
But the morality, as I said before, is hardly the issue.
Of course you already have the right to fight back with lethal force. You had that right long ago.
The issue is what will happen to you if you resist with lethal force, even though you are clearly in the right.
What will happen is that the government will murder you and get away with it, because too many people are in fact clovers and sheeple who actually believe the government is in the right.
Look at how most mainstream Christians reacted to the massacre of the Branch Davidians. They parroted the Clintonistas’ propaganda about “cults” and “child molestation.”
If you are willing to let that scenario play out, rest assured everyone on this forum will denounce the government for murdering you. But what good will that do you? You will already be dead.
So what’s the answer?
First convert enough people to our way of thinking. Then when the showdown occurs, the Berlin Wall scenario will play out instead. The government will collapse in front of our eyes. You will be alive to enjoy the victory.
But nobody is telling you what to do. They are merely telling you they themselves are unwilling to be the guy who got machine-gunned in the back crossing the Berlin Wall, just months before the Warsaw Pact imploded due to political transformation.
From what I read. It’s a global spiral. Some are fans of libertarianism. Less are principled libertarians. Much less are libertarian-activists. Precious few are libertarian organizers and coalition builders and movement planners.
When you allow the with-holding of tax that funds war and oppression, you technically are in violation of NAP. But you have to attack them where they’re vulnerable, not head on.
Remember Cool Hand Luke cutting the heads off of parking meters? His first error was destroying rather than “liberating” property from the state. His other mistake was getting caught. He should have formed a patriotic nuisance abatement team.
Today the top 5 IPs started the six strikes protocol. Don’t be surprised if soon your connection is throttled or suspended, or you end up in a Cuba style internet baby-gate where you can only access Facebook, CNN & Huffington Post.
EU hate speech defamation incitement rules will spread worldwide. Public swearing, noisemaking, loitering, offending will be increasingly criminalized.
Gun stores, bars, internet sites, restaurants, malls, everywhere people enjoy themselves will be increasing flooded with UN-agenda-NGO Social-cause-NPO provacateurs, watchers, lawsuit initiators, Rosa Parks gibs me thats so I gibs to the state on steroids.
Russia with 70% adult smokers will be outlawing it nationally and multiplying the price simultaneously.
Bloomberg’s soda, salt, fat, bans will spread across the US. Causing massive price increases, shortages. The goal is the masses will all experience deprivation.
Multiple world-wide crises have to be brought to a boil, so they can hide their currency manipulations in the resulting shit storm.
Since my right to be armed is the right of a free man and “supposedly” our Bill of Rights is the governments acknowledgement of those rights I don’t see where I’ve fallen out of step, they have.
They are welcome to my weapons as much as anyone else is. One round at a time, one mag after another and a cross continent game of “catch me if you can”. Good luck faggots, I’ve got principles on my side and they never need to be reloaded.
Dayummm… That Feinstein is one ugly bitch. She look lak Dick Cheney in a dress.
It’s interesting, isn’t it, that evil people often look the part.
Who you are on the inside reflects on the outside.
I think there is something to that… generally.
The saggy dissolution and corruption evident in Clintigula’s face, for instance.
Eric :excellent work,as usual…and this from a
Beware the quiet man.
“Nature gives you the face you have at twenty. Life shapes the face you have at thirty. But at fifty you get the face you deserve.”
Born Dianne Emiel Goldman
June 22, 1933 (age 79)
San Francisco, California