The headline probably has you thinking about the high cost of the EV – so high that whatever you “save” by not buying gas ends up costing you a great deal. But that is only one of the ways EVs don’t save you money.
Another one is tires.
EV tires wear out faster because EVs are much heavier than other cars – because EVs are weighed down by 1,000-plus pounds of batteries. For example, a Tesla Model 3 – which is a compact-sized car about the same size as a Honda Civic – weighs close to 3,900 pounds (two tons) empty. The Civic weighs just shy of 2,900 pounds – a difference of . . . 1,000 pounds.
That weight weighs down on the tires, which must absorb the load – which increases when the car goes around a curve or runs over a pothole. There is also the increased friction that comes from stopping that load, once set in motion. EV touters like to tout the fact – which is one – that EV brakes last longer because the EV uses regenerative braking to partially slow the car, rather than brake pads. Basically, the electric motors that propel the car are used to slow it – and convert inertia back to electricity, to help top off the batteries.
But the tires are still scrubbing against the asphalt.
Driving – and braking – a Tesla 3 is like driving (and braking) a Civic with my old Pontiac Trans-Am’s fully dressed (and cast iron) 455 V8 plus its transmission loaded into the trunk – and back seats.
EV tires are also expensive – in and of themselves. A Tesla Model 3, for instance, is shod with 18×8.5 inch wheels shod with P235/45/18 tires – and these are the standard tires. The optional 20 inch wheels are shod with P235/35/20 tires. Either of these are short-sidewall tires meant to emphasize performance, including sharp steering feel. Which they do. They also do not last very long – because they’re not meant to – and they aren’t inexpensive to replace. A quick look at Tire Rack bears this out. Replacement tires for a Tesla 3 range around $300-$370 per tire.
That works out to about $1,200 for tires – probably once every 25,000 miles or so. At that rate, you’ll be spending about $5k on tires over 100,000 miles – assuming the Biden Thing doesn’t cause that cost to increase to $10k, via further devaluation of the currency.
A Civic comes standard with 16-inch (steel) wheels that mount ordinary all-season tires you can buy for around $100 each that are usually good for 40,000 miles.
That’s how you save money.
Also by buying the Civic, itself – which stickers for $22,550 or less than half the price of a new Model 3 ($44,990) and that’s for the base model with the crappy battery that provides about half the range that the Civic comes standard with. There is also the matter of the time you’ll save – by not wasting it at a charging station, including the “fast” ones – put in air-fingers quotation marks to highlight the etymological abuse of styling a 30-45 minute wait as “fast,” especially relative to the less than five minutes it takes to fuel up a non-electric car.
But – wait! – if I buy an electric car, I will save money on oil and filter changes! Certainly. In the manner of “saving” on utility bills via the purchase of a $500,000 house with triple-pane Andersen casement windows in place of a $250,000 house with double-pane standard-type windows.
Also, you will be spending money on other things related to the weight of the electric car, such as suspension components apt to need repair/replacement sooner because of the load they’re under. Electric trucks may be different – being trucks – and being fitted with heavy-duty truck suspension components such as coil and leaf springs, things which haven’t been installed in cars in years – even decades. The Tesla 3 has an adaptive (air-adjustable) front suspension with coil-over/twin-tube shocks suspension and a multi-link rear suspension, also with twin-tube shocks – similar to the suspensions found underneath other high-performance luxury-sport sedans. Plus the additional 1,000-plus pounds weighing down on it.
These suspensions are designed primarily for sporty handling attributes, not low-cost or longevity. The likelihood is that components will need to be replaced sooner – and it is a certainty the cost will be higher. Ask the man who owns a Mercedes – or a Lexus.
You will not be saving money, regardless.
Then there is the biggest maintenance cost of all – the battery pack. Which will cost you more, because it’s so huge – in order to move the EV at highway speeds for any significant distance. This, in turn, results in it being so heavy – which increases the amount of power needed to move it plus the car it’s installed in, reducing efficiency.
You do get the power – and the acceleration – but it costs you. Especially if you use either as doing so discharges the battery, rapidly – which means needing to recharge it more regularly. The “faster” you do that, the greater the load/stress imposed upon the battery, costing you battery life. And when the time comes to replace the battery, that’ll cost you more than it costs to replace a non-electric car’s transmission or engine – and maybe both, together.
Plus the oil and filter changes.
Buy an EV if it floats your boat. But don’t kid yourself that doing so is “saving” anything – including the Earth.
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Can’t be recycled = really green energy….haha
95% of lithium batteries aren’t recycled, Solar panels can’t be recycled, Used wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds, they are made from fiberglass.
A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, (tesla batteries go up to 1800 lb. ) It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery.”
Sixty-eight percent of the world’s cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?”
95% of lithium batteries aren’t recycled
The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicone dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
Solar panels can’t be recycled
Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects.
Used wind turbine blades can’t be recycled, Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds, they are made from fiberglass.
Each EV will use multiple batteries……
Remember that to get the same level of longevity that petrol and diesel cars an EV will go through three battery packs which is hell of a large carbon footprint, and very expensive the tesla battery is $22,000, it costs you $22.00 per 100 miles just for the battery. 3 batteries = $66,000, this makes ice cars look very, very cheap to own/run….haha
EV vans are worse as they will burn through five or six battery power packs to last as long as the existing ice vans. 5 times $22,000 = $110,000 very very expensive, makes zero sense….lol
For those of you excited about electric cars and a green revolution, I want you to take a closer look at batteries and also windmills and solar panels. These three technologies share what we call environmentally destructive embedded costs.
Everything manufactured has two costs associated with it, embedded costs and operating costs.
A typical EV battery weighs one thousand pounds, (tesla batteries go up to 1800 lb. ) about the size of a travel trunk. It contains twenty-five pounds of lithium, sixty pounds of nickel, 44 pounds of manganese, 30 pounds cobalt, 200 pounds of copper, and 400 pounds of aluminum, steel, and plastic. Inside are over 6,000 individual lithium-ion cells.
It should concern you that all those toxic components come from mining. For instance, to manufacture each EV auto battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium, 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt, 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, and 25,000 pounds of ore for copper. All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery.”
Sixty-eight percent of the world’s cobalt, a significant part of a battery, comes from the Congo. Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material. Should we factor in these diseased kids as part of the cost of driving an electric car?”
When the green morons are virtue signalling with their coal burning tesla they should think of this…Their mines have no pollution controls, and they employ children who die from handling this toxic material.
I’d like to leave you with these thoughts. California is building the largest battery in the world near San Francisco, and they intend to power it from solar panels and windmills. They claim this is the ultimate in being ‘green,’ but it is not! This construction project is creating an environmental disaster. Let me tell you why.
The main problem with solar arrays is the chemicals needed to process silicate into the silicon used in the panels. To make pure enough silicon requires processing it with hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, nitric acid, hydrogen fluoride, trichloroethane, and acetone. In addition, they also need gallium, arsenide, copper-indium-gallium- diselenide, and cadmium-telluride, which also are highly toxic. Silicone dust is a hazard to the workers, and the panels cannot be recycled.
Windmills are the ultimate in embedded costs and environmental destruction. Each weighs 1688 tons (the equivalent of 23 houses) and contains 1300 tons of concrete, 295 tons of steel, 48 tons of iron, 24 tons of fiberglass, and the hard to extract rare earths neodymium, praseodymium, and dysprosium. Each blade weighs 81,000 pounds and will last 15 to 20 years, at which time it must be replaced. We cannot recycle used blades. Sadly, both solar arrays and windmills kill birds, bats, sea life, and migratory insects.
There may be a place for these technologies, but you must look beyond the myth of zero emissions. I predict EVs and windmills will be abandoned once the embedded environmental costs of making and replacing them become apparent.
“Going Green” may sound like the Utopian ideal and are easily espoused, catchy buzzwords, but when you look at the hidden and embedded costs realistically with an open mind, you can see that Going Green is more destructive to the Earth’s environment than meets the eye, for sure.
Build your own real GREEN EV
DIY electric car runs 200 miles on old lead-acid batteries
The rise in demand for clean vehicles has not only tempted automakers to rollout next-gen electric vehicles, but has also encouraged several eco-conscious individuals to use their skills to create low-cost electric rides. David Cloud is one such individual who has spent $3000 in converting a 1997 Geo Metro to run on an electric engine fueled by old lead acid batteries.
The vehicle is powered by 8” ADC motors that are included on each rear wheel and are powered by old 12V lead-acid batteries. The vehicle has a top speed of 72mph and can hit 60mph in 18 seconds, with a range of about 200 miles.
https://ecofriend.com/diy-electric-car-runs-200-miles-on-old-lead-acid-batteries.html
A bank of lead-acid batteries will total the DC voltage when added together.
12 count of lead-acid batteries would have 144 volts to produce electricity available at your disposal, usable energy.
550 cranking amps per battery, 6600 total amps available to feed the current. A 12 volt battery has six cells, 2 volts per cell.
6600 amps times 144 volts equals 950,400 watts. 950.4 kilowatts, you’ll be able to get somewhere with an electric motor powered by lead-acid batteries. Mounted inside the engine compartment, attach to the driveshaft, it will go.
12 batteries in the car, 12 extra batteries for replacement when need be, 2400 dollars invested in 24 12 volt batteries. Easy to see it is not as much as a 20,000 dollar lithium-ion battery that can’t be fixed and can’t be saved. It’s dead, Jim.
The 12 batteries will have a value of 25 dollars each when you exchange for new lead-acid batteries. A battery weighs 40 pounds of some such number, times 12 is 480 pounds, not that much weight. The lead-acid electric vehicle might only go 50 miles, seems like it won’t be that much of a pita.
Your car will run on acid. Totally based on science not green bullshit.
Time for the verdant hills, the sylvan in Transylvania, not Pennsylvania.
You can depend upon good old Oklahoma crude. har
https://welldatabase.com/texas-oil-gas-data/
“Buy an EV if it floats your boat. But don’t kid yourself that doing so is “saving” anything – including the Earth.”
AMEN!!!
Lots of problems with EV’s
Worldwide 80% of electricity is produced by oil, gas and coal. electric cars aren’t zero emission they are remote emission. In China most teslas are coal powered. In the U.S. 40% are coal powered.
The new gas powered cars run so clean they have very very low emissions, very close to zero like .00001% contaminants. The exhaust coming out of a modern diesel is cleaner then the air in a big city.
The emissions at the power plant are far higher then what comes out of the exhaust pipe of a modern ics vehicle. ICE engines will be banned because they are not zero emission, .00001% contaminants is too high, this is insanity.
EV’s pollute more
NOTE: The biggest pollutant emitted from new cars because they have so low emissions are from tires wearing out while driving, tire particles.
ATTENTION: Electric cars weigh 30% more than gas powered cars so have higher tire wear, so EV’s pollute more.
Below 90% charge EV performance keeps dropping, at 10% charge it is down quite a bit. ICE cars on a quarter tank are quicker because they got lighter.
EV highway driving consumption
The advertised range that many manufacturers brag about is the average or city driving figure. However, the highway range is much smaller, sometimes up to 50 percent less.
operating Li-ion batteries outside the safety zone (i.e. 20%–80%) state of charge, a loss in conductivity can be observed
You can only use 60% of the advertised range, in cold weather subtract up to 50% more, so what is the real world range?
ATTENTION: Only 5% of electric car lithium fire bomb batteries are recycled, a huge pollution problem.
Green EV? The only sort of green electric cars, are the ones that use lead acid batteries, 98% of lead acid batteries are recycled, only 5% of lithium batteries are recycled. One small business converted small pickup trucks to electric power using lead acid batteries, backyard mechanics would convert ice cars with broken engines to electric power, if a 60 mile range was adequate they worked.
In their entire life cycle including manufacturing, electric cars in total pollute far more than gas powered cars, people don’t seem to understand that the vast majority of a car’s carbon footprint is made during manufacture and scrapping. Running the car, not so much. EV’s pollute far more,
Most electric cars are designed as performance cars so they use far more energy and resources than they should. (the government regulations don’t allow the manufacture of small light electric cars which would make more sense, china does).
Recharging costs:
The grid can’t handle large numbers of electric cars recharging, if all cars are electric the grid capacity has to be increased 500%. There is already power shortages, blackouts in many countries with electricity costs rapidly rising, when electricity prices go up 400% your old ice vehicle will look cheap to run.
Open pit lithium mining for battery manufacture, often done with child slave labour, is worse then tar sands mining.
The biggest problem…….EV fires:
Enormous amounts of water are required: tactically, this may mean using a master stream, 2½-inch or multiple 1¾-inch fire lines, to suppress and cool the fire. Vehicle fires don’t typically call for surround-and-drown tactics, but these are not typical vehicle fires. so you need multiple fire trucks to put out the fire, this is insanity.
One example: the flames on the Tesla were extinguished, it reignited again. Firefighters began hosing it down with copious amounts of water, up to 200 gallons per minute, but “that did not extinguish the flames,” according to the NTSB. At approximately 9:13 p.m., nearly three hours after the first alarm was received, firefighters had to pour out more than 600 gallons of water per minute. In the end the agency used 20,000 gallons of water. these should be banned from the road…..
Then the fire still isn’t put out……..Batteries can be expected to reignite after being put out because they still have stored energy. 15 hours later it catches fire again…
“Battery fires can take up to 24 hours to extinguish”….. the vehicle must be parked under “quarantine” for 48 hours, so that no new fire can break out.
Batteries are difficult to extinguish, and they can burst into flames again several hours later –ATTENTION: in some cases, right up to a week later
ATTENTION: EV’s can’t replace ICV’s because………global capacity for the materials for EV batteries can’t replace even 3% of fossil fuel vehicles.
Electric cars are expensive, they are only for the rich, but they are heavily subsidized by the government with taxpayer’s money, including taxes from the poor, the poor subsidizing the rich. the poor can walk. electric cars, toys for the rich.
NOTE: The first people to buy electric cars were the most sold on the idea, the biggest believers, 20% of them are switching back to ice powered cars because of the inconvenience factor, the charging time hassle.
Another problem EV shares with new ice powered vehicles: Electronic components have a limited life, even if you do not use them. It’s the nature of the P-N junction that forms a transistor.
During the first three months of ownership, EVs were 2.3 times as expensive to service as gasoline-powered cars. At the 12-month mark, repair costs were about 1.6 times what owners of gas-powered cars paid.
It’s Not Parts. It’s Labor
Electric cars depreciate over two times faster than their internal combustion engine counterparts, a serious black mark when it comes to tallying up your actual yearly cost to run your vehicle!
So the new electric vehicles like the new computerized ice vehicles will have a limited lifespan, when these electronics fail the car will be scrap, too expensive to fix, more recycling and waste. Only buy cars with no computers.
A 1913 Bugatti type 22 is 108 years old and daily driven. A Tesla is scrap after 10 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVl3cEkSSo0
But mechanical systems, like Jay Leno’s 1832 steam engine can last for centuries, get a steam powered car, they run on wood.
Steam powered cars have the same advantage as electric cars, instant torque.
We’ve had a series of toyota priuses. THe first one we had we drove for 120,000 miles and the only battery that had to be replaced was the lead acid one. It consistently got 50 miles to the gallon. We’ve had two susequent models and they are reliable quiet, comfortable.
The newest one is a 2017 and can go about 15 miles on electric alone. I can do errands around town and use no gas. It consistently gets 50 MPG, the tired and other parts are rel cheap. Its seems like toyota really truck a wonderful balance with this auto. The overall performance in terms of accleration is anemic. But as a commuter car and short to medium distance roadtrip car in a NJ suburb, its a great vehicle
I’ve considered the “Pious” as actually a well-engineered car. Of course, it’s had 20 years to refine the design, that’s another thing in its favor.
Is your 2017 a “plug-in”? IF your juice is cheap, and, in particular, if you can charge it during off-peak hours, saving you dough and straining the local grid less, then well and good. The key thing is, as long as it’s truly a FREE MARKET decision, then literally “more power to you.”
Where I object is when money is taken from MY pockets to benefit YOUR transportation choices (EVs and hybrids not the only way that form of “socialism” is practiced), whether directly in subsidies, tax credits, or “privileges” that I don’t get, such as free use of the HOV lanes and a waiver on bridge and/or tollway tolls.
Push to EV’s through regulation…
They advertise EV’s getting 102 mpg….they should be sued, it is impossible using the technology they use, it is another huge lie….the real number 25 mpg…lol
This is the same as the carburetors that give 200 mpg hoax…lol..total lies..
Mercedes EV vs VW diesel fuel economy
The average EV owner wastes 4 gallons to go 100 miles but pays only $13.88, the tax payers subsidize it and they also use the road for free……freeloaders….parasites…
EV owner uses 4 gallons to go 100 miles, that is 25 mpg, lots of ice cars get better fuel economy.
ice gas vehicle economy example that gets far more then 25 mpg……
Fiat 500 0.9 lt. gas 8V 51 mpg city, 69 mpg highway…
https://motoreu.com/fiat-500-0.9-8v-twinair-start-stopp-mpg-fuel-consumption-technical-specifications-3921
A Tesla owner shared on Twitter the Supercharging rates from the Los Angeles area and indicated that they roughly doubled in the past years. To be sure, the $0.58/kWh rate is for the peak hours from 11 am to 9 pm, with half that outside this interval. Twitter users across the U.S. have indicated similar rates, with averages of $0.40 becoming the norm.
Before rate increases…..travelling 100 miles in an average EV uses 1.03 gallons equivalent of fuel = 34.7 kwh of electricity @ $0.16 per kwh = $5.55, that is the net amount, but….at the power plant 4 gallons of fuel were burnt to get a net 1 gallon of fuel equivalent 34.7 kwh used by the EV.
NOTE revised numbers: travelling 100 miles in an average EV uses 1.03 gallons equivalent of fuel = 34.7 kwh of electricity @ $0.40 per kwh = $13.88, that is the net amount, but….at the power plant 4 gallons of fuel were burnt to get a net 1 gallon of fuel equivalent 34.7 kwh used by the EV.
There is an additional cost for the EV owner: the tesla $22,000 battery is used up, worn out in 100,000 miles. this works out to $22.00 per 100 miles it is costing you for the battery. Total cost: $13.88 plus $22.00 = $35.88
travelling 100 miles in a 50 mpg diesel uses 2 gallons of fuel @ $4.00 per gallon = $8.00
If they paid the full cost it would = $16.00 for the fuel…. 4 gallons@ $4.00 a gallon
(under not ideal conditions this can easily double = $32.00)
Example: under ideal conditions but at top speed a mercedes EV used 90 kwh of electricity in 100 miles which = 3 gallons of gas….back at the power station = 12 gallons burnt….
Under not ideal conditions the EV efficiency drops a lot, might use twice as much energy to go 100 miles. Using the electric heater and the rear defroster and wipers in an EV reduces range. In very cold conditions the battery range can drop 50%. If the range drops 50% it costs twice as much to go 100 miles
travelling 100 miles in a 50 mpg diesel powered car uses 2 gallons of fuel….no need to waste all that fuel.
Thermal efficiency of power plants using coal, petroleum, natural gas or nuclear fuel and converting it to electricity are around 33% efficiency, natural gas is around 40%. Then there is average 6% loss in transmission, then there is a 5% loss in the charger, another 5% loss in the inverter, the electric motor is 90% efficient so another 10% loss before turning the electricity into mechanical power at the wheels.
33% – 6% – 5% – 5% – 10% = 25% efficiency for EV’s.
(under not ideal conditions it might be 12% efficient).
An Ev is 25% efficient in turning original source of energy, petroleum in this example into mechanical energy to push the car down the road.
So to end up with 34.7 kwh of electricity which is equivalent to 1.02 gallons of gas to push the EV 100 miles down the road 4.08 gallons of fuel were burnt to generate the electricity in the power station, remember net 25% efficiency. 100 miles using 4 gallons = 25 mpg, where is the better fuel economy?
The mercedes EV used 90 kwh of electricity to go 100 miles = 3 gallons of gas, but to get that 90 kwh of energy 12 gallons of petroleum were burnt at the power plant.
90 kwh@ $0.40 per kwh = $36.00
Mercedes at top speed……100 miles using 12 gallons = 8 mpg….haha…
real fuel cost…12 gallons @ $4.00/gallon = $48.00, but only $36.00 was paid, (taxpayers paid the rest haha)
travelling 100 miles in a 50 mpg diesel uses 2 gallons of fuel @ $4.00 per gallon = $8.00
So it cost $36.00 for the Mercedes EV to go 100 miles. It cost the diesel car owner $8.00 to go 100 miles.
There is an additional cost for the EV owner: the tesla $22,000 battery is used up, worn out in 100,000 miles. this works out to $22.00 per 100 miles it is costing you for the battery.
So mercedes EV owner pays $36.00 plus $22.00 = $58.00 to go 100 miles…haha…… It cost the diesel car owner $8.00 to go 100 miles.
ATTENTION: So the EV owner has to pay another $22.00 per 100 miles to pay for the battery, the diesel car owner doesn’t have that extra cost. Add $22.00 to the $36.00 for the electricity to go 100 miles = $58.00, the diesel owner only paid $8.00 to go 100 miles….
The Mercedes EV owner paid $3.00 per gallon for fuel. The diesel owner paid $4.00 per gallon. One reason is the diesel owner is paying up to 50% tax in the fuel cost, partly to pay for the roads, the EV owner paid no tax in the fuel and uses the roads for free. The tax payers are subsidizing the cost of the electricity the EV owner is using.
burning 4 gallons or 12 gallons of fuel to go 100 miles is cleaner, safer, less wasteful then burning 2 gallons of fuel?
Why are they pushing EV’s? They use twice the fuel so pollute twice as much…
They advertise EV’s getting 102 mpg….they should be sued, it is impossible using the technology they use, it is another huge lie….
The switch to EV’s has nothing to do with fuel economy or less pollution it is all about control and limiting/stopping mobility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BSdq-MpPdg&t=113s
This is similar to the fake germ, forced extermination injection narrative…full of lies….leftists lie 24/7 365….
Ev’s are the lie used to ban ice vehicles, then they will say they just figured out EV’s are twice as bad as ice cars and ban them too, then you walk….lol….and you will own nothing….haha…ice is gone soon 2030?
My friend just reported to me that he bought a Tesla and is getting free charging, at the Tesla recharge stations, for life. He’s retired, and said he is attempting to guard against price inflation vs. his now fixed savings and pension. Next time I seem him I’m going to nag him to keep a thorough log of all expenses to see how it really works out. Also, I didn’t mention the part aboot how nothing is free, and how if the control freaks have their way and we all end up in electric cars then we’ll all most certainly be paying out of our pockets for the juice (instead of all of us paying for a few of us like it is right now).
People are so mathematically challenged they can’t even figure out what the real cost is to run their car, intellectually lazy, they just swallow all the lies they are fed.
There is an additional cost for the EV owner: the tesla $22,000 battery is used up, worn out in 100,000 miles. this works out to $22.00 per 100 miles it is costing you for the battery.
This has to added to the fuel……. electricity cost……..
travelling 100 miles in an average EV uses 1.03 gallons equivalent of fuel = 34.7 kwh of electricity @ $0.40 per kwh = $13.88, that is the net amount, but….at the power plant 4 gallons of fuel were burnt to get a net 1 gallon of fuel equivalent 34.7 kwh used by the EV.
Total cost $22.00 plus $13.88 = $35.88
A 50 mpg diesel costs $8.00 to go 100 miles.
Another not talked about point of EV is the E-bike. A buddy of mine who in past years was a Pro Team mechanic but still is at it today wrenching but is servicing the general public’s bicycles He gave me a call the other night. In the conversation he told about a lot of people are being injured and killed on E-bikes in the area that he’s in. The people who are riding them are clueless about how to handle a bicycle in traffic and higher speeds. Having started racing pre-teens and did so for decades there is more to riding then what many think there is. The point here is, E-bikes are part of the easy way into the EV world and the liberals in government likely will be hands off about regulating them. People being hurt or killed will be seen as a phase that has to happen to evolve the electric transportation agenda to save the world from evil oil.
As always the liberal agenda is, the ends justify the means and any price isn’t too much to pay to get people to stop using petroleum. Why petroleum wondering minds may ask. Because petroleum is freedom and freedom as such that petroleum provides can’t be controlled by liberals.
Patrick Moore, in his book Fake Invisible Catastrophes and Threats of Doom, has hit on something. Covid, Climate, the Ukraine, nuclear radiation, all either invisible, or too remote for anyone to know anything for themselves.
The only sensible solution for electricity would be nuclear, but they keep ignoring it because they have made it illegal. How, invisibility. Fewer people have been harmed by nuclear energy than any other source of power. Yet, it’s invisible, like the virus, so they use that to keep it from solving problems. It was supposed to be too cheap to meter, but that lets there be more little people than cop people. And they can’t have that, now can they.
Some say nuclear power was kept away from 3rd world countries because they would become too prosperous with cheap energy, keep em down and broke…lol…only the globalist/communist/satanist can get rich……
YOU FORGOT ONE:
Governments dont collect tax money form fuel sales with Electric Cars so they have it worked out they will charge you 3 different ways…
1.Price per mile driven….
2.Road Pricing,each road will have a different price side streets,main hwy’s,freeways etc..plus the mileage tax!
3.Congestion Fee’s the time that you drive..
Heck here is a 4th for the fun of it overall higher electricity rates!
Remember Texas just mentioned don’t keep your a/c cooler than 78 degree’s (78 is hot for me) as they need all the electricity they said expect brown/blackouts.. Imagine if 90% of cars on the road are electric,heck isn’t the national average of new car sales that are electric less than 2%? So imagine when cars are electric YOU WONT DRIVE!
Great points.
Note that in California and likely the east coast, there are already warnings of power brownouts and even electricity rationing at times. Extremely high oil/gas prices will translate into higher electric costs, especially in places like the NE and California, where they hate nukes and traditional power generation.
Now as EVs gain traction in the market, what do you think will happen to EV charging stations? Higher costs, limited hours, easily to monitor “rationing” of recharging.
In a few months we’ll see how Team Biden deals with “shortages.” I don’t think EVs, owned by the “privileged classes” will fare under Woke “equity.”
Some really great points the liberals will never admit to. Having to possibly take out a 4-5 year loan for a new battery with $400-500/month payments isn’t very practical. In fact, what liberal idea is ever practical? Most of them are based on emotions, leftist agendas or silly nonsense not practicality or cost effectiveness. But hey, many people have to just go ahead and do it and then discover one day they screwed up. The mRNA injections are another perfect example.
Hi Tom,
I think your point in re the lemming-like behavior is apt. Bernays detailed this tendency in his book about manipulating the populace through mass-media advertising/marketing campaigns. His premise – and I think he’s right – is that in mass societies/cultures, people hew to what they perceive the herd is doing. They want to be seen as members in good standing of the herd. Those who of us who aren’t herd creatures are immune to this – and we see this. It is an unsettling sight, too – because herds are always potentially dangerous.
More ways EVs DON’T save you money:
-You will need to significantly upgrade your home’s electrical system. If you happen to have an unused 220 volt dryer plug circuit in your garage, good for you. If not, you’ll need to install one. Depending on your home’s electrical service, you may also need to upgrade your service panel
to 200 amp service.
-If you don’t have a garage, you’ll need to build one and wire it for 220. It isn’t all that practical (or even possible) to plug in your car in the driveway or on the street and run a 220 volt extension cord to your house.
-Your electric bill will go into orbit. While electricity may be cheaper than gasoline at any given time, by no means is it free. And with all of the demand on the grid from the power plant to the plug, electricity will cost A LOT more.
-You will get creamed in the depreciation department. Because EVs are more like iDevices than vehicles, the depreciation curve for EVs has got to be even steeper than other vehicles. If you’re financing an EV, you’re almost certain to be upside down on any loan. Which is why we won’t buy EVs outright, but lease them like we do with smartphones, and thus always have a car payment bill. But that’s another story.
-You will have an extremely limited selection of repair places. That means you can’t save money by going to Billy Bob and Cletus’ Garage instead of the stealership. And forget about making some repairs yourself!
-You will have A LOT more hassle and unexpected expenses. Here’s just one example: A road trip that you might be able to make in a day with a gasoline/diesel vehicle might take you a day and a half or two days in an EV because of range limits and charge time. That means having to make extra stops for meals, to spend a night or two at a hotel, and take extra time off from work.
Depreciation is the biggest cost in a car (unless it is a collectable car like an old air cooled 911)
this is the big hidden cost in Ev’s and hybrids, the deal killer, that depreciation would buy you a lot of fuel in your ice vehicle.
Electric cars depreciate over two times faster than their internal combustion engine counterparts, a serious black mark when it comes to tallying up your actual yearly cost to run your vehicle!
https://crestlineautotransport.com/blog/electric-vehicle-depreciation/
Study: EVs Cost More to Repair, Less to Maintain
Service Advantage Goes to Gas
Service visits – those that involve diagnosing and repairing a problem – were a different story.
During the first three months of ownership, EVs were 2.3 times as expensive to service as gasoline-powered cars. At the 12-month mark, repair costs were about 1.6 times what owners of gas-powered cars paid.
It’s Not Parts. It’s Labor
Why the extra expense?
Because EV problems took longer to diagnose and repair. Technicians spent 1.5 times as many hours working on EVs as they did on gasoline-powered cars. And those technicians cost more, to begin with. Working on EVs requires additional certifications most mechanics don’t have. Those that do charge about 1.3 times the average hourly rate.
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-evs-cost-more-to-repair-less-to-maintain/
Repairing Ev’s is a big problem now, nobody knows how to fix them, they are very dangerous to work on because of the very high voltage (lots of places won’t work on them for that reason), they are very complex compared to an internal combustion engine, they are new technology so people don’t understand them, so very difficult to diagnose. If you break down in L.A. there probably will be a repair place that can fix your EV, if you are in a small town somewhere good luck getting it fixed.
In ice vehicles most places would do no diagnosis, tech’s won’t do it because they aren’t paid to do it, so why should they. They would use the parts cannon….just keep replacing parts hoping it fixes it, instead of doing diagnostics properly, the customer got robbed.
Using the parts cannon on an EV could get expensive in a hurry, like a $4000 non returnable circuit board, it would be hard to hide your screw up.
There is an additional cost for the EV owner: the tesla $22,000 battery is used up, worn out in 100,000 miles. this works out to $22.00 per 100 miles it is costing you for the battery. So the EV owner has to pay another $22.00 per 100 miles to pay for the battery, the ice car owner doesn’t have that extra cost.
There are some things that are true:
1. If someone forces a “choice” on you – be it the jab or EV – you can be certain it isn’t for your benefit
2. When you choose something, you give up all other choices
3. Choices come with consequences
The downsides of EVs needs to be publicized more. The salesman or uncle sam sure ain’t going to tell you the whole truth.
How Democrats Don’t Save You Money:
‘The House of Representatives passed the Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act by a vote of 217-207 on May 19.
‘The bill, H.R. 7688, would let President Joe Biden declare an “energy emergency.”
‘Such an emergency would empower the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) to target people who sell fuel at a price judged “unconscionably excessive” or that “indicates the seller is exploiting the circumstances related to an energy emergency to increase prices unreasonably.”
‘While 217 Democrats voted for the bill, 203 Republicans and four Democrats voted against it.’ — The Epoch Times
Commissar Biden will ensure that our limited fuel rations are allocated fairly … until the gas line riots start.
There has never been a time in history where government price controls fixed any problem. The consumer markets will always be determined through supply and demand metrics.
It ain’t the car, it’s the driver
Not this time, it’s the electric millstone hanging from your neck. You don’t get to be the driver, tough luck.
Biden the Addled, the driver of the Thing somewhere, who knows where, who is definitely to blame for the upheaval going on everywhere, is driving everything right into the ground.
Yeah, right. It is doubtful if he knows if he is awake or sleeping.
It’s crazy!
Truly unbelievable as to what is going on. The President of the United States doesn’t know if he afoot or horseback. One thing for sure, he ain’t the driver, although, he’s driving everybody nuts. Being driven to distraction. Will it ever end? No, it ain’t gonna end at all, not this time, this is it, the reset nonpareil.
Ain’t gonna work with 100,000,000 EVs running around acting holier-than-thou. Millions of cars stranded on the road, not off the road, is what you’ll see.
Biden knows how to crash the plane into the mountain. Mission Accomplished, heckuva job.
I hope Klouse is happy, he’s been kind of a cockroach infesting everyone’s homes driving them up the walls. Eventually, you’ll see him in hell, too good a place for him, but at that point, it won’t matter. Another useless eater you hope you’ll never see. Klouse has gotta go.
I foresee vandals wreaking havoc everywhere, EVs would be a good target. Hack charging stations, anything. Just shoot a .243 into each charger, you win, game over, don’t get caught.
Lots of ways to bring an economy to its knees when everything is wrong and nothing is right. Nobody is going to care. Do 100,000 homeless vets care if Biden keels over? The answer is no.
You know people purposely vandalize vehicles for fun and frolic. Jealous lovers seek revenge and take it out on the poor car. You’re gonna make cars’ lives miserable, just suffering and pain all of the time for the poor car. Car doesn’t have a chance. Cars’ lives Matter! lol
The Powers that be that run the machine don’t want 90 million barrels of oil consumed per day anymore. They want the consumption to halve and halve again. Decarbonzation is just that and leads to the Great Reset, looks strangely here now, believe it or not.
Weather is not cooperating this spring, only a couple of days in the 70’s in the past week and it’s raining today with a high of 47 degrees Fahrenheit. In warmer years during spring, there would have been several days in the 80’s and a few in the 90’s.
It’s getting late, farmers just might plant not as much ground this year due to rising fuel and fertilizer costs which will then create shortages of commercial crops. Less corn, more barley.
Less corn, more wheat. Less soybeans, more wheat. No more soybeans for you soynuts!
You gotta wonder why farmers even grow crops to feed the thankless ungrateful Godless atheist fools barely existing in the real spiritual world deep in the bowels of any American city, you just don’t know why Klouse and Yuval even get up in the morning, it must be depressing hoping hapless souls on the planet will one day lay down and die, but not before they do. Makes them mad, then sad. It’ll be good for them to suffer, they deserve it, you can’t do that, ya dumbasses.
Farmers have the cure, don’t feed them, let them wither on the billionaire vine, dry up and blow away. Another Mission Accomplished.
You have to teach Klouse a lesson he’ll never forget, has to be done. Why not? Dumbass has it coming to him in spades. His life ain’t worth squat and nobody wants him around anymore. Just how it is. Ain’t worth the reversal of a Custer decision. Let him beg for his next meal.
If you want Wagyu beer-fed beef, some Wagyu beef farmers do indeed let their wagyu cattle drink beer.
Not all though, just doesn’t happen like that. Not all cows are fed the same diet, not all vehicles are fed the same fuel. Beer for the cows, bugs for thee. Just not fair at all.
New oil in the old Ford tractor, new filter, a gallon of gas to see if it starts, fully-charged battery, started on the second crank. Ready to go.
A 4-cylinder Ford engine that has been running for 65 years, runs like a top. Can’t count 2022 yet, just started the engine, not worked the tractor. Ford (F) is always a buy, can’t go wrong.
New electronic ignition/distributor and upgraded to a 12 volt system, engine got damaged, new overhaul, can’t complain. It’s my land yacht. har
A new re-manufactured engine is at 3950 USD at Ebays.
“The time to speak up has passed, now is the time for senseless bickering.” – words of wit writ on walls everywhere
C’mon man, I saw a picture of FJB in the left seat of an electric truck, and no pre-teen girl next to him!
But, but … the price of virtue signalling is priceless when I show up in my hippie rags and dreads and my homemade burlap grocery bag at the local organic Coop in my brand new Prius or Tesla.
I call these pretenders ‘fake’ poor people. The males (being vegetarians) are emasculated toothpicks with no energy. I have to wonder where the get the money to buy a brand new car because I never seen a one of them working.
Eric’s argument also applies to used cars. You simply can not recover the capital cost with a few more miles per gallon, it always works out that old Tercel or VW Bug which is was paid off decades ago is still far cheaper in total costs. The only big advantage of a new car is to advertize your wealth status, or you like all the new gadgets, or that a new car under warranty is more reliable and better for a road trip.
Where I live in south western Oregon the Prius is the most common car. Literally every block has one or two. But after 10-15 years that $4200 battery needs replacement. So used Priuses go for a song compared to other non-hybrid Toyotas – which are in high demand because of Toyota reliability and quality.
And as a used car buyer I know the previous owner is usually quite clever on unloading his car just before it has expensive repairs. Call it intuition or they hear/feel a new noise and decide to get rid of it before it becomes a problem.
Speaking of car weight, I weighed my Geo Metro the other day completely empty (on a truck scale) and it was only 1650 lbs. That is incredibly light even compared to any year Civic or Corolla. IMO they ought to put it back in production with a more aerodynamic and stylish body because it is an incredible simple car that get superior fuel economy. The early Metros were rated 52 city, 58 highway with the 3 banger 5 speed.
Here is an interesting list of Drag Area Coefficients for cars:
https://ecomodder.com/wiki/Vehicle_Coefficient_of_Drag_List
What a drag my Toyota Camry is that Eric talked me into. Your list leaves out the 1953 Studebaker coupe that was big on the salt flats for being so slippery, besides being pretty.
Given about fifty years of wrenching experience, even with my arthritic hands, I can restore and maintain a ’65 VW Beetle or Plymouth Valiant as a daily driver. The big issue would be (1) getting enough gasoline (2) parts and (3) bureaucratic interference with registering my vintage ride, as it’d be considered a “gross polluter” or not S-A-A-A-A-A-F-E.
Remember that scene in the reboot Star Trek movie from 2009? I’m kinda wondering how a 12 y.o. James Tiberius Kirk’s uncle would be able to keep a vintage 1965 Chevy Corvette Stingray running at all in the year 2245, somewhere in Iowa. And seeing that sweet ride plunge into a deep strip mine, even if it was CGI…hurt.
All those problems associated with EVs, I’ve no problem with someone buying a Toyota “Pious” (Prius) or similar Hybrid or EV if that’s how (s)he wants to literally motor about. But I’ve TWO problems with how Hybrids and EVs are being handled:
(1) The SMUG virtue-signaling of those that bought these contraptions, sold on the idea that they’re “Green”, that they’re “saving the planet”, and other such nonsense. You, Eric, could easily do an article, probably SEVERAL, on why EVs being “Green” is utterly FALSE.
(2) How someone spends THEIR money for whatever ride they buy, if any, is THEIR business. But it’s not strictly THEIR business!
(a) The Tax SUBSIDIES and CREDITS, which ALL taxpayers, including You, Me, Myself, and Irene, get to PAY for YOUR decision, even via these “back-door” methods.
(b) There’s something WRONG with EVs being granted SPECIAL “privileges”, such as use of the HOV lanes w/o need for the 2 or 3 persons to occupy the car, or exemptions from tolls, and so on, or lower registration fees.
(c) The FORCING of auto makers to not build and sell competing vehicles with traditional ICE engines, so that if you want a new car in the future, the “choice” was ALREADY made. This has already been accomplished via bureaucratic fiat with diesel vehicles.
Although discussions of comparative technology are great and worthwhile on their own, indeed, that part of how the prospective car buyer makes an INFORMED decision about his/her next automotive purchase, if any, the REAL issue is Government interference in what should inherently be the exclusive choice of buyer and sellers of vehicles…design, function, standards, propulsion method, and so on. Slightly over 100 years ago, electric cars and STEAM cars also vied for the American motoring public market, but gasoline-powered vehicles pushed them aside, for various reasons, the most being that they proved to be the most practical. Efforts since to INTERFERE with that freely-made choice stem around one thing: the desire of those that believe in Big Government and notions of social engineering to CONTROL others, and THEY will be the “elite” that gets to work the “levers”, so to speak.
None of the practical problems with full electric cars has been solved.
That’s the thing with electric cars, nothing really has changed about them. There wasn’t a recent invention that has changed something about them to make them compelling. They still suck in the same ways that they have sucked for the last one hundred plus years.
It’s unlikely that any of those problems will be solved in the near future either. You really can’t change basic chemistry and physics. That is only two of the problems electric cars face. Electric cars fly against BASIC science.
Then the problem of why? Why do we even need electric vehicles? The reality is that we really don’t. It’s hard to compete with gas and diesel vehicles, because they work very well. So the bar is very high to begin with.
A true free market likely would have continued with electric being niche vehicles (like golf carts). That’s why government types think they need to upend the free market. They consider that a failing of the free market. It of course isn’t a failing of the free market, but one of it’s strengths. The ability to see clearly see bull sh** and to root it out.
“None of the practical problems with full electric cars has been solved.”
Yep.
But you know what? “They.” Don’t. Care.
The 21st century equivalent of “Let them eat cake” is “Let them drive EVs.”
Given that EVs are significantly more COSTLY and less practical, it becomes a step towards the REAL goal of these self-styled “elites”…to paraphrase the late Ted Knight as the Judge from “Caddyshack”…”You’ll DRIVE nothing and LIKE it!”
You can feel the weight when you drive one of these electric cars, especially the Tesla. It accelerates like a rocket in a straight line, sure. But when you need to hit some corners, it feels very leaden and unresponsive.
What we need is to have the states give up their federal highway dollars and allow anything with 4 wheels, a seat and the speed capability to drive on their roads. Like the Mahindra Roxor, which is sold here as a side-by-side ATV when it’s a CJ5 built under license originally in India, but now Michigan. It’s not street legal even though the original CJ5 was. Some states allow you to put turn signals and license plates on them and drive them on the street…but shhhhhh…don’t tell the bureaucrats at USDOT.
If we did that, we could have EVs that actually make sense that maybe I would even have one. I don’t need a 500 horsepower gas-powered car or truck to go to the grocery store. A small hatchback EV with minimal accoutrement would be perfect, especially if you lived in a dense urban area.
The whole point of forcing people into EVs is to eliminate personal transportation period and therefore, the suburbs and rural areas. The techno-feudal overlords want to pack us all into dense cities under constant surveillance and control and leave the rural areas as pristine playgrounds for them.
The second decree: no more pollution, no more car exhaust,
Or ocean dumpage. From now on, we will travel in tubes!
We’ll lead as Two Kings, oh, yeah,
We’ll fuckin’ lead as Two Kings.
Get the scientists working on the tube technology, immediately.
(Tube technology.) Chop, chop, let’s go.
Third decree: no more… rich people: and poor people.
From now on, we will all be the same… ummm, I dunno,
I gotta think about that…
“City Hall”
Tenacious D
Dr, it’s all just a giant ponzi scheme designed to keep the game going as long as possible, until it won’t anymore. Glad you brought up the Roxor. I’ve been touting it’s value and simplicity for a while for rural folks/farmers who can use them in rural states. My rural state allows ‘ATVs’ to be driven on roads under 40mph. But when the crap gets real, soon, is there a cop/sheriff in rural areas who will give a crap if they are driven for any transportation? I don’t think so.
It may come to the point of good states giving up Fed$. I wonder if you put it to a vote in these states “can we raise you taxes this amount to tell the fed to pack sand?”, if it would pass?
Dr. Mantis,
“What we need is to have the states give up their federal highway dollars and allow anything with 4 wheels, a seat and the speed capability to drive on their roads. Like the Mahindra Roxor…”
Exactamente. Vehicular sanctuary states, I’m tellin’ ya. What we need is a little more nullification.
I’m not so sure about the trucks, really. The F-150 Lightning’s battery weighs 1,800 lbs which is pretty close to normal payload capacity for a half ton pickup. Sure they can make it level and all that with stiffer springs but I’d still bet the tires/shocks will take a huge beating over time.
And even with regenerative braking, EVs still give off more brake dust, which is a legitimate environmental concern, than their ICE counterparts. I guess they aren’t interested in air quality as it pertains to human beings, only Gaia.
https://slate.com/business/2021/05/ford-f150-lightning-electric-weight.html
‘The F-150 Lightning’s battery weighs 1,800 lbs’ — Levi Russell
Oy … sign ‘er up for the positive body image movement.
“So what if I weigh 6,500 lbs and pack an 1,800-lb battery in my gut,” muses your shiny new pickup. “I feel good about myself.”
I guess you can put a price on virtue signalling after all. 🙂
“How EVs Don’t Save You Money,” Blighty version:
Average price cap unit rates
(1 April – 30 September 2022)
£0.28 per kWh (US$0.35 per kWh)
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you
The £0.28 per kWh rate just went up from £0.21 per kWh for the previous six months.
That’s a ONE-THIRD increase.
And 35 cents per kilowatt-hour is higher than you’d pay in any US state except Hawaii (38 cents per kWh, according to EIA).
When everybody has EVs, we’ll be talking ‘dollars per kWh.’
Might want to just stay home.
Excellent point Jim, Pete Butthead and the “save money with an EV” crowd all gloss over the fact that electricity isn’t free. 22 cents/kwh here, and only going up as the uber-greenies manage to get rid of all the reliable base load generation. California is already warning of rolling blackouts this summer, welcome to third world Amerika.
‘electricity isn’t free’ — Mike+in+Boston
Indeed, electricity is a quasi-monopoly. Arizona electric utilities just bribed and bought themselves a new state law forbidding competition.
Monopolies gonna rent seek — that’s what they do.
Ignoring the predatory nature of the electric utility monopoly — as the Bidenites urge us, on their yellow brick road to greenness — is foolish.
Once electric monopolies get full control over ALL household energy consumption, they will cinch down the yoke and bleed us dry.
hi Jim
electricity price going way higher….
.iPath Pure Beta Crude Oil ETN up 380% since march 2020, crude up 547% since march 2020 low, but gas only up 145% since 2020,you are getting off light, not for long….haha….gas going higher…..
in a lot of places 90% of electricity comes from burning hydro carbons too, so electricity going way higher….kiss mobility goodbye….remember EV’s only get 25 mpg in reality….haha
All this does is reveal the outcome of all the fiat money printing….right here….crude up 547% since march 2020 low, more fake printing press running wide open money required to buy a barrel of oil….haha….solution…lie and hide it…..
crude up 547% since march 2020 …this is a bloody big problem, it will blow everything up…….
solution: a fake war so you can blame someone else…..haha
https://finviz.com/futures_charts.ashx?t=CL&p=w1
Hi Jim
EVs No Longer an Economic Alternative to ICEs As Supercharging Rates Go Through the Roof, including the battery cost they never were….
But even in the U.S. where Superchargers charge you by the kWh things have gone haywire. A Tesla owner shared on Twitter the Supercharging rates from the Los Angeles area and indicated that they roughly doubled in the past years. To be sure, the $0.58/kWh rate is for the peak hours from 11 am to 9 pm, with half that outside this interval. Twitter users across the U.S. have indicated similar rates, with averages of $0,40 becoming the norm.
EV owner uses 4 gallons to go 100 miles, that is 25 mpg, lots of ice cars get better fuel economy.
ice gas vehicle economy example that gets far more then 25 mpg……
Fiat 500 0.9 lt. gas 8V 51 mpg city, 69 mpg highway…
The Fiat used 1.44 gallons of fuel on the highway to go 100 miles @ $4.00 per gallon = $5.79
travelling 100 miles in an average EV uses 1.03 gallons equivalent of fuel = 34.7 kwh of electricity @ $0.40 per kwh = $13.88, that is the net amount, but….at the power plant 4 gallons of fuel were burnt to get a net 1 gallon of fuel equivalent 34.7 kwh used by the EV.
Thermal efficiency of power plants using coal, petroleum, natural gas or nuclear fuel and converting it to electricity are around 33% efficiency, natural gas is around 40%. Then there is average 6% loss in transmission, then there is a 5% loss in the charger, another 5% loss in the inverter, the electric motor is 90% efficient so another 10% loss before turning the electricity into mechanical power at the wheels.
33% – 6% – 5% – 5% – 10% = 25% efficiency for EV’s.
(under not ideal conditions it might be 12% efficient).
They advertise EV’s getting 102 mpg….they should be sued, it is impossible using the technology they use, it is another huge lie….the real number 25 mpg…lol…lawsuits coming…
This is the same as the carburetors that give 200 mpg hoax…lol..total lies..
There is an additional cost for the EV owner: the tesla $22,000 battery is used up, worn out in 100,000 miles. this works out to $22.00 per 100 miles it is costing you for the battery. Total cost: $13.88 plus $22.00 = $35.88
$35.88 to go 100 miles that is how they restrict/stop your mobility….
They ban ice first then later on they say, we just figured out the EV’s are way worse and ban them too, then you walk…..
travelling 100 miles in a 50 mpg diesel uses 2 gallons of fuel @ $4.00 per gallon = $8.00 and it has a huge range……
https://cars.express88.info/evs-no-longer-an-economic-alternative-to-ices-as-supercharging-rates-go-through-the-roof/?fbclid=IwAR3dTJMrJzOqX_REb1mcYmHwIL2U2IwE81lICCcGcRmLaHWcrY2JnlFI7us
Once again, I still struggle to understand where the hell “big oil” is in the midst of the EV hype and government fiat? Do they know EVs will go the way of the Edsel or do they only see their profit margins for the here & now?
There will always be demand for oil. If the oil companies can sell half the oil for twice as much while cutting out some overhead they’ll be making more money, not less.
It’s what most big companies do…one starts the ball rolling and like lemmings, they all follow. The biggest reasons? Protecting the brand, arrogance and stupidity.
I wish we could get that little, $5K Chinese EV here; that would be PERFECT for me! It does 60 mph too. I mostly stay local these days. My biggest trip is to make my rounds and feed the stray cats every day. I do local errands too. A Tesla doesn’t make sense for me though. It cost 3x what my Focus did…
Hi Mark,
I agree – and it’s a shame that EVs aren’t allowed here. Which I think is telling about EVs – or rather, the true reason they’re being pushed down our throats.
It’s telling indeed. I’m single and live alone, so I don’t even need a car with four seats. Something like the small, Chinese $5K EV or the VW XL1 is all I need. I’m not happy paying for something I never use.
Related:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/05/new-bluetooth-hack-can-unlock-your-tesla-and-all-kinds-of-other-devices/
Seems somone took shortcuts to make a cool feature. Now anyone can break into your car with $100 worth of parts. And by the looks of it, it probably cannot be fixed since it uses an inherrently insecure protocol.
Move fast and break things…
Electricity still isn’t “Too cheap to meter” either:
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/
Idle Fee: Once charging stops, you pay $0.40/min after a 10-minute grace period.
Pricing for DC fast charging is determined by charger location, your plan, and, for per-minute locations, the maximum power level your vehicle can accept. Pricing may be subject to tax, if applicable for the location of a particular charger.
Level 2 charging is also available. In per-minute locations, Level 2 charging costs $0.03/min. In per-kWh locations, you pay the same per-kWh rate for Level 2 charging as for DC fast charging at that station location.
Pricing is subject to change. Please refer to the charger screen for the most up-to-date pricing and power levels available for your session.
Checking different states, charging prices are all over the map. Now it’s true that the majority of electric vehicle charging happens at home (since most EV owners own their homes and can afford to install the proper outlet for the charging cable), but on road trips you’re going to be using charging stations. And because the pricing is in KWh, comparing the price of gas to the price of electricity requires busting out the calculator app. Oh and looks like you can pay up for “premium” DC fast or Level 2 charging to get you out of there a little sooner. One would think a station owner would want to give a discount for faster charging options since it will allow more people to use the charger. And fast chargers aren’t really all that good for the battery pack either. Pay more and destroy your car sooner? Sounds like a deal!
There is not one single thing that is economical about a full EV. Hybrids, perhaps. I seem to recall reading that the current power grid is in need of TRILLIONS of dollars just to keep it where it is, much less accommodate replacing ICVs with EVs. Which means widespread use of them will more than significantly increase your electrical power bill. Because even more will need to be spent on the grid, especially if you are charging up an EV battery. Current gas prices likely cheap by comparison.
I’m still buying an EV. FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How’s that virtue?