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About twelve years separate the last Hummer GM built and the new one GM is about to begin selling.

How much has changed over that time?

Perhaps the better question is – how much has improved?

The price, as it turns out, is about the same – then vs. now. The 2009 Hummer H2 – which is the model of original Hummer most dimensionally similar to the one about to come out – stickered for $63,090 to start.

That’s $82,933 in 2021 Biden Bucks – which is almost exactly as much as GMC, which is the arm of GM that will sell the electric Hum Job – says it will eventually charge for the latter.

For now, it will charge $112,595.

Which – as it turns out – is what GM used to charge for the original (H1) Hummer that was basically a civilianized version of the military Humvee rather than a rebodied version of the Chevy Tahoe/Suburban, as the H2 was.

Anyhow, buyers won’t be paying any less for this new Hum Job – which is accurate, etymologically, since that is the sound made by electric motors. There will be no rumble from a big V8 burning gas (H2) or diesel (H1).

Which means it will be much will be less than it was, in an intangible but no-less-important-for-being-so reason.

A humming 4×4 is kind of like a tiger that meows – even if it can still bite. It’s an unnatural juxtaposition, the sound of one hand clapping.

The old Hummers were of course excoriated for their consumptive habits, but this new Hum Job is more of an energy guzzler than the old models guzzled gas (and diesel). It takes a tremendous amount of energy to power an 800 volt battery pack that weighs almost as much as a small car, itself – plus three massive electric motors – the combo generating a combined output of 1,000-plus horsepower.

Lots of volts to juice that up.

Where does that juice come from? How is it made?

It is not made by windmills – or Chinese-made solar panels. These are insufficient to generate that much power. Unless Mr. Fusions are drone-dropped to every household with an EV, the electricity will have to be generated – probably by burning something – and then transmitted via infrastructure that doesn’t exist, which will cost a fortune to bring into existence.

The power demands imposed will be staggering.

And staggeringly unnecessary – to use the charge of gratuitous consumption leveled at the old Hummer. Three seconds to 60 in a 10,000-plus pound electric SUV is impressive. It is also grossly wasteful, since no one “needs” (to use their verbiage, again) to get to 60 in 3 seconds.

And unlike last time, the costs of this need are generally imposed.

The owner of an old Hummer H2 bought his own gas; he didn’t make you pay for it. Everyone will pay for the cost of powering the 1,000-plus pounds of “Ultium” battery within the new Hum Job. They will pay more in taxes, to subsidize the new “infrastructure” needed to power it.

And they will likely pay more for their utilities, to offset the need to build the additionally necessary generating capacity being hogged by these grossly, gratuitously wasteful electric Hum Jobs.

Oh, yes. They’ll also pay more in other taxes – such as those that are devoted to pay for he roads that 10,000-plus pound EVs like the Hum Job (that’s nearly tree times as heavy as a medium-sized non-electric car) will wear out faster, if enough of them are out there pounding them to rubble.

How much oil is used to make those 20-inch knobby off-road tires, by the way? Which will also wear out faster – requiring replacement sooner, using more oil to make them  . . . on account of all that weight-load they’re bearing.

There is also the hidden – from Americans – cost of children hand-clawing the necessary raw materials for batteries out of pit mines in the Congo and the Earth-rape associated with the other necessary battery precursors – all of that need at least doubled by doubling the size of batteries and motors over what would be necessary to get from A to B reasonably.

This is or ought to be a topic of conversation.

But hold on, now! In addition to being quicker than a Corvette, the Hum Job is also able to crab walk sideways and go places no Corvette can go!

Yes, but how far can it go?

GM claims an “estimated” range of 329 miles – that “estimate” hinging, almost certainly, on not driving the 10,400 pound Hum Job to 60 in 3 seconds. Or even six. Which requires a lot of energy that – once used – will no longer be available to just keep the Hum Job moving.

The claimed “estimate” is also likely predicated on mostly city (i.e., low-speed, with much stop-and-go) driving rather than high-speed highway driving, which – given the Hum Job’s hideous aerodynamics – is likely to be much less unless you slow down.

How far could the old “gas hog” H2 go?

On 32 gallons of gas, it had a highway range of more than 500 miles. That’s almost as far as a Prius hybrid can go.

Even in city driving – where heavy non-electric cars get their worst mileage on account of the gas engine burning even when the vehicle isn’t moving and also because gas engines are less efficient at stop-and-go speeds than at highway speeds – the ’09 H2 could still go farther – about 350 miles – than the Hum Job can go, period.

Speaking of far. . .

Most people do not live near “off road” – and there aren’t many (if any) “fast” chargers off-road, either. If “off road” is 100 miles away, when you get there, you have already eaten up a third of your “estimated” range.

If it turns out to be actually half, you’d better turn back.

GM says the Hum Job will however be able to recover “up to” 100 miles of range in just ten minutes  . . . if you can find a “fast” charger. This is only twice as long as it took to recover 350-500 miles of range by gassing up the old “gas hog.”

Which wasn’t a time hog.

Also, by gassing it to full you didn’t risk a fire or reduce the thing’s service life – two of the “features” that attend “fast charging” the Hum Job – and every other battery-powered appliance.

But never mind. It’s “cool.” Look at it crab walk!

Tell it to the kid clawing cobalt from the side of a pit mine in the Congo.

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  1. Gosh, what a bunch of fuddy daddy’s. Complaining about trivial practicalities and social responsibility.

    0 to 60 in 3 seconds!!?

    I GOTTA Get ME ONE !

  2. “Unless Mr. Fusions are drone-dropped to every household with an EV”

    Do we really believe that if I started giving away thousands of Mr Fusions tomorrow, that there wouldn’t be a hue and cry about the environmental dangers of waste heat, and the fact that most of them weren’t going to LGBTQXYZ of color first? And therefore they should be banned and myself locked up next to Julian A?

    • Not to mention the Power Mafia would have instant contracts out on any one involved with Mr Fusion. 🙂 A decentralized power system would be Big Energies worst nightmare. Not to mention the politicians and regulators are in the pocket of Big this, that and the other.
      If someone ever did come up with something like that, they’d be advised to scatter shot
      the blue prints across the internet, and run like hell. Then of course, there is this approach… These pop up from time to time.

    • I have been saying for maybe two decades now that if wind or solar ever started to provide the cheap and plentiful energy that would make them useful they would become environmentally bad overnight because of chopping up birds and other issues that are presently ignored. Same with zero point or anything else. And that’s because the goal is to control and ration energy, not the environment.

  3. I have not seen one of these in real life. By the photo here, however; they do look ok to me, surprisingly they are Very much like a Toyota FJ Cruiser. Rip-off, close. Imho.

    I test drove an older one years ago on a very small specially built twisty ‘whoops’ test track at a dealership. While the test drive was fun, I would absolutely Never Ever buy one.

    Not Ever. …If it was free, I would sell it.

  4. If I wanted a Hummer, I’d ask your sister xD

    Really though, I’d get an H2 with the engine and trans about to go, then get a Duramax/Allison swap with new components, be infinitely better than this rolling crematorium

    Also, think Forest fires are bad in Calimexistan now, wait until greenies with $$$ attempt to take them offroading and pierce the battery over a rock or something

  5. That kind of performance in a 10,000 lb. vehicle is impressive, no doubt about it.
    One wonders what GM’s financial calculations look like, though.
    Cost of tooling up and production vs anticipated sales and revenue? I’m guessing that sort of traditional calculation has gone to the same happy place as traditional notions about gender, equality, merit…
    I’d look forward to GM’s bankruptcy, except they no doubt have their hands in the same pocket as Tesla,, and related entities. That would be your pocket.

    • Hi Karalan,

      GM is infected with the same sickness spread by Tesla… a mania to build the least practical or affordable EVs imaginable. To show how “cool” they can be. It never seems to occur to them that “cool” doesn’t translate into sales if few can afford to buy it. A battleship is very “cool,” too.

      • Eric, at this point its obvious that the auto companies don’t care about selling their cars to the general public. Their focus is staying in the good graces of Mordor on the Potomac. The general public can’t bail them out, when nature takes its course. Mordor can. Its all too typical of late stage crony capitalism.

        By the way that anti bot software is still running amuck. I had to scroll all the way down in the main thread to respond. This is what it says.

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      • Eric,

        That’s fine…but that’s what concept cars are for. Maybe a few luxury cars, if there are enough rich people who want them.

  6. Eric, we have a new “issue”… Some type of anti bot system has activated. It scans your browser and IP and then drops you to the title page, rather than the comment you are replying to. It says Anti Crawler spam bot detector. Its been happening off and on all day, when I come in from my forwarded mail. Sorry to make more work for you. No doubt Word Press FUBAR’ed something else with one of their updates or patches.

    • Every time I navigate here now, my browser says it’s the “clean talk” anti-spam IP address scrubber. Looked it up and it’s a plug-in that supposedly has a “blacklist” of bot spam IP addresses it scrubs yours against. Back door commenter ID, maybe. I don’t proclaim to know all the sausage of making a website, but I suspect paranoia about the folks exposing the “one virus” shills might be driving this.

      • anon 1

        No voice for conservatives not even on conservative sites, the internet is infested with communist/ccp trolls/bots, any conservatives are attacked, de-platformed.
        Even more important no virus truth talk, totally banned…….it activates the bots to attack with globalist/satanist propaganda…….

        covid hoax bots……..
        armies of Chinese bot accounts on Twitter were instrumental in promoting early lockdowns in countries like Italy while bombarding political figures who refused to order strict lockdowns, such as South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, with criticism and abuse.

        While Facebook portrays its army of fact-checkers as independent, the money behind at least one carries a distinct taint. One fact-checker, Lead Stories, is partly paid through its partnership with TikTok, a social media platform run by a Chinese company that owes its allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP).
        NOTE: troll = ccp. These trolls/bots are very active around elections and pandemics.

        note: TikTok is currently being probed by American authorities as a national security threat.

        Anybody cooperating with the cult is a 4th Reich collaborator with an occult satanic religious death cult, hiding behind a government/church/medical system fake science front.

        • anon 1

          china and nwo/wef cabal are working together on the coup to install the nwo ccp style government worldwide, the new globalist one world government.

          Patrick Byrne: China Is Taking Us Out From Within (part of the coup process)

          Authored by Li Hai

          Patrick Byrne, founder and former CEO of Overstock, said that China is “taking us out from within” during an interview with Dr. Jerome Corsi on Monday.

          “The greatest way to fight a war, in the Chinese way of thinking, is not to have to fight at all. That’s what they’ve done here,” Byrne said.

          Byrne studied Chinese history at Beijing Normal University from 1983 to 1984. He has a Bachelor of Arts in Chinese studies from Dartmouth College.

          “Though we spend a trillion dollars a year between our military and our intelligence, national security circles … that trillion dollars we have and we’ve built, you know, things that can stop all their planes and their missiles and all kinds of things. But we missed the one they use, which is not a fight at all, not firing a bullet or missile at all, but taking us out from within. And that’s what’s going on.”

          Byrne pointed out that the Chinese regime is engaged in “a slow coup.”

          “It’s a revolution. The stages of such a revolution are very well mapped out. We understand this. It’s demoralization, disorientation, crisis, then normalization: those four steps.”

          “The demoralization is what happened this year with COVID,” Byrne continued.

          “The disorientation is this kookiness we’ve been seeing for about six months,” Byrne said, referring to Antifa, the Black Lives Matter movement, and other things, such as buildings and police stations being lit on fire, and people being harassed for their political views while out dining.

          “That’s all to disorient you. It’s to tell you, ‘You are not living in the America you thought you were living in,’” he said.

          “The crisis is, clearly an imposter president has been stood up,” Byrne added in reference to the contested election results.

          He asserted that Beijing only needed to secure six counties to steal the election.

          “Political scientists can tell you, to steal the United States you don’t need to cheat in elections everywhere. You need six counties where you cheat the heck out of those counties. And you can flip the six states that they are in and thereby flip the Electoral College and steal the country.”

          Byrne mentioned an election irregularity in Atlanta, Georgia, where a water main break was reported, and poll observers and media were told to leave. However, four people stayed and kept counting the ballots.

          The water leak “was actually a urinal that had overflowed,” according to the chief investigator of the issue.

          The last phase is normalization, Byrne said, in which the “media is just beating it into your head.”

          “They’re violating every precept of journalistic integrity,” Byrne said, criticizing the media for ignoring the evidence that has been presented claiming election fraud.

          Byrne pointed out that thousands of people risked their lives to testify in affidavits, telling of the fraud and irregularities they witnessed.

          “So those are the four stages we’re going through, and it’s my assertion that the hand of China is behind this.”

          Byrne made it clear that he loves Chinese people and Chinese history, but the Chinese regime “has proven to be as treacherous and ungrateful as anyone could have imagined.”

          “What the Chinese did is they studied us, and they saw that corruption is our weakest point. And they infiltrated us, and they corrupted exactly institutions that they needed to corrupt in order to allow what’s going on now to happen.”

          “In 10 years, there’ll be prison camps with organs being harvested just as there are in western China,” Byrne went on to say.

          “So we cannot bend a knee to this under any circumstance.”

          The Chinese regime has been killing Falun Gong practitioners for their organs for more than 20 years, according to a panel of experts who attended a virtual conference hosted by the advocacy group Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting (DAFOH) on Nov. 19, and independent investigations.

          “If you bend the knee to this rigged election, they have corrupted the most elementary concept of our tradition, consent of the governed, and you never will get another chance.”

          Byrne studied the Constitution’s principles when he was young. He has a master’s degree from Cambridge University as a Marshall Scholar and received his doctorate in political philosophy from Stanford University. He indicated that the “core atomic concept” in the United States’ liberal tradition is the consent of the governed, which is determined by free, fair, and transparent elections.

          “We do not bend the knee. This is what makes us different. And all over the world, there are people looking to us, hoping we show that we are the exceptional country. This is our chance.”

      • Hi Anon,

        There is no “paranoia” here about “exposing” the “one virus.” You and others are free to post your views on that. Some seem to get riled up if those views are not endorsed, however. Which they have every right to do here as well.

        • Landru, that was my first thought as well. But the plug in seems to be activating without regard to that. Its what we’ve come to expect from Word Press. Not to mention that I seriously doubt that a word press plug in would have the code required for that type of analysis.

          • Follow up. I’ve just done some testing with a VPN and other such. It only triggers when I use my real IP. I suspect that its tagging some IP’s as spam, and then adding them to a list. I could speculate as to why that might be, but it would be only speculation. More data or examination of the code would be useful to make a determination.

            But the fact that its making a list of poster IP’s is interesting, and disquieting. That list could be quite useful to our enemies. Not to mention that Word Press is trivial to penetrate.

  7. Eric,

    I don’t know what GM is going to do, but Rivian, the other EV truck maker, will be installing chargers at the trail heads of popular off-roading spots. I don’t know who would want to go off roading in a truck costing more than $70K though…

    • Hi Mark,

      How are they going to get the power to these trail heads? I live in a rural area; lots of trail around. None anywhere near the cabling infrastructure that would be necessary to conduit that kind of voltage from a generating point.

      • Easy Eric, you install a monster diesel generator at that trail head, with a huge fuel tank. You know, one of those diesel generators that is not obligated to meet the most newly improved emission standards for vehicles? Problem solved……… I mean moved.

  8. anon 1

    recharged by a windmill?

    An observation from a Swedish engineer:

    “The notion that a nation can run on sunshine and breezes is worse than delusional.
    People might fall for the idea that we can merrily run on sunshine and breezes, alone, but with a few trillion dollars worth of mythical mega-batteries providing backup for a few minutes, when the sun sets and the wind stops blowing.

    A two-megawatt w!ndmill is made up of 260 tons of steel that required 300 tons or iron ore and 170 tons of coking coal, all mined, transported and produced by hydrocarbons.

    A windmill could spin until it falls apart and never generate as much energy as was invested in building it.”

    • Those are the real “inconvenient truths” that the uber greenies ignore. They’re either willfully ignorant or want the rest of us serfs to go back to an eighteenth century lifestyle.

      • I suspect that their leaders know it will not work. Many are not stupid people. Which means that their agenda is other than they claim. They actively want to lower peoples standard of living. They want decreased prosperity. Why? Because demoralized, frightened people are easier to control. This is mostly about power and control.

        Couple that with how fragile the debt based fiat system is, and it all makes sense. The globalists have hollowed out the US (and most of the western worlds) industrial base. They have made themselves trillions of dollars over the last 40 to 50 years. But there are consequences to their actions. You can’t have unlimited growth in a finite system.

        Now that those consequences are piling up, their political lackeys are starting to panic. Thus they use their corporate mass/social media to spread panic and fear. If it wasn’t a Deadly Global Virus™, it would have been something else. I really hope we can make it through the winter without something really dire happening.

    • Wind and solar are the two oldest energy sources we’ve used. There is a reason we abandoned them in favor of fossil fuels. Actually a couple. They are not reliable, and completely non-portable. This circumstance has not changed, in spite of all technical efforts to change it.

      • John, both technologies have advanced quite significantly. As is to be expected when governments threw hundreds of billions at them. But they are still far from the point of being useful for mass applications. They are really solutions in search of a problem. Both of them are approaching the physical limits imposed by physics, and engineering. No amount of fairy dust or unicorn farts is going to change that.

        Solid base power is best provided by either *modern* nuclear (thorium or uranium) power plants. Or one of the other stable well developed technologies (hydro/geothermal/natural gas). Hell, even coal could be used, if modern scrubbers are applied. We have centuries of supplies for all of those. Eventually, fusion will stop being 20 years away (for the last 60 plus years…) and then everything will work itself out. The trick is to get there without the Greenie nut cases, and their cronies in government destroying everything.

      • Hey, that’s pretty snazzy, actually. Don’t know how useful it is, but… I remember a magazine in the late ’80s that said the cars of the ’90s would have features like that.

        Thanks, though. I wasn’t sure if this crab-walking talk was a joke of some kind. More like crab-rolling, it turns out.

        • Agree, what is this crabbing for? It’s not enough to be truly useful off road as far as I can tell. Maybe turning around tightly on trail to get out and to a charging station?

          • The main thing that makes crabbing useful (potentially) is that the rear wheels don’t every drive in the tracks left by the front wheels.

            I don’t know what situations that’s useful for, except maybe for trying not to leave such deep ruts off road? (This thing is quite heavy).

            I look at it mainly as an artifact of the fact that the rear wheels articulate, which was probably done mostly to reduce the turning radius.

            Cool, but almost never necessary.

            • Would crabbing be useful for getting Out of mud ruts?

              A few times, I’ve felt trapped in them.

              Same with being stuck in a ditch in the snow, wheels spinning, going sideways, up the ditch, or more likely, down the ditch to find some traction or to build up some momentum to get going & out?

              Idk. Just a thought tied to bygone days.

              • I don’t know, maybe, depending on tire pressure a as d ground conditions?

                I’ve never driven one, I only know this from reading about it somewhere. Most cars don’t have this functionality.

  9. Maybe the new Hummer should come with a built in diesel generator and a diesel fired furnace for winter. Don’t laugh, because if you remember the old Beetle came with a gasoline fired heater. Heck my mechanic converted one of those to propane for his lawn tractor’s custom cab for winter use blowing snow.

  10. anon 1

    Lots of problems with EV’s

    Worldwide 80% of electricity is produced by oil, gas and coal. electric cars aren’t zero emission they are remote emission.

    The new gas powered cars run so clean they have very very low emissions, very close to zero like .00001% contaminants. The exhaust coming out of a modern diesel is cleaner then the air in a big city. ICE engines will be banned because they are not zero emission, .00001% contaminants is too high, this is leftist insanity.

    EV’s pollute more
    NOTE: The biggest pollutant emitted from new cars because they have so low emissions are from tires wearing out while driving, tire particles.
    ATTENTION: Electric cars weigh 50% more than gas powered cars so have higher tire wear, so EV’s pollute more.

    ATTENTION: Only 5% of electric car batteries are recycled, a huge pollution problem.

    In their entire life cycle including manufacturing, electric cars in total pollute more than gas powered cars. Most electric cars are designed as performance cars so they use far more energy and resources than they should. (the government regulations don’t allow the manufacture of small light electric cars which would make more sense, china does).

    The grid can’t handle large numbers of electric cars charging, if all cars are electric the grid capacity has to be increased 500%.

    Open pit lithium mining for battery manufacture, often done with child slave labour, is as bad as tar sands mining.

    Electric cars are expensive, they are only for the rich, but they are heavily subsidized by the government with taxpayer’s money, including taxes from the poor, the poor subsidizing the rich. the poor can walk. electric cars, toys for the rich.

    NOTE: The first people to buy electric cars were the most sold on the idea, the biggest believers, 20% of them are switching back to ice powered cars because of the inconvenience factor, the charging time hassle.

    Another problem EV shares with new ice powered vehicles: Electronic components have a limited life, even if you do not use them. It’s the nature of the P-N junction that forms a transistor.

    So the new electric vehicles like the new computerized ice vehicles will have a limited lifespan, when these electronics fail the car will be scrap, too expensive to fix, more recycling and waste. Only buy cars with no computers.

    But mechanical systems, like Jay Leno’s 1832 steam engine can last for centuries.
    Steam powered cars have the same advantage as electric cars, instant torque.

    • One work around for the tire wear is aftermarket wheels with SUV tires ( higher load rating), and yes my mechanic knows people that have done this and it works. The reason for changing the wheels is so you can have a better choice of tire sizes whilst maintaining the same tire diameter. Just make sure to check the backspacing and adequate clearance of brake calipers and suspension parts is observed.

  11. This Hummer is for government employees only. It is the base platform for the next presidential motorcade of politically correct limos. Bite-me can ride in comfort and safety knowing he is not destroying the environment but you Kulaks and proletariats surely are. They should call this Hummer *The Monica*.

  12. I can’t even imagine the level of hazard involved in a 10k pound vehicle going 0-60 in 3 seconds. Like driving an artillery round.

  13. I frequent some pickup forums, and one thread came up about EV trucks. I was surprised that the majority of posters (supposed truck guys?) were in favor or generally liked the idea of EV trucks. Ohh crap, I thought.
    So I posted some simple math about towing loads with an EV truck, and why it would be on the extreme side of inconvenient (2-3X travel time, etc…). Also what would happen if your end point was in a farm field for the weekend?
    Again, I was very surprised that no one seemed to care.
    Doesn’t look like we are not going to win this Eric. Our only hope is that ICE stays in 2500+ ton trucks for contractors. Or your just going to have to pay out the nose as a ‘polluter’. We all know it’s coming.

      • There does seem to be a lot of that out there. The car forum on city data had two posts. One was “What keeps you from buying an electric car?”. The other was “What keeps you from buying an internal combustion engine vehicle?”. Guess which one was deleted by the mods?

        • Dang, I never thought about that! I’m a software engineer… an old one… I write algorithms that take raw satellite ephemeris data to calculate precise position nowadays, etc, etc. And that never even occurred to me.

          They can totally do that. And, if they can do it, they’re gonna do it!

          Since I was a young man, I warned people to not get their lives wrapped up into technology. I started programming computers in 1979 as a kid… with the help of a friend that had a minicomputer than ran his business. By the time I was in college, I knew people were obsessing over this technology.

          At first I was interested in social media somewhat but several (more than 8) years ago, I saw where this was going and it has outperformed my wildest dreams in terms of bad.

          Just like with alternative medicine versus allopathic, nobody wants to hear that their wonderful obsession is toxic poison. They don’t want to put pen to paper. They don’t want to talk in person. They want to text, and “chat” and argue online.

          Now they’re arguing with machines and software that, from their point of view, are just as real as their friends or random people. I admit, I fell for it too.

          It’s poison. It’s a trap. But hey, don’t listen to me… go ahead… prove me wrong. What have you got to lose?

          • That’s a comment I’ll not soon forget, EM. The whole thing.

            Also, it’s osteopathic vs. allopathic.

            “it has outperformed my wildest dreams in terms of bad.”

          • EM, we have a lot in common- I’ve made my living with computers, started programming in jr high on Commodores and TI’s and TRS’s. For a guy like me who mainlined sci-fi for all his formative years, it still amazes me the insane and foolish uses are found for technology. (Internet of things? Haven’t we already seen the uses evil people put databases to?)

            Social media was a non-starter for me- I was never even tempted. Though Youtube is kind of fun. I like this place because the people are pretty genuine, and the clovers are mowed down several times before they finally get treated with herbicide…

    • I wonder, Chris…

      How many of these pro-EV posters are Fanbois? Put another way, how many actually have the means to spend $80k-plus (plus the rest) on an electric Hum Job?

      It can’t be very many…

      • Eric, our Corporate Over Lords™ have assured us, that there is NO child labor involved in any of this! All of those anti capitalist lies are coming from those who hate America! What? You don’t believe them? Then you are obviously an agent of Russia and/or China! At this point, I can’t even keep a straight face when typing this nonsense. There are so many holes in this Climate Change/EV fantasy that one could drive a Mobile Assault Platform through it.

      • Eric, we have another “issue”. It seems some anti spam bot has activated when you come in from forwarded email. It scans your browser and IP and then dumps you to the title page, rather than the comment you are replying to. No doubt something in Word Press is FUBAR’ed again. This is what it says.

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    • RE: “no one seemed to care”

      Reminds me of an episode of a TeeVee show I saw I can’t forget.
      ‘Malcomb in the Middle’.

      The mom caught her boy doing something he shouldn’t.

      The mom said something like: “Are we going to do this The Easy Way, or The Hard Way?”

      The boy sighed & said, “The Hard Way.”

      That, it seems, is how many people have chosen to learn about a great many things.

  14. That’s the stupidest looking p.o.s. I’ve ever seen … pitched to poseur morons who will pay $112K for it.

    Notice the three amber marker lights above the windshield? I was about to start jeering about semi-truck wannabes, pathetically trying to compensate for their microscopic, hamster-balled little pricks.

    But a little research disclosed that the US fedgov requires those high-mounted marker lights, front and rear, on vehicles over 80 inches wide, such as this lard-assed caricature of a truck. For saaaaaaaaaaaaaafety, as our favorite automotive writer would say.

    Ultimately, the market will decide its fate. I expect the same fate as the original Hummer: a short-lived, flash-in-the-pan, damp squib.

    No other vehicle more precisely embodies everything I despise.


  15. On 12/16 there was a massive wind storm down along the I-25 corridor. Strong enough to blow semis over and cause utility poles to fall. “Not a joke” as Grandpa Joe might say. Yet all that energy blowing across the plains only added about 10% more than usual, and wind production was still about 20% less than electrcity from Natural Gas. “Oh, we just need more turbines.” Except that they’re designed to operate in a range of wind speeds. Too much wind and they’ll destroy themselves, in a spectacular way I imagine. Once you get over the Goldilocks range they go into a safe mode.

    But it doesn’t matter because what are you going to do with all that extra potential power? Can’t store it. Can’t tell the Bureau of Reclamation to shut down Glen Canyon and Hoover Dam to hold back that water for later because that might impact the downstream fish, and besides they already spent that revenue from the power station.

    • I was just in S-CA for a wedding and there were huge wind farms all over the place. Approx. half turning at any given time I looked. What was interesting to me, is also approx. half of them had huge black oil stains that had cascaded down the long support tube from the power-head units. Obviously, gearbox failure.
      I would love to see some honest reporting on how much those things cost to build, run, and maintain; Vs how much energy they truly produce.
      The gearboxes are the weak link I’ve been told, and that makes sense to me, as I know HD gearboxes are very expensive and costly to own/maintain.

      • I’m not an expert but from what I understand each windmill is its own investment trust. They sell much like an REIT, where tranches are offered based on future potential production. I’m fairly certain much of Hollywood has them in their “green” portfolio as an offset to their jet set lifestyles. Germany has a lot of data from wind and solar generation on the Internet, and it seems to be feast or famine. When they’re producing the grid operators are able to sell into the EU power market and have even had to dump excess power to maintain stability. But then in the bleak midwinter (like now), they might go for days with 0 KW produced.

        • I drove past some of the windmill farms here in Central Iowa, they are monstrous & hideous looking. When they start rusting to shit, I would Not want to be near them.

          The locals I spoke to said the turbulence from the windmills split the rain clouds coming in from the West. The result being, the rain wouldn’t fall directly West of the windmills. Perhaps, not North or South, either? Idk.

          I hate very few things in this life. Hate is such a strong word.

          I hate giant windmills.

  16. What kind of brakes does that thing need?! How many fools are gonna destroy some serious shit with that weight and that HP? Once those batteries die, only the rich will be able to replace them and will they not just opt for a new car instead? Who the hell would buy one of those used?! Sounds retarded to me but people don’t seem to be particularly bright anymore.

  17. 10,000+ lbs are you kidding?
    A passenger vehicle that exceeds the weight limit on some bridges in my area!

    I’m not so interested in its 0-60 times as much as its 60-0 ability at that weight.

    I’ve seen what HD trucks at 7000 lbs will do to a car 1/2 that weight, but the HD trucks don’t put out supercar acceleration times, thus don’t tend to be driven like supercars.

    • A 5 ton SUV. That should make off roading fun. At least with an old jeep you could find a tree and use your winch to get unstuck. Good luck finding a convenient tree to winch from. If you’ve seen vehicles with snorkels for fording rivers; how will this thing do in several feet of water? Good luck getting triple A to haul you out.

  18. “Tell it to the kid clawing cobalt from the side of a pit mine in the Congo.”

    Dig, little WOG, dig. Or you can’t have any pudding.

    • Did you not get the memo? The cost of the pie in the sky, pixie fairy dust unicorn fantasies of the morally superior carbon assassins is irrelevant.


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