There is a new online scam to be aware of that targets people looking for hard-to-find parts for classic cars.
As some of you reading this may know, I have been looking for an original (GM) center console for my 1976 Pontiac Trans-Am. This is a difficult to find part – in good condition – because almost all of the ones that are still in existence in good condition are in good condition Trans-Ams – and the owners of those cars aren’t interested in selling their car’s console. So finding a good one that’s for sale is something of a challenge.
One way to find parts like this is to post on owner/enthusiast forums dedicated to your particular make/model car. I’m a member of a couple such forums that are dedicated to classic Pontiacs. These forums are great resources as well as great places to get in touch with others who are as enthusiastic about your old car as you are. They are also, I have discovered, a great place for scammers.
Look out! – as OJ used to say.
I posted on one of the forums I’m a member of asking whether any of the members had a console for sale or maybe knew a good place to look. Almost all of these were helpful/commiserating replies from other Firebird/Trans-Am owners. But there was one that immediately caught my attention, probably because it seemed too good to be true. And indeed, so it turned out to be.
I got a reply from a guy who claimed he was a mechanic and had what I needed – and for $250. Both of those things ought to have signaled red alert but at first I was too excited to pay attention to my more rational impulses. I asked for pictures and he sent them. He appeared to have a very good condition original GM console and he only wanted $250 for it – Including shipping!
Yes, I know. It’s obvious in retrospect that something was very wrong with this picture. First, because “mechanic” sounds sketchy. Most people who have parts for sale for 50-year-old cars aren’t mechanics. They deal in classic car parts, used and new old stock – and generally represent themselves that way. A mechanic might have some parts for a modern car; that makes sense as mechanics work on cars. They also work on 50-year-old cars, but if they do, they are not generally in the business of selling the parts of them.
And $250? Including the cost of shipping? A good condition original center console for a ’70s-era Trans-Am is a rare piece and so an expensive piece. The going rate is around $800 – not including shipping. The center console is a bulky item that requires an oversized box and special packaging plus insurance (in case it gets lost or damaged in transit). Shipping something like that – that way – will typically cost $50.
So I ought to have known something wasn’t right with this picture. (There literally was something wrong with this picture, about which more follows below.)
But I tamped down my suspicions and tried to make arrangements to buy the console and that is what saved me, ultimately, from being fleeced to the tune of $250. The “mechanic” did not accept credit cards. Nor personal checks. What he wanted me to do was wire-transfer him the $250 directly from my bank. This also didn’t smell right. What mechanic – what shop – doesn’t accept payment via credit cards? Luckily, the scammer gave me obviously sketchy sounding information to wire-transfer him the money. It was an email with a foreign-sounding handle. Then he gave me a different one. My Spider Sense was tingling by this time. I asked the scammer to give me his address and he balked at first. Then I got an address. Not of a business, but of some apartment in Texas.
My tech-not-hipness is what ultimately saved me. I do not do the wire-transfer thing; the buying stuff using phone apps and such. Credit cards have one great benefit, that being you have some recourse via the credit card company when a transaction goes stinky. You have essentially no recourse when you send someone money directly from your bank. It’s gone the moment it’s sent and the person you sent it to is as well. Your texts and emails will suddenly go unanswered. And you will never get the part you thought you bought.
Later on, I was scrolling through the eBay Motors ads and found a guy selling a manual Trans-Am console. The picture showed the same console the scammer had sent me. It was not same guy (i.e., the scammer) who posted the eBay ad. The scammer had used the eBay ad’s picture to try to sell what he didn’t actually have.
Ah yes, my little chickadee!
I used to think the old car forums were safe spaces; that the people there were people like me; i.e., car people. Mostly this is true. I have found out that there scammer people cruise these boards, too – looking for potential marks. Don’t be one. Listen to your Spider Sense – and never forget the dictum that warns, if something sounds too good to be true then it almost certainly is.
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Beware of the naked man selling you, his shirt.
Eric, This isn’t exactly a scam, but you will appreciate the stupidity of the world we live in. Last year I ordered two gas tank straps from an online parts place in Chicago. When they arrived one was missing from the flimsiest box I have ever seen held together by one piece of tape. I took pictures and contacted the company. I swear, the list of instructions I was supposed to follow was to send them a picture of the part I didn’t get. They didn’t deserve their one star rating.
Amazon gave me similar instruction when the sent me an EMPTY box.
Then were going to charge me because I didn’t send it back.
Glad you had the sensibility to recognize the bs. “If it’s too good to be true, it probably is” is time tested wisdom.
Thankfully in my hit-n-miss engine hobby, there’s a gaggle of suppliers / vendors / private folks who have established trust among collectors.
Be sure to report them to the site’s admin account. These online forums that allow private sales need to keep their reputation intact.
And it’s not just “scammers”.
My recent experience with Parts Geek (what was I thinking ordering something from a company with such an infantile name?) makes me question EVERY online transaction. After weeks of fighting them to return the wrong part they admittedly sent, I got restitution. But, the time and hassle involved more that covered the ~$100 parts I ordered.
The really odd thing happened next.
We had a problem with our router and called our internet provider to resolve the issue. The tech they sent out was cheerful and efficient. She had the problem resolved in minutes. While she was leaving she noticed the automotive paraphernalia in my office and asked if I knew anything about cars. It seems she had a last-gen Camero and was having difficulty finding an EGR tube. She’d ordered one but it was wrong and could not get it resolved.
From whom did she purchase this item?
If you said Parts Geek, go to the head of the class (h/t Walter E. Williams)
Eric: “Later on, I was scrolling through the eBay Motors ads and found a guy selling a manual Trans-Am console. The picture showed the same console the scammer had sent me.”
So how much was the console off of eBay?
As for being scammed; decades ago I bought what was listed as an NOS trim piece. It’s around 5 feet long in stainless steel in the original GM paper wrapping, it was shipped wrapped in cardboard and that’s it. By the time I received it was only fit for scrap unless you knew how to straighten stainless. I was covered by the insurance though. I’ve still got that piece though. It’s always painful when you own old stuff and need quality replacement parts.
I really enjoyed this tale, not out of shard-end-froid, but because the same sort of thing happened to me and my boyhood transistor radio. A Sobell. A beautiful, slim, three wave-band, poppy red portable radio. I loved it. I could tape it to my bike, and listen to the Christy Minstrels as I biked along the lonely lanes of east Essex.
And then in 2010, I lost the on/off knob. So I did what you do; went to an Audio-phile site and posted a request. One came back instantly. Yes, they had the knob. Send money. Where are you, I asked? St. Albans. St Albans is just a few miles from where I live, and I know the town well. It has 2 train stations.
No, let’s not risk the post, I say. I will come to St. Albans with the cash and pick up your knob in person.
Sorry, no can do this week, comes the swift reply. I am away in Manchester all week. OK, says I, I will wait till you return. Well, I’ll be away on holiday for two weeks. Where to, asks I (hoping this is all true.)
Wales. Wales??? Are you for real, or are you just pulling my plonker, you ass-hole.
No reply to that one.
I’m not bitter.
Hi Stephen!
That’s a great one – in the sense that you didn’t get taken. I’m glad to hear it. I’ve generally had good luck buying parts online; most sellers are reputable. Many are fine people who so their best to help you with finding what you need. But there are a few turds in the soup – and you’ve got to watch out for them.