The Other Side of The Thin Blue Line

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Call it Karma – or maybe just payback.cop beaten pic

Either way, it’s bad news.

Last Friday, an Alabama cop pulled over a guy – apparently, over a traffic infraction. The guy argued with the cop; a fight broke out.

The guy got the upper hand and beat the cop senseless.

What’s remarkable about this incident – which got very little to no coverage outside of Birmingham – is the reaction of bystanders to the beating. Instead of coming to the cop’s aid – or even just calling 911 to summon more cops – they laughed, took pictures and posted the pictures of the cop lying bloody and unconscious in the street on social media sites like Facebook.

The natives (that’s us, by the way) are becoming restless.

Respect and deference are fading. Contempt – and something much stronger – are replacing them.

This should not come as a bolt out of the blue given the almost daily deluge of badged bullies strutting their stuff all over YouTube. Perhaps you saw the one of the California cop who unholstered his pistol on a guy who was standing beside his own vehicle, parked in his own driveway, in a suburban cul-de-sac? The cop was threatening the guy’s life because the guy had taken out his camera and was filming this cop, who just rolled into the cul-de-sac and sat there in his cop car, watching. If an ordinary citizen did this, it’d be stalking. If an ordinary citizen drew a gun, as this cop did, it’d be felony brandishing – and in many states, sufficient legal pretext to defend oneself with deadly force. But because the thug was in costume, he was legally able to stalk and threaten another human being and then just drive away.

Just one of many. Too many.

It is reaching a critical mass – and not just in “urban” areas.

About a week ago, I was out riding my motorcycle with two friends. We’re all middle-aged married white guys with jobs and homes and responsibilities, none of us with any criminal “history.” No tats or gang colors or even long hair. We got pulled over for a trivial speeding charge on the Blue Ridge Parkway – where the speed limit is 45 and almost everyone is running 50-ish.

So were we.

On a long straight stretch, late afternoon, sun out, clear and dry. No one else on the road in our vicinity. No danger to anyone; just three guys out for a late afternoon ride.

That was the plan, at any rate.

About half-way into our ride, we had the misfortune of crossing paths with colleagues of the Alabama cop badly beaten. A couple of fellow law enforcers.

Mark that.wig wags

Enforcers of the law.

We could have run. And probably should have, as it turned out.

All of us were on high-performance sport bikes fully capable of reaching 150 MPH before those cops in their Ford Explorer even got turned around. We were on home turf, we knew the road. Knew that just a half-mile ahead, we could have turned off onto a gravel road and been… gone.

There is no doubt we could have done it. No doubt we would have “gotten away with it” (that is, escaped unmolested).

But we slowed and stopped, pulled over onto the grass and waited for them to turn around, catch up. Given that they had to know that stopping was optional for us and given the silly/trivial nature of what we were being stopped for (58 in a 45, as it turned out – oh, the humanity!) we figured a quick license check, some smiles, goodwill and friendly banter would have us on our way with a warning.

It did not turn out that way.hero cop

Not only did we get the Full Monte – tickets for all, with no slack cut – we got treated as “threats” to “officer safety.” We were ordered and not politely to sit on our bikes, facing away from the cops – for literally half an hour, while they diddled inside their SUV with their paperwork. When we began to get tired and rotated in the saddle to ask – nicely, in even and calm tones – whether we might just sit on the grass, or even just stand there – the cops assumed Command Voice and became downright threatening.

Did we want to go to jail tonight?

Yes, really.

Again, this was over a minor speeding beef. They had run our IDs, knew we were not dangerous or likely to be such (three white, professional-looking guys in their 40s, articulate and – so far – friendly) who just wanted to sit on the damned grass or maybe stand by the side of the (not busy) road and not be treated like indigs.

Our polite questioning enraged these cops. You don’t question anything a cop says. They take it as an affront, a challenge… a threat.

Everything is a “threat” to these jumpy “heroes.”

The situation was deteriorating. It could easily have gotten out of hand. If one of us had challenged their authority to tell us that we had to sit on the bikes rather than sit on the grass, and actually sat down on the grass, it could have become “resisting”…

They said it would be exactly that, in fact.stop resisting

These guys seemed to have a buzz-cut boner about lording it over us. It was not sufficient that we pulled over safely and were polite and complied with the law. That we were not combative or even argumentative.

We had to be degraded by them, too. Treated like scum.

This is why Alabama, I think.

Ferguson, too.

Michael Brown may have been a thug. But Darren Wilson was, too.

That’s the awful truth not being discussed openly but increasingly felt – and which I expect will be acted on more and more frequently as things inevitably escalate.

More and more laws – increasingly petty.

And enforced often brutally. By the road cavity searches because a cop “smelled pot.” Shooting a guy in the back over a dead taillight. Handcuffing third graders. Dragging a woman out of her car, tackling her to the ground and Tazering her because she took umbrage at being told she could not smoke a cigarette in her own damned car.

Cops wear body armor, have mirrored sunglasses – so that we cannot see their eyes. Every “contact” is a dominance ritual, not an interaction between a peace officer and a citizen.

People grow weary of being ordered about – of being bullied.

The so-called underclass has long had to deal with this and now the middle class is becoming uneasily aware that being a “law abiding” person not looking for trouble is no longer sufficient to avoid it.

Sometimes, trouble goes on the hunt.

We got away with just the tickets (as if “just” accurately conveys the injustice of being literally robbed at gunpoint of several hundred dollars by armed – if official – strangers over the excuse of a crime with no victim.).

But my blood was boiling.

I understand why those bystanders in Alabama didn’t lift a finger to help the cop who got the tables turned on him.

I wouldn’t have, either.

God help us all.

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106 COMMENTS

  1. Good to see all of you in fine form.

    Especially enjoy seeing water headed southerners able to grok that all outside imposed authority is bad for you.

    I would also interject that all imposed political protocols are likewise pure evil. Even the sainted rose powder merkinned Thomas Jefferson was an absolute shitbag.

    All y’all do understand the Yankee assholes who pillaged and subjugated the south in the Civil Wae were those very same Founders you get so gonzo giddy for sometimes, right?

    All them Euros who came over here and turned this new world into a piss poor replica of the Old World are our enemies and oppressors, I would say. England, France, Spain, and the other ancient maritime powers perhaps have their rightful places I don’t much know what is best for those manufactured and long term bred Elois to be honest. But here all Yankees and Southern politicos have always been carpetbaggers.

    But I am certain there are no good and righteous American Eloi now or at any time in the past. When you look closely at any good ol days in the US you always see they were only good for some and inhumanly terrible for many who never consented to being conscripted into the Leprous shit heap that has always been the reality of the alleged exceptional American freedom myth.

  2. I never thought to mention this, but:
    “tickets for all, with no slack cut”

    That means EACH of you is a cover for the others! The Radar gun wouldn’t be able to pick one of you out, and likely isn’t capable of determining speed for ANY of you, due to the bike’s profile.
    If fighting it, that would be a worthwhile thing to examine as a defense. Each of you claims it was the others. At least to get it on the record, tell them you know the con is on.

    And next time, standing rules are, GTFO and disappear. And split up ASAP, or find a pull-off and go the opposite direction. They’ll be past you again before they realize, and you can be long gone again before they get turned around – meantime, also putting pursuit in the wrong direction, even briefly, and get home and out of sight…

    • “If fighting it, that would be a worthwhile thing to examine as a defense. ”

      I used to think like that, until I fought a few tickets. Speeding, like any other traffic charge, is an administrative law charge. The judge doesn’t require that the cop present any evidence besides his testimony and that testimony trumps any evidence you care to present.

      If you want to waste time in court, you can jack off in the courtroom to your heart’s content. You might as well just pay the fucking thing then go home and jack off. The result will be the same.

      “And next time, standing rules are, GTFO and disappear. ”

      Now you’re talking. One guy on a bike being pulled by a cop might have to stop and take a ticket. Two or more, well, the mind boggles at why they wouldn’t all just screw it on and disappear, especially on the Blue Ridge Parkway.

      To eric: Did you forget that you have a Golden Ticket when you’re on your motorcycle?

      • Hi Ed,

        The only reason I stopped for the porker was my friends, who were riding with. We had not discussed the “what will we do” stuff before the ride began and when the swine appeared, I didn’t want to leave my friends holding the bag. They later told me I should have split; that they would have said: We don’t know that dude. We were just out riding….

      • Things vary from state to state. Sometimes county to county, even city to city. In many places all that going to court gets is a way to negotiate a deal or get a judge special*. It’s a shakedown, so it’s just about how much. Evidence will be disregarded. I’ve known people via other driving forums who had success fighting tickets with evidence and logic and procedure. But here’s the rub, if they billed their time at what they earned in their careers they paid far more than the fine in most cases. Now in a place like where I am at, hiring a lawyer works well. But that’s money extracted by the system too. So maybe beat the fine but pay the lawyer.

        *Back in the cattle call days judges in my area would offer some big reduced fine and no conviction on people’s records if they just plead guilty and didn’t fight. It was usually the best way out. Now with other options there aren’t as many people in the courtrooms I figure. All except maybe in the poorer areas.

        • “. It’s a shakedown, so it’s just about how much. ”

          True, that. You’re right also about things being different from state to state. I’m in Virginia(I think you are, too IIRC), and here, it’s just as I described. Chesterfield county is one huge trap for traffic fines. It’s known as “arresterfield county”. I did hire a lawyer to handle my reckless driving ticket. I told him that the state trooper who pulled me claimed that he had clocked me at 81 mph in a 60 zone. He didn’t have a radar fix on me, just his word that he paced me long enough to clock me going 81.

          It was a lie. He had simply come through traffic at high speed with his blue light on from 1/2 mile back, no pacing, just flew up behind me with is light already flashing. At first he wanted to charge me with passing on the right, because I had overtaken some car which was obstructing the left lane at about 40 mph, and I moved to the center lane and went by him.

          When I told the trooper, a rookie who looked to be about 17 years old, that passing to the right was only an offense if you left the roadway and passed on the shoulder or the emergency lane, he changed the charge to speeding . He probably had been doing 80+ when he caught up to me, but he didn’t pace me at 81.

          The lawyer told me that it didn’t matter that he didn’t have me on radar, that his testimony alone was irrefutable evidence. Anyway, the fine would have been $1500 and I could have lost my license for a year or worse. The lawyer got $800, court cost was $200 and driving class was $50. My discount was $450 and keeping my license and clear record.

          So, around here, you can waste a day in court and pay the fine anyway, or just mail it in, unless as in the case of a serious charge where you have to appear, it’s worth paying a tribe member to broker a deal for you.

          BTW, the attorney who represented me in that case went to work for the prosecutors office soon after he got me driving class. Guess where he went to work…..Chesterfield county CA’s office.

          • Hi Ed,

            Yup. My experience has been that it’s pointless to confront a ticket head on. I’ve had success getting to court early and “cutting a deal” with the prosecutor. A lawyer does the same thing, basically.

            It’s obnoxious beyond belief that the mere word of a Hero is considered evidence. Ours, of course, is “hearsay.”

            • “I’ve had success getting to court early and “cutting a deal” with the prosecutor. A lawyer does the same thing, basically. ”

              Yeah, that can work in small courts like Amelia county, but in Chesterfield county, the fine generation machine is wide open. The line out the door to the metal detectors can be 200 yards long. The court dockets are posted on at least a dozen tall corkboards on the ground floor where traffic courts are. There are hundreds of cases on the dockets every day.

              Getting there early won’t help. You can get there early enough to be the first man through the door and then it’ll take you an hour to find your case on the docket and get to the right courtroom. You’d have to see it to believe it.

              • I discovered an interesting thing. On the Blue Ridge Porkway, it’s a federal deal and the tickets are handled by a private vendor out of state. But if you just show up at the federal building (Poff Building in downtown Roanoke for me) and pay the fine, it never shows up on your DMV record. They literally do just want your money.

          • Ed, from past experience I’d say you got a bad lawyer since he should have had a good, legal defense for you. Some attorneys advertise getting you “off” in this state but Tx. laws are different. Speed limits are “suggestions” even though it’s unlawful if a cop decides it is.

            Still, you did the right thing. When people tell me they can’t afford a lawyer I tell them to sell something if they don’t have the cash because in truth, you can’t not afford a lawyer. Once that onus is on your record, you become sweet meat for them. Ah, a REPEAT OFFENDER.

            • “Ed, from past experience I’d say you got a bad lawyer since he should have had a good, legal defense for you.”

              Nope, the lawyer was good. In traffic court here, you ain’t just assumed guilty, you ARE guilty and you’re going to pay. The case that made me decide not to contest any more tickets in Chesterfield county was a ticket for unsecured load, 12 + years ago.

              The trooper pulled me over for who knows what. He went all around my old ’68 bump, then came up to the window and told me that he pulled me over because trash was blowing out of my truck. The bed of the truck was empty, even swept clean before I left home because I was going to pick up a bicycle for my daughter’s sixth birthday. She was in the truck with me.

              I asked him if he had dashcam footage of the trash blowing out, and he blew up at me. An unmarked pulled up behind us and a Sergeant got out with three young skinheads in dark BDUs, trainees I guess, and they went all around the truck. My daughter was scared by the asshole’s yelling and the cops circling the truck she and started crying.

              Anyway, the asshole wrote me a ticket for unsecured load (in an empty truck bed) and I took it without any further argument, thinking I could beat it in court easily.

              I spent, literally, all day in the courtroom waiting to be called. The trooper said that he pulled me because there was trash blowing out of the bed of my truck.

              When it was my turn, I asked the trooper what was unsecured in the bed of my truck and he agreed that the truck was empty and said the charge could have been littering, but that he gave me a ticket for the lesser charge of unsecured load.

              I asked for dashcam evidence of trash blowing out of my truck, and the judge said he’d heard enough, that my case was dismissed and I could see the clerk on the way out. The clerk hit me up for $50 for court costs. After paying, I was struck by the fact that I had wasted an entire day to beat a charge that would have cost me about the same amount as the court cost if I’d mailed it in.

              In Chesterfield county, you’re going to pay even if you beat a charge, so why even bother?

  3. It is a lie and it is reckless for this author to call Michael Brown and Officer Wilson both thugs. Brown was the aggressor and attacked Wilson while he was in his vehicle. He assaulted Wilson and tried to take his gun. When the officer got out of his vehicle and told him to halt, Brown turned and attacked. Officer Wilson acted correctly but his life has been ruined because of morons like Eric who equate these 2. I am against police excesses, brutality, bullying and murder anyone but don’t paint all police as the bad guys.Clover

    I guess after Eric and like-minded slobs have succeeded in smearing all the police, why don’t Eric and his fellow slobs smear let’s say white people? Eric can join in the various college & university professors along with Calypso Louie Farrakhan who call for white people to be killed.

      • I have to agree with Eric.It was hard enough to find a good cop many years ago,in this day and age I would say it’s impossible.I cannot say say for sure but I doubt Darren Wilson was a “good guy”.I have been wrong many times but the odds are in our favor that he sucked.

    • Paladin,

      The piece I linked to discusses the question, can a good man do bad things and still be a good man?

      My answer is, no.

      “Officer” Wilson (as you deferentially style him, revealing your ingrained, socially-imbued knee-bending attitude toward government enforcers) spent his days enforcing laws, the majority of them having nothing to do with preventing innocent people from being harmed. His mission was to make people obey – and punish them, if they did not. Regardless of the absence of any victim.

      This makes him a bad man.

      Just like Michael Brown.

    • “Officer Wilson acted correctly but his life has been ruined because of morons like Eric ”

      Yeah, sure Calsuckoff. While you’re on your knees slobbing Wilson’s knob, be sure to clean his boots too. Wilson ruined his own life, first by becoming a cop, then by shooting an unarmed man in the back. He’ll look over his shoulder for the rest of his useless, tax consuming life, chickenshit that he is.

  4. OMG,I know that Medford cop in the vid.I used to work in a Motorcycle shop and he was in multiple times daily.I can honestly say he was a psycho,and well known for it.My boss ,who was a supreme asshole,bootlicker though he was the greatest thing since sliced bread.That just scares the hell out of me,not so much the psychopath but somebody actually thinking they are great.God,or somebody,aliens maybe help us..

    • I have a good friend who owns/runs a repair shop. Part of his business is towing/hauling away wrecked vehicles after accidents. He told me a story about arriving at the scene of one such with his rollback and the cop began to threaten him because he didn’t have a certain light on the rollback part of the truck.

      My friend told the “hero” that he didn’t have top collect the wrecked vehicle – and just left.

      FEAFEFH

    • Thanks for that link.
      I still think the best solution is “…selective elimination of mayors and government officials. for example, we create a vacuum. Then, we FILL that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer.” (attributed to an unknown VC officer, so far as I know.)

  5. Eric,
    May, I suggest that you add an icon to each comment so that the readers could vote up or down on the comments.
    Thanks for considering the suggestion.
    lt11

    I will read your reply comments when you post them.

    • Eric,

      To follow up on lt11’s idea — you may wish to permit voting to registered users.

      Another thought

      Comments can be sorted by (voted most useful / voted most popular / newest / oldest)

      I do not know how difficult this could be implemented, but I am sure is possible based on other comment sections seen on other sites.

    • Dear It11,

      “… add an icon to each comment so that the readers could vote up or down on the comments.”

      Sounds good!

      Dear Eric,

      To me one of the most striking characteristics of the creeping, correction, galloping Amerikanischen Polizeistaat in the Heimat, is that it is not happening in isolation. It is happening in near lockstep with parallel developments in the Imperium Americanus overseas.

      The Jingoists who high five each other when American Sniper Chris Kyle “pwns” “ragheads” and “camel jockeys” in Fallujah, don’t seem to realize that police snipers on US police department SWAT teams will be doing the same thing to them when push comes to shove.

      And I haven’t even gotten to Jade Helm!

      They just don’t get it.

      “He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”
      — Thomas Paine

  6. Not to justify cop thuggery, but it was kinda sad to read about all the people who laughed and took pictures of the unconscious LEO. No matter who was at fault in the fight, it is unseemly to leave an injured person lying helpless and worse, to celebrate his condition. Western civilization is truly in decline.

    • I agree, but I also get it.

      I’ve lost sympathy for these “LEOs.” I’m so weary of their bullying and worse. I understand it’s not all of them. But the fact remains that the nature of the work is inherently unjust. A “good cop” is not unlike trying to imagine a “good SA man.” Perhaps a “good Stasi man” is more accurate.

      There may be some difference in degree, I will concede. But it’s not much – and growing less all the time.

      Did you catch the movie, Inglorious Basterds?

      We cheer the guys who beat the crap out of the Nazi thugs.

      Why shouldn’t the principle apply generally?

      • Eric,
        To compare Cops to Nazi thugs is like comparing lightning but to lightning. If you want thugs… go to the middle east and fight those bastards.Clover
        Sounds like you are trying to make yourself a VICTIM, so it gives you a cause and a goal in life. Woe unto me, is what it reads like.
        I have been stopped many times by good and bad cops…but they are not Nazis.
        A little respect would make your life much more happier with the Cops situation.

        • Respect must be earned. And don’t try that “Respect the position if not the person” crap. The person might, just might, deserve some respect. The position? Don’t make me lose my lunch!

          • Hey Phillip, ““Respect the position if not the person”

            Actually, respect for the position is EXACTLY why the person should get no respect when they fail to perform their real duty. Respect for the role of peace keeper is exactly why uniformed thugs should be called out.

            • The ‘position’ of peace officer no longer exists. There are only Law Enforcement Officers. And most of the laws they enforce are illegitimate and unworthy of enforcement.

        • Hi Bob,

          The comparison is valid; the difference is one of degree only.

          It’s interesting that you blame the victim of an assault. Look what you made me do!

          And yes, that’s exactly what it is when a person is waylaid at gunpoint by an armed stranger – whether he’s an ordinary street thug or one in a special government-issued costume.

          Why should I respect such cretins?

          Have you ever though to ask: Who has been victimized? And if there is no victim, how can there be a crime?

          If you haven’t hurt anyone or caused any damage to someone else’s property, shouldn’t you – in a free society – have every right to be left in peace?

        • Dear bob,

          There is no such thing as a “good cop”, for two reasons.

          1. The job of cop itself makes it impossible to be good, because a cop is duty bound to do many bad things.

          2. Any cop who tries to be a good cop, will get his or her ass fired PDQ, leaving only bad cops on the force.

          https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/11822796_1863258080566781_5229274827923987060_n.jpg?oh=bfc81a873837d76a30c3b20bc240d20c&oe=56356AC7&__gda__=1450343244_a2f41e276730a3e3b397b324d5757787

          • I would call him not only a dumbass but a suckass. Just wait till, to his outright amazement….since he’s a “good guy”, he gets sucked up in the system and loses everything he has including his freedom and does so simply because he was accuses without good cause and the cops and robbers of the just us system saw he had something they could take. Wise up bob, it just might be your ass next.

            • ” Wise up bob, it just might be your ass next.”

              Ahaha…..8, I suspect that ol’ bob ain’t got enough ass in his britches to wise up. He’ll suck ass until his number comes up.

      • Eric,
        You overlook the overwhelming racial nature of the high profile incidents. 200 years of living in western culture has failed to civilize our black sub population. A police presence and the use of force has contained their violent and other sociopathic tendencies. Since the age of the “civil right’s ” (American Marxist) movement American blacks have been a political weapon.
        We ( white americans ) have turned a half blind eye to police tactics that protected us and our property.
        Now in the age of Obama, anti White bigotry is practiced openly and white genocide is heralded as a necessary and good thing. We need our blue uniformed “thugs ” but we need to regain control of them. I don’t like the police being sent out to collect revenue in the form of speeding tickets but I’m fine with officer Wilson shooting a 300 pound monster intent on killing him.
        As of now the police fail to protect us and prevent us from protecting ourselves. The much publicized incidents reflect a pattern of shaming and attempting to criminalize basic self defense. A riot couldn’t occur with rifle range of an armed citizen who was free to defend himself, his family and his property. God only knows where it’s all heading but it isn’t going to be pretty
        K

        • Hi Kman,

          The problem is not blacks. It is a system that will not leave peaceful people free to live their lives as they see fit – regardless of the views of other people – provided no one is actually harmed.

          Cops are no longer even plausibly keepers of the peace. Their main job is the same job that the Stasi had in East Germany. It is to enforce the edicts of the state – the vast majority of which involve statutory “offenses” that involve no harm caused to anyone (i.e., no victim) and which are thus inherently tyrannical.

          • And maybe the woman who gets her face caved in by an abusive spouse and is now laying in a hospital bed in a coma deserves no such person to go seek justice for her? Let sleeping dogs lie you say and let no one seek justice for anyone. It would, after all, be enforcing the “edicts” of the state’s statutes.

            Want to talk of a police force that is a bully directed by the “state” take a look at the misuse and abuse of our military by the government where the military is sent to “enforce” for our “interests” abroad.

            • Hi Joe,

              I’m all for keeping the peace. What I’m not for is law enforcement. I’m sure you grok the difference.

              As for “our” military: I was unaware I owned one. No thanks.

        • The powers that be in the USA subject minority groups to their various social experiments of control and so forth before they do it to everyone. Been that way for about 200 years now. As the experiments are applied to wider populations the effects are the same regardless of the race of those subjected to it.

      • I hear you, and American cops (including the federal alphabet soup of DHS, TSA, ICE, FBI etc…) have earned their reputation. The incident does make me uneasy though. Tomorrow if you or I were lying by the side of the road after an accident or a mugging, I hope that people would help and not take pictures for Facebook bragging rights.

        • Hi Escher,

          If it were a regular human being (not a cop) I would go out of my way to help. Seriously. I have, in fact.

          But my empathy for those who choose to become enforcers is very little.

          • Agreed. My comment was not meant to imply that I am on the side of the police enforcing arbitrary laws. I can see why people would not sympathize with an injured cop, but am (still) inclined to believe in the goodness of people, and would not leave a man bleeding on the side of the road.

            • Escher, I’m inclined to believe in the goodness of people in general too, just not LEO’s.

              30+ years ago a friend and I were cruising the back roads, most likely listening to the New Riders of the Purple Sage and doing likewise, smokin dope, snortin coke and drinking bourbon and beer, just a typical Saturday night since we busted ass from dark to dark every day of the week and were in physical shape not many people attain. But, in legalese, criminals that we were, we turned off a major highway and assessed the hiss of the snake to relieve ourselves. We were in a good mood, listening to some good music and enjoying the night air when we heard a horrific sounding crash on that highway.

              At that point, we loaded up and hauled ass to the scene. A man and wife had been run over from behind by a stupid little shit who probably wasn’t even held liable for failing to realize a hand out and a brake light on a motorcycle meant left turn. He wiped out these people. The guy appeared to be dead but his wife was making noise with her teeth scraping on the pavement in her attempt to breathe….for herself and her unborn child. So we rendered aid immediately, reviving the man who went bonkers and we had to hold down to keep him from hurting himself and using my car to shield them from any other fool who couldn’t see or assess the situation.

              Say what you want about us but we bit the bullet and I called the DPS on my CB and gave them the word on what was needed. Of course the badged protectors arrived before everyone else. One of the patrolmen(sic)pulled the woman’s hair and raised her mangled face off the pavement, shined his light into her unconscious face and then delicately…let got of her hair to whit her face once again “ate asphalt”. What a nice guy. It was at this point, since we had the man calmed down, we warily left the scene.

              No doubt that was a good thing for us. Last we saw, the man was still not comprehending what had happened, his wife was unconscious and moaning and the stupid dolt was assessing his car while ignoring the totaled motorcycle and the totaled couple.

              We could have helped them more till the ambulance arrived(we could see it coming)had we not feared for our freedom too. Ain’t it great what LEO’s do?

              We left the scene and cut the lights(I can see well in the dark)and continued on, doubling up, so to speak. We turned the music up and didn’t converse. No need since we knew what had happened and what could have happened to us because we rendered aid.
              That was not the only bad wreck I’ve witnessed and helped people. You get to see plenty of that living on the road. I never developed the same attitude as the LEO’s though.

    • The only thing I wonder is such behavior an intended result or something unintended? If we roll back a century it seems that the powers that be desired an orderly society with them on top extracting wealth. But to achieve that they had to dumb people down and put them in a state where they are easily emotionally manipulated. Where people feel in the moment instead of think. They also had to turn the police forces into occupying law enforcement separated from the society. These are facets needed to accomplish the desired utopia but the resulting decline of society, is that unforeseen consequence or a desired outcome?

    • What are you talking about? How can you possibly feel sorry for this POS when they leave BODIES OF INNOCENT PEOPLE on the side of the road, in the victim;s home, etc. Amazing! You must enjoy the taste of boot leather.

    • Not in Texas. It’s your own damned fault for starting a fight. You deserve what you get. And, it’s looked on as very bad manners. There is no justification for what he did and he paid the price. He won’t learn anything except to be more of a coward than he already is.

      As one poster said on this site, How do you turn a dick into a pussy? Give it a badge and a gun. Thanks Paula.

    • Escher, there’s little sympathy for one who starts a fight. At that point the beaten aggressor has to wait for someone who agrees with him, right or wrong. It can take a while sometimes.

  7. Eric,
    You should try being a cop for a month and see how your opinion changes.
    A cop does not know if you are friend or foe. You could act friendly and become the cop killer, once your got your chance.
    WE must try to act like adults, here. And treat each other like such.
    Some cops may get badge heavy and act more unreasonable than the situation deems.
    Agree, cops have been turned into Revenue agents by their cities and their budgets situation… why else would they pull over 20 cars to check for alcohol in your system, and nothing to do about how your were driving.
    Cities are balancing their budgets on tickets. Know of a town, where 90% of the town budget is photo radar tickets.
    It is NOT DWI, or your driving infraction, today…it is if your had anything to drink, at all. They are worse than Carrie Nation with her hatchet, prior to probation.
    But your weed is ok..
    It is the legal stuff that they treat as illegal. They are treating and or trying to make it legal, all the illegal drugs…
    Maybe, that is what the Tattoo generations wants.
    Something wrong with that picture.
    Cops getting killed daily over traffic stops.
    All cops are Not bad, just like all motorcycle riders are Not thugs, rapist and dopers.
    But times have changed. The citizens of the USA are more aggressive with deadly intent, unlike in the 50s. Kids could walk to school, safely. Or play outdoors without parents hovering over them.
    Drugs were not mainstream, then like they are today. They think using drugs is cool and enjoyable, regardless of the outcome and crime involved, today.
    Cops face this daily.
    Look at the Memphis Tn. cop killing. Cops was just checking cars and evidently stumbled upon a drug deal going down and the cop was murdered.
    That is not on the news like Baltimore. Why, white cop, black killer. In case, your news outlet did not mentioned that. They would have if it was a reverse situation.
    This administration did not attend that funeral services. A cop’s life has no value, today….just read some of the comments.
    Sad.
    A cop’s life is always in danger, even in the most common situation, it appears. If a cop hesitates , it could cost them their lives.
    It is split second decision they have to make.
    Would not want to be a cop today. Media makes cops the criminals and the criminals , the victims.
    It is an upside down world, today.

    • Hi Bob,

      I don’t deny some of the points you’ve made but the fundamental problem is that cops are no longer peace officers. The majority of the laws they enforce are simply statutory and have no moral authority because no victim is involved.

      A cop’s life is always in danger? How about our lives? We’re at their mercy – literally and legally. All they have to do is claim they they felt their “safety” was being threatened and they can legally do us violence, including deadly violence.

      Why should they be held to a lower standard than an ordinary citizen? I have a CHP. There will be extreme legal repercussions if I ever unholster my gun and point it at someone, let alone fire it at someone. I’d like to know why I am held to such a severe standard while a cop is not?

      On “drugs” …

      C’mon. I and almost everyone I know drinks beer, wine and liquor (all alcohol, a drug) in moderation and responsibly. This drug is legal, notwithstanding that there are people who abuse it. I – and others – are not threatened with jail because of what others do. Why doesn’t the same standard apply to pot – and other drugs, for that matter?

      I smoke pot occasionally; so do most of my friends. None of us have ever caused any harm to someone else as a result. Why should we have to worry about being arrested and jailed for simply partaking of an arbitrarily illegal substance?

      And so on.

      If cops restricted themselves to keeping the peace – that is, to interceding when someone is hurt by the criminal or negligent actions of another person – I and probably most other people would be ok with it. Would support it.

      But keeping the peace is not what cops do. They enforce the laws. These are two very different things.

    • Bob, people who choose to take jobs as highwaymen should understand the risks and downsides of doing so. Because they are government licensed and employed highwaymen doesn’t change the nature of the highwayman profession.

      Why are traffic stops so dangerous? They are dangerous for a few reasons. The first is that penalties for many things have been upped to the point that they are life altering. Severe penalties for non-crimes. The population has been conditioned with fear and violence. So how are some people going to react in this situation? The police largely don’t do investigations or serve warrants or pick up people where they know they will be. Instead they wait until the person of interest turns up at a traffic stop. So now what happens when someone who is stopped will be going to prison? Now because of what cops do every traffic stop is something even the ordinary person has to consider could be the end of his life. There’s now this whole stupid act we have to go through and if we do something less than perfectly a cop is justified for shooting us dead on the spot.

      Then there is the war on some drugs. Again severe penalties for non-crimes. The creation of a business sector for criminals. What do people expect to happen? Someone looking at life in prison for drug dealing is going to try and kill the cop at least some of the time. The penalty is the same in many states. It’s relying on a criminal having a moral code that says he’ll provide certain drugs for people who want them but he won’t go further and just accept being locked in a cage.

      Who created this situation? The cops and government did. The control freaks and do-gooders. The utopia building social engineers. Last I heard being a cop is still voluntary. They can quit and get productive jobs. If the government finds itself short of wiling employees maybe it will reform the job or maybe it will conscript people or use the military. The cops have powerful unions they could use as leverage to reform their jobs. These unions have been effective at extracting the wealth of the population for their membership. However they don’t leverage their political power to fix what the job is. Apparently they want it this way just like their employers. So I have no sympathy.

      • Even though the ‘risk’ of being a phero seems to be on the uptick, they still don’t make the Top 10 lists, finishing well behind farmer, commercial fisherman, logger, etc.
        And if they don’t like the risk, no one held a gun to their heads and forced them to take the job.
        One thing they do seem to like is the higher pay they have managed to extort due to the risk. So they are being compensated. If they insist on ‘ociffer safety,’ then return the ‘hazardous duty pay’ that they refuse to earn.

        • Nope. they aren’t even close to many productive jobs. I should have noted that. It is for that reason there have always been highwaymen, the risk/reward of being a highwayman is viable.

      • In the bad old days of slavery, the slave-catchers would kidnap a few people and steal all their freedom and labor. Today we have advanced. Now the slave-catchers have uniforms and only steal part of the freedom and labor of everyone.

        • Yes, the 13th Amendment supposedly put an end to ‘involuntary servitude.’ But as is turns out, they meant only servitude to a private individual. The gunvermin, through such devices as ‘Selective Service’ (the draft) and the 16th Amendment, still claims ownership.

    • There is much angst and consternation against prosecutors and grand juries who refuse to bring charges against police officers, even when incontrovertible evidence is presented. Even with incontrovertible audio and video evidence, prosecutors are loath to prosecute rogue law enforcement personnel.
      Let’s examine the reasons why it is so difficult to prosecute thug cops:
      Most prosecutors are former police officers or have extensive dealings with police departments and have ongoing relationships with police departments in their respective jurisdictions. They are friendly with the judges in their jurisdictions, as well. This, along with “absolute immunity” makes it easy for them to “cover up” police abuses and behavior. Prosecutors cannot be sued for malfeasance…it takes a judge (who prosecutors are friendly with) to bring charges on a rogue prosecutor (which almost never happens).
      In addition, prosecutors guide the actions of grand juries. Prosecutors are not required to introduce any evidence to grand juries, (can and do) easily “whitewash” the actions of rogue cops. On the other hand, prosecutors can (and often do) go after honest citizens who seek justice outside official channels…prosecutors have ultimate power and are not afraid to use it…their immunity sees to that.
      Another aspect to a grand jury’s inability to prosecute bad cops is the fear of retribution…cops drive around all day, have nothing but time, have access to various databases, and can easily get the names and addresses of grand jurors…this, in itself can be a powerful deterrent against grand jurors who “want to do the right thing” and prosecute bad cops. There are many cases of cops parking in front of grand jurors’ residences, following them around, and threaten to issue citations to them, in order to “convince” them to “make the right decision”…the “thin blue line” at its worst…
      The whole system has to change.
      Eliminate absolute and qualified immunity for all public officials. The fear of personal lawsuits would be a powerful deterrent against abuses of the public.
      Any funds disbursed to civilians as a result of official misconduct must be taken from the police pension funds–NOT from the taxpayers.
      Grand juries must be superior to the prosecutor; ALL evidence must be presented to grand jurors. Failure to do so must be considered a felony and subject prosecutors to prosecution themselves.
      No police agency can be allowed to investigate itself. Internal affairs departments must be restricted to minor in-house investigations of behavior between cops. All investigations must be handled by outside agencies, preferably at the state level.
      Civilian police review boards must be free of police influence. Members of civilian review boards must have NO ties to police departments. Relatives of police would be prohibited from serving…Recently, the “supreme court” threw police another “bone”. The court ruled that police are not responsible for their actions if they are “ignorant of the law”…now, let’s get this straight–honest citizens cannot use “ignorance of the law” as an excuse, but cops can??
      Revolution is sorely needed…..

    • …cry me a river…
      there are are many professions that are much more hazardous. Cops have the advantage of having the power of the state behind them, and generally speaking, can “do no wrong”.
      It is interesting to note that today’s police officers’ training comes out of the Israeli “playbook” and takes into account the wartime situation that Israel exists under. Police officers are no longer invested in their communities, but harbor an “us vs. them” attitude that is much more dangerous to the citizen than ever before.
      Even grand juries are reluctant to indict rogue police officers as they themselves fear retribution.
      There are no easy answers, but here are a few suggestions:
      1. Get rid of immunity for police officers and firefighters.
      2. Get rid of police and firefighter unions. “Public servants” have no need for unions.
      3. Require officers to purchase a “bond” at their own expense.
      4. Require all investigations for misbehavior to be handled by outside disinterested agencies.
      5. Subordinate prosecutors to the grand jury. Grand juries should be able to bring up charges without the involvement or approval of the prosecutor.
      6. Require prosecutors to submit all evidence of wrongdoing to the grand jury. Failure to do so should be a felony.

      • 2. Get rid of police and firefighter unions. “Public servants” have no need for unions.

        If the state is good and private companies bad why do government workers need unions?

        The fact that government employee unions exist are an admission that those who run government will screw other people over. It’s a tacit admission of what the system really is.

      • And to add more to that, I have had Occfifers do things that risked not only his life but countless(really)other lives getting their shot at me as a trucker. One young 20 something shit told me his blues and reds protected him. Sure, that’s what a guy I knew 40 years ago said and ended up being crushed between a car and his car by a motorist(not even a truck)blinded by the lights.

        If they want to mention danger, think about the things clovers and the thugscrum do every day that could easily cause a trucker to kill a lot of people including themselves. I know not a single person who’s been a cop who could stand to do what I do every day. They’d flip out and have a mental breakdown from the risks. i’ll give you an example.

        Friday week I was hauling(wish Ancap were here, he’d know what I meant)a Cat 315C Track Hoe, a big sumbitch, bigger than a Cat D6 and much taller so its center of gravity is much higher. I was in construction on a tight curve in the outside lane that normally would have been the paved shoulder when clover injected itself into that lane right in front of me and then immediately realizing traffic was slower than they anticipated, slammed on the brakes right in front of me and I’m trying to negotiate a hard curve with that load on a drop deck trailer, not even a lowboy like it should have been. It was touch and go for many seconds, way to long a time and clover was unaware of being nearly run over and having me flip a big rig with a huge piece of equipment.

        Well, that’s just par for the course but clover isn’t the only one to do that. I nearly ran over a Midland, Texas DOT little shit when he came around me and slammed on the brakes to force me to stop after being behind me for a mile or so. I had nowhere to pull off(Midland’s loop has big curbs beside each lane, a totally insane design) and Texas law allows me to go to what I feel is a safe spot. He didn’t see it that way and nearly caused dozens of vehicles behind us not expecting everybody to slam on their brakes to do it right there. He runs up and proudly tells me with a big smile who he is. I wasn’t impressed since I had nearly run over him. Then he backs up really fast back behind me where this had all begun and causes even more of a jam and the pile up behind us mounts. I then go down to the very next road, nearly a mile away, the very one I intended to pull off on to begin with where he pulls off and I follow him. Had he just waited for me to find a place to get off, it would have been no big deal. He’s the little shit who said his blues and reds protected him. We’ll see, He was lucky that time. And if someone had been hurt or killed, his buddies would immediately blamed me, esp had I run over him. I doubt a big rig grossing 78,000 lbs. will ever be able to stop as fast as a cop Tahoe. He got lucky and I guess I did too. Idiots, every friggin one of them.

        • Eightsouthman,

          He runs up and proudly tells me with a big smile who he is. I wasn’t impressed since I had nearly run over him.

          A damn lucky idiot. I’m guessing that idiot flunked basic physics.

      • anarchyst: “Subordinate prosecutors to the grand jury. Grand juries should be able to bring up charges without the involvement or approval of the prosecutor.”

        See common law grand jury: http://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/

        DUTY OF THE “COMMON LAW” GRAND JURY – If anyone’s unalienable rights have been violated, or removed, without a legal sentence of their peers, from their lands, home, liberties or lawful right, we [the twenty-five] shall straightway restore them. And if a dispute shall arise concerning this matter it shall be settled according to the judgment of the twenty-five Grand Jurors, the sureties of the peace. MAGNA CARTA, JUNE 15, A.D. 1215, 52.

    • Bob the whole point is nothing should be illegal as long as you take nothing from anyone else……nothing.

      Your point about times changing is very telling. Yep, the more force you use on people the more radical they’ll become. Sometimes, the powerful get what their design set out to do and so we have this cop problem. I recall when we had one DPS(a hole, every one we ever had),(county seat), a sheriff(really nice guy, didn’t wear a gun nor need one)and his deputy, our version of Barney Fife….harmless but with the most misguided intentions.

      And to think that this whole cop worship thing got on steroids because of a bully who wanted to force EVERYBODY to do whatever it was he was thinking about at the time, something nobody could have done and he declared war on everybody in this country. Yep, Tricky Dick wasn’t so tricky as malicious. You probably voted for him.

  8. Largely, such dissent against cops is a result of the internet where, on far more than enough occasions, the irrefutable truth can be found. If cops didn’t act unlawfully as most often they do, they wouldn’t be on YouTube for the rest of the planet to judge.

    By and large, most people say that cops have a difficult job.

    I have no sympathy. They chose their “careers” and knew precisely what they were getting into and, what their partners in crime were doing.

    • Nice to see at least one of you understands the crucial status of the internet as the constraining factor in all of this.

      The machines we’re using to communicate and the connections between them are entirely within our power to modify and construct to suit our purposes.

      I’m completely baffled when you’re able to understand the objective facts of IC machinery, and then treat the internet as though it’s a fait accompli delivered by magic.

      My typing and sending alpha-numeric symbols to a bunch of strangers I’ll never meet. The way we each deal with our loved ones and the other humans we’re in competition with.

      Earning federal debt notes as our means of survival. These phenomena all have just as many technical aspects as do working on a car, and being a hands-on applied engineer with various kinds of machinery.

      Existence is nothing more than molecules amid time-space and the sub-atomic machinery and processes that makes them interact and creates all the sensations we each perceive as physical reality.

      You’ve all been lied to and you need to face that. The declarative part of your brain and the record of your experiences that you’ve stored in your memory are all terribly flawed and lacking in necessary details.

      Most of what you think you know. The majority of the things you quibble and obsess over are completely irrelevant garbage.

      Does a green car perform different than a red car. Does it matter if this site is 1% ads or 90% ads? No of course not.

      You’re engaged in a life or death contest with 7 billion other players, and all that really matters is how you play the game in the single limited time you have available.

      Having a head full of knowledge is only the beginning. Eric has enough of the answers to help us get a better outcome in the game of life. But most of you aren’t helping him even the smallest bit. You’re too cowardly or befuddled to do anything more than be a chattering bystander who’s never going to remotely matter, when the stats are tallied, and your games are over.

      If you come here only to passively observe eric’s work and not actively contribute something yourself, you’re missing the most important aspect of this website, IMO.

  9. During Baltimore Uprising, Comments and Internet Postings Were Labeled as Criminal Threats
    http://shadowproof.com/2015/07/31/during-baltimore-uprising-city-officials-criminalized-hashtags-designated-activists-as-threats/

    Internet commentors labeled as threats
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2189984-zerofox-designated-activists-threats-during.html

    The Googulag is here already. There’s not as much pain and suffering this time. But there’s also not as much realness. Most things are only legal to be done virtually, they’ve been made to expensive and risky to do in the real world anymore.

    Just enjoy your megaconglomerate published book, song, and program and don’t make too many waves. Or else.
    http://shadowproof.com/2015/08/10/pentagon-war-manual-gives-military-license-to-target-attack-journalists/

    With a simple pressing of a button anyone anywhere in the New Cyberia can be designated for special torture regiments instead of the usual hasslings and intimidations.

  10. I also would not assist any policeman being beaten to a pulp. Look at the way they are so cohesive. One of them dies, hundreds of them swarm from hundreds of miles away to the ceremony. I was repeatedly accused of being a “narcotics user.” The probable cause? I was walking a small, leashed dog. Naturally I didn’t complain later as I’d expect severe retaliation. Several times in traffic I’ve had “law enforcers” look at me like they were one half millimeter from opening fire on me—for obeying the traffic regulations when they were sadly on hand. I’ve had vandalism and theft where I reside and decided to not take any chance of Mongol horsemen arriving by reporting my losses to “law enforcers.” If you are asked why you didn’t assist a cop being beaten up just say you “felt threatened” by the superior fighting ability of the person pounding the policeman. Law enforcement is the chosen occupation of the more clever criminal.

    • Ditto, Charlie.

      The cops (there were two of the porkers in the SUV) who hassled my friends and I – literally threatening us with jail (and possibly worse) during the course of a routine stop over a rinky-dinky speeding ticket – earned my abiding contempt for them as human beings.

      They are scum.

      • how dare you visit indignities upon the blue dacron cowboys. they are not scum. they are lower than pond scum.

  11. “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand. The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst; the cursed machine would have ground to a halt . . .”
    – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

    • Yup.

      Unfortunately trying to get the self-absorbed, TV addled, Ipad addicted drones to even take the time to read that short excerpt, never mind a book, is pointless.

      “hey, I’m doing alright, don’t bother me with your depressing nonsense……I’m busy, the game is on.”

      Bread and circuses, same as it ever was.

      • From ‘Gulag’: The Simplest Methods which Break the Will
        http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9236.htm

        The methods of bringing pressure to bear can begin a long time before the interrogator’s office.

        15. Prison begins with the box, in other words, what amounts to a closet or packing case. The human being who has just been taken from freedom, still in a state of inner turmoil, ready to explain, to argue, to struggle, is, when he first sets foot in prison, clapped into a “box,” which sometimes has a lamp and a place where he can sit down, but which sometimes is dark and constructed in such a way that he can only stand up and even then is squeezed against the door.

        And he is held there for several hours, or for half a day, or a day. During those hours he knows absolutely nothing! Will he perhaps be confined there all his life? He has never in his life encountered anything like this, and he cannot guess at the outcome. Those first hours are passing when everything inside him is still ablaze from the unstilled storm in his heart.

        Some become despondent-and that’s the time to subject them to their first interrogation. Others become angry-and that, too, is all to the good, for they may insult the interrogator right at the start or make a slip, and it will be all the easier to cook up their case.

  12. Some thoughts:

    “Revenue” becomes more important as department sizes have increased exponentially. Keeping so many in blue isn’t cheap. People forget that many departments had far fewer employees (not just cops) in the past, and those people weren’t paid much either. The not so distant past in some cases.
    For example, the community I live in has about 24,000 people living here. The town police is authorized to employ no more then 40 officers. Generally over the last decade, the count is generally between 35-38. During the 1960’s when the towns population was 27,000 the town had 4 cops.

    Yes, “only” 4 police officers, or then they were called town marshals. The police department was located in a retired classroom in the town hall (the town hall was a old school built in the 1890’s). People that got arrested (rarely happened) had to be transferred to the county lockup (the one John Dillinger famously escaped from) as they had no cell, just a bench with a place to handcuff someone that was combative. Think Mayberry, because the town was pretty close to that. The “thin blue line” was far more true then it is today.

    However the 1970’s arrived and things changed. A new town hall was built on a sloping site. The police department was moved to the lower “basement” level. One of the marshals was killed in the line of duty, murdered by an fleeing escapee from a nearby major city. A second died of a heart attack, stoke or whatever when he was working a year or so later, both are considered “lost in the line of duty” officers. Two parks are now named for in their memory. No officers have been “lost” since.

    That was the end of the small department (it was growing already, but it made it go faster), its been growing ever since. The basement location is being replaced by a (big) freestanding building today in 2015 (at the cost of over 10 million). The new police department building towers over the town hall built in 1970 (it was originally planned to match the modernist town hall but that changed, hmmmmmm).

    Ironically, in a flyer sent out by the town this summer, the issue proclaims that crime rates are now at the same level as the 1960’s. It also has pictures of the huge new police department building under construction. I imagine few noticed that irony.

    Another community nearby, in a more rural part of the county that began to suburbanize starting in the late 1970’s, managed to retain its small department into the mid 1980’s. A mentally ill person shot up a big box store in 1985, killing 3 people and wounding several more included one of the cops, who returned fire killing the shooter. Today that town has a department of 25 (also in a newly built building), and is well known as a town sized speed trap.

    Rare events like these will always be used to increase department size. I am guessing many readers of this site have similar stories in their local areas.

    • Here in west Tx. new cop shops/jails are going up in the smallest of towns, those without a need for a jail or barely a need except the sheriff’s can make deals to house inmates for other little towns with bad over-crowding. In the town nearest to me, a new jail/copshop/terrorist detainment is going up right now and one in a neighboring town plus plenty others in this part of the country. We virtually have no crime in our county except for “drugs”. We had a shooting in the last few months for the first time in years, involving a friend of mine(who got shot), his ex and her boy friend. He was coming to get the children he’ll get permanently soon since he’s a trucker and she’s a speed freak living with her new Aryan Brotherhood BF(Hard to believe in a tiny town of 400)speedfreak. BTW, the idiot shot through his endgate while he was leaving but managed to go through the back of the cab, two sets of seats and damn near killed the guy. Yep, a 7mm Mag will do that…….and they didn’t even charge him with attempted murder(and it was only the 3 try). The MF wouldn’t have gotten a second chance with me.

      • Frank Castle had it right: when the law is inadequate, we must revert to natural law, to shame the law’s inadequacy.

        What else are we doing, when we laugh at someone beating down a pig? when we celebrate the dead cop? when we evade the idiots who populate our society, and try to evade the pigs who carry whips in their trotters…?

        I guess I just got here first… (and now live somewhere where it’s actually not much of a problem, from what I’ve seen – very strange in Boston, you’d think it would be the other way around.)

  13. another useful article I found that can apply in all situations with the police.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/what-a-motorist-should-do-when-stopped-by-a-police-officer/#more-556951

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    What a motorist should do when stopped by a police officer
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    I have no idea if this will work. I have never tried it. I pass this along to our community since I had never before heard of this suggestion, but it seems plausible to me, and, if it works, it would be very helpful. The motorist should give the policeman a sheet of paper with this printed on it:

    I have hearing damage. In order to assist you in performing your duties, please indicate below what you require of me and the legal authority for your demands:
    Officer Name: _____________________________
    Agency Name: ____________________________
    Officer I.D. Number: ___________
    Warrant: Yes ____ No _____
    Detention Status: Detained_______
    Under Arrest/In Custody_____
    Free to go/ Consensual Contact______
    Legal Cause for Detention/Arrest (Specific Violation/Code and Section): ________________________________
    Documents Demanded: Driver’s License___ Vehicle Registration___ Passport ___
    CCW ___ Military Discharge Papers ___ Proof of Insurance ___
    Officer Signature: _____________________
    Date/Time ___________________

    If you are interested in the background of this, how it came to me, etc., keep reading

    Dr. Block,

    Rather than just venting anger at police misconduct and bullying, I
    thought I would try to come up with something constructive. I hope you can
    take a few moments to review my idea and offer whatever comments or
    criticisms you feel appropriate.

    After viewing many youtube videos of citizen/police contacts where ID
    is demanded by the officer without legal cause, I came up with an idea.
    Just give any officer demanding ID the attached piece of paper (remove part
    about hearing impairment if not applicable). The paper asks the officer to
    specify his reason for demanding documents, and forces the officer to
    clarify the detention status of the citizen. This should work well at
    suspicionless stops like border patrol checkpoints and DUI checkpoints. If
    the officer indicates “free to leave/consensual contact” then just leave.
    If the officer indicates “detained,” the officer must spell out the
    crime/violation he is alleging. If they can’t it is an unlawful detention.

    It is important that the citizen should not talk to the officer at
    all; just hand the officer the form and wait for them to hand it back. If
    the officer refuses to complete the form, identify themselves, or specify a
    legal cause for the detention, the citizen can fill in the form themselves
    writing “Officer Refusal” in the appropriate spaces.

    If the officer fills in the form honestly, and has a legitimate reason
    for the detention, then I suggest cooperation. If the officer is unwilling
    to identify themselves or specify in writing their justifications, then the
    form will be valuable evidence in court that the officer was unreasonable.
    This form can be modified to suit each individual’s circumstances (i.e.
    don’t list a CCW or discharge papers if you don’t have them). You could
    also add “I do not consent to any searches or questioning without counsel
    present” to the form if you wish.

    Again, do not talk to or argue with the officer. Just hand them the
    form and watch them squirm if they are detaining you illegally.

    AH
    Retired Deputy Sheriff (22 years)

    • I’d like to have Walter ride with me for a year. Just the paranoia of a DOT thug stopping you causes much angst and while I’m not one to cowtow to them, I don’t endeavor to stir them up either. Mostly, I simply sit and do as commanded(I command thee)and step on this and flip this switch, etc. etc. I have pointed out to some of them what they’re doing to people who are creating something, people who are simply victims of them and if they didn’t produce a lot of money would be no good for them. What happens if I can’t pay exorbitant fines for bullshit? Sure, they can incarcerate me and that will only increase the debt load and they can take my truck and that will only greatly increase non-productivity.

      I agree that taking the scrum thugs to task will most likely increase your fine, debt, incarceration, etc. I barely avoided a DOT’er twice today. Boy, was I happy. I would dearly love to set them down and speak to the truth of the situation. How many people think this would be effective? I could point out I’m having a positive effect on the economy while they are doing nothing than killing that same economy and if I didn’t exist, neither would they, but they don’t even understand that.

      You might possibly make a point if the occifer was smart enough(not likely)to understand what you’re trying to get across to them. I have offered to find them a meaningful job. It goes over the top of almost all of them.

      So I sit on the side of the road and bask in the heat since I’m not allow(bullshit orders from them)to keep my truck running(and I have done so when they said I couldn’t….just fuck em). But then they’ll demand I start my truck and go through paces for them only.
      I can tell the a=holes I can’t start my truck and leave it running because of whatever the reason might be but they’ll turn it around and say it’s not roadworthy. Needing some anti-freeze I’m just about to stop and add isn’t a problem as long as I’m the only one who sees the need to do it. I’d go on but it’s the same thing every day and every body here would simply be bored or have no idea of what I speak of. 800 lbs. over an 80,000 pound limit, less than nothing to even speak of but technically it’s a big deal……if they want to make it one. Where is a good handheld missile when you need one? Fuck em and feed em fish heads.

      I spent two hours no the side of the road yesterday waiting for the engine to cool enough i could start it and find where the vast oil leak originated. So I find it……finally, a really fucked thing some idiot did when a turbo oil supply line broke and they fixed it with some really shitty rubber hose, didn’t even use a hose of a quality needed. So i finally fire it up after two hours of cooling so it didn’t make so much smoke I couldn’t see and then found the problem. It was one of those southern engineering fixes. A replacement of the hard line would have made it a thing of the past. DOT everywhere. But do you think one stopped to help? Let’s all have a good laugh at that. Once again, fuck em and feed em fish heads.

      BTW, when a DOT issues you a mandate it’s just something they do and it’s not to help you. They’ll watch if you can fix something or identify a part that is needed but as far as helping you, they don’t even consider it(like giving you a ride). And just to be truthful, it wasn’t always this way.

      Well, it was 16 hours yesterday and nearly 700 miles and 14 hours today and trying to avoid the scum suckers. And, to be sure, it really wasn’t always that way. Cheers!!!!

      • Sorry 8SM, it’s called commerce on public roads and you’re engaging in it by being paid to be behind the wheel. That’s what Statute law is all about. You have no recourse and it’ll only get worse as your grabbermint make more and more laws to fleece you and any company you might work for. It’s what they do and they’re getting better at it.

        Probably the best thing you can do is something else as a job and deny them any more ill-gotten gains. Once you attain that, you can fling them the bird every time you “travel” past them, since you’re no longer “driving”.

    • “Again, do not talk to or argue with the officer. Just hand them the
      form and watch them squirm if they are detaining you illegally.”

      This is an excellent illustration of what I’ve been saying about Block for years. Let Walter do this and report back, once he gets out of jail and/or the hospital, if he survives the encounter.

  14. Eric,

    I hope these two suggestions work out well for you your 2 pals.

    One is http://nevergetbusted.com/nevergetbusted-tips/how-to-fight-speeding-ticket/

    How to fight a speeding ticket taught by police sergeant

    Consult with Barry- Email us at info@nevergetbusted.com

    article-2250510-16911359000005DC-421_634x458

    By: Barry Cooper

    Although I don’t agree with this cop’s statement that he was always “fair,” I do agree his method of beating a traffic ticket will work. It’s impossible for a person to be “fair” when that person is accepting tax money to enforce the unjust laws of the United States. Saying there are “fair” cops is like saying their were “fair” Nazis. That said, follow this cop’s advice and you can beat your next traffic ticket. Enjoy!

    My name is Stan. I am a retired Sergeant of Police in Victoria for 14 years. I was also a police prosecutor at times, so I know what I am talking about. I spent half my life in Magistrates Court during my time in the Force. I was only ever a very fair copper, and I am proud of my time in the job, looking after the interests of Victorians, often to the detriment of my family and my health.

    I never booked any driver for a trifling offense “ever”. People committing trifling offences commonly used to get a warning and a licence / vehicle check. It had to be serious before I booked anyone.
    I am so annoyed at what is happening these days, in what I call “Indiscriminate revenue gathering” It is absolutely disgusting. The government and the Police Force need to hang their heads in shame. If you did a survey of current serving members of the police forces in this country, you would be hard pushed to find many who disagree with me.

    I know how the legal system works, and I know how to beat the system. This is how to do it, and if about 10% of all drivers booked follow my specific instructions, then the entire system will crash and become unworkable to the extent, that the government will have no choice but to stop issuing fines for every type of traffic offence. The whole lot of them. Seriously.

    I do not feel guilty about coming out with this information, as I think it’s about time someone stood up for hard working, civil minded, law abiding taxpayers in this country, who are being screwed.
    This is very simple and very basic. The idea is to clog up the system in the traffic camera office and the courts by drivers exercising their rights to remain innocent until proven guilty.
    SIMPLE BASIC LEGAL STEPS TO FOLLOW…………….

    1. Do not accept the alleged offence. There are numerous valid reasons to dispute every single alleged offence. Often the charges are incorrect or the evidence is illegally or incorrectly gathered.

    2. Challenge it, tell them that you are going to defend the matter. Make them earn their miserable $150 or $200 or whatever. They have to prepare evidence and witnesses. Just the wages for the camera operator or the Policeman on the day of the court, will be more than the actual fine. You are also taking a camera operator or a member of the Police Force off the street for the day. But it won’t get to that point…..read on….

    3. If a court date is ever set, and it does not suit you, do not accept it, ask for a delay to a time and place that suits you.

    4. When they re set the date, delay it as often as possible. keep pleading not guilty all through the process. You have every right to be sick, or go for an adjournment if the day does not suit for any legitimate reason. For example you may have pressing family or work commitments which prevent you from attending a particular court on a particular day.

    5. If it ever actually gets to court, (which is unlikely if everyone does this) and if you are unwell that day, ring the court in the morning and tell them that you cannot make it as you are sick. The camera operator, and a police prosecutor will already be at court, and will be greatly inconvenienced, by having to come back another day. The whole time this is going on, the amount of paperwork involved at the traffic camera office is huge. Several staff are involved, and it rapidly becomes very costly, probably running into thousands. …..with me so far…..keep reading…….

    6. The court system is then placed under such a massive load by people who wanted “their day in court” that it simply will not be able to cope unless they open up about another 50 magistrates courts, and this is obviously going to cost the government a lot more than any revenue raised. If all the above fails, which is highly unlikely….and you actually go to court and get convicted……you have a right of appeal. Make sure you appeal the conviction. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to see what happens. They are not going to spend millions chasing hundreds.

    7. Tell everyone you know to challenge their alleged offences, and the entire system will crash within a few weeks.

    8. Please pass this on. AND ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY AND THAT THERE IS A VERY HIGH PROBABILITY THAT THE EVIDENCE USED AGAINST YOU IS WRONG. YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO CHALLENGE ANY ALLEGED OFFENCE. THIS IS WHY COURTS EXIST….SO USE THEM……A LOT.

    Regards,

    Stan

    • In the USA the system in many (most?) places has adapted to those techniques. There are some still open but expect to pay much more than the fine to do them especially when considering lost wages. The only viable option financially for most people is to pay a traffic ticket lawyer who will cost more than a fine and is part of the machine. See his ilk are behind various violations thanks to lobbying efforts to increase their business.

      Virgina has always been on the cutting edge of undermining motorists’ rights. But there are still ways to fight and that requires various motions, discoveries, etc and so on. It just takes a lot of time. There was someone in another forum years ago who used to fight tickets in Virgina as I recall and that’s what he did.

      • I need to make a living. I don’t have time for this shit. I pay a lawyer(yes, it sucks) and let him deal with it while I work my ass off trying to get trhough this shit one again.

        There has never been a study or anything else to show that big rig drivers are any better off with a seat belt than without one. It’s the insurance mafia that demands this. Once again, it’s way, way cheaper for me to turn it over to an attorney.

        It’s not like I don’t know this inside and out. Just hire a friggin lawyer that specializes in these things and take a load off your mind and off your pocketbook. It’s much cheaper and hassle free.

  15. I have no use for law enforcement. But in fairness, what we really all want to deal with is the government they are the most visible part of. This is not a democracy, everything a politician votes in is not legitimate, and they were supposed to be managers of limited authority, not rulers.

    Unfortunately, what were dealing with is a monstrous evil, which can conceive of the use of nerve gas, anthrax, and nukes and has no scruples about robbing or killing a few nonentities.

    I never got “speeding”. A trivial matter, measurable only with sophisticated precision instruments. Seat belt usage within my own car is entirely within my personal jurisdiction, and explicitly out of the purview of any government.

    In any event, we are in the midst of the decline and fall of western civilization and what will happen is as much a natural law as gravity.

    Eric, just a point of fact, you have admitted to going 58 in a 45 here in public. You would be wise not to do that again. A wiser course would have been for the three of you to go to court and each profess a safe and reasonable speed, to the best of your knowledge under the posted speed limit. I personally have little compuction about stealing from a thief, lying to a liar, or defending myself with any and all means necessary.

    Best wishes,
    EP

  16. We’ve mentioned before how at some point there was a transition made from being ‘peace’ officers to being LEOs – Law Enforcement Officers. It often seems like it has been a fairly recent happening.
    My wife likes to take DVDs out of the library. Recently she came home with ‘Highway Patrol’ starring Broderick Crawford. Made in the late 50’s. In the foreword to each episode, Crawford talks about how each state has a group of people responsible for ‘enforcing the laws.’
    So it’s been going on longer than some of us realized.

    • So it’s been going on longer than some of us realized.

      It all has. Various researchers have found the writings, conference proceedings and so forth that date back to the late 19th and early 20th century with regards to the shaping of society. The creation and change over of police is just one facet of a very long term plan that has been in play for a long time now. The masses do not research, they do not read what those who did research wrote. The schools certainly don’t tell them. People are trained, conditioned to bring about outcomes.

      The conspiracy theory label is often thrown about but I contend there really isn’t a conspiracy. There are people who see themselves as the managers of society and they simply use relatively small inputs and reward / punishment mechanisms to shape society to their desires and benefit. It’s not even secret and should most anyone find the old writings they will be dismissed or thought to be of no concern because we already have that or do that.

      It’s in the entertainment, the academics, etc and so on. “nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care.”

    • That’s a good one. Can your wife suggest other DVD’s? We enjoy bs a great deal. Seen Reefer Madness too many times now, need some “new” stuff. Blood on the Highway……but then I repeat.

      • No particular recommendations, 8. She just picks up whatever catches her fancy – and then she often doesn’t watch it, just falls asleep in front of it. Or uses it for ‘filler’ while she is grooming or clipping rabbits.
        She was bringing home ‘JAG’ a while back – good statist nonsense, but fun to watch if you know it ain’t happening to you.

  17. Cops have been deliberately trained to create an us vs. them set up. Where they are occupiers. It’s about isolating the cops from the population at large. This in turn makes it easier for cops to use violence and brutality and enforce the law as they are told it is. This is necessary for the desired ‘utopia’.

    Those without the political, social, and economic resources were the first this was used upon. It was figured that the rest of the country would shrug in their ‘that only happens to bad people over there’ and continue to allow expansion of government and police power. Now it’s being rolled out to the population at large so we have the media highlighting a few instances that serve a narrative. This will keep the masses unaware since it has to happen close to their social circles or themselves for them to even notice without media coverage. By the time resistance can me mounted the trap will be fully closed. There will be no more peace officers, just enforcers who’s loyalties are to their comrades and their masters in that order.

  18. Really sorry to hear you had to TOFTT.
    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9KGNNbgk364/T67TDGADeMI/AAAAAAAAAK8/LGF5GqoRHK8/s400/come-on-man-take-one_1329095104_epiclolcom.png

    I was recently speeding and revenge tailgating a passive aggressive tourbus in a construction zone and had Buford T come squealin out from his hidey hole pig sty and run up all close on me.

    I quickly turned to my sleeping Dad in the passenger seat and pretended to engage him in a highly gesticulated and animated conversation as a desperate ploy to seem human and not some drone who’ll painlessly be pulled over.
    http://worth1000.s3.amazonaws.com/submissions/150000/150245_2046_625x1000.jpg

    It probably had nothing to do with not getting rung up, but I figured anything was better than being seen sitting there like some lobotomized mannequin fearfully staring dead ahead and bleating with the hooves at 9 and 3.

    Maybe the swine cortex might disengage and his human cortex reengage as he remembers on his days of he’s 2 legs bad just like the rest of us.

  19. Looks like I was just an “early adopter” in this situation…

    Sorry you got nailed; hope you can fight it (E.G., how did they get a speed on three bikes coming towards them, especially sport bikes…? )

    You yourself wrote that it’s becoming worth it to run; why not have a battle plan just in case? (Contingency is not an adequate description.)

    • Hi Jean,

      Normally, I would have run. The only reason I didn’t was because I was in a group – riding with friends – and I didn’t want to leave any of them holding the bag. We – stupidly – had not discussed what we’d do if we had to deal with cops.

      So, we lost the moment.

      And now we’re paying for it.

      • Not following your logic here Eric. All three of you ended up ‘holding the bag’ instead of one.

        In fact, if you had run, the likelihood is that the pig would have tried to catch you and ignored the others. The pig mentality and ego would be enraged by the audacity of not meekly obeying.

        BTW, who made the decision to pull over and wait?

        • Hi Me2,

          That’s true. But my hesitation was the result of not wanting to abandon my friends. I wasn’t sure whether they’d run and if any of them got caught, I’d have felt bad about it – especially because the cops would have really given it to them. I think they (my friends) had the same thought. We all kind of slowed and stopped. Idiots, I know.

          That’s what happens when you don’t discuss “the plan” before you head out.

          • It’s occurred to me I should look into Enduros. Something that can go off-road, but is also street legal. And maybe some war-paint to gussy up a fake plate.
            See the hog, hear the oink – flip a switch and no more plate, and then go off-road where they cannot follow. Would work in many parts of Jersey; not so sure up in New England – trees grow denser, fewer trails, and people are OVERLY protective of their “private property” (in quotes because they’ll also ignore YOUR property rights). E.G., while walking the dog around the adjacent apartment complex, people with dogs asked if I was a resident. I answered I was from next door, and they told me to leave, it was “private property.” (Not like I was doing it the first time, nor were there a lot of signs, nor was the dog being a nuisance, etc.) These same Puritans will walk through OUR development without a care or thought….

            Anyway – hot to make an Enduro useful for regular use, while also being nimble enough to evade. And can’t mount weapons, worst of all… 😉 (I’m an earth sign. When you hit the ground, does it care…? But my personality is fire, and the more you beat at it, the hotter it burns… 😉 )

      • Eric, you confessed under duress. They had arms and you didn’t. That in itself is grounds for proving reasonable doubt. Also how did the cops know you were speeding? Is there photographic proof, and also as the radar can only provide one speed reading, you can all 3 go to court and ask which vehicle was doing the speeding? There is sufficient grounds here to provide reasonable doubt and get the tickets thrown out. The NMA, who ad on your site, will be able to provide some help in this matter. Also consider making the cops provide “intent” that you were speeding. Also there was too much time taken for the stop, which is reasonable grounds for dismissal. There was a case recently in which the court ruled that too long a stop is not allowed, and dismissed a ticket that resulted in a 45 minute stop.

        Don’t pay, all 3 of you can pool resources and fight this.

  20. Sorry you got popped. You’re right, it’s about dominance and obedience, not seeing that we have a civilized society.

    Also, not the text in the graphic about the UC murder. “Former” Officer Charged…as though at some point in time in the past this person was a cop. NO, he did it while being paid by the state to inflict enFORCEment on a non-violent person. He killed for Caesar. This is the default position of media, if a cop goes so far over the line in working for GovCo that he’s actually fired any criminal charges are on a “former” cop. Just another way to protect our overlords from having the great unwashed see them for what they really are, brutal authoritarians.

  21. Oooo, that story brings me such joy!!! I always loved seeing shitheads get what they deserve, and to know that an asshole cop got laid out is just a warm balm to my soul! (smile)

    People are getting sick of the crap, and the cops brought it all on themselves, whether they want to admit it or not. IF cops were decent, bystanders would have easially rushed to his aid…as has happened thousands of times in the past when the cops are having trouble and clearly in the right.

    Think of a mugger running down the street, and a citizen tackles them so the cops can show up. Nowadays, people know that odds are that cop’s going to kill the person, so it’s more morally just to help the criminal! They’re literally the lesser of the 2 evils here.

    I would have loved to be there to join in the laughter over his arrogant broken body. MMmmmmm (laugh)

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