The Drug Whisperers

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You may have heard about people getting speeding tickets not based on the reading of a radar gun or other instrument subject to empirical verification but solely on the basis of an armed government worker’s “training,” his estimation – that is is, his opinion – about how fast the alleged offender was traveling. In some jurisdictions, this is considered acceptable evidence in court – sufficient to convict.

Now comes the Drug Whisperer. A whole army of them.

These are armed government workers such as Cobb County, Georgia’s TT Carroll – who have received similar “training” and been anointed Certified Drug Recognition Experts, ready to go to war on drugs – even if there aren’t any around.

Carroll and other “trained experts” have arrested numerous motorists on the basis of the mere assertion that they are On Dope.

Nothing more.

Certainly not on the basis of empirical evidence that they actually are On Dope, such as a blood or urine test. That’s too much of an inconvenience – and probably too factual, as well.

The “trained expert” at work…

Instead, the DRE’s “trained” opinion that the person he has waylaid – often on the pretext of a minor traffic offense, such as driving slightly on the shoulder or touching a yellow line, probably with the DRE cop car riding their bumper – is a Doper. The victims are arrested, caged and charged – and must then prove themselves innocent of the charges.

Many of them subsequently have. At least five of Carroll’s victims were found – empirically – to have nothing in their systems whatsoever. But that took months (the state’s crime lab isn’t speedy) and the charges don’t get dropped before the court date unless the DA feels so inclined.

The presumption of guilt applies.

Carroll – and 250 other “trained” government workers in Georgia alone – use scientific techniques such as “observing the subject’s attitude” – the attitude indicating Dope Fiend or not isn’t described – followed by a roadside gymnastics performance similar to the one used to suss out “drunk” drivers. Common clumsiness – aggravated by nervousness – becomes a “tell” that the “subject” is a Doper. As does refusal to perform the test.

He must be High.

The Drug Whisperer then proceeds to an evaluation of muscle tone. If your arms feel “rigid,” you’re on dope. If they are “flaccid,” you’re also on dope!

Whatever your arms feel like, you’re on dope.

Next comes a pulse check. If yours is “high” or “low” – well, you know what that means. It doesn’t seem to matter that normal pulse rates vary tremendously from individual to individual; some people have resting pulse rates around 40 beats a minute – much lower than the average 60-70. And when you are frightened – as you just might be when standing by the side of the road being interrogated by an armed government worker looking for an excuse to cuff and stuff you – your pulse rate might just go up.

Ah-ha!. You are obviously On Dope.

The probably GED-educated (but “trained”) Drug Recognition Expert can tell, every time.

Then comes the most scientific criteria of the DRE’s 12 Step Evaluation Process: It is the moment when the the armed government worker ” . . .forms an opinion as to whether or not (sic) the subject is impaired.”

Off to the clink you go. Your car goes to the impound lot. Your kids to Protective Services. Better Call Saul.

They could have used DREs during the Salem Witch Trails. It amounts to same thing, just more bureaucratized. Point a finger – witch! The DRE’s version is “I am seeing involuntary indicators of impairment caused by the marijuana you’ve been smoking” – these are Cobb’s words to one of his victims, a waitress who was later found to have smoked no marijuana at all, insofar as could be detected in her blood.

There is another parallel to Salem.

Like the witch hunters, the DRE has every incentive to form a very specific opinion. Everyone’s a witch! And everyone’s on Dope!

Note the Four Stars… a full Obergruppenfuhrer!

It justifies the exertions.

Cobb, for example, was awarded a silver medal by Mothers Against Drunk Driving for his aggressive opinionating, which put 90 people in the clink in 2016 alone, including the five known to be entirely innocent. He is lauded by his chief – a four-star Obergruppenfuhrer – as an exemplary opinionator – in the same manner as armed government workers who excel at catching “speeders.”

No doubt there are quotas – official or off the books being immaterial.

This is what’s waiting for you out there on the road – along with summary seizure of any “excess” cash you are found to have on your person, based on the of-a-piece presumption of guilty of something.

The DUI/drug charges against you may eventually be dismissed. After you hire a lawyer and pay for empirical blood/urine tests to prove that the DRE’s opinion was in error. There are no negative repercussions for the DRE who falsely arrested people, deprived them of their liberty – as well as lots of money.

It is necessary to break eggs if you want to make omelettes, you see.

The idea used to be that it was infinitely preferable to not break eggs – to avoid persecuting the innocent even if it made things easier on the guilty. That’s as much out the window, of course, as the idea that we have a right to be free from unreasonable searches, to freely associate and to not be compelled to provide evidence that can and will be used against us in a legal proceeding.

And the taint is not confined to Georgia, home of Cobb and his four-star Obergruppenfuhrer commander.

The Drug Evaluation and Classification Program “certifies” thousands of armed government workers in all 50 states. This “certification,” incidentally, is conferred by other armed government workers – the International Association of Chiefs of Police. Not disinterested third-party professionals who might actually have some expertise in the area, such as doctors.

Be careful out there. The Homeland isn’t what it used to be.

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  1. Lots of suburban and small town places are police states. Ironically the cities tend to be a bit less so because usually the cops dont want to leave their cars Cobb county outside of Atlanta certainly So is Schaumburg outside of chicago and round rock outside of austin. We’re all in occupied territory.

  2. The whole world is a prison now. We’re being wiretapped and watched 24/7.

    The elites have turned everyone into criminals, liars, hypocrites, and cowards.

    Americans say that they love freedom, but they eagerly submit when the government forces them to give DNA samples, give fingerprints, get microchip implants, and be registered in a facial scan database. Even if your wife tells you did that right thing by cooperating, you will still feel like a pussy for just being another weak dullard.

    There is really no reason to work now that everything is illegal and the 1% will end up with everything through taxes, forfeiture, fines, inflation, tariffs, subsidies, and fees.

    If we’re being treated like criminals, we might as well act like it. When doing good and doing bad both are illegal and the government and illegal aliens don’t obey the law, why obey the law at all?

    The elites give the politicians campaign donations and cushy job promises to make decrees, the Gestapo enforces the laws, and the 99% obeys the laws. The only reason the system works now is because everyone still thinks it is legit. If no one obeyed, the whole rigged game would crumble.

    One way to protest if you have any artistic skills is to record songs, write books, and paint pictures promoting freedom and encouraging resistance.

    Now that the USA is a bankrupt warmongering police state, Americans must know how Germans felt like in 1932.

    Every country has the government it deserves.

      • I wasn’t there. But it stands to reason someone in America paid for the property. They were just another good at the time. I think it is still something people should have a right to do.

        If someone wants to have his family be paid to be a slave.

        Why should I stop him?

        Slaves being involuntary is a false narrative. In the same vein as all hookers today being human trafficking victims.

  3. How about some serious lawsuits?
    The only problem with that is, if successful, the poor taxpayers of the jurisdiction will get stuck with the bill. And most likely the cop gets a free pass.

    • Most public officials are required to take an oath and have a bond. The bond is to cover any malfeasance, and is the personal responsibility and cost of the individual. It’s mostly ignored but should be brought to the forefront thorough the also ignored independent (People’s) grand jury.

      ” The oath of office first appeared in the Constitution of 1845 . The clause requiring a denial of bribery first appeared in the present constitution and was the direct outcome of the official corruption which had reached alarming proportions during the reconstruction period.3 In 1956, Article XVI, §1 was amended to add an oath to be taken by the Secretary of State and all other appointive officers of the State.” (Texas)

        • Sovereign immunity doesn’t extend to criminal acts nor breach of duty.

          Libertyx is correct, bonds were the exact mechanism for civil breach until the brainwashed americans started running on 100% opinion and stopped learning how our country functions. The whole deal of having the city pay for the breach of a rogue employee is new, more of the shithole america beought to us by people like you Bill. Go after the paycho’s bond and have grand jury indict him and have petit jury convict him. Same for the psychos who trained him and the prosecutors who haven’t already charged him.

          • Thanks Nobody. Here is general info for those interested:

            A proper grand jury is to be conducted by the jury foreman – not a government prosecutor. It makes sense: Government officials can’t be trusted to determine guilt of themselves. If one attempts to follow the law as a grand juror however, regarding the duty of a grand jury, the odds are you’ll be imprisoned. Example:

            DUTY OF THE Independent GRAND JURY – “If anyone’s unalienable rights have been violated, or removed, without a legal sentence of their peers, from their lands, home, liberties or lawful right, we [the twenty-five] shall straightway restore them. And if a dispute shall arise concerning this matter it shall be settled according to the judgment of the twenty-five Grand Jurors, the sureties of the peace. MAGNA CARTA, JUNE 15, A.D. 1215, 52.”

      • More lawlessness from you Bill. The whole point of paying for a government is to establish justice, this is exactlt the type of scenario the grand jury and prosecutor are already paid for.

        Bill you seem like one of the mindless millenials who know nothing about US law- you are either a millenials or a bar certified attorney because these are the two groups who know the least about law.

        • We weren’t meant to pay for the government we were supposed to create and maintain ourselves. Thomas Jefferson explains what happened instead better than I can: “The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may become persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right, on a legal basis, is while our rulers are honest, ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will be heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.”
          You are two and zero, I am 63 and lack any degree at all, let alone a law degree.

          • But Bill, Our so-called leaders have never ever been honest! Have you read my post about the first 3 presidents violating the CONstitution? And since that time: We have been lied into every war since the War of 1812. Statism has a daily 100% failure rate in obeying natural and moral laws in over 100 countries for over 10,000 years.

  4. The movie “Law Abiding Citizen” was on the right track with Clyde Shelton going after the people who refused to exact true justice (plea bargained the primary murderer and executed the accessory) on the murderers of his family. That part of the movie mirrors they way our “justice” system really works–prosecutors looking for “perfect records”, (100% conviction rates). It is no secret that over 90% of convictions are due to “plea bargains” in order to keep the system “running”. (Not so) sad to say, I was rooting for Clyde Shelton going after the prosecutor, but do decry the innocent lives lost that the prosecutor’s actions caused. The question was brought up in the movie: “did we do the right thing?” Of course, the prosecutor’s cocky attitude overshadowed true justice, even to the end. IMHO, the wrong person met his death at the end of the movie…

  5. Eric – I had Googled out this very incident and this “drug whisperer” last night myself, so we must be thinking with the same brain! If that’s so, be afraid…be VERY afraid. Seriously, my impression of this young, gung-ho Georgia cop was that he’s probably ex-military, some gullible kid that’s easily sold on the efficacy of the junk science, which he doesn’t bother to administer properly anyway, that he’s now an “expert” at ferreting out druggies on the road. It’s that sanctimonious prick that he has for a Chief that really would concern me if I resided in that county. I’d hope the good citizens of Cobb County, GA, would have the gumption to get that asshole fired, pronto, as they should not tolerate the tender mercies of their local “Obergruppenfuhrer”. Of course, If indeed I resided there, and I were leading such a campaign, I’m sure I’d be tailed constantly by Cobb Co. PD, or even be the subject of a “swatting” prank, with a gaggle of armored goons busting down my door in the wee hours of the morning, doing the “hut, hut, hut…” routine.

    The latest PSA campaign about “drugged” driving is part of the agitprop to stop the DECREASE in DUI arrests/convictions (gee, could it be that harsher penalties and steep costs, e.g., fines, “counseling”, loss of employment, etc have convinced more of the motoring public that drinking and driving is a bad idea?) with the resultant loss of REVENUE to the almighty state. To believe them, you’d have to be convinced that Jeff Spicoli and his stoner buds from “Fast Times at Ridgemont High” are out hot-boxing in their surfer van, careening down the road and being a menace to little kids and old ladies. Part of it also is that with “medical” marijuana (a bogus premise, sure, but probably no less harmful than many of the nightmares that “Big Pharma” pushed on an unsuspecting public, just ask any “Thalimode Baby”) and outright legalization of “small” quantities for the end user, that the cops have been deprived of easy busts to pad their stats and less premise to dick around with those they deem the “dirtbags”.

    The ability to allege “drugged” versus drunk driving is a boon to LEOs who want promotions and to look like a “hero”. To secure a conviction for “Drunk” driving, it’s generally a “slam dunk” if you measure out at a BAC of .08 or higher, since in all states it’s a PRESUMPTION that you’re legally intoxicated at that level, regardless of your actual state of “impairment”. In California (other states may differ on their approach, so this is a YMMV), you’re presumed not impaired at below .04, so getting a DWI conviction (the lesser offense, always a misdemeanor) is so difficult that few DAs will bother even if an arrest is made. it’s in that range between .04 and .08 that one is still in jeopardy, bc the officer can state that (s)he witnessed you driving erratically, or, if you were legitimately cited for a moving violation, then there’s a strong case against you for DWI. Some counties, rather than push it, especially if you “lawyer up”, will offer a “wet reckless” instead of a DWI, which has some advantages for the defendant, but is still a criminal offense, and counts as a DUI “prior” if you’re busted again.

    With “drugs”, including “ma-ree-jew-whan-nah”, it’s an entirely different matter. Where is the science, unlike what’s at least been reasonably attempted with alcohol, to show the correlation between levels of impairment of driving versus degrees of “intoxication” of a huge variety of substances and pharmaceuticals? I would dare say that by the time there’s enough reliable study performed, that most vehicles will indeed and unfortunately be self-driving, so the issue may be by then moot. However, Law Enforcement isn’t interested in real science, only that which can be misconstrued to serve their interests, not unlike Dr. Mengele and his ill-fated (for his “patients”) experiments on human twins. Until recently it was the “drug dog”, with supposedly magical olfactory abilities to literally “sniff out” drugs carried on a vehicle, or, to even run up to someone’s front porch, “alert”, thereby giving the cops “probable cause” to bust down the door w/o knocking, again with the armored goons screaming “hut-hut-hut” amid a bevy of racist slurs and generally profane, very unprofessional language that would get me fired in a heartbeat. Then, as in a 2009 UC Davis study, where a series of double-blinded tests showed that the “trained” drug dogs and their handlers experienced “false positives” about FIFTY PERCENT of the sample, the truth was exposed, that the cursory sniffing by the “drug dog” is merely a show, that indeed the animal, akin to the horse “Clever Hans” with the purported math abilities, is simply responding to the handler’s cues in anticipation of a reward! Of course, the mutt might already have scratched up the finish of your ride, or ripped the upholstery, or shat or pissed in the interior, as a reminder, even IF the cops don’t invent some bogus charge anyway, to “stay away from drugs”.
    Apparently just observing “erratic” driving, or even the bogus claim of same, is enough to dispense with any notions of probable cause, and justify an arrest for “drugged” driving. It’s obvious that the “super cop” was selecting his victims from those that would likely lack the means to hire an attorney, or would be easily frightened into taking a plea. It’s in this manner that those supposedly sworn to “protect and serve” prey upon the weaker folks, like the cowardly bullies that they so often prove to be. Along with the President’s recent proclamation to “crack down” on so-called prescription drug “abuse”, it appears we’re in an age where the police state is being given free reign to terrorize, rob, and enslave those it can, all it in the interests of the “prison-industrial complex”.

    I anticipate a run on “Guy Fawkes” masks.

    • It appears to be time for Sheriff Neil Warren to start exercising the lawful authority that the SCOTUS recognized as belonging to a CLEO in Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997).

  6. Living in a van for over 3 decades is about as close as I’ve been. When respect for any prevailing law has nothing but extensive ignorance of that law to maintain it, such law will become moot within a generation.

  7. “You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.”

    This is the mantra of every collectivist, left or right. It is a most foul and disgusting idea.*

    But maybe it is time for us to flip that idea back onto the omelette makers themselves? Maybe a few of them need to be broken to create freedom?

    *The best response I have seen to this psychotic idea was by Upton Sinclair in “It Can’t Happen Here”.

    • “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt . . .”
      – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

  8. Eric, I think that halfway into the article you identified drug whisperer TT Carroll, as Cobb, [the name of the Georgia county which employs him].

    Anyway, thanks for the heads up………

    Alan Brown
    Gwinnett county, Georgia

  9. one thing that is left out all the time when I read of the million things traitor cops do wrong in this DUI disaster is the amount of off duty cops that get away with DWI-DUI. I have been in bars where they brag about it. main problem is the cowardly right wing worships traitor cops

    • The “Blue Discount” or “Get out of Jail Free Cards – cops only” is part of the reason that law enforcement agencies and their members are losing public credibility.

    • Yep, the cowardly right wing….and the cowardly left wing. We’re still trying to shed Ann Richards’ “put em all in prison” Democratic mantra of the 80’s. Texas still has 1% of all adult males in prison even though it’s had some “reform” in the past few years and some of the reforms are dubious in their own right.

      One thing most people don’t think of is the power bailbondsmen have over “reform” in they will do anything to see it’s not reformed. They like all the unnecessary laws. You won’t be surprised to find lot of ex-cops in this biz.

      • 8, yep. The laughably labeled “Justice” system is thoroughly corrupt. It is a big business – strike that; it is a cartel.

        To me it raises the question, What kind of sick, twisted soul does one have to have to serve – and support – such an inhuman institution?!

  10. More and more people are losing faith in government, and government officials across the nation know it, so they’re pushing back. It’s going to get worse.

  11. When I was a boy in the ‘50s, our neighbor was a deputy sheriff in our urban/rural western Nevada county. Everyone looked up to this guy, not because of his badge and gun, but because he was a valued member of our community. I attended his funeral a few years ago and spoke with his son, my best friend from boyhood. We recalled how he always referred to himself as a Peace Officer. He never once fired his sidearm in the line of duty and was decorated a number of times bravery and lifesaving efforts. I’m sure there must be one or two of these guys left somewher, but I sure haven’t met any yet. Peace Officer. It’s probably considered an insult today

    • They are referred to as “peace officers” in official proceedings when someone is accused of trying to disarm one or is accused of “assaulting” one. Careful choice of words most likely for reasons of swaying opinions.

      • Anyone who knows the difference between a police officer and a peace officer would be insulting to the latter if s/he applied the latter label to the former. Anyone who doesn’t and does is likely to never do it again, even accidentally.

  12. I must say, I grew up in the 1970s without the slightest fear I would ever get arrested for anything. Cops arrested bad guys, and I never did anything wrong, so the probability of getting arrested never even crossed my mind.

    Now, I have to say that I am absolutely terrified of cops and of getting arrested. I still don’t do anything illegal, but that doesn’t matter. In the day and age of the Internet and cell phone cameras, the number of cases in which people are falsely accused and the cops lie and outright frame people is stunning. The number of charges typically piled on (resisting, obstructing, etc.) makes a simple incident an major case. The number of cases where cops shoot people who are unarmed (for “officer safety”) is terrifying.

    Even if you are not shot, and you beat the false charges in court, you’ll literally be ruined. Arrest records and ACDs stay with you; you’ll have to empty your bank account and your 401k to pay for your own lawyer; the media reports of your arrests will come up on Google for the rest of your life; you might get fired from your job simply for the arrest even if you’re not convicted. In my communist state, the cops will seize ALL of your guns if you’re arrested for the slightest infraction… even so much as pissing in the weeds. You might not ever get them all back, either.

    Back in the Reagan days I was a big pro-cop, patriotic, flag-waving Republican conservative type. I’m not any more. (Don’t get the wrong idea — I have NOT become a Hillary-loving Democrat). I fear the cops and the government ten times more than I rear ISIS or North Korea.

    The worst thing is the patriotic, conservative cop-bootlickers who are politicians, voters, and jurors. They enable all of this.

    • X, I too grew up in the 70s, graduated HS in 79. My experiences and mindset were parallel to yours. As a teenager we cruised around while drinking a few beers (although we never let a guy who was actually impaired drive). The local cops were not militarized and we respected them. If they pulled us over we would admit to having a few and the cops would just confiscate whatever beer we had left. We figured the cops would just drink it themselves when they got off their shift. We all thought it was a fair enough deal for everyone involved. The cops would not arrest us but would just follow us home to make sure we got there safely. Rarely did they even knock on our doors to let our parents know what we did. They seemed to know who were the real bad eggs and who were just dumbass kids doing what dumbass kids – including themselves when they were young – did. No harm no foul. No broken eggs necessary.

  13. These are exactly the psycho cops that our juries should give the death penalty to for treason. How many of these psychos hanging from the gallows will it take before this criminality by criminals falsely claiming to be ‘law enforcement’ ends- the answer is exactly one…

    • Hi Nobody,

      I’ve been arguing for some time that just the language we use needs to be addressed. For example, “law enforcement.” It’s as thuggish a term as I can imagine – and I can imagine a great deal. Thuggish, because it accepts at face value that laws – whatever the laws are – must be enforced. The Soviet NKVD goons enforced laws, too. As did the German Gestapo.

      Americans have been conditioned to the same mentality. To kowtow to the law – whatever it is. And to accept enforcement of the law, whatever it is.

      If Americans began to question the law, then they would realize how unjust – how tyrannical – the enforcement of these laws is.

      • Along those lines, I OBJECT most strongly to the police referring to the rest of us as “civilians.” As far as i Know, police departments are CIVILIAN law enforcement agencies, as opposed to MILITARY POLICE.
        The only logical conclusion is that the police regard themselves as the military, or ,in other words, as an army of occupation.
        in which case, it is clearly our patriotic duty NOT to collaborate with the enemy.
        Should the police ever decide that their fellow citizens are NOT the enemy, our attitudes could be subject to change.
        Losing the “four star general” collar ornaments would be a step in right direction.

        • “Along those lines, I OBJECT most strongly to the police referring to the rest of us as “civilians.” As far as i Know, police departments are CIVILIAN law enforcement agencies, as opposed to MILITARY POLICE.”

          Yes. “COP” is an acronym for “citizen on patrol.”

          • The distinction is made by the wearing of a uniform and the taking of an oath.
            COP is an acronym for Constable On Patrol, not Citizen On Patrol.
            A citizen on patrol is a normal militiaman.

              • Hi SPQR,

                I maintain an absolutist position is the only coherent position – the only one which can succeed and endure. It is, simply, that every individual has the right to be left in peace so long as he is peaceful. Period. There is no moral justification for forcible interfering with him in any way, absent harm caused to others.

                All law must be based on this principle. If exceptions are granted, everything is conceded – in principle, initially and in fact over time.

                It is exactly how our society has arrived at the current state of things.

                  • Bill you speak like a true brainwashed criminal nazi. In common law all breaches of law derive from either breach of duty or breach of peace with elements than determine the type of breach. If one has no duty then the only possible just cause for action would be a breach of someone’s peace and that principal accuser would need to invoke lawful agency upon an officer for the officer to have limited liability as an agent to uphold the law otherwise the officer would need to accept liability as the accuser. This scenario is how law is upheld under common law vs the psychos fraudulent application of statutes to people who have no duty for statute applucation for law enforcement. Proper application of law is statutes apply to those working within personhood of a government’s paid bounded capacity of oath vs only common law applicable to law abiding men and women not on the clock of government. Bill your statement proves your lawlessness if you think that statutes apply to people not working under the personhood capacity of oath. If you don’t work for walmart, walmart’s board has no lawful power to make rules that apply to you – same for government, if you don’t work for government then the government’s board (legislature) has no lawful power to make rules applicable to you – this is how personhood makes the distinction in Constitutions and statutes and why Constitutions and Statutes never claim applicability to man/woman/men/women/people. If course bar ceritified brainwashed lawless ones can see this because criminal men programmed their minds.

                    If those criminal men fraudulently claiming to be ‘officers’ are in a bounded capacity of oath by their own word and violate those bounds then they have breached their duty regardless of orders because ignorance of law is not a defense. One obvious violation that puts every state Constitutional oath taker in breach is their violation of article 1 section 10 of US Constitution; they are paid for debt of their work time in a private banks unlawful devaluing tender instead of the mandated gold or silver coin. This violation puts them all in breach and a jury could interpret their violation also a violation of coinage act of 1792 which prescribes death penalty for debasing the tender. Closer examination of the tender reveals their fraud prima facia – 1 oz gold coin minted with $50 on its face that they sell for well over $1000 (FRN) – absolute fraud that demonstrates why the coinage act prescribes death penalty for debasing tender because it robs everyone via fraud.

                    Bill, I will take your statement as evidence that you believe that an ‘officer’ can legally breach the peace of someone which would infer that you believe the officers are above the law.

                  • Neither do Mafia enforcers.

                    Of course in real life government is much more violent and has far more blood on its hand than the Mob.

                  • You wrote:

                    “Governmental officers and agents don’t have to take peacefulness into consideration before they proceed to obey orders.”

                    You sound as if you consider this is as it should be, and as if people ought to accept this as normal.

                    Do you?

                  • Hi Bill,

                    True – but that’s exactly the pedantic “the law is the law” justification objected to here. An action is right or wrong. Legal vs. illegal does not concern me.

              • They disregard, and so violate, that which they have never know or understood to begin with, regardless of whether they are on the job or not, since most oaths apply regardless. The oath taken by a military member never expires, but is usually disregarded rather than refusing to obey illegal orders.

      • I was pulled over for a DUI in 2010. Towing a motorcycle trailer. The trailer, not the vehicle strayed over the center line. I refused the roadside sobriety test both physical and breath. I was arrested. When taken in front of the magistrate the magistrate could find no evidence for a forced blood draw. Was released with a promise to appear. Grab my lawyer and go to trial. No physical evidence such as roadside test, breath or blood. My lawyer was able to get the officer to admit that I was walking fine and talking fine. No video evidence to the contrary such as a dash cam or jail cam was submitted into evidence. However, the police officer stated that based on his opinion I was impaired. Boom, the judge decided I was guilty.

        It is true madness.

      • Winston Churchill supposedly said, “if you make 10,000 regulations you destroy all respect for the law.”

        If so (and I think the statement accurate), if you’ve destroyed all respect for the law why would you respect those enforcing said law?

        • Rule a nation with justice…

          The more laws and restrictions there are,
          The poorer people become…

          The more rules and regulations,
          The more thieves and robbers.

          Therefore the sage says:
          I take no action and people are reformed.
          I enjoy peace and people become honest.
          I do nothing and people become rich.
          I have no desires and people return to the good and simple life.

          — Laozi, ancient Chinese anarchist philosopher

      • Any one well studied in the common law knows that modern ‘law enforcement’ has nothing to do with law. These psycho cops, prosecutors, and ‘judges’ will never know what law is, even as the floor drops from beneath their and the rope tightens around their chicken necks. For anyone studied in the common law it is perfectly clear that what the psychos actually are is psychopathic tyrannical criminal outlaw barbarians levying war on the US and US law. Everyone should open up the flood gates of real free speech and let them hear the chatter of the awakening giant saying our juries are going to give all of the psychopaths falsely claiming to be ‘law’ or ‘justice’ THE DEATH PENALTY!!!








          • I am shouting so the psycho cops who stumble upon this article can see the fury returned in kind via the same text style they use. I am absolute pissed at the tyranny shithole they have turned the US into via their never ending crime.

            I have seen too much tyranny across many many states including gang rape/molestation by groups of cops, paralysis by cop, torture, fraud, false imprisonment, assault, theft, kidnapping, murder, all out warfare, jury tampering, obstruction of justice, misprision of felonies and much more by the psychos claiming to be ‘law enforcement’. I am letting them to not let them know in the most stern terms possible. I have told them the same thing in open court on the record and even gone through the process to prove that bar members have already overthrown the government by blocking access to the grand jury thereby obstructing justice and intentionally committing misprision to protect the fellow bar member jack booted goon criminal law violators, I already have the proof in hand. If the american people weren’t generally lawless, brainwashed morons they would not only be yelling too but would have already formed the necessary militias to arrest the treasonous traitors in the ‘courts’, prosecutors, ‘law enforcement’ and bar administrators, put them into a lawful trial, convixt them and execute them to restore the rule of law and proper lawful justice. Those traitors already overthrew the government which is why they are levying drug war on us, robbing us and calling it seizure or taxes, committing fraud via their color of law, depriving people of their rights, breaching their bounded duty, sending innocent people to prison – false imprisonment, using violence to criminally shove crony ‘capitalism’ down our throats, murdering and maiming thousands of innocent people every year domestically, literally violating all constitutional law and all criminal statutory law, enslaving poeople to id and papers to move around and to buy, sell or trade which in total is actually all out warfare against the people and the US and US law -ACTUAL TREASON!!!

            Americans are spineless slave minded, lawless morons for letting the criminals continue with their treason for one more second- another reason for rightfully yelling at everyone for letting this criminality and self-‘consented’ slavery to criminals continue. I am not lawless, am not a slave criminals and I am not a moron – I am a law abiding man who is tired of being criminally injured and seeing most being reduced to squalor from equal opportunity removed via criminal violence to eliminate competition of their cronies.

            I suppose you are going to tell me the common law is only ‘case law’ as many attorneys seem to have been trained. While common law is derived from jury decisions of actual cases it is more than just case law. Common law is also about maxims, fundamental truths that never conflict and are always right and never wrong. The common law is also about elements that make up jurisdiction, crimes, just cause, contracts, remedy, equality, blind justice and much more. The only possible mistake that you may have mistaken from my writing is if you incorrectly inferred that I suggested treason is under common law which I never suggested. While the oath that makes treason a possible crime for those who are under constitution law capacity making treason itself under constitutional law, the process of taking the oath is under common law revealing no mistake on my part -oath in common law, treason in constitutional law. There is no mistake in my writing other than a typo.

            I have collected hundreds and hundreds of cases from english common law, read Blackstone, Locke, Hobbs, Bacon, Spooner, Holmes, Escher, Boole, Jurisprudence, Bible, traced back law dictionaries as far back through time as possible tracking the evolution of word definitions, bar peer reviewed sources back to beginning of bar, decrees of English royalty, parliment enactments, read constitutions, founders and ratifiers records and personal letters, every statute and case file I can devour, law books tracing back to the code of Hummarabi and through time from there, too many books on law to count, roman and greek statutes, Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, countless nuerophysiology/neurophysics peer reviewed work, conducted my own psychologic experiments in courts performing the scientific method to test hypothesis over and over, read works of all great physical scientists who discovered scientific laws, dissenting judicial opinions, and many many others.

            I searched for the truth and found it. There are two missing fundamental maxims of law that I dicovered from my search that are obvious once stated and reveals the truth about what law is, what errors have been made in law in the past and by whom. The maxims I discovered:



            When these two maxims are held as the truth that they are within the study and application of law then all errors in previous works of law are revealed. Locke- so many errors that his conclusions of giving up rights are invalidated. Hobbs- a total lawless control freak who knows nothing of law. The DOI perfect on paper IF you understand consent within the common law elements of lawful agency and apply to each circumstance as well as limit the understanding of a “state” to one of servitude. Spooner nearly perfect with only one error – those whom take the oath and are paid in the constitutional capacity have all elements of a valid contract present IF anyone claims to be any of “the People” for a circumstance thereby enabling treason for those persons claiming to be under the Constitutional capacity. The Constitution has errors of acknowledging slaves – all involuntary slavery has always been unlawful regardless of anything ever written because all elements of a crime must be committed to make someone a slave involuntarily.

            There are so many truths that are revealed with these two maxims of law that it literally enables clear revelations of what is actually law and what isn’t law, what laws are applicable to whom, what types of law exist and exactly where they delineate from one another and when and how they are applied to whom and where each type of law comes from. It also enables a clear strategy for dealing with psychos very specifically.

            So no, I have made no mistakes here. I know exactly what common law is, exactly who it applies to and when. I know that most trained lawyers know almost nothing about law which is why they even allowed themselves to be trained in the first place – most are total morons who must be told how to think. I also know that the bar itself does not practice law – by the bar’s own admission they offer “legal products”.

            We should all be shouting to get everyone fired up to burn the lamp of liberty brighter than ever. We are facing technology advances that threaten the eternal loss of liberty itself. We should all be yelling to let the psychos know we realize this fact, realize these are crimes like those psychos committing in this article and that we not only demand justice but will make justice for their tyranny happen as an absolute everytime BUT the spineless, lawless jellyfish of the american people do nothing, they do not know the delineation of common law vs statutory law applicability, they are literally so brainwashed that they think criminal activity is ‘authority’ and in ‘court’ the luterally address kniwn criminals as “honorable”…

            The american people deserve a good yelling because they don’t even know that war is being levied against them by criminals whom they are paying to levy war on them. The people deserve a good yelling for not hanging everyone of the psychos who is implementing forced id and papers to move around, to have a business, to prevent contracting with whom ever they wish for whatever they wish, to literally remove their divine and natural rights.

            Regardless of all this, how did you ever derive that I had mistakenly called something the common law? Your comment does not specify any mistake you believe I made.

            • I like the cut of your jib Nobody.

              America has morphed from a frontier of emerging opportunity to just a garden variety euro nation state.

              Don’t limit your anger and twisting metaphorical daggers and outrage to only “their” constructs and terms.

              The real outrage is that we’re becoming a neutered Newer England writ large with all the limitations and inherent constraints of that tiny but diabolical isle.

              America was and is way bigger than those wave predator Britannians.

              Pursue your agenda by all means but also consider pursuing the bigger picture agenda that America was and can always be so much more than anything that can be written on paper or debated in institutions.

              Semper liberi, et ab extrinseca

  14. The “science” of testing for driving while on dope isn’t much better than cops’ speculation:

    “The public is misinterpreting the statement that you can’t tell if someone’s high because of the THC level,” Urfer said. “You can’t directly correlate a number to impairment. The blood level for THC does not represent the same as alcohol does.”

    “We’re in the infancy with this, and it’s very much an unknown since we don’t have the data,” Greenwood Village Police Chief John Jackson said.

    Of course it might not matter anyway:
    “Many studies, using a variety of methods, have attempted to estimate the risk of driving after use of marijuana,” the NHTSA report noted. “While useful in identifying how marijuana affects the performance of driving tasks, experimental and observational studies do not lend themselves to predicting real-world crash risk.”

    BTW love you use of “on dope!” Reminds me of simpler times and more cartoonish idiots in charge.

  15. The ACLU suit is a good move. But how many more innocents will have themselves raped and damaged for life before that suit prevails (a huge IF) and brings some corrective results?

    How long will it be before the falsely imprison the wrong guy. Shades of that film ‘The Shooter” come round just now. SOMEONE will get falsely incarcerated and suffer through the system till he is acquitted for lack of evidence. During that time he’ll be doing his homework. Then one fine day this silver bemedalled ossifer won’t come home after his shift. No one will be able to figure out WHY? He’s ruint enough victims it could be any one of the ninety he’s raped. But the “wrong guy” will be smart enough to cover his tracks, leave no trail, no observers, no nuthin. Then it will happen again. And again…. pretty soon the remaining “eggs spurts” will begin cleaning up their act.

    The new head copper in Cobb County seems to be taking this thing seriously. New policies, etc. A small step in a good direction. But just like some have done with the “drug dogs”, taken some and proven they are not reliable, or exposing the secret signals the handlers give to ake the dog “alert” to provide improbable cause…… the drug whisperers will have their veil pierced and will turn out to NOT be so reliable. I hpe the present lawsuit brings millions to the harmed, and results in some legislative or other orders to clip the wings of the imagineers. This travesty has to stop. Soonif not yesterday. Really makes me want to go back to Georgia for a visit……

  16. Justice is going to come rather soon. It is palpable, but true justice isn’t coming in any court, only in the dark of night in the bedrooms of these pensioned terrorists as they are brought to Jesus.

  17. For alcohol prohibition to be legitimate the 18th Amendment to the Constitution was passed – as is necessary in a Republic.

    For drug prohibition, the inconvenience of legality, does not change the necessity of following the alcohol prohibition example. Those prosecuting the unconstitutional drug war belong in prison. All those in prison, for an “offence” without a victim, are there illegally.

    • Hi Libertyx,

      You make an excellent point. It’s of a piece with the practice of waging actual war without the nuisance of a congressional declaration, as the Constitution requires.

      • But, as Marbury v Madison points out, a law that is repugnant to the Constitution is void at its passage. We should be flooding the SCOTUS with applications for cert at every opportunity.

      • Eric, exactly why the drug war is actually treason.

        Bill, SCOTUS has proven they are totally lawless and part of the traitors levying war. Our juries should indict them, convict them and hang them.

        • See jury nullification –

          “The primary function of the independent juror is not, as many think, to dispense punishment to fellow citizens accused of breaking various laws, but rather to protect fellow citizens from the tyrannical abuses of power by government.”

          The Constitution guarantees you the right to trial by jury. This means that government must bring its case before a jury of The People if government wants to deprive any person of life, liberty, or property. Jurors can say no to government tyranny by refusing to convict.”

        • Hi Nobody,

          Amen. I’ll go further. Any assault or battery committed upon a peaceful person on the basis of what he does with or puts into his own body is the worst sort of crime imaginable as it is a repudiation of his self-ownership and an assertion of ownership by others. It is an assertion of Master-Slave.

        • You don’t appear to know what treason is. It is not everything that violates the Constituion in which it is defined. Those who would constitute our juries are too busy avoiding jury duty to convict anyone.

          • You are correct but when the totality of the evidence is weighed I believe the only conclusion a jury could come to is that they are actually levying war on the US because their warfare tactics are to reinterpret US law as to make their own constitutional violations and criminal activity ‘legal’. They also have an army waging their war, the bar association. If a real jury were to hear all the facts it would likely lead to indictments and being that the bar is the army levying war the grand jury would also be required to appoint special prosecutors and special judges who are not bar members to actually preside over and prosecute the case. If that were to happen the traitors will hang and the people would be officially notified that the bar is the enemy of the US via formal presentment.

  18. Note, the link you provide to “all 50 states” declares this monstrosity got its start in Los Angeles in 1970. That was a time when Daryl Gates was a Commander. You know Daryl, founder of the D.A.R.E Program. Another program using fiction and bald faced lies to get kids to rat out their parents and learn to submit and obey.

    Why am I not surprised…

  19. This Tracy Carroll character is on a par with the notorious Joe Gliniewicz.

    Say it loud and say it often: American copping is completely out of control. You will trust an American cop at your peril, ESPECIALLY if you’ve done nothing wrong.

    • That has always been true of standing armies, which is why those who wrote the Constitution did what they could to prevent their formation.

  20. It’s things like this that makes me not care about the constitution. Why waste the effort on a lost cause.

    Or worry over what the “founders” intended.

    When this is the end result of empowering pieces of paper to rule over men.

    It makes me reject the entire concept of empowering any words on any papers.

    Because it just doesn’t seem to work here.

    Maybe it works in Japan or China

    Where they have a fixed indicative language not subject to all the weaselings of English these days.

    In East Asia a hanzi logogram of a tree means only tree.

    Three hanzi logograms of trees means only forest.

    English and Euro languages have been on the decline since Linear B Greek.

    Linear B

    But as for english language documents being allowed to rule over other men. No way. Doesn’t work.

      • Back in the day, laws were carved in stone. In forthright unambiguous languages.

        Instead of using paper and ascii text and some theatrical seals and imprints.

        Nothing is stopping us from developing a new permanent language, in a new permanent medium. Really no different than how the various animals mark their territories and establish their habitats.

        Imagine the chaos if the woods were filled with deer, birds, and beavers endlessly arguing and killing each other over who owned and controlled what. Because they were stupid enough to use ambiguous and manipulative systems like humans use.

        • There is no point in developing a new language when the linguistic competence of the entire society can be seen in decline in every email, text, or online post.

          • New babies aren’t born pre-programmed.

            The world is always one generation from something completely different.

            Look how in only one generation a hard productive laborman raised a soft sanguine poet…

            My Papa’s Waltz
            The whiskey on your breath
            Could make a small boy dizzy;
            But I hung on like death:
            Such waltzing was not easy.

            We romped until the pans
            Slid from the kitchen shelf;
            My mother’s countenance
            Could not unfrown itself.

            The hand that held my wrist
            Was battered on one knuckle;
            At every step you missed
            My right ear scraped a buckle.

            You beat time on my head
            With a palm caked hard by dirt,
            Then waltzed me off to bed
            Still clinging to your shirt.

            Theodore Roethke

            Child On Top Of A Greenhouse

            The wind billowing out the seat of my britches,
            My feet crackling splinters of glass and dried putty,
            The half-grown chrysanthemums staring up like accusers,
            Up through the streaked glass, flashing with sunlight,
            A few white clouds all rushing eastward,
            A line of elms plunging and tossing like horses,
            And everyone, everyone pointing up and shouting!



            In purest song one plays the constant fool
            As changes shimmer in the inner eye.
            I stare and stare into a deepening pool
            And tell myself my image cannot die.
            I love myself: that’s my one constancy.
            Oh, to be something else, yet still to be!
            Sweet Christ, rejoice in my infirmity;
            There’s little left I care to call my own.
            Today they drained the fluid from a knee
            And pumped a shoulder full of cortisone;
            Thus I conform to my divinity
            By dying inward, like an aging tree.
            The instant ages on the living eye;
            Light on its rounds, a pure extreme of light
            Breaks on me as my meager flesh breaks down—
            The soul delights in that extremity.
            Blessed the meek; they shall inherit wrath;
            I’m son and father of my only death.
            A mind too active is no mind at all;
            The deep eye sees the shimmer on the stone;
            The eternal seeks, and finds, the temporal,
            The change from dark to light of the slow moon,
            Dead to myself, and all I hold most dear,
            I move beyond the reach of wind and fire.
            Deep in the greens of summer sing the lives
            I’ve come to love. A vireo whets its bill.
            The great day balances upon the leaves;
            My ears still hear the bird when all is still;
            My soul is still my soul, and still the Son,
            And knowing this, I am not yet undone.

            Things without hands take hands: there is no choice,—
            Eternity’s not easily come by.
            When opposites come suddenly in place,
            I teach my eyes to hear, my ears to see
            How body from spirit slowly does unwind
            Until we are pure spirit at the end.

            • “The world is always one generation from something completely different.”

              The Frankfurt School understood this very well. Hence their long march through the institutions that mold young minds.

              • Agreed.

                No one is stopping us from promulgating the Virginia School as we here at EPAustos could start to define ourselves.

                Their was no sacred magic in Frankfurt back then was there?

                They did a lot of hard work and maybe even some of them were every bit the idealist in a good way that many of us are right now at one point.

                Some how those Frankfurters got co-opted in a diabolical way..

                Maybe they were a bunch of hot dogs or something.

                • Tor, I agree.

                  It’s not as if I can produce papers of one sort or the other that delegate certain duties that “trump” everything else so to speak.

                  How do we now have an authoritative govt.?

                  I recall when I was young(when I was young….Hangover)I had no desire to control anyone other than those who might abuse me….and I had a .22 for that.

                  So what’s changed? Close to 7 decades now and my opinion means more? I have gained knowledge through my years but it’s not as if I think everyone else needs to learn from me…the very basis of “law”.

                  • It might be we lost to the TV tax.

                    It seems like the nations that charge people for televisions theses days won the propaganda wars.

                    While we were winning at weapons.

                    The other Euro nations and global subjects were winning the wolrd wide war of ideas

                    In victory, we taste nothing but defeat.

                    • The best thing one can do with a television is without.
                      My last one was stolen in 1987 and I haven’t missed it.

    • I can’t disagree with what you say Nobody. When the SCOTUS says that a corporation is no different legally from an individual, we have a severe problem.

      So why was incorporation invented? Certainly to avoid financial responsibility for damages caused by such. Now we are run by corporations of the greater sort.

      I like free enterprise but I don’t see corporate legislation in the light it’s been currently painted into.

      What to do? What to do? We probably all have a different scenario in mind.

      • Dear 8,

        Socialists, including so-called “anarcho-communists”, point to corporations and their government granted privileges, as evidence that “free market capitalism doesn’t work”.

        Mind-boggling. People really don’t know how to think any more do they?

        How can anyone deny that corporations are nothing but “welfare queens”? How can anyone deny that a system that robs mere mundanes to pay Halliburton is socialist, not free market capitalist?

      • Hi Eight,

        I don’t like the idea of limited liability. Nor of corporate “personhood” – especially since the two conflict. If you are to be considered an individual under the law, then you should also be fully liable for any harms you cause, just like any other individual.

        I plan a rant..

        • eric, you make my point. I was offered a corporate status at one time and considered it and keep it on the table should I need it. For very little money(seems like $3k or so), I could establish a corporate entity complete with book-keeping and officers leaving my name completely out of it.

          It’s no wonder giant companies seek deniability for their officers. I’ve heard it said large companies “must” do this to avoid countless suits. I understand creating corporations was the quick way around liability but it’s the entire Just Us system that needs to be streamlined so that being a lawyer isn’t a guarantee of beating the system.

          Once the SCOTUS ruled corporations were the same as individuals, deniability for liability should have been destroyed. The fact that it wasn’t is totally illogical.

          You plan a rant, I plan to read it or watch it, whatever form it takes.


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