“Hating” EVs

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I am regularly accused of “hating” electric cars – in the same way I and others who opposes forcing anyone to take a “vaccine” they’d prefer not to take is smeared as being “anti-vax.”

To be fair, I do dislike electric cars.

Chiefly because I like cars more than I like appliances, which is what electric cars are, fundamentally. Because they are all fundamentally the same thing, which tends to bleed off any enthusiasm for one vs. another.

But my hatred is reserved for the forcing of EVs, especially as by forcing non-EVs off the market – as is being done in a very deliberate and systematic way via regulations that non-electric cars cannot comply with or which are so expensive to comply with that the non-electric car is effectively forced off the market without the  decency of an outright ban.

The latest example of this being the Biden Thing’s decree – it is styled an “executive order” – kicking up federal fuel efficiency mandatory minimums by some 15 miles-per-gallon, from the current approximately 36 MPG to approximately 50 MPG, by 2026. This is a standard only a few hybrid (partially electric) cars can meet. Which means it is a standard meant to discourage the manufacture of cars that cannot meet it – which means non-hybrid cars.

Eventually, even hybrid cars will be de facto outlawed, too – irrespective of their mileage – because they still burn gas, no matter how efficiently. The de facto ban will be disguised as a ban on (or an impossibly high standard for) carbon dioxide “emissions.”

All of this being artificial, because it is imposed artificially – by government decree. And that is what I hate. I also hate the deliberate suppression of the cons of EV ownership while the putative pros are endlessly extolled. This being of a piece with the way the cons regarding “vaccines” are suppressed while the putative pros are endlessly extolled. It is dishonest and it makes intelligent, informed decision-making much harder.

It is something every reasonable person ought to hate because of the principle it represents – the taking away of choices, by government.

Imagine the choices we might have open to us, were it not for the government decrees and the artificial market created by them.

We would almost certainly be free to choose an EV that reduced our cost of driving – as opposed to increasing it. Such an EV would come at the cost of shorter range and the longer time it takes to recharge, of course. But if it were built specifically for short-range driving, its short range would not be an issue for those who didn’t expect or need it to be capable of long range driving. Such an EV would not need a massive (on average, 1,000-plus pounds in an artificially induced EV) battery pack so as to be capable of long range (and high speed) driving. It would work just fine – for short range driving – with a battery a third the size that would only cost a third as much.

Such EVs are – ironically enough – available, right now, in countries like China. Teenagers are able to afford a new EV, there. Over here, most adults cannot afford an EV because the only ones available cost at least $10,000 more than an otherwise similar compact-sized non-electric economy car.

If it weren’t for the artificial “incentives” imposed by government mandates and subsidies, there would likely be a spectrum of available EVs, ranging from very basic, short-range transportation appliances such as those available in China to high-end/high-performance models like the models sold by Tesla (currently subsidized by you).

The market would decide which choices were on offer, rather than the government. Instead of one-size-fits-all, the size decided by an arrogant bureaucracy that doesn’t care about your needs/wants (or your budget) there would be sizes-to-fit-all, including their budget. It would work just the market for clothes works. You are free to buy what suits. No one forces you to wear a given – a decreed – suit.

This was how the market for cars once operated, before the government got into the car business.

I’d like it a lot if the government got out of the business – and let us decide what suits.

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  1. regarding depopulation etc. I forgot to mention all the high mileage gas carburators (50 – 200mpg) developed since the 30’s or 40’s on. like the pogue etc! it is rumored that the oil co’s reformulated the gas to prevent them from working.. I also remember reading an article that shell oil even once predicted 200 mpg cars i believe it was at a worlds fair. this stuff can b found online if you look hard enough.

    sorry name is billy not anonymous

    • Ok, Billy, let’s go through some of the basics of chemistry and thermodynamics and it should be obvious why such purported miracles like the Pogue carburetors were frauds…

      Gasoline is a blend of liquid aliphatic hydrocarbons, normalized as gasoline. The “octane rating” compares the combustion behavior of the gasoline in a standard engine (Buck 425 cubic inch V8) and averages it with the “research” octane, or predicted rating based on the fuel blend. For “pure” octane, there’s what’s known as a “Stochiometric” equation, which is combined a certain ratio of fuel to oxygen (the nitrogen in the air rides along for “free”) and produces a certain amount of water vapor and carbon dioxide, IF the air/fuel mixture burns completely. Any unburned fuel is either going out the exhaust pipe and/or accumulating in the engine’s crankcase (blow-by), and will rapidly dilute the oil and ruin its lubricating properties, damaging the engine. Furthermore, the combustion process gives off heat, as being “combustion”, it’s a chemically exothermic reaction, so that heat does three things (1) it’s transferred to the air that the engine is pumping, expanding it, hence how the piston is pushed downwards in the ‘power’ stroke of the engine cycle, generating useful work (2) the power stroke finishes before the hot gases have expanded enough to cool off to ambient air, so when the exhaust valve opens, they’re expelled out the cylinder w/o doing any useful work (3) some heat is, of course, conducted via the cylinder wall and head, and to avoid it expanding too much, or even melting, there’s cooling passages in both that conduct the excess heat away, keep the engine from overheating. Of course, this has the beneficial effect of maintaining the engine at a constant, operating temperature, enabling a design to maintain useful clearances of moving parts.

      It can therefore be seen that if indeed there was a faulty fuel formulation or carburetor design that wasted fifty percent or more of the available fuel, it’d be noticeable, very quickly, and that engine wouldn’t run very long. It’s also obvious that the real issue is loss of useful heat of the combustion process, so engine designers have to fiddle around with bore and stroke combination, connecting rod lengths, and even materials used, to increase efficiency. There is also the ability to use intercoolers and turbochargers, to make use of excess heat, but the real “Holy Grail” would be a true “adiabatic” engine, where the materials are such that they effectively insulate against the heat, making a cooling system unnecessary, but they can be machined with the needed tolerances for moving parts and will last long enough to be useful. Come up with that, and either the world beats a path to your door, or, along with Luca Brasi, you “sleep with the fishes”.

  2. Rimac Nevera electric vs Audi RS 3 comparison

    Rimac Nevera

    1900 hp 4 electric motors

    4500 lb.

    1/4 mile 8.6 seconds

    0 to 60 2.08 seconds

    $2.8 million

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4orCB71BgY

    Audi RS 3

    A brand name new Audi RS 3 starts off at a base price of $56,200 in the USA, MSRP.
    You can buy and tune an RS 3 for less then a tesla plaid or a lot of other supercars, hypercars and it is quicker

    one gas engine 1100 hp

    3000 lb

    this RS 3 ran an 8.4 second quarter mile.

    0 to 60 1.3 seconds.

  3. many of the above comments are mute because in the old days agenda 21 and the great reset were not fully being implemented as they are now.

    for instance : there will not be enough power. there may be when the population is reduced to the 50 to 100 million that the Deagle website is predicting in 5 to 10 years.

    Also price reductions wont happen because of lack of ability to mass, mass produce because of lack of population to buy much. Remember Klaus Scwhab of the WEF’s pronouncment of you will own nothing and be happy.

    “free” energy has been here for many years but as deceased Ben Rich ( i think thats the correct name) of Lockheed skunkworks said before his death ” we hav the tech (like in star trek) to go to the stars but prying it out of the hands of the black projects controllers will take an act of god to paraphrase him!

    Nothing is going to get cheaper! How do you think our ruling psychopaths are gonna make you own nothing and Be happy? make everything unaffordable and, depopulating under the guise of caring for you and the phony global warming scam, covid, coming food shortages etc!

    Ever Hear of guys like stanley meyers? one of many who hav made cars run on water?

    time to get thinking and tinkering my friends! did not Nikola Tesla invent a car that ran off the “ether”, “the sea of energy which surrounds us” which Einstein admitted before he died did exist.

    In early 2000’s i read in a MIT tech review magazine that even V8 pickup trucks could be made to get 40 mpg by just taking out gear driven camshafts and other similar things and having them electronic controlled. So where is it?

    By the way read the book internal combustion by —– black i believeand see how electric vehicles and trolley systems in the US were destroyed by the machinations of tire co’s , internal combustion auto co’s.

    personally i hav nothing against EV’s. I grew up building motor bikes (lawn mower engines on stingray frames with pulleys from washing machines etc to riding my favorite RM125 suzuki motocross bike awesome to two honda motorcycles loved them all and hope to do it again in my next life:-) ). the real good tech is always withheld from us. for instance in the last twenty years I hav seen breakthrough after breakthrough in solar cell tech bringing the efficiency way over the seemingly locked in 20 to 25% but they never ever reach the market. i wonder why. did not something similar happen with the original battery tech for the chevy volt get bought up by an oil co and disappear?

    And to all those who think its the dems or repubs, wakeup! its a con game. Two heads of the same snake!

    who runs owns this country? the Bankers, corporations and super wealthy!

    Ever hear of ALEC , american legislative exchange council? a always changing group of corporations who write most laws that are presented as created by “our” (ha) representatives? who do you think these 1000’s of laws written all over the country benefit? you me or the super rich and corps the writers represent? ever notice how the exact same laws go around the country?

    by the way i’m as leftist as they come and i believe in gun ownership, peakoil being a lie as oil is abiotic, man made global warming (AGW) is a globalist scam (see the club of rome first global revolution). As a matter of fact all these things are globalist scams to bring in world totalitarian govt. see agenda 21 and read about The Great Reset both of which you r living through right now and which will succeed if there is no resistance!

    • did not Nikola Tesla invent a car that ran off the “ether”, “the sea of energy which surrounds us” which Einstein admitted before he died did exist.

      there was a story Tesla built a huge transmission tower to give out free electricity, when the authorities/big corporations found out they ripped it down, now everybody pays…

      • The idea was if you could convert electricity to the right frequency you could transmit it through the air like radio waves, a transmitter on one end and a receiver on the other end, no batteries needed, then electric cars make more sense. the story was Tesla had a car like that, no batteries, just an antenna on the car, the theory is the people in power/big corporations suppressed a lot of his work because it interfered with their plans to rob the public, Tesla wanted to for instance give away free electricity.

    • Hi Anon,

      You raise an intriguing possibility that had not occurred to me before – regarding EVs “working” in a greatly reduced population scenario. Then the problems of generating capacity and of limited resources for batteries are no longer problems.

      Wow.

    • The quickest cars in the world are mostly hybrid now, like F1 and the Porsche 919 Evo hybrid, on two tracks the VW ID R electric is quickest, in drag racing like AA fuel gas ice engines dominate, there will be no 12,000 hp electric dragsters.

  4. Another problem with teslas, they are poorly engineered, there is a very unsettling verticle movement when driving down the road at speed where there is bumps, this gives people motion sickness, they should come with aircraft type barf bags.
    Another problem, they are unstable, all over the road at high speed and the brakes are horrible. The residual value of a tesla after 10 years is zero.

    If you must buy an EV, buy a Porsche Taycan, they are properly engineered. The residual value of a Taycan after 10 years will not be zero, even if the battery is dead, Porsche has one of the highest resale values, buy the Porsche.

  5. EV’s? what a joke…….another problem….

    Tesla Owners Have “Buyers Remorse” As Cold Weather Knocks Out Heat

    https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/tesla-owners-have-buyers-remorse-cold-weather-knocks-out-heat

    Kelly Gibbons, who owns a 2022 Model 3, told CTV, “one day when it was -12°C in the cabin, I was just shivering, and seems like the only fix that I can get is if I pull over at the side of the highway.”
    Other drivers have complained about failing heat pumps. People are tweeting images of their dashboard that show an alert that reads, “Cabin climate control system requires service — Cabin heating/cooling limited or unavailable.”

    in a few years these EV abortions will be the only vehicle available

    from zh comments

    Leave it to Tesla to omit emergency resistive heating, unlike every residential heat pump system on Earth

    Heat pumps don’t work well below around 20 degrees. Heat pumps are nothing new and this limitation has been known for decades.

    cheap diesel heaters are available online

    All Tesla owners believe that the globe is warming. Just sit on the side of the road and wait.

    More than 100 years ago Nikola tried pushing for electric vehicles, and it was found to not be a viable reliable means of transportation…

  6. The big problem is the fact “new technology” that out performs the power, mobility & price of a gallon of gas does not exist today! The powers at be are forcing us to move to an over priced technology that has many limitations which most of us can’t afford! I question what is going to happen to all these Teslas after 8 years when the battery pack won’t hold a charge? Am I going to shell out $22K for a new batt? F no!!! I will be extremely pissed that I have to buy a new car! I like my cars to last 15 years and take long road trips! EVs are status-fad cars today and I want no part of it! When the new technology finally arrives, I will be first inline!

  7. I am 62, raised on Smokey and the Bandit, Sammy Hagar’s I Can’t Drive 55, and the Cannonball Run. I love petrol cars. Sadly I have some to realize the future is electric. Instant traction control, torque vectoring, regenerative braking, AWD and POWER. Massive POWER.

    I weep because all this will coincide with of GPS tracking, real-time satellite disabling if you are “suspected of a crime” and much more than Orwell could have imagined. Even petrol cars will have these dreaded Police State features.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4orCB71BgY

    • Hi Graham,

      “Sadly I have some to realize the future is electric.”

      The problem with this – for openers – is that electric is unaffordable. I keep hearing about reduction in cost. Well, what we have is a $30k entry point for EVs like the base trim Leaf that are no quicker than average four cylinder crossover and which cost easily $10k more than an otherwise comparable non-electric economy car of the same size, etc.

      The massive power you speak of is only available to those who can afford to spend $50k-up. Which means most people cannot afford the massive power. The grid is alos not able to support this massive power.

      The affluent elites will, of course, be able to afford it.

      • “The future” is not now. We are just beginning to see it come into view. Costs will come down. And, regrettably the gov’t will play favorites and penalize one while favoring another. But lest we think this is anything new, the gov’t has been doing this since the railroads, since US Steel, since the adoption of AC as the electrical standard, since Ma Bell. When it breaks up one of its favored spawn like Ma Bell, it only does so because more money is to be made elsewhere. The “future” is still coming. A decade ago the only thing electric was lead-acid batteries in golf carts.

        • Hi Graham,

          I don’t dispute the point that you are making, but one cannot force the sale of things that nobody wants. Your mention of Ma Bell is a perfect example of this. Ma Bell was the Bell Telephone Company, then AT&T. The government felt a monopoly was taking place, so they decided to break them apart into small entities (PacTel, Southwest Bell, US West, etc.).

          It has now been 38 years and who still remains…Verizon (the original C&P Telephone) and AT&T. The MCIs, US West, Lucent, etc. have all come and gone. The big two have bought them up and spit them out. We are back to Ma Bell. The government break did nothing except mess with the free market.

          I view electric cars the same way. They are a fad. Everyone wants one now since the government is offering $5K, 7K, $12K in tax credits. How well would they sell without government intervening? Tesla wouldn’t be the golden child that he is without government life support.

          Once the tax credits and government teat are wrung dry so will the sale of the electric car.

          • Costs will come down. They always do. Air travel used to be only for the “jet-set”. Now everyone flies. Cars used to have crank windows, only Cadilacs and Lincolns had electric. Now every car does. I lament the passing of the petrol era. I know this is all a charade as electricity is mostly generated via “fossil fuel” generation. [I believe in “abiosis” BTW] The Powers That Be have placed their bets. Just like they did on which railroad would be favored, which form of electricity [AC or DC] would be used, just like they did with US Steel and like they always do. Facts, physics, economics do not enter into the equation. We are talking about people who believe a person with a penis can be a woman. For them, perception is reality. It took 70yrs for communism to reduce Russia to economic ruin. We look to be in store for the same. The Federal Reserve has perpetuated their scam FAR FAR longer than any sane thinking goldbug would have ever thought. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to be implemented. And it most certainly will be.

            • Hi Graham,

              While that is generally true – about costs coming down – EVs are different, because of the cost of battery packs. I have been covering this business since the ’90s and while battery performance has increased, cost has not come down appreciably. It will not, either, absent a totally different type of battery chemistry. The materials involved are rare/pricey – and required in enormous quantity, per car.

              I hear the word “sustainable” bandied around a lot – about EVs. Nothing could be further from the truth.

            • The cost of flying came down drastically once the government removed restrictions. You can read all about it here:
              https://airandspace.si.edu/stories/editorial/airline-deregulation-when-everything-changed

              Same thing happened with the trucking industry back in Carter’s term. Funny how after the gov gets out of the way costs of things go down.

              Think about health care. Costs are always going up except for plastic surgery and laser eye surgery both of which are unregulated and voluntary.

        • Hi Graham,

          What we’re seeing is something being forced into existence; this is undeniable. Also – I’ve been “seeing” this for going on 30 years. I’ve been covering the car business since the early ’90s and I’m one of the few people commenting about EVs who has actually driven EVs like the GM Impact and the Ford Ecostar (“hot” sodium-sulfur battery) as well as many new ones. The cost is still absurd – from any economic point-of-view. One can buy a basic non-electric economy car for $15k that has twice the range of a $30k electric car such as the Nissan Leaf or Chevy Bolt and doesn’t need a minimum of 30-45 minutes to partially “fast” charge. More absurdity. EVs present a regression of mobility – and an increase in its cost.

          Tell me how this is a good thing for the average person?

          • Tell me how this is a good thing for the average person?

            I previously addressed this… “The Powers That Be have placed their bets. Just like they did on which railroad would be favored, which form of electricity [AC or DC] would be used, just like they did with US Steel and like they always do. Facts, physics, economics do not enter into the equation. We are talking about people who believe a person with a penis can be a woman. For them, perception is reality. It took 70yrs for communism to reduce Russia to economic ruin. We look to be in store for the same. The Federal Reserve has perpetuated their scam FAR FAR longer than any sane thinking goldbug would have ever thought. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to be implemented. And it most certainly will be.”

            That said, humans are remarkable creatures. Look at what has been built and developed during the age of fiat currency plundering by international banksters? So, despite the physical challenges, economic realities and pilfering from crony politicians, I predict, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, that EVs will be brought within the economic reach of the average man. If it takes a new type of battery, a geological find of rich lithium deposits, or whatever, EVs will happen. Think of what it took for our beloved petrol cars to come into being. It took decades for oil to be refined on a mass scale, while steel foundries went from crude furnaces to robotically controlled oxygen fed industrial plants that control every variable with precision, while shipping costs came down to the point where a part made in Germany competes with a part made in Asia… so much had to happen over several decades in order to bring about our beloved muscle cars from the 60s. And all that was DESPITE gov’t meddling in the steel and petroleum markets, not to mention tariffs and shipping. So what is to say that man, being the remarkable creature that he is, won’t circumnavigate around similar physical and economic challenges in the pursuit of EVs?

            • You are absolutely right it will take a miracle. As long as you believe in the miracle it will happen. It will. Faith is a wonderful thing. Super batteries, new sources of raw material. Fusion power.

            • Hi Graham,

              It’s a false equivalence to compare gas-burning and electric cars. The former arose on merit; the latter died off because of demerits. They – EVs – are being resurrected on the merits… of eliminating private car ownership for the masses. I know this is a hard one to swallow. But look at the facts. Consider the evidence. Note what modern EVs are designed for. Pay attention to what is being said – openly – about automation and “transportation as a service.”

              • Indeed the future is dim in the short run. We are debating whether or not it will happen and what role EVs will play. I see them playing a major role. I also see man as being liberated from the immediate dystopian future, which may come to pass worse than either of us, or Orwell, could imagine. We could see another 70 years of full on communism, complete with mass genocidal purges and gulags, but then another day dawns as it has in Russia. I know this might offend your libertarian ideals but the sodomite movement is NOT a virtuous one and places such as Russia, Poland, Hungary are at the forefront of fighting the sodomite madness. There is more light in these formerly dark communist nations than there is in the entire low birthrate West that is being overrun with heathen hordes. Those same nations have high birth rates of their own genetic stock. The US and Europe are seeing our genetic stock decimated and diluted. Demographics is the future. Want to see the future of the US, it is Latino. Want to see the future of Europe, it is Muslim. Heck, even London has a Muslim mayor. It should be unthinkable but that is how far we have swallowed the multiculturalism lie. Nevertheless, post tenebras lux.

                • Hi Graham,

                  There are many assumptions here that are almost never dealt with. One of the biggest is not the EV, itself. It is where all the power/generating capacity will come from to power it – and how that power will be made conveniently available. I wrote a couple weeks ago about the fact that very few – almost no – private homes have electrical panels/wiring capable of “fast” charging an EV; that there is no existing infrastructure to transmit the massive current loads needed by a putative national fleet of EVs from the generating source to millions of private homes. That, indeed, there is no generating capacity – as such – to accommodate this and nothing realistic in the works to accommodate it.

                  That said, I agree with the thrust of your general observations regarding Russia, et al. They are not dying cultures. Ours is.

        • If they fix all these problems I might buy an EV……until then a 1913 Bugatti type 22 is better…

          Lots of problems with EV’s

          Worldwide 80% of electricity is produced by oil, gas and coal. electric cars aren’t zero emission they are remote emission. In China most teslas are coal powered.

          The new gas powered cars run so clean they have very very low emissions, very close to zero like .00001% contaminants. The exhaust coming out of a modern diesel is cleaner then the air in a big city. ICE engines will be banned because they are not zero emission, .00001% contaminants is too high, this is leftist insanity.

          EV’s pollute more
          NOTE: The biggest pollutant emitted from new cars because they have so low emissions are from tires wearing out while driving, tire particles.
          ATTENTION: Electric cars weigh 50% more than gas powered cars so have higher tire wear, so EV’s pollute more.

          ATTENTION: Only 5% of electric car batteries are recycled, a huge pollution problem.

          In their entire life cycle including manufacturing, electric cars in total pollute far more than gas powered cars, people don’t seem to understand that the vast majority of a car’s carbon footprint is made during manufacture and scrapping. Running the car, not so much. EV’s pollute far more, the leftists lied to you.

          Most electric cars are designed as performance cars so they use far more energy and resources than they should. (the government regulations don’t allow the manufacture of small light electric cars which would make more sense, china does).

          Recharging costs:
          The grid can’t handle large numbers of electric cars recharging, if all cars are electric the grid capacity has to be increased 500%. There is already power shortages, blackouts in many countries with electricity costs rapidly rising, when electricity prices go up 400% your old ice vehicle will look cheap to run.

          Open pit lithium mining for battery manufacture, often done with child slave labour, is worse then tar sands mining.

          The biggest problem…….EV fires:
          Enormous amounts of water are required: tactically, this may mean using a master stream, 2½-inch or multiple 1¾-inch fire lines, to suppress and cool the fire. Vehicle fires don’t typically call for surround-and-drown tactics, but these are not typical vehicle fires. so you need multiple fire trucks to put out the fire, this is insanity.

          One example: the flames on the Tesla were extinguished, it reignited again. Firefighters began hosing it down with copious amounts of water, up to 200 gallons per minute, but “that did not extinguish the flames,” according to the NTSB. At approximately 9:13 p.m., nearly three hours after the first alarm was received, firefighters had to pour out more than 600 gallons of water per minute. In the end the agency used 20,000 gallons of water. these should be banned from the road…..

          Then the fire still isn’t put out……..Batteries can be expected to reignite after being put out because they still have stored energy. 15 hours later it catches fire again…
          “Battery fires can take up to 24 hours to extinguish”….. the vehicle must be parked under “quarantine” for 48 hours, so that no new fire can break out.
          Batteries are difficult to extinguish, and they can burst into flames again several hours later –ATTENTION: in some cases, right up to a week later
          ……… and they allow people to buy these abortions.

          ATTENTION: EV’s can’t replace ICV’s because………global capacity for the materials for EV batteries can’t replace even 3% of fossil fuel vehicles.

          Electric cars are expensive, they are only for the rich, but they are heavily subsidized by the government with taxpayer’s money, including taxes from the poor, the poor subsidizing the rich. the poor can walk. electric cars, toys for the rich.

          NOTE: The first people to buy electric cars were the most sold on the idea, the biggest believers, 20% of them are switching back to ice powered cars because of the inconvenience factor, the charging time hassle.

          Another problem EV shares with new ice powered vehicles: Electronic components have a limited life, even if you do not use them. It’s the nature of the P-N junction that forms a transistor.

          So the new electric vehicles like the new computerized ice vehicles will have a limited lifespan, when these electronics fail the car will be scrap, too expensive to fix, more recycling and waste. Only buy cars with no computers.

          A 1913 Bugatti type 22 is 108 years old and daily driven. A Tesla is scrap after 10 years.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVl3cEkSSo0

          But mechanical systems, like Jay Leno’s 1832 steam engine can last for centuries, get a steam powered car, they run on wood.
          Steam powered cars have the same advantage as electric cars, instant torque.

      • And one other thing… I cannot live without my Valentine One and JB-V1 GPS aap running along side Waze. So I’m old school but transitioning through gritted teeth to the future.

        • EV’s are dead, no emotion, you can’t hear them, smell them or feel them, very boring, the government loves them because they aren’t fun, fun is illegal.

          Get the most exciting car, built for fun only……..

          One of my favorite Super 7 clones the HKT RS Clubsport, only $80,000, quicker to 125 mph then a Porsche GT2 RS, which is one of the world’s quickest street legal cars.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBrzpayx-zw

          • Hi Anon,

            Yup. Even if an EV is much quicker than a non-electric car, there is a deadness to them. Acceleration – alone – is not everything. If it is all there is, there’s nothing else to prompt an emotional reaction. It thus becomes a numbers game. This one gets to 60 in 3.9 while that one gets there in 2.9. What happens when they all get there in 2.9?

            They’re all the same. So why not have just one Universal Transportation Appliance, in various sizes and colors?

            Why even bother?

            • As the villain (Syndro) in the 2004 movie, “The Incredibles” put it, “When ‘everyone’ is ‘super’…NO ONE is.”

    • Electric cars aren’t that quick, the ones that are quicker than a gas engine car usually have multiple motors.
      A gas engine car with two engines is faster then the electric cars with three motors.
      This dual engine Golf is quicker than a tesla plaid with three motors, and it sounds better.
      This dual engine Golf makes 1600 hp a tesla plaid with three motors only makes 1006 hp.

      Tesla’s aren’t fast in regular modes, to get into ludicrous mode you have to hunt through many menus then condition the batteries for 20 minutes, meanwhile the Porsche turbo you were trying to race at the stoplight is 30 miles down the road.

      Get a Porsche Taycan it can drag race anytime, immediately, all day long because it has 800 volt batteries, tesla only has 400 volt batteries. 400 volts is a bad design.

      The next problem is teslas are only fast up to 120 mph, then they are done. At high speed the tesla is very unstable, all over the road and has bad brakes.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKpFHEqO4w

      • you don’t need all that high tech electronic junk and 5000 lb tesla whales here is why…..

        Here is a super 7 (a 1957 design) with an ice engine that is quicker then the plaid and all the hypercars in the 1/4 mile, it was the quickest kit car in the world.

        Dutton Super 7 clone with SBC V8 434ci, 1600 lb, steel tube frame, fibreglass body, it has run a best 8.90 sec 1/4 mile, this is how a car should be, small, light, agile, fast, no frills, mechanical art made to go fast only, no luxury, no doors or roof, some have no windshield, nothing extra, it is quicker then all the hypercars and the tesla plaid.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn2lHb7N3uQ

        • Indeed, Anon –

          And those Super 7s aren’t gimped by idiotically long “recharge” sessions nor do you have to plan your life around their range.

      • I’ll just leave this here…

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=loUsRGW9z-I

        Enjoy!

        I’ve owned and driven quite a few fast cars. Owned a couple Porsches, an M Roadster (Z3, not 4), 2 Vettes, and driven others. The Tesla isn’t fun like driving a MR2 Spyder on a closed track. You can’t just break it loose at will and get it sideways. It is fun though. It’s not just straight-line acceleration fun either. It literally handles like it’s on rails.

        I’ve never been able to afford a Supercar. No Ferrari for me. I’ve never even driven one, although I did do a ride along at Homestead Raceway on the road race track. I can’t compare the Tesla to a Lamborghini or an Aston Martin. I can afford a Tesla though, and so can lots of people.

        All cars were toys of the rich when they first came around. Henry Ford made them affordable. No one was ever forced to buy one. No one will be forced to buy an electric car either, and chances are they’ll become more and more affordable. I hope we’ll be able to keep driving gas cars, and I’m sure that back in the day people hoped they’d be able to keep driving horse buggys. In fact, I saw people driving horse buggys last year in Amish country, so I guess it worked out.

        Most people who rag on Teslas have never driven one. Are they perfect? No way. Would I buy another? Ours is my wife’s car. I drive a diesel dually. She will absolutely buy another Tesla, assuming nothing changes between now and the time her car gets replaced. I won’t buy one for myself, but I’m happy to drive hers occasionally. By the way, I hopefully won’t buy another dually. I’ll probably stick with a one ton diesel truck, but I’d really like single rear wheels.

        • Sorry Eric, I thought my phone was glitching and edited my comment in order to post it. It ended up being a duplicate. Feel free to delete.

        • Hi Ron,

          In re:

          “…No one will be forced to buy an electric car either.”

          This is true only if you posit the following alternatives:

          Are able to afford to buy one the rapidly diminishing handful of what will soon become very expensive non-electric cars which the manufacturers are still able to offer. Biden’s latest decree (regarding 50 MPG mandatory MPG minimums) plus the regs on deck which will demand close to “zero” (if not actually zero) “emissions” of C02 will see to this.

          Are allowed to continue driving the non-electric car you currently own. This assumes the government will not apply extortionate “polluter pays” registration and similar taxes – as well as punitive gas taxes – and that you are not debarred from driving the non-EV on “public” roads. All of these measures are already being applied here and there, to one degree or another.

          Walk.

          • “Walk.”

            …so you’ve completely given up on the horse buggy?

            I’m not saying it’d be impossible for ‘our rulers’ to prematurely force us into an underdeveloped technology. I am saying it’s unlikely. In the past, they’ve always found a way to stretch the date, in order to not appear as if they’ve failed.

            In my view, they’re on very shaky ground as it is. Their whole grift is crumbling around them. That’s why they’re making such a big deal over Jan.6. Notice it wasn’t just democrats crying about this. They’re afraid. All of them.

            So maybe they succeed in crushing us, or maybe the people rise up and take their freedom back. I don’t know.

            I read an essay on LRC years ago. I haven’t been able to find it for quite some time, but I’ll paraphrase the final paragraph…

            Some people don’t want the system to be crushed, because they’re afraid what comes to fill the void may be worse. I’m willing to take a chance.

            Maybe we’ll live long enough to see real change.

            • Hi Ron,

              I suppose I could get a horse as I have the land for one!

              Seriously, though: The main obnoxiousness with regard to EVs is one prompted by government, which created a perverse incentive to design and build subsidized exotic performance cars that happen to be electric. If the market were left free to operate, EV design parameters might have focused on designing a car that cost less to own and which was more practical to own than a combustion-engined car. That’s something I’d cheer, happily!

        • Hi Ron,

          In re: “All cars were toys of the rich when they first came around. Henry Ford made them affordable.”

          Yes, but they quickly became mass-market cars; EVs remain toys of the rich. Which is fine, as such – except we’re forced to subsidize these toys and listen to obnoxious virtue-signaling regarding these toys of the affluent.

          In re:

          “I hope we’ll be able to keep driving gas cars, and I’m sure that back in the day people hoped they’d be able to keep driving horse buggys. In fact, I saw people driving horse buggys last year in Amish country, so I guess it worked out.”

          This is the stock argument proffered by EV defenders; it is an effort to draw a supposed equivalence between the first internal combustion-powered cars and electric cars. The relevant comparison is between the first internal combustion-powered cars and the first electric cars – and horses and buggies.

          The first IC cars were superior to the horse and buggy; they increased mobility for the average person. EVS – then as now – were inferior. They decrease mobility – and increase cost.

          These are not debatable points. Now, things may change. I grant that. But I have seen zero evidence they will. And it is telling that EVs have to be sold – not on their superior cost-efficiency or versatility or any other practical consideration but rather on the basis of their speed and tech. Which – again – is fine. But we don’t pay people to buy Porsches and Porsche drivers don’t pretend they are saving the planet.

          PS: I’ve driven most electric cars made since the ’90s. The immediate torque is impressive but it gets old and boring after awhile. They all feel the same, which is dead – lifeless things, with all the personality of a toaster.

          My old muscle car isn’t as quick through the quarter as your Tesla – but I guarantee it’d make more of an impression!

          • I don’t understand how I was paid to buy a Tesla. Please enlighten me. I’m just a bricklayer, so you may have to use simple language so I can understand.

            The tech is what sold us on the car. The speed was a bonus. I never claimed I was saving the planet. I have a boat with a 250 horse power 2 stroke engine. I drive an 8,500 pound truck. I’m about to purchase a side by side that will definitely have a high performance gas engine. No one is virtue signaling here. When I pull my camper, which I did though 22 states last year, I average 7.5 mpg.

            I thought my horse buggy argument was original. Oh well.

            • Hi Ron,

              People who “buy” EVs are actually receiving stolen goods. Elon makes money, chiefly, from extortion – the sale of “carbon credits,” which subsidizes his operation. Also from artificially-induced stock valuation – which is almost entirely based upon the mandates that are creating a “market” for EVs. In the manner of the “market” for health (and car) insurance. All of them being mafias, per my article today.

              To be clear: I have no issue with EVs, as such. But it’s grotesque the way they’re being pushed (and supported) by government, which forces all of us to subsidize these things, via the taxes we pay that are used to subsidize them.

              It’s frustrating that this whole business has been perverted by government and supported by nonsense – “climate change” salvation, etc.

              But the signal fact remains that EVs – as they are – are monstrous creations of government rent-seeking. A Bugatti Veyron is “ludicrous,” too – to borrow a term. But it’s cool, because it wasn’t created artificially and its existence doesn’t come at the expense of those who cannot afford one.

              • Well, with the amount of taxes I’ve paid over the years, as a business owner and as a regular worker, along with the fact that I’ve bought 3 IC trucks since 2017, I must’ve stolen my own money back.

                I didn’t realize you had another article up. I’ll go read it.

          • My neighbor finished a frame up restoration on a ‘69 Camaro SS last year. As far as my eyes can see, the car is perfect. I know he spent around $80k on it, and did the majority of the labor himself. The car is spectacular, and I’d love to own it. I don’t know what it’s worth, but I do know that unlike any vehicle I own, the value of it will increase.

            I don’t have the patience to do something like that. I don’t love cars enough to invest that much of my life into one. I do think they can be fun, but I mostly think of them as tools. I’m not looking for personality in my vehicles. I want utility and reliability.

            I also don’t buy cars as an investment, which seems to be a trend now in my area of the country. I don’t care if my car lasts 20 years. I’ll probably replace it before the warranty expires.

            Maybe that’s why we disagree about Tesla.

            • Hi Ron,

              I’m not a Harley guy – though I own several bikes and love motorcycles. Harleys just don’t do it for me. I feel the same about Teslas – and EVs, generally. But that is just a matter of personal taste; there is no “right” or “wrong” as regards that- as such. But Harleys aren’t being force-fed to the “market” – by using regulations and other artifices of government to force Kawasakis and Hondas off the market. If that were happening, I would loathe Harleys – and Harley Davidson.

              It’s why I feel that way about Teslas – and Tesla.

              • I hate to break it to you but that is exactly the history of Harley Davidson. In the 80s, they were bailed out by the U.S. government and tariffs were placed on any Japanese bike over 700cc. So the survival of HD and its existence today is due to the gov’t forcing people to find HD. It’s well known history and that is why I say the gov’t will do it again with EVs. They have made their intentions known.

              • I hate to break it to you but that is exactly the history of Harley Davidson. In the 80s, they were bailed out by the U.S. government and tariffs were placed on any Japanese bike over 700cc. So the survival of HD and its existence today is due to the gov’t forcing people to fund HD. It’s well known history and that is why I say the gov’t will do it again with EVs. They have made their intentions known.

              • I agree about Harleys, although as I age they’re starting to become a little more attractive. I wouldn’t mind owning one of the new retro style bikes they’ve been selling recently. I really like the new Triumph Bonneville, and saw a Yamaha the other day that I thought was the best ‘70s restoration ever, only to find out it was 2 weeks old.

                I grew up on mostly 2 stroke dirt bikes, other than an old Honda XR75 which was a 4 stroke. My last dirt bike was a YZ250, which I hurt myself bad enough on to learn to fear it. Now, all the dirt bikes are 4 stroke. My buddy still rides. I told him I thought it was terrible that the government regulations had forced all the manufacturers to switch. He says it’s the best thing that could’ve happened to the sport, and that the bikes are so much more fun to ride now.

                Almost all outboard boat engines used to be 2 stroke. My boat still has a 2 stroke engine on it. Around 2003 government regulations made almost all of the manufacturers switch to 4 stroke motors. Evinrude held out, and continued to build low emission 2 stroke motors. Nobody wanted them. BRP, the parent company of Evinrude stopped outboard production at the end of 2019.

                Honestly, I think 4 stroke outboards are the best thing that happened to the marine market. They really aren’t any more expensive, when adjusted for inflation, than the 2 strokes were, and they’re more reliable, quieter, and seem to attract fish to the boat better. When I’m done with this trip I’m on (we are traveling for 2-3 years) I’ll repower with a 4 stroke. I’ll get next to nothing for my perfectly good 2003 Yamaha 2 stroke, because nobody wants it.

                Obviously, government interference in markets can be a bad deal. Occasionally good happens too.

                I think it took more than 20 years for the first cars to progress from exotic toys of the rich into transportation for the masses. I’m not sure the early cars made anyone more mobile than horses did at the time. I’m sure it took a good amount of time to develop the infrastructure (Roads-filling stations) needed to make travel by automobile convenient and affordable. I assume the cost of driving an EV will come down, and that the infrastructure needed (charging stations) will improve.

                I believe that owning an IC car probably will be an expensive proposition in the future. Owning a horse now is extremely expensive. It may be a fun way to get around, and your ‘vehicle’ would certainly have more personality than a Honda Civic, but it’s just too expensive for most people. The people I know who own horses, are all much richer than I am.

                As far as the government putting punitive taxes on gasoline, in some states they’re already charging extra for registration on EVs. They’ve figured out they don’t get the gas tax money from them, and have had to come up with ways to cover the shortfall.

          • How much does an R8 cost? How much does any car in that class cost? I couldn’t afford one of those cars without seriously impacting my lifestyle. The Plaid would be a stretch, but I could do it. I won’t though, but like a new corvette, it’s an attainable supercar. The R8 isn’t.

            Note. My wife would buy the Plaid, I’d buy the Vette.

            • Hi Ron,

              And this is why I love my sport bike! For less than $10k, brand-new, I own a bike that is quicker than almost anything on four wheels shy of a Bugatti Veyron. Ten seconds through the quarter-mile, less than 3 seconds to 60 and 170-plus on top.

              It also averages about 40 MPG….

              • The point is, it was YOUR $10K for that sports bike, made and sold by a company w/o undue interference in the marketplace, for whatever reason(s) you deemed fit.

              • Agreed. Unfortunately in Florida these days, it seems that almost 80% of drivers are focused on their phones, rather than the road. I sit higher than most of them, so I see them. Fast bikes aren’t really survivable here anymore. (I’m traveling, but currently in the Florida Keys, which is why I say “here.”)

            • you can buy a used R8 and twin turbo it for close to the same price as a plaid, but after ten years the R8 is still worth $170,000, or more likely far more then that, because it is collectible, unique, fast, very very high quality, beautiful engineering. after ten years the tesla residual value is zero, so the tesla cost $170,000 more then the R8.
              remember depreciation is the biggest cost in a car.

              • Lol! Are you trolling, or do you actually believe your own BS? You are literally making stuff up as you type it. You can buy a brand new Plaid right now, today for under $130,000.

                https://www.tesla.com/models/design#overview

                Teslas, even old ones, have some of the best resale values on the market.

                https://insideevs.com/news/560369/tesla-models-ridiculous-resale-value/

                Did you know that the R8 has a Lamborghini Gallardo 10 cylinder in it? Do you realize that an oil change on that car can run over $800?

                How much do you think you’d pay for a clapped out R8 with 150,000 miles on it, knowing how much repair and maintenance costs will be on it? More than $35k? If so, you’re out of your mind (which appears to be something we’ve already established anyway.)

                Oh, almost forgot, the brakes are terrible. Yeah, ‘cause everyone hates Brembos.

                People who buy supercars don’t drive them. They pay someone to come wash them once a week. Miles are too expensive on those cars. Look at the used market, and see how many 5 year old supercars have less than 2,000 miles on them. You’ll be amazed.

                • Lol! Are you trolling, or do you actually believe your own BS? You are literally making stuff up as you type it. You can buy a brand new Plaid right now, today for under $130,000.

                  hey piss off idiot…

                  the one search I did came up with this…
                  This latest pricing, which is published on Tesla Australia’s website, also now includes the Tesla Model S Plaid at $224,580 plus ORCs, confirming a sub-$250K starting point for the supercar-rivalling triple-motor hyper-sedan that can be ordered ahead of first deliveries occurring late next year.

                  https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/tesla-model-s-prices-slashed-126884/

                  my mistake the U.S. price is lower $130,000

                  • You must be paying a 100% VAT in Australia then. The link I gave you was to Tesla’s site. You can click the button right now and buy it directly from Tesla for just shy of $130,000 US.

                    You shouldn’t be driving anyway. You should be in your house hiding from covid? I thought that’s what you Aussies do.

                • these guys tested the tesla, they say the brakes are horrible, it weighs 5000 lb so no wonder…

                  plaid slow in normal modes @ 11:30 in video
                  it takes too long to get into ludicrous mode, 20 minutes to condition the battery, so it is useless.
                  two other problems with the tesla, very bad brakes, it is only fast up to 120 mph.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpC_AoSnPrQ

                  • You’ve never even driven a Tesla, and are trying to pretend you know something about them. Post a video of your R8 and your Dutton Super 7 clone on YouTube and give us the link, then I’ll do the same with my Tesla and my dually. Make sure you open the doors and sit inside while filming, so we know it’s not some guy down the street’s car. Mention Eric Peters Autos in the video.

                    Until then, STFU, and quit spamming the thread with gibberish.

                • R8 has a Lamborghini Gallardo 10 cylinder, it is one of the best engines on the planet, when they turbocharged it they didn’t have to change any internals, it is very strong.

                  The Audi is well engineered and high quality not cheap junk that only lasts ten years like the tesla.

                  you are clueless you know nothing about cars.

                • you are clueless, know nothing about cars, we already established that

                  Teslas, even old ones, have some of the best resale values on the market.

                  haha you are pretty funny…..

                  Tesla Model S price $94,000 new, residual value after 9 years if battery dead zero $.0.00…. one battery used up, battery replacement cost $20,000, = residual value = zero

                • Tesla Model S price $94,000 new, residual value after 10 years = $19,800 if battery dead zero $.0.00…. one battery used up, battery replacement cost $20,000, = residual value = zero

                  Tesla Model plaid price $130,000 new, residual value after 10 years = $27,000 if battery dead = $7,000 one battery used up, battery replacement cost $20,000, = residual value = $7,000.

                  in reality it will probably be worth nothing if it has just one other problem costing $7,000 to fix, in 10 years the electronics are probably defective, even in one year tesla screens were becoming defective, it has a very complicated cooling system that probably has issues, these cars had suspension parts breaking (because it weighs 5000 lb), whole plastic bumpers were falling off these within 2 years (there is more then $7,000 right there), if just one system is defective like a door not opening, it would be worth zero.

                  This is why a Porsche Taycan is a smarter purchase, the residual value won’t be zero after 10 years, it is far better engineered and has a better name.

                • looks like you are just making stuff up, out of your mind,…BSing…

                  quote…..You are literally making stuff up as you type it.,
                  you’re out of your mind (which appears to be something we’ve already established anyway.)
                  you’re proving yourself to be a clown.

                  Did you know that the R8 has a Lamborghini Gallardo 10 cylinder in it? Do you realize that an oil change on that car can run over $800?
                  do a search next time first……

                  $800 R8 oil change haha….

                  cost of oil change R8

                  2020 Audi R8
                  5.2L V10 • 6,000 miles
                  Rancho Palos Verdes
                  CA 90275
                  Apr 14, 2021
                  $100 – $122

                  2012 Audi R8
                  5.2L V10 Spyder • 15,000 miles
                  Burlingame
                  CA 94011
                  Apr 4, 2021
                  $94 – $114

                  2020 Audi R8
                  5.2L V10 • 12,000 miles
                  Chatsworth
                  CA 91311
                  Mar 4, 2021
                  $96 – $118

                  2011 Audi R8
                  5.2L V10 Spyder • 71,000 miles
                  Los Angeles
                  CA 90022
                  Feb 27, 2021
                  $104 – $127

                  2015 Audi R8
                  5.2L V10 Spyder • 40,000 miles
                  Lucerne Valley
                  CA 92356
                  Feb 2, 2021
                  $101 – $123

                  2012 Audi R8
                  5.2L V10 GT • 72,000 miles
                  Tustin
                  CA 92780
                  Oct 6, 2020
                  $97 – $119

                  2012 Audi R8
                  5.2L V10 Spyder • 33,000 miles
                  Lynwood
                  CA 90262
                  Oct 1, 2020
                  $102 – $124

                  2012 Audi R8
                  4.2L V8 Base • 12,000 miles
                  Anza
                  CA 92539
                  Sep 16, 2020
                  $84 – $102

                  https://www.repairsmith.com/i/estimates/common-car-repairs/oil-change/Audi/R8/

                  • Prices have really come down. Back in 2014 the price was $708 US.

                    https://www.r8talk.com/threads/oil-change-cost-v10.54065/

                    Or maybe your google search isn’t as accurate as an R8 owners thread.

                    Have you ever even seen an R8 that wasn’t on a YouTube video? You sure don’t seem to know much about them.

                    I paid $156 for an oil change on my Chevy truck last week, and you honestly believe it would cost less to do an oil change on a mid-engine supercar?

                    Post your video

                    • Hi Ron,

                      Oil changes are pretty democratic, assuming you can do the job yourself and assuming the car’s engine doesn’t need a hugely expensive/dealer-only oil filter. Top-of-the-line synthetic oil goes for about $10/quart, so assuming the usual 5-6 quarts about $70 for the oil and maybe another $15 for the filter, plus your labor (free). This reminds me – its about time to perform the once-annually oil change on the TA!

              • Tesla Model S price $94,000 new, residual value after 9 years if battery dead zero $.0.00…. one battery used up, battery replacement cost $20,000, = residual value = zero

                Mercedes $94,000 new, residual value after 9 years $23,000

                Mercedes: Fuel cost for 100,000 miles $16,000

                Tesla: Fuel cost for 100,000 miles: cost of electricity to recharge battery $10,000? cost of installing charger in home $10,000? Cost of time lost waiting for recharge @ $20 hr. = $20,000?

                Cost of depreciation plus fuel plus time lost charging for 9 years:

                Mercedes $87,000
                Tesla $134,000 not counting cost of time lost = $114,000

                • You’re proving yourself to be a clown. I put my Tesla charger in my garage. I had to wire it from the main panel. Cost of materials, including wire was less than $700. I spent a day on it, including going to the electrical supply. Labor was free. I did it in my free time.

                  You continue to make stuff up as you type.

                  I drive an Diesel truck. My wife drives a Tesla. When we aren’t traveling, the Tesla charges in the garage, and is ready to go at all times. She unplugs, drives all day, parks, plugs in, and wakes up with a car ready for another day.

                  She literally has zero time involved in charging.

                  I have to go to a gas station once a week or so. I usually spend at least 20 minutes driving there, getting lined up at the pump, and then pumping diesel. Many times I’ll get to a station that only has 2 or 4 pumps for diesel, and there will be people with gas cars at them because the diesel pumps are always on the ends. I’ll be stuck waiting in line.

                  I spend way more time refueling, and end up aggravated half of the time.

                  On top of that, there’s a product called Diesel Exhaust Fluid. This evil liquid was mandated by the EPA sometime around 2012 in all Diesel engines. Most normal gas stations don’t sell it, but my truck won’t run without it. You can get it at truck stops. The cool thing about truck stops, is they charge 40 or 50 cents extra per gallon for diesel, then give discounts and easy credit to truckers. They don’t do that for me. You can also buy it in big box stores, assuming you feel like making an extra trip. Buy what you need though. Sunlight and heat destroy it, so you can’t carry a bunch in the back of your truck. It also doesn’t age well, so storing it at all is questionable. Just for good measure, it’s mostly water, so it freezes. And finally, it’s corrosive if it gets on your paint which it always does. By the way, truck stop diesel nozzles won’t fit in a Mercedes fill tube.

                  … or you could plug in when you get home.

                  When the Model S first came out, it was around $70,000. That car with 150,000 miles on it now sells on average for $35,000. That was in the link I gave you above.

                  My electric bill went up around $40 per month when we bought the car. My wife’s job was a 54 mile round trip on I95. She drives the car for more than just work.

                  Using your numbers, the Mercedes guy got his ass handed to him. If his car is a diesel he’s had fun buying DEF for 9 years too.

                  • Tesla Model S price $94,000 new, residual value after 10 years = $20,000
                    if battery dead residual = zero $.0.00…. one battery used up,
                    battery replacement cost $20,000, = residual value = zero

                    Mercedes $94,000 new, residual value after 10 years $20,000

                    Mercedes: Fuel cost for 100,000 miles $16,000

                    Tesla: Fuel cost for 100,000 miles:
                    cost of electricity to recharge battery $10,000? you say $4800.
                    if you use super chargers away from your home the cost goes up.
                    cost of installing charger in home $10,000? you say $700….
                    most people can’t do that…
                    Cost of time lost waiting for recharge @ $20 hr. = $20,000? you say zero…..$0.0

                    Cost of depreciation plus fuel plus for 10 years:

                    Mercedes $90,000
                    Tesla $98,800

            • a duplicate of this super 7 can be built for far less then buying a tesla, the tesla is far too expensive….

              you don’t need all that high tech electronic junk and 5000 lb tesla whales here is why…..

              Here is a super 7 (a 1957 design) with an ice engine that is quicker then the plaid and all the hypercars in the 1/4 mile, it was the quickest kit car in the world.

              Dutton Super 7 clone with SBC V8 434ci, 1600 lb, steel tube frame, fibreglass body, it has run a best 8.90 sec 1/4 mile, this is how a car should be, small, light, agile, fast, no frills, mechanical art made to go fast only, no luxury, no doors or roof, some have no windshield, nothing extra, it is quicker then all the hypercars and the tesla plaid.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn2lHb7N3uQ

          • I roasted a guy in a 911 Turbo stoplight to stoplight 3 times in a row a few months ago. Not even in a Plaid. I was in a Model 3P. It doesn’t even have ludicrous mode. A Plaid in normal sort mode would’ve sent him back to the dealership to complain.

            • I should probably give a little more detail. We ran 3 times in short stoplight to stoplight runs. I’m doing 55 by the time I’m getting to the far side of a 4 lane intersection. I assume he’s just shifting into 2nd. On the 4th light we had more room. He came from behind, and showed me why he bought a twin turbo sports car. Then he turned into a gated community that looked like it was full of $5million houses.

              The thing is, he probably spent triple what I did. His car is definitely cooler and faster once it has room to find it’s legs. I was driving a 5 seater family sedan.

              I wonder if he told his buddies what happened.

              • Tesla’s are great at traffic lights that is where most racing is now anyways zero to 40 mph in cities, zero to 60 mph on highways, they are tough to beat, another advantage is they are quiet, stealth, so a tesla can take off from a light wide open and nobody notices, they are great if you like driving fast under the radar, if your car is loud you can be going half that speed and people will phone the police because of the noise. The big luxury BMW’s and Mercedes were a bit like that, very fast but very quiet, you could drive fast under the radar. A red Corvette or a Subaru STI with a big wing and a loud exhaust really attract cops.
                one car I own is a super 7, I haven’t had any problems with cops so far, I am very careful because it is loud when pushed, one cop walked past it on the street and said what is it? people seem to like the car, even cops, (it looks so different it is photographed a lot people are curious what it is, you get tired of explaining the history of the super 7), this is different then owning a Porsche or Ferrari, people don’t even want to look at your car, they might boost your ego, people think Porsche owners are old rich guys, which is near the truth. One advantage the super 7 has it is so small and low it can hide out in the traffic.

        • 0 to 60 1.3 seconds……..the tesla looks slow…

          that video of the tesla drag racing isn’t that impressive. that tesla has three motors. here is an ice powered car with only one engine that eats all the tesla plaids……….

          This 1300 hp audi only has one engine and it is quicker then the tesla plaid with three motors…..and sounds way nicer………

          https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a36328204/1300-hp-audi-r8-drag-car/?utm_campaign=socialflowR%26T&utm_medium=social-media&utm_source=facebook

        • Forget an expensive R8 just buy an Audi RS 3, one of the best sleeper cars sold today.

          A brand name new Audi RS 3 starts off at a base price of $56,200 in the USA, MSRP.
          You can buy and tune an RS 3 for less then a tesla plaid and it is quicker, this RS 3 ran an 8.4 second quarter mile.

          This RS 3 is a better solution then buying a 5000 lb. tesla plaid. ice cars are better then EV’s.
          The RS 3 you can actually hear, feel and smell, the sound of this thing is wild, EV’s are dead no emotion or fun.

          https://www.hotcars.com/worlds-fastest-audi-rs3-drag-races-ken-blocks-1400-hp-mustang-hoonicorn/

          • I don’t like the new cars, too big, heavy, too many computers, electronic junk, too isolated, but a tuned Audi RS 3 is one of the most desirable out of the new cars, VAG rules. EV’s forget it…..

          • A brand name new Audi RS 3 starts off at a base price of $56,200 in the USA, MSRP.
            You can buy and tune an RS 3 for less then a tesla plaid and all other super cars, hypercars, etc.., and it is quicker, this RS 3 ran an 8.4 second quarter mile.

            i kind of like this car, it is quicker then all the million dollar hypercars, is a sleeper and can carry luggage and people, this is one of the famous 5 cylinder turbo Audi engines, like the one in the Audi quattro rally cars, it is half of a Lamborghini V10 engine, turbocharged, it is so strong it is running 60lb. of boost.

            and the sound is insane, 5 cylinder engines have a unique sound…
            listen to the RS 3 at 2:55 in video….
            https://www.hotcars.com/worlds-fastest-audi-rs3-drag-races-ken-blocks-1400-hp-mustang-hoonicorn/

            • Here is the old Audi Quattro Sport rally car with the famous 5 cylinder turbo engine….

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60raig8Q4JY

              Now you can buy an Audi RS 3, tune it, and go and pretend you are in an Audi group B rally car….this is the last chance, they are going to ban ice cars very soon. This is the top of evolution of the ice cars and the government is going to kill them off, they will be extinct…
              A tuned RS 3 might be a good investment, might be worth a lot when all these cars are banned,

            • Audi RS 3 tuned, under 3000 lb, 1100 HP, has run 8.4 second quarter mile, just as quick to 60 miles per hour as the R8 twin turbo which is = 0 to 60 1.3 seconds. the ultimate sleeper, will be extinct soon………because of the government….

  8. On a side note:
    I had a customer bring in a late model Nissan wanting a State Inspection. Unfortunately the driver door could not be opened, from the inside or the outside. There was no key, no lock cylinder, no way to get in but to crawl through the RH Passenger seat & over the console. There was no way I was going to tackle this one, as I can only access the interior door parts by removing the interior panel, which I can only do with the door open. The car owner said Nissan quoted him 2K to repair this issue, no kidding, I wonder why. When there are no mechanical overrides for all this electrical automation & digital technology, a simple problem, such as a jammed door lock, becomes a monumental debacle. I told him I would inspect the car after he had the door issue remedied elsewhere. I wasn’t about to get myself tangled up in that technological disaster!

    • buy a super 7, they have no doors (you can buy a convertible top with side curtains). one of the most expensive parts on cars are the doors, it is very expensive to make them because they are very complicated and have to fit perfectly.

  9. I get the same response as you do, Eric, accusation that I “hate” EVs. I don’t hate EVs any more than blenders. I just have no use for either, regardless of the fact that a blender is more affordable & versatile. If someone wants to spend 5 times as much for an EV, and doesn’t mind the extreme lack of versatility, let them have at it.
    What I DO “hate” is the marketing and government scam that is such as applied to EVs. New-Age Cartpetbaggers is all they are, and people just fall for that B.S. over and over. The next thing will be the merger of the DNC and the Flat Earth Society. Fantasy is always more appealing than reality, and infinitely less productive.

    • Indeed, Graves!

      Take away the mandates/subsidies and EVs would be just another consumer product that people could buy or not, as they liked. Who would have a problem with that? I don’t like soy “meat,” either – but it doesn’t bother me that it’s available, for those who wish to buy it. The problem (and my ire) aries when I am told I must buy soy “meat”… or an EV.

  10. Hating anything is a waste of time and energy. But that doesn’t mean we have to accept the world as these green commies tell us we should. There are many ways to fight this insanity while keeping your wits about you. I don’t hate green energy or EV’s. Until I see the practicality and efficacy of what the green crowd is preaching, I remain in a state of avoidance and resignation. They have to prove their case in real time without lies and propaganda and thus far they have failed miserably.

  11. The elephant in the room is huge and missed on this topic. Toyota manufacturers forklifts in Indiana with American labor building 3 types of forklifts. Electric, diesel and LPG with the Toyota LPG forklift being the main choice for industrial use. No longer, the Biden EPA on Biden’s 5th day in office shut down Toyota from build the LPG forklift. The LPG forklift market in the USA is now being flooded with made in China LPG forklifts. My prediction on future EV vehicles is they will be coming to the USA from China where the will be built. China has a lock on lithium batteries because China is going to be running the show mining lithium in Afghanistan now the USA pulled out of that country. 85% of this world’s lithium is in Afghanistan. From the time Joe Biden was old enough to be a US Senator he has been making trips to China. Does China have something on Joe Biden? Maybe underage girls, booze and fun times? I learned long ago in life, the apples don’t fall far from the tree. The UAW and their union better wake up because they are on the doorstep of being forced out of business. Unless they can get work permits to help build EV vehicles in China assuming China has a labor shortage and will allow the UAW union to come to power.

    • I’ve derisively referred to our Phony POTUS as “Xiden” because he’s China’s, and by logical extension, the President of China (Xi), BITCH.

      • Dont forget his ties to Ukraine. Biden is causing trouble in Europe cause Russia built a natural gas pipeline to bypass the Ukraine to keep europe warm. But the biden administration is upset that gas which flows on other pipelines will not be siphoned or tolled by his busines partners.

      • biden, = ccp

        a US intelligence report that China offered to pay non-state actors in Afghanistan to attack American forces, according to Axios, citing two senior administration officials.

        China’s state apparatchik clandestinely baited the family members of the Obama-era vice president and secretary of state into joint business ventures in order to surreptitiously influence the trade and economic policies of the US government favoring China’s geo-economic interests spanning the globe.

        “Hunter Biden partnered with the Chinese state. Entire investment partnership is Chinese state money from social security fund to China Development Bank. It is actually a subsidiary of the Bank of China. This is not remotely anything less than a Chinese state-funded play.

        “Though the entire size of the fund cannot be reconstructed, the Taiwanese cofounder who is now detained in China, reports it to be NOT $1-1.5 billion but $6.5 billion. This would make Hunters stake worth at a minimum at least $50 million if he was to sell it.

        “The believed Godfather arranging Hunter’s business ventures is a gentleman named Yang Jiechi. He is currently the CCP Director of Foreign Affairs leading strategist for America, Politburo member, one of the most powerful men in China, and Chinese President Xi Jingpin’s confidant.

        “He met regularly with Joe Biden during his stint as Chinese ambassador the US when Biden chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Later he was Minister of Foreign Affairs when the investment partnership was made official in 2013.

        “Hunter Biden’s 2013 Bohai Harvest Rosemont investment partnership was set-up by Ministry of Foreign Affairs institutions which are tasked with garnering influence with foreign leaders during Yang’s tenure as Foreign Minister.

        “Hunter’s BHR stake (purchased for $400,000) is now likely be worth approx. $50 million (fees and capital appreciation based on BHR’s $6.5 billion AUM as stated by Michael Lin).

        “Joe Biden’s foreign policy stance towards China (formerly hawkish), turned positive despite China’s country’s rising geopolitical assertiveness.”

        In addition, China is alleged to practice “debt-trap diplomacy” for buying entire governments through extending financial grants and loans, and what better way to buy the rival government of the United States than by financing the Biden campaign through

        bestowing financial largesse on the Biden and John Kerry families and other prominent former officials of the Obama-Biden administration.

        In an exclusive report for the Breitbart New on October 16, Peter Schweizer and Seamus Bruner allege that newly obtained emails from a former business associate of Hunter Biden’s inner-circle reveal that Hunter and his colleagues used their access to the Obama-Biden administration to peddle influence to potential Chinese clients and investors—including securing a private, off-the-books meeting with the former vice president.

        “On November 5, 2011, one of Archer’s business contacts forwarded him an email teasing an opportunity to gain ‘potentially outstanding new clients’ by helping to arrange White House meetings for a group of Chinese executives and government officials.

        “The group was the China Entrepreneur Club (CEC) and the delegation included Chinese billionaires, Chinese Communist Party loyalists, and at least one ‘respected diplomat’ from Beijing. Despite its benign name, CEC has been called ‘a second foreign ministry’ for the People’s Republic of China—a communist government that closely controls most businesses in its country. CEC was established in 2006 by a group of businessmen and Chinese government diplomats.

        “CEC’s leadership boasts numerous senior members of the Chinese Communist Party, including Wang Zhongyu (vice chairman of the 10th CPPCC National Committee and deputy secretary of the Party group), Ma Weihua (director of multiple Chinese Communist Party offices), and Jiang Xipei (member of the Chinese Communist Party and representative of the 16th National Congress), among others.

        “‘I know it is political season and people are hesitant but a group like this does not come along every day,’ an intermediary named Mohamed A. Khashoggi wrote on behalf of the CEC to an associate of Hunter Biden and Devon Archer. ‘A tour of the white house and a meeting with a member of the chief of staff’s office and John Kerry would be great.’

        “The gross income of the CEC members’ companies allegedly ‘totaled more than renminbi 1.5 trillion, together accounting for roughly 4% of China’s GDP.’ The overture to Hunter Biden’s associates described the Chinese CEC members variously as ‘industrial elites,’ ‘highly influential,’ and among ‘the most important private sector individuals in China today,’ dubbed as the China Inc.

        “Hunter Biden and Devon Archer apparently delivered for the Chinese Communist Party-connected industrial elites within ten days … The Obama-Biden administration archives reveal that this Chinese delegation did indeed visit the White House on November 14, 2011, and enjoyed high-level access.

        “The visitor logs list Jeff Zients, the deputy director of Obama’s Office of Management and Budget (OMB), as the host of the CEC delegation. Obama had tasked Zients with restructuring and ultimately consolidating the various export-import agencies under the Commerce Department—an effort in which the Chinese delegation would have a keen interest.”

        Schweizer suggests that the meeting may have opened the door for Hunter and Devon Archer down the road—as just two years later they formed the Chinese government-funded Bohai Harvest RST (BHR) investment fund which saw Chinese money pour into it for investments in CEC-linked businesses.

        During the last decade, all the manufacturing has outsourced to China, Chinese entrepreneurs are stealing American jobs and the American working classes are finding it hard to make ends meet, yet neoliberal Democrats are dogmatically sticking with market fundamentalism of globalization and free trade.

        Trump withdrawing the United States from multilateral treaties, restructuring trade agreements, bringing investments and employments back to the US and initiating a trade war against China are a silent revolution against neoliberal ideals of globalization and free trade of which China is the new beneficiary with its strong manufacturing base and massive export potential.

        Thus, it was only natural for the Chinese government to try to oust Trump from the presidency with all available means, including providing financial support to his neoliberal Democratic rivals, favoring globalization and free trade,

    • The masters to whom Biden has prostituted himself to since 1972 (see the video where he says that in the 1970s) are the same people who have turned the failure that was communist China into the model for the technocratic authoritarian collective. There’s no need to have anything on old man Biden for he is a long term willing participant in the project.

  12. Lots of problems with EV’s

    Worldwide 80% of electricity is produced by oil, gas and coal. electric cars aren’t zero emission they are remote emission. In China most teslas are coal powered.

    The new gas powered cars run so clean they have very very low emissions, very close to zero like .00001% contaminants. The exhaust coming out of a modern diesel is cleaner then the air in a big city. ICE engines will be banned because they are not zero emission, .00001% contaminants is too high, this is leftist insanity.

    EV’s pollute more
    NOTE: The biggest pollutant emitted from new cars because they have so low emissions are from tires wearing out while driving, tire particles.
    ATTENTION: Electric cars weigh 50% more than gas powered cars so have higher tire wear, so EV’s pollute more.

    ATTENTION: Only 5% of electric car batteries are recycled, a huge pollution problem.

    In their entire life cycle including manufacturing, electric cars in total pollute far more than gas powered cars, people don’t seem to understand that the vast majority of a car’s carbon footprint is made during manufacture and scrapping. Running the car, not so much. EV’s pollute far more, the leftists lied to you.

    Most electric cars are designed as performance cars so they use far more energy and resources than they should. (the government regulations don’t allow the manufacture of small light electric cars which would make more sense, china does).

    Recharging costs:
    The grid can’t handle large numbers of electric cars recharging, if all cars are electric the grid capacity has to be increased 500%. There is already power shortages, blackouts in many countries with electricity costs rapidly rising, when electricity prices go up 400% your old ice vehicle will look cheap to run.

    Open pit lithium mining for battery manufacture, often done with child slave labour, is worse then tar sands mining.

    The biggest problem…….EV fires:
    Enormous amounts of water are required: tactically, this may mean using a master stream, 2½-inch or multiple 1¾-inch fire lines, to suppress and cool the fire. Vehicle fires don’t typically call for surround-and-drown tactics, but these are not typical vehicle fires. so you need multiple fire trucks to put out the fire, this is insanity.

    One example: the flames on the Tesla were extinguished, it reignited again. Firefighters began hosing it down with copious amounts of water, up to 200 gallons per minute, but “that did not extinguish the flames,” according to the NTSB. At approximately 9:13 p.m., nearly three hours after the first alarm was received, firefighters had to pour out more than 600 gallons of water per minute. In the end the agency used 20,000 gallons of water. these should be banned from the road…..

    Then the fire still isn’t put out……..Batteries can be expected to reignite after being put out because they still have stored energy. 15 hours later it catches fire again…
    “Battery fires can take up to 24 hours to extinguish”….. the vehicle must be parked under “quarantine” for 48 hours, so that no new fire can break out.
    Batteries are difficult to extinguish, and they can burst into flames again several hours later –ATTENTION: in some cases, right up to a week later
    ……… and they allow people to buy these abortions.

    ATTENTION: EV’s can’t replace ICV’s because………global capacity for the materials for EV batteries can’t replace even 3% of fossil fuel vehicles.

    Electric cars are expensive, they are only for the rich, but they are heavily subsidized by the government with taxpayer’s money, including taxes from the poor, the poor subsidizing the rich. the poor can walk. electric cars, toys for the rich.

    NOTE: The first people to buy electric cars were the most sold on the idea, the biggest believers, 20% of them are switching back to ice powered cars because of the inconvenience factor, the charging time hassle.

    Another problem EV shares with new ice powered vehicles: Electronic components have a limited life, even if you do not use them. It’s the nature of the P-N junction that forms a transistor.

    So the new electric vehicles like the new computerized ice vehicles will have a limited lifespan, when these electronics fail the car will be scrap, too expensive to fix, more recycling and waste. Only buy cars with no computers.

    A 1913 Bugatti type 22 is 108 years old and daily driven. A Tesla is scrap after 10 years.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVl3cEkSSo0

    But mechanical systems, like Jay Leno’s 1832 steam engine can last for centuries, get a steam powered car, they run on wood.
    Steam powered cars have the same advantage as electric cars, instant torque.

  13. Don’t think you would have wanted an EV yesterday when it was 9 degrees with a windchill below zero. Between the power required to keep the battery from freezing and YOU from freezing while driving it methinks your range would be considerably shortened.

    • On the other hand with no engine to warm up & spew rich polluting exhaust. No catayletic converter to be stolen, no engine maintainence. You can get instant heat and smooth power from an ev. If you arent going a great distance, the ev would be nice. Assuming a 50kwh battery pack, an ev would be comfy & reliable. If they just intigrated a small generator with maybe a 10 gallon gas tank, such a vehicle could be most excellent. But vehicles arent being made to serve their drivers, they are being designed for others to use you.

  14. Life in this decrepit country more and more resembles Weekend at Bernies. We have corporate executives skimming and cooking the books, we have deadly poisons being injected into people, the title character (FJB) is a corpse being propped up to fool his admirers, and we have a bunch of dweebs driving around electric golf carts masquerading as cars.

  15. EVs (and cars in general) are trending towards ‘appliances’. Friends, new appliances suck. My 3 year old $1200 dryer is dying. I reset the computer, make sure every sensor is clean, even cut power for several hours to deplete whatever volitale memory is in it.

    I just want the [email protected]#$ing thing to dry my clothes. The washer & dryer my parents bought between my brother (b. 1965) and me (b. 1968) still freakin works. My ol’ hillbilly dad kept it running. That was the point though, is he could keep it running cuz it was a *mechanical* device.

    I’ve coined the phrase ‘expensive cheap shit’ for the modern undurable durable goods. EVs and new cars are lumped into the expensive cheap shit as far as I’m concerned.

    • This is why I keep my old washer and dryer, Mike. Both are nearing the 30-year mark in terms of age. The dryer only has one heat setting: Very hot. It squawks to high heaven sometimes. But it works. Both are old enough, that they do not have the computer chips in them. When at a friend’s house, my friend complained that her new-and-improved, washer & dryer only lasts ten years-at best. It reminded me of another friend, who had a newer, GE washer. I swear the thing barely got the clothes wet. And wash the clothes? Forget it! It looked like the machine was taking them on a Sunday stroll. No vigorous agitation there! In retrospect, they can pound sand with these EV’s (I will be dragged in kicking & screaming). As for the squeaky dryer? I will just put on some headphones, put on a CD (some of us still use those), and listen to some Pink Floyd.

      • And just wait until more people need to start replacing their 10 year old washers, dryers and refrigerators. The shortage situation seems to be getting worse not better.

      • What’s frustrating with a more modern, “feature” laden washer or dryer is that, like cars, they COULD have been made with an inexpensive IC module that, if it craps out (and if they get past the “infantry mortality” phase, they seldom do), could be easily replaced in a few minutes with a few hand tools. But that’d cut into the livelihood of the “Maytag Repairman” (played for decades by the late Gordon Jump), and, most important, SALES of REPLACEMENTS.

        However, even the “fee market” still comes up with a few “workarounds”. If you MUST have a new washer/dryer, buy a ROPER. They’re still the same Whirlpool appliance, hell, there’s no reason to make a basic 3-speed agitator in any different combination. Just a few rotary dial switches, no frills, but they’ll wash and dry your laundry just the same. Same goes for GE, get a Tappan, it’s the same damned thing, just no frills.

        The other workaround has been to find an (ahem) “reputable” used appliance dealer, which often is the best solution when it’s the washer that kicks the bucket; sometimes you can even get one that matches the dryer, which typically will run forever.

        Lastly, a great deal of washer dryer issues can be fixed at home without the expensive service call My #1 son and I even fixed his gas dryer a few years ago, the igniter was available on Amazon and it was more figuring out how to disassemble the cabinet to get to it and put the damn thing back together. Fifteen bucks for the part, a few days where my daughter-in-law griped about having to put the laundry out on a clothesline, just like her Grandmother and MY mother (#1 son’s “meema”, obviously) were accustomed to doing all along, and a Saturday spent screwing around with it, and they had their gas dryer up and running again.

      • High efficiency washers save water by not actually washing the clothes. I set the machine to the maximum wash settings and I manually add water with a 5 gallon jug. Unfourtinatly my laundry closet was specifically designed for a compact washer dryer stack, and I cant put in a real machine.

        • Save your back and fit a tee to the cold and/or hot water side of the nearest sink with a hose bib; then add an in-line gate valve and a length of garden hose, and VIOLA! Add as much water to that dinky machine as you want.

    • Hi Mike,
      Had a similar experience last year with my 10 or so years old dishwasher. We had a power surge that fried the control board (also a couple tv’s) and couldn’t get a replacement board from the manufacturer or anyplace else- no longer made. The actual guts of the dishwasher were in fine shape but useless without that board, killed me to have to trash it. Tried to get a new one with the mechanical timer but they don’t make those anymore so we now have another with an electronic control board. Plugged it into a surge suppressor this time so hoping for the best.

    • Today’s stuff is crap. I can’t think of anything that is better made today than it was a generation ago. Our eight-year-old Bosch dishwasher went belly up last year. Hubby looked at me and said, “It is going to cost about $700 in parts we can go buy a new one cheaper.” We did. The Samsung dishwasher lasted 11 months. Well, I wasn’t going to toss out a dishwasher still under warranty, so I contacted Samsung who actually sent me a tech in three days.

      I met the repairman at the door (he was masked, and I wasn’t). Told him he couldn’t set foot in my house until he removed his face diaper (he was happy to do so) and he diagnosed it with the same problem that hubby found – bad pump. My repairman got the parts for us in about five days, and it was up and running within the week. It has been about four months and so far, so good, but I will be lucky if this sucker lasts for a total of five years.

      The quality and appreciation of a well-made product is no longer there. Everyone wants cheap. Everything is disposable. I hang out in antique shops for furniture and decor. The generations of today do not want their parents’ old China, beautiful handmade end tables, or old cookbooks. I am happy to take it off their hands for less than they paid for it back in the day. I wish people would appreciate the value in these old relics a bit more because once they are gone, they are gone. “You will own nothing” couldn’t be any closer to the truth.

      • I finally get a warm enough day to try to fix the Lady Kenmore, the biggest one with every setting you can imagine. It dates from the middle 80’s before that type of thing was common. Same for the washer that had the board go out in the 6 month warranty which the repair man said would be about $50 less than buying a new one.

        So 3 days ago I fill the dryer with clothes and the switch won’t turn it on. Guess I’d best get out there and see if I can figure out what’s wrong. Up until that, it worked like a new one.

        • Even money it’s the door switch. Connect a jumper across the leads and try to start the dryer. If it does, most appliance parts stores should have one; they’re common to most makes. Probably run you about eight bucks at the most.

  16. I’m not anti EVs, even though they are ugly and impractical for me. Overpriced crap, appealing to Low IQ, facebook type NPC’s has never been my cup of tea. The fact that you can get basically the same car in China for a couple grand that costs 30k or more here should tell thinking people all they need to know.

    I wasn’t always an anti vaxer. Good job globo-homo, your stunning hubris and overreach has awakened many who had no desire to see the truth. Now even simple minded peckerwoods like me hate you and your anti-human, soylent green agenda. In the past I was always live and let live regarding big Pharma’s bug juice. Haven’t taken shots since my Army days 35 years ago, but if someone wanted to shot some shit in their body, who am I to say different. Now I will fight the injecticide agenda with every fiber of my being.

    Nice job Eric, you continue to spread the truth about what a heavy hand the .GOv is using to remove our choice in transportation. Seems lately you have attracted some attention from those who shill for big daddy governments EV agenda. You must be getting close to the target. They will probably increase their lame efforts as you keep working to expose their anti human, anti-choice agenda.

  17. ‘I am regularly accused of “hating” electric cars.’ — eric

    Is inveighing against EV’s hate speech? Can it get you banned from Twatter and YouTube?

    Does Woke California hate Teslas? Consider:

    ‘For years, Tesla has tested autonomous vehicle technology on public roads without reporting crashes and system failures to the California Department of Motor Vehicles, as other robot car developers are required to do under DMV regulations.

    ‘But confronted with dozens of videos showing Tesla’s Full Self-Driving beta technology driving the car into dangerous situations, the DMV informed Tesla on Jan. 5 that it is “revisiting” its opinion that the company’s test program doesn’t fall under the department’s autonomous vehicle regulations because it requires a human driver.

    Unlike Waymo, Cruise, Argo and Zoox, Tesla is doing without trained test drivers. Participants in the Full Self-Driving beta have paid $10,000 for the privilege — soon to be raised to $12,000.

    If the DMV requires Tesla to conform to DMV autonomous testing safety regulations, the company would have to report crashes and system failures, giving the public hard data needed to evaluate how safe or how dangerous the technology is. It would also stiffen test-driver requirements.

    https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-01-11/dmv-message-to-legislatures-ontesla-full-self-driving-safety-its-not-our-job

    Payback for Elon bailing out for Texas?

    In any event, it’s a rare example of Commiefornia actually doing something sensible.

    • Jim – “Participants in the Full Self Driving beta have paid $10,000 for the privilege ….”
      Please tell me that’s a typo, are Tesla fanboys actually paying them for work that Tesla should be paying actual employees to do? That is completely insane.

  18. I absolutely agree that EVs are best suited to short trips or commutes. I might also add that they are better suited to warm climates. I don’t think I’d own one if I lived in Michigan.

    I absolutely disagree that they’re not fun to drive. Maybe a Leaf sucks, I don’t know, but our Tesla is a blast to drive. It is insanely fast, and handles like it’s on magnets. When you punch the accelerator, it literally sucks you into the seat. When I get into my truck after driving it, it feels like my whole front end just got loose. The 945 pounds of torque feels tepid after the Tesla.

    I agree completely that we shouldn’t be forced to buy any product we don’t want. On that note, I wouldn’t want a $10,000 Chinese EV. We bought the Tesla because it was fun, and really for no other reason. There’s no way we could have bought an IC car with similar performance (0-60 in under 3.5 seconds) for under $60k.

    As far as government/tax payer subsidies, all the American auto makers get them. I’m not saying they should get them, but Tesla would have to be idiots not to use them to their advantage. I got an $1,800 tax credit when I bought mine. A few weeks later, all of Tesla’s credits were over. The other auto makers were still getting full $7,000 (or whatever) credits, because they hadn’t sold enough EVs. I always assumed that tax avoidance was smiled upon in libertarian circles. I was more than happy to save $1,800 on my taxes that year, but it didn’t decide what car I would buy. I could’ve bought from another auto maker and got much more. Maybe I could’ve bought a Taycan and had similar performance, but I bought what I wanted, which brings me back to the main point of the article. People should be able to buy what they want. I agree.

    • Have to agree with you FloRida! What Tesla is selling is a very reasonably priced supercar. They are a great toy, and actually are practical in a city/short run environment, especially in a warm or moderate climate. This describes where most of the people in the US live, though most of the US is like where I live, very low population density, wild weather swings, and very common 500 mile trips through open country. So the Tesla does have a niche. I also have to say that a lot of the Tesla customers would consider buying a Mercedes/BMW in the same price range, used the same way, and would be looking potentially at a $15000 overhaul at about the time of the Tesla’s needed battery replacement.

      So as a panacea to irrelevant, unimportant, mostly untrue “climate change”, no. Electric cars (I prefer rechargeable cars) are entertaining and interesting.

      But why the hell are they stealing taxpayer money to encourage them rather than doing something like NOT demanding driver’s licences for low performance rechargeable city cars?

      • As far as “climate change” goes, I’m not convinced it’s man-made. If carbon does happen to be the culprit, we should probably plant more trees, rather than enriching the biggest corporations with free carbon credit money. That’s just a wealth redistribution scheme, designed to take money from guys like me and send it to people who have the billions needed to break into that market.

        I would like to see them outlaw most plastic. I think that would actually do the most good for our environment.

        Another great feature to the EV is the lack of maintenance costs. Tires and brakes. I just spent $156 on an oil change for my Duramax. I’ll still need tires, 6 of them, and brakes. Last oil change I needed a fuel filter. It all adds up. I paid more for the truck than the Tesla too. I do believe it makes sense to own an EV, but I don’t know if it would make sense without a backup IC.

        • Kudos to what you said about plastic. I remember in the early-to-mid 1990s (my latter high-school years), when soda pop bottlers began switching from glass to plastic, arguing with my peers about how plastic bottles are indeed worse for the environment than glass, not to mention worse for the consumer.

          There was a time, when we first learned about “global warming” in school in 1989 that I did pay some credence toward it. However, over the years of failed predictions, data alterations and/or intentional omissions by the official agencies, the need for government takeover of our lives to “solve” the “problem”, and hypocrisy of the global warming spokespeople, that I more and more realized what a scam it is. Also, amusingly, these people that tell you to believe the “science” are also the same people that inculcate the idea that there is “science” proving that there are an ever-growing number of genders.

          • The micro plastic in water bottles bothers me. There are some connections between plastic and increased estrogen production, that I’m not educated enough about to discuss convincingly, that I believe are causing some of these gender issues.

            The whole gender thing is extremely perplexing for me. The way I see these people treating body dysphoria is like telling an anorexic they are okay to think they’re too fat, and that they can get on diet pills or maybe meth, and get their stomach stapled so they won’t be so hungry. Anorexia is obviously body dysphoria just like gender fluidity is. Everyone knows an anorexic is sick and needs help. No one encourages their behavior. For some reason when the body dysphoria includes perversion, it becomes protected. It’s very confusing.

            • Hi Ron,

              I’m grateful that our water is well water rather than recycled/chlorinated poo (and estrogenated) city water. And I share your concerns over bottled water. I stay away from that stuff, as I stay away from HFC sodas and other such.

              As regards sex confusion: I don’t doubt that it’s a real issue; like you, I would rather it be treated as the psychological problem it is than a medical problem in need of correction (as opposed to therapy).

              What’s more troubling to me is that this problem is being normalized – thus encouraging more of it…

              • I agree, Eric. I’m stuck with the bottled stuff. I wish they’d bring back glass recycled bottles, and sell spring water in them. I have to choose between chlorine, fluoride, sewage infused city water, or taking my chances with micro plastics.

                I recently talked with a buddy who had sent his daughter off to university in California. She was raised in Cocoa Beach which is much more small town, middle America than East Coast as far as culture is concerned. When she came home, all she wanted to talk about was all her new gender fluid and trans friends. She never talked about any of that stuff before she left.

                “If you want more of something, subsidize it.”

                • Its a PITA, but you can filter or distill water and keep it in glass or stainless steel containers. But its just so much easier to get a case of plastic bottles for the car.

              • Funny how most of the “progressive” causes of the last century just happen to discourage human reproduction and healthy families.

                Homosexuality/transgenderism/abortion/pornography/no-fault divorce/female empowerment = no children, no families

                  • Hi Ron,

                    “My friend’s father blames all of it on the invention of the automatic transmission.”

                    THere’s a lot to that, I think. At least, learning how to drive in a car with a manual transmission – in that those who have done so are probably better drivers on average than those who never did. It fosters a skill set and sense of engagement with the vehicle – a habit of paying attention as well as feeling connected with the car. I encourage every parent to consider teaching their kid to drive stick in order to encourage them to become better drivers.

                    • I learned how to drive on a manual trans vehicle. There was nothing like the nerve-wracking lesson of stopping at the top of a steep hill (ha ha)-and then having to start forward again. The car I own now is manual trans, and like it better for the icy, slippery roads, in that I think I have more control over the vehicle, the slowing down gradually, etc. When I was getting my car serviced, I was stuck with an automatic trans. vehicle. Wow, what a lazy way to drive! Never mind fishing for the non-existent clutch pedal the whole time. Oh, and those push-button ignitions? What a trip.

                    • Ditto Shadow –

                      My current truck has a five speed manual; I am uninterested in a truck with an automatic. Much as I love my ’76 TA, I miss my prior TA… which had the Super T10 manual…

                    • I agree, Eric.

                      Some cars absolutely must be stick.

                      Back in ‘07, my wife and I went in to buy her a Miata. They had 4 at the dealership, 2 identical red, and 2 identical creamy white cars. The white ones had nicer wheels, 6 speed manuals, leather, and maybe better stereos or something. The red ones were base model, 5 speed manual cars, with no options. She was in her late 20s. I really liked the white car. It was super nice. Much nicer than I’d expect from a Miata. Of course, she wanted the red one. Only because it was red. She loved that car.

                      Fast forward about 6 months, and now she’s pregnant. We need a sedan. Every car out there is too big, too ugly, too slow, or too not a Miata. She finally agrees to the Lexus IS. I run her to the dealership before she changes he mind. She goes with the pearl white, which is the hot color at the time. This car had an auto with paddle shifters, for some reason. As we were moving her stuff from her base model, 5 speed Mazda, into her brand new Lexus, she was bawling. My buddy was with us, and commented that that was the first time that saleswoman had ever seen anyone crying like that because they were being forced to buy a new Lexus.

                      The downfall of civilization being caused by the automatic transmission thing, is a joke between a few buddies, and myself. It was meant to imply that giving women the ability to drive would ruin everything. It was the ranting of an old man, and we all got a kick out of it, and still do.

                  • The automatic transmission is the root of all automotive evil.

                    I’ve been saying that for decades now. When I went to Germany in the 1990s it proved my theory. A traffic jam in Germany was even remarkably pleasant because of the MT domination of the road. My rental was of course a 5spd.

                    • My old Turbo Diesel was manual and a real workhorse that got 18.5 mpg empty. A hand got in it to move it one day and was shocked it was a manual. He said the way I drove it sounded like an automatic. I’m easy on my vehicles even when working them hard.

                    • Many moons ago, while attending a two week training course in Dayton, OH, in the dead of winter, of course, I did what a lot of the “AFIT” students did…got a “Rent-A-Wreck”, which had a dealer nearby, who’d even sent a courtesy van (quite used, of course) to fetch us. Left with an ’81 Plymouth Champ with the twin-stick, as the guy running the counter lit up when he asked, “who here can drive a stick?”, and I got a very cheap rental rate for the weekend. Tooled all over the Dayton area, and that little buggy handled damn well on the icy roads. Ended up buying one (an ’82) a year later as a ‘beater’, and drove the crap out of it for several years.

              • Eric, I’m gonna have to disagree with you. And I’m gonna whip out some “science” to do it.

                Florida Ron is absolutely right about plastics (and hand sanitizers) are messing with men’s testosterone levels. About the only people that benefit from plastics are middle aged women. To whit, while I know there are products that help men grow/keep hair, overall, men are NOT losing their hair the way they used to on their heads, but rather their extremities. They also have ED at higher levels than previous generations. This is not without an environmental change. Look at men’s body hair after puberty compared to previous generations. I’ve noticed hair on the extremities has reduced through time in post-pubescent men compared to previous generations.

                Florida Ron is also likely correct that much of the gender crap going on is a result of this environmental change. But it is NOT the only reason for the gender crap. Given that through time, no matter what time, trans people were a very very very small minority. I still believe that they are still a very very very small minority but that propaganda, media, liberalism, etc. have put trans people on pedestals as some sort of heroes to be emulated. How do you push boundaries these days? How do you get under the skin of the old fogies? The old fogies now have tats, piercings, etc. The only thing left to go against the status quo is gender bending. And so it goes.

                From here I gotta confess, but confession doesn’t equal a listening ear. In fact, it means many ears will close when I come clean. Because almost no one wants to hear what I think. They just make up IN THEIR OWN minds what I think. What comes out of people’s minds when they think they know what I think is actually revealing of the person who is claiming to be of a higher mental capacity.

                I was born trans. It sucks. I don’t wish it upon anyone. I don’t read books to children. I don’t go out in public as a trans person. I was born the way I was and I will die the way I was born. I AM NOT CONFUSED! I know full well what I see in the mirror every day. However; I am confusing to most that know my full story (which is few), even more so that trans-identity people have hijacked the narrative.

                I have always tried to figure out what happened to me. All of my life. I am very logical. I don’t run around talking about “I just ‘feel’ this way. I am also emotional as part of my condition, but being born male does not allow me to be emotional. I had to grow a pair, like it or not, to deal with the world as it is. Not as I wished it was.

                It’s easier to point to physical differences since they can be seen vs. brain structure difference which can only be found post-mortem. So let’s get this transgender crap out of the way shall we?

                Do hermaphrodites exist? If so, then there are more than 2 genders. Just like trans people, they aren’t common, but it happens.

                Does DNA determine your body parts? While technically yes, the answer is no. Genetic males HAVE GIVEN BIRTH WITH THEIR OWN WOMBS (not shouting, just pointing out something big). In my search to figure out what happened to me, I came across this situation. Turns out the DNA default is female when something goes wrong. Makes sense. We all have X chromosomes. In these genetic males, a certain hormone doesn’t fire while their bodies are developing in utero which would start the generation of the testes. Instead, without testes, the body defaults to female and develops in that manner. These genetic males do not know anything is wrong until they go to the doc wondering why they still haven’t gotten their menstrual cycles. Once the docs figure out the genetic situation, they can be given female hormones and finish developing as females. They also can bring a baby to term in the womb but cannot conceive themselves since their “ovaries” are really just two dead testes at the end of the fallopian tubes.

                And then there’s the Guevedoces. Or “penis at 12”. Again, rare. But still, an inter-sexed condition that is visible and not asked to be taken on faith.

                For those that think I am wrong, you should pat me on the back. I have not spread my DNA. I have not ruined families by suppressing my brain for the sake of being “normal”. I also live alone. No one wants me. And I am fine with that. But if you look down on me while you hug your spouse and children tonight, realize, that I don’t have that. Never will. And I am glad that YOU don’t have to deal with that. Raise your families. Enjoy your relationships. I am glad you get to look down your nose at me. I would too if I were in your shoes.

                • Prot:

                  It sounds to me as though you have adapted in a healthy way to your personal situation. I am guessing you are an adult certainly over 18, probably a professional. Taking care of your self. Dealing with the hand you were dealt, but not expecting others to pay for “fixing” your problem. Kudos to you. I do not look down my nose at any person.

                  • Pushing 50.

                    Thank you for your response. I really appreciate your notice that I am dealing with the hand I was dealt.

                    “Dealing with the hand you were dealt” – that’s been the tough part. Not too long ago, I decided I was gonna go all in on being “male”. I grew a beard (which is the worst thing in the world for me) and lived my life exclusively male. I got fat, depressed, and wanted to kill myself. That’s no way to live.

                    And there’s the rub, live your life how you see fit. Be not a cancer upon society but be you. That’s the only path to the pursuit of happiness.

                    • Hermaphrodites were respected in some ancient civilizations. I think that the LBGT movement has really used lipstick lesbians and bisexual girls to promote a culture that cant stand on its own. You as someone born ambiguous have a genuine identity that should be respected. I wouldn’t hesitate to be a friend. The whole concept of trans pronouns has made everyone a pariah to avoid if they arent clearly male or female, just cause you expect any interaction to devolve into slanderous accusations, and potential leagal trouble. And most transgenderism seems more based on child abuse and misguided attitudes to education and sexual preditors.

                    • Indeed, Anon –

                      As a kid, I loved watching The Addams Family and especially felt a kinship with the character of Gomez. Here was a weirdo with a good heart who respected weirdness in others. Who seemed to get a kick out of the individuality of individuals. As contrasted with the squares, who freaked out when in the presence of something different.

                      The irony is the left – which feigns liberalism – is the most intolerant bunch of weirdos imaginable. With shrunken and cold hearts, too.

                    • Hi Protecting –

                      Amen. We all must deal with the hand we were dealt. Some of us get dealt better “cards” than others but no one gets a perfect hand. It is incumbent upon us to make the best of it, without making it worse for those around us.

                • Hi Protecting,

                  Thank you, first of all, for your thoughtful (and highly personal) post. I certainly do not look down my nose at you or any other person – who isn’t a bad person, which I define as someone who seeks to control other people or harm them in some way (which amounts to the same thing). We all have our issues – varying in type and degree. Lord knows I am not perfect and hope I do not convey the impression that I think I am.

                  I’m also not a doctor of geneticist, so what follows is my layman’s view of the situation…

                  I agree with you, based on what I have read, that there are artificial estrogens in the food chain (and water supply) and that they are having an effect on secondary sex characteristics such as body hair, sperm count and so on. This is anecdotal, but my Gen X buddies and I have remarked to one another several times about how young guys – college age guys – seem slighter-built than we were at their age. I see this phenom at my gym, too. The big/muscular guys are mostly older. Of course this may be just perception and sample error.

                  I agree with you, also, that just as some people seem to have have strong same sex attraction some also have the same internal sense that they are female – or male – notwithstanding the equipment. These people ought not to be looked down on or made to feel bad in any way on account of that. This is libertarian me talking now. I am cool with – I absolutely respect – each individual’s right to live/pursue happiness as they see fit. The ill will is being fostered, I submit, by those who demand others go beyond live and let live to “acceptance,” which is one of those authoritarian weasel words that means: Coercion. As in, coerced to use certain words (and not use other words; e.g., descriptive personal pronouns) and – the big one – denied (via coercion) their – and everyone’s – natural right to free association.

                  Per Rodney King, I think we can all get along – provided we all agree that use of coercion is wrong in every context except that of self-defense against a violent act that would otherwise do us harm.

                  I and I suspect most of the rest here wish you no ill will and – based on what I’ve come to know about you thus far – would likely call you friend if we got to know you better. Good to have you here!

                  • I think that hormones are an environmental thing. Like you get them from interaction with people & animals, you get them from moving and working. You get it from making your body produce or eliminate heat. Zoomers are low T cause they dont need T. Eat sleep, play computers & phones in climate control. T would make this boring and stressful. Take orders from mommy or teacher or tv. Being dominated lowers T. No wresteling or wrangling, no exposure to heat or cold. no challenging authority. The new generation is completely alien to the natural world. A neutered puppy has higher T than a soiboy cause he chases cats & rodents, he challenges people to play, he runs & plays on his own. They have no concept of phones & tv other than hey human put that rectangle down and play.

                  • Thanks Eric. I think my final statement didn’t go over as well as I’d hoped. I was trying to convey the majority opinion (as I see it) that something is wrong with a trans person is absolutely something I would think if I were never trans. I completely understand that it can be a hard thing to accept, like a BMW engine in Toyota. It may be a Toyota by birth, but it feels like a BMW under the hood.

                    I also appreciate your libertarian response as it is the reason I became libertarian. I realized pretty early on that the left wasn’t out to help people like me. That it was best if government got out of my way and let me keep more of my own money, I could have affected my desired outcome when the time was available if I had had more money in my pocket instead of stolen to pay for dudes to have viagra. And now I see that since gay marriage is under the bridge, that the left still doesn’t care about trans people. They are just pawns in a game. Most trans folks don’t know how much they are being played like fiddles. And don’t think that its just liberals playing trans people like fiddles, the conservatives whip out the “guys gonna molest your daughters in the bathroom” distraction to hide their wrong doings quite a bit.

                    And since the bathroom thing just came up, school children should NOT be dealing with anything trans in the bathrooms, dressing rooms, or showers. It has long been known that if you are openly trans in school, you use the teachers’ restroom. Sorry if it doesn’t fit in with the majority and makes a person feel excluded, but guess what?, If you are trans, you aren’t the majority. In fact, if you identify as trans, be prepared for a crap-ton of hard questions that aren’t easy to answer.

                    And finally, while there isn’t a black and white 2 genders only situation, there is a 2 gender only situation with pronouns. The world doesn’t want 200 genders. The world wants 2. Present as a girl, say “she”, present as a male, say “he”. That’s it. If a female gets offended you called her a a he because she looked like a he, that’s their problem, not yours. The only thing you have to worry about with other females is not assuming a woman is pregnant.

                    Pronouns and all the differences in the “spectrum” should be left to group therapy for those that think they are trans but aren’t. It has always been -.01% trans rate. Now its 4%. Something is wrong. It has become trendy to have trans kids in liberal circles. This is dangerous. Nothing good can come of this.

                • Hey PMNI,

                  Welcome, and thanks for the informative commentary. I hadn’t yet gone down the rabbit hole of these alternative biological pathways, though I’m aware of hermaphrodites and intersex people.

                  My take: Life is the ultimate experiment. It is the child of both amazingly fine-tuned biochemistry and chaos. That chaos often means the sacrifice of many a fringe variation for the benefit of the population, for that very randomness is also life’s ability to adapt. Just like in science, experiments often fail to produce the outcome for which you may have hoped, but they are never wasted (as long as they are done well).

              • The Late George Carlin had this little gem re: bottled water…

                “Ever wonder about those people who spend $2 apiece on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backward.”

        • Just consider the energies involved in atmospheric processes, volcanoes, earthquakes, and other natural phenomena, and it should be obvious that “climate change” is not only NOT attributable primarily to man, but that NOTHING that man does will have any effect on the overall climate of “Da Oith” (Bugs Bunny speak). Hate to break it to these woke idiots, but…in the scope of things geological and astronomical, mankind is not all that significant.

          So if we lose our collective shit and start tossing nukes at each other, and cause our own extinction, not only will Nature, over TIME, erase the temporarily bad effects of that nitwittery, it’ll be so thorough that whatever replaces us as Lords and Masters over this rock, maybe an intelligent race of bees, will puzzle at some inexplicably high radioactive background levels about what were once the missile silos in the Dakotas, or the lagoon that was once Kings Bay, GA, submarine base. Or maybe they’ll scratch their heads at the funny monolith showing a seated, somewhat hairless primate in some sort of…looks like a cage, along with the assorted broken statuary of other hairless primates…hey, maybe the prehistoric bees had this “fetish” for these weird, hairless primates that, if they existed, haven’t been around for fifty thousand solar revolutions!

        • Climate change is man made. They fly tanker airplanes to spray chemicals into the upper atmosphere. They have 1000 MW ionispheric heaters. (Powered by natural gas) our old electronics are sent to africa so that africans can try to get data to blackmail or impersonate people and then they light the electronics on fire and try to pick out the bits of gold and copper. And then they tell you that your SUV, white privilege, and burgers did whatever they are doing.

  19. I hate them because they are ugly. It might be shallow, but if I’m paying $35k for something, I want to have warm fuzzies when I look at it.
    Tucker Carlson once did an interesting piece about our ugly buildings in the US (brutalist architecture mostly) and how soul-sucking that is for people who live and work in them, that there is a basic human need for things that are beautiful and interesting. I think the effects can be said of cars, too.
    Such an expensive item like a car needs care and maintenance. If it’s a thing of beauty that I love, it gets lots of TLC. Or it’s just treated like my iron: Used, then stuck on a shelf with its cord wrapped around it until I need it again, only cared about when it malfunctions.
    But I also hate electric cars because of the smug virtue signalling of their proponents. I never denied that they might be a good choice for certain people, such as retirees who only take short trips around town for example, but most of us don’t use our cars that way. We take out-of-state road trips, have kids to haul around, need FWD and good heaters, plow snow, haul materials for work or live in areas with an unreliable electric grid. But in typical government fashion, the e-car is set to be forced upon all of us by denying us any other options. Then we’ll get to hear how we’re all “doing our part!” like we had some choice in the situation. (See South Park’s episode “Smug Alert”). And these virtue signalers seem to think they are fooling us. Just because the car is not burning carbon does not mean carbon is not being burnt. And that battery will be a huge environmental hazard when it’s time to throw it away.
    BTW: I love nature, wilderness and a pristine environment, I just hate environmentalists. The environment would be much better off if it got some better spokespeople.

    • I loved that Tucker bit. Everything has gotten ugly. Go compare a gas pump from the ’50s to a modern one. Then go compare a Coke machine from that same era to a modern one.

      It’s all deliberate. The types behind these hideous architectural and industrial design movements have an axe to grind.

    • Detroit iron may have been big and gas-guzzling, but one thing you could always say: the various makes each had their own “personality”. Part came from ongoing quirks that had been the result of engineering and production choices, but a lot was DELIBERATE, to cater to a certain market that liked their rides. It even went down to the “mechanicals”, especially from “Generous Mother”. Sure, there were, even then, SOME things the makes had in common (for example, the Olds Ninety-Eight, being on the same chassis as the Cadillac Series 60, later the Sedan DeVille, although it didn’t have quite the same trim and gadgets as the Caddy, and it had the Olds “Rocket” V8 instead of the Cadillac offering, but with essentially the same ride and handling, it was properly termed the “middle class Caddy”), like the Hydramatic transmission, but at least each make had its own engines, and when you fired them up, each had their own sound and FEEL. The late John DeLorean recognized this when he headed up Pontiac, where the “suits” had nixed “The Chief’s” slant-4, based on the 389, and driving through an INDEPENDENT rear suspension on the then-compact Pontiac Tempest. Realizing that Pontiac was doing much better in shedding its image of being GM’s version of Dodge, by appealing to “Yutes” (who were just coming into their own insofar as buying cars) with styling and POWER. Even the Chevy Six, the base engine for the mid-sized Tempest and the new FIrebird, was upgraded with an overhead cam and an available four-barrel carb and higher compression, so this “staid” Six actually moved their cars around quite well! Once DeLorean was “kicked upstairs” to head Chevrolet, and he inherited the Chevy Vega project (which no even he could save), the “suits” nixed the OHC Six, but did have a badge-engineered Pontiac compact, based on the Chevy Nova, called the Ventura, but the “buying” public wasn’t fooled.

  20. These are the reasons why I won’t be buying an electric car in their current form.

    1. Too expensive.
    2. Doesn’t last long enough.
    3. Takes too long to refuel.
    4. No compelling reason to make a change from gasoline.
    5. Future repairs too expensive.
    6. Short range (adds to reason 3).
    7. Too much like recent appliances with its glitchy and too short lived electronics.

    All reasonable reasons don’t you think?

    • All reasonable indeed. To reinforce further, related to your points #2 and 5, I will say that my biggest concern with BEVs is the fact that the rechargeable batteries will no longer be able to hold a charge after a while, making the maintenance costs (namely replacing the batteries) much much higher than if I just had a regular gasoline car with normal maintenance. As a person who keeps my vehicles for decades and keeps them maintained, the cost alone of BEV maintenance (whether I buy the vehicle new or used) makes for a very good reason not to buy one.

      • Tesla promised & demonstrated hot swappable batteries a few years ago before making the battery part of the structure, presumably making it difficult to change. He had the battery changed in less time than his friend who was just filling his gas tank. Obviously not an economically feasable thing to multiply to 1,000,000 per day but way easier than an engine/transmission swap.

        The real solution is having an LTO battery with a generator. LTO batteries work at -50°C and can be fully charged in 6 minutes with a 15,000 cycle life. Also more stable when damaged. So a 20kwh LTO pack and a 50 kw generator with 15 gallon tank could run a performance SUV with 50 MPG (if you dont plug it in) for many years. Cover it in solar cells and it will generate 5- 15 miles a day just sitting in the sun. Such a vehicle would be lighter, more versatile and easier to maintain. 4 electric motors with torque vectoring would eliminate the transmission, transfer case, & differentials.

    • That’s much more like it! The quintessential city runabout. And see how he smoked that Mustang?

      The bitch is that it cost him over $3,300 by the time he was done with all of the regulatory and customs bullshit.

      Also it is called the Changli “Freeman”. Interesting verbage, considering I wouldn’t expect such a title from any of our domestic vehicles. Maybe “Technoslave” or “Bootlicker”, though many are just using codenames these days (“Model S” and so forth).

      • How much in TAX REBATES were doled out to this woke virtue-signaler so he could show off the quick accel capability of his EV?

  21. The biggest problem with EV’s is the batteries in EV’s are very dangerous, a fire hazard:

    Lithium-ion batteries have a tendency to overheat and can be damaged at high voltages leading to thermal runaway and combustion. like driving around sitting on top of a huge bomb, make sure you don’t hit anything or get hit while driving one of these abortions.

    EV fires are very hard to put out the only way is with the application of huge amounts of water.

    Tactically, this may mean using a master stream, 2½-inch or multiple 1¾-inch fire lines, to suppress and cool the fire. Vehicle fires don’t typically call for surround-and-drown tactics, but these are not typical vehicle fires. so you need multiple fire trucks to put out the fire, this is insanity, they should ban these things.

    One example: the flames on the Tesla were extinguished, it reignited again. Firefighters began hosing it down with copious amounts of water, up to 200 gallons per minute, but “that did not extinguish the flames,” according to the NTSB. At approximately 9:13 p.m., nearly three hours after the first alarm was received, firefighters had to pour out more than 600 gallons of water per minute. In the end the agency used 20,000 gallons of water. these should bsa banned from the road…..

    Then the fire still isn’t put out……..Batteries can be expected to reignite after being put out because they still have stored energy. 15 hours later it catches fire again…
    “Battery fires can take up to 24 hours to extinguish”….. the vehicle must be parked under “quarantine” for 48 hours, so that no new fire can break out.
    Batteries are difficult to extinguish, and they can burst into flames again several hours later –ATTENTION: in some cases, right up to a week later
    ……… and they allow people to buy these abortions.

    – these things are so dangerous they shouldn’t be sold…..remember the leftist government says 24/7 safe and effective, all lies.

    The greater the amount of energy the electric vehicle may contain, the greater the fire risk of electric vehicle fires.
    So they want to increase the range but that means bigger batteries which are far more dangerous, tesla is the worst they have 2000 lb of batteries, a huge fire on wheels going somewhere to happen.

    The big hidden problem:
    they can’t increase the range because the huge batteries are too dangerous, and get more dangerous with increased size, capacity, so EV’s will never have ice vehicle range, so they are too dangerous and useless.

    Tiny little electric vehicles with tiny batteries would have been safer, cheaper would have made more sense, these huge EV’s are exactly the wrong solution, but the government is stupid, corrupt, insane.

    Here is the biggest problem nobody talks about……
    31% of fire departments don’t train for electric vehicle fires. 50% of fire departments say they don’t have special protocols in place to handle electric vehicles after an accident. These EV’s shouldn’t be sold the fire departments can’t even put out the fires, these things endanger everyone.

    Remember this while driving your EV:
    Drive down the road in your EV, hit some debris, a high bump, a huge pothole (the cities don’t fix the roads anymore, so don’t buy an EV), a raised manhole cover or drive into the ditch, puncture the battery and the battery catches fire.
    In addition to crashes, some of the earlier fires involving Teslas were reportedly caused by debris in the roadway puncturing and gouging the undercarriage of the lithium-ion battery pack.

    The damaged battery pack exposed the lithium, causing an exothermal reaction and subsequent fire. This hazard was thought to have been solved with the installation of a titanium cover encasing the battery pack, giving the undercarriage more resistance to severe damage. looks like they don’t work too well, remember this while driving your EV.

    Most electric vehicle fires are caused by the thermal runaway of a damaged battery. Thermal runaway is the rapid and extreme rise in temperature and when it initiates the same reaction in adjacent cells it is known as ‘thermal runaway propagation. When thermal runaway happens, it can produce smoke, fire and even explosions.

    Fires while the electric vehicle is stationary (an EV can catch fire even while parked, don’t sleep in it), this can happen from:
    Extreme temperatures, both extreme heat and cold
    High humidity
    Flooding
    Internal cell failure
    ATTENTION: Overcharging or problems with the charging station (the EV can catch fire), don’t charge it in your garage, what if something goes wrong while charging?
    Is that why so many charging stations are out of order? the software shuts them down over any little issue because they can cause fires.

    why do they even allow these on the road? the leftist government is pushing these because they are morons and insane,

    Fires in gas powered vehicles is far easier to put out compared to an EV and doesn’t take 24 hours to put out. (it is very very difficult for a diesel powered vehicle to catch fire, they are by far the safest)
    they soon will ban far safer gas powered vehicles and the best and the safest by far diesel powered vehicles, throw a match in diesel, it won’t even catch fire……..

    After 10 years the battery in your EV is near dead, useless, the car is scrap now, no residual value: Lithium-ion batteries are subject to aging, losing capacity and fail frequently after a number of years.
    A bigger worry is being cremated in the thing.

    Electric car batteries are catching fire and that could be a big turnoff to buyers.

    BMW initiated a recall in the United States of 10 different BMW and Mini plug-in hybrid models because of a risk of fire caused by debris that may have gotten into battery cells during manufacturing.
    Then, in early October, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration opened an investigation into reports of apparently spontaneous battery fires in Chevrolet Bolt EVs.
    A few days later, Hyundai announced that it was recalling 6,700 Kona Electric SUVs in the United States, among about 75,000 of that model to be recalled worldwide, after it had received numerous reports of vehicles catching fire while parked.
    Tesla faced problems this last year after multiple highly publicized battery fires.

    The leftist government is pushing these EV’s like crazy, all they say is safe and effective 24/7 like their mrna vaccine, same thing, pure lies. You are not allowed to know about the safety of vaccines or EV’s.

    Container puts out inextinguishable fires in electric cars

    https://cfpa-e.eu/container-puts-out-inextinguishable-fires-in-electric-cars/

    • We’ve all seen news reports of Teslas catching fire. Apparently this happens. Meanwhile, I’ve spent a good amount of time driving on highways over the last few years, and have yet to see one on fire or burnt. Prior to the “pandemic,” when I was commuting between Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach, I generally saw at least a few car fires each month on I95. Every time it was a gas powered car or truck. No electric or diesels burned.

      It seems amazing to me that so many cars burn. Just as amazing, is that none of them seem to be the ones that get the bad rap for burning. People get eaten by sharks too. It’s rare enough that it won’t keep me out of the ocean.

      • Electric car batteries are catching fire and that could be a big turnoff to buyers.

        BMW initiated a recall in the United States of 10 different BMW and Mini plug-in hybrid models because of a risk of fire caused by debris that may have gotten into battery cells during manufacturing.
        Then, in early October, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration opened an investigation into reports of apparently spontaneous battery fires in Chevrolet Bolt EVs.
        A few days later, Hyundai announced that it was recalling 6,700 Kona Electric SUVs in the United States, among about 75,000 of that model to be recalled worldwide, after it had received numerous reports of vehicles catching fire while parked.
        Tesla faced problems this last year after multiple highly publicized battery fires.

        • Hi Anon,

          Yup – in re the fire problem – which will become more apparent as more EVs get into circulation and especially as more of them “fast” charge. The latter being the main precursor of the fire problem. The next big one is impact forces in a crash.

          • Ive seen gas cars catch on fire, but not evs. I live in the seattle area and hybrids/evs are very popular here. Roads and drivers are very bad. Not saying evs dont have problems but I haven’t seen them. Of course it rarely gets above 90F or below 30F here, and the chargers in my hood are probably under 30kw. Maybe they are really good at hiding car fires, maybe its an extreme weather issue. But gas cars are also more likely to burst into flames due to extreme weather. And if your car is overheating, pulling over on the dry grass can cause a wildfire. Thank you catayletic converters for causing 100x more pollution than you saved. But being that there are a whole bunch of evs in my hood, many are parked in garages, and none of the houses have burned down in the nearby blocks, I suspect your fears of evs catching fire are overblown.

            • Hi James,

              Not having seen an EV fire doesn’t mean they don’t occur. They do. Often enough that Chevy and other EV sellers have recalled whole fleets of EVs. And they are qualitatively different than a gasoline fire. They burn faster and hotter – and they can re-start after being put out. This presents a unique hazard. Another is that the chance of a fire occurring during “fast” charging is not small; it is an inherent/baked in problem with pumping that kind of current into any battery.

              • I try to look at things objectively. There are some dangers and deficiencies of electric cars, however there are dangers and deficiencies of the petroleum cars and infastructure. With the current evs the danger is pretty much entirely with the car itself. With gas cars, the danger is global. Gas cars can and do catch fire – maybe easier to put out than a Tesla – if they arent in a drought striken area. But what about when the service station catches fire with 40,000 gallons of fuel underneath? Or or when it leaks into the ground? Or when tanker trucks crash? Or when refineries explode? Or when tanker ships crash and leak millions of gallons of products into the waterways? There is a Lot of danger with petroleum.

                lithium battery technology is rapidly evolving. Certainly my phone and computer batteries are living longer than they did 15 years ago, charging faster and not getting as hot. and tesla has been working to streamline manufacturing and reducing hotspots and failure points in their batteries. Im willing to guess that a current year tesla with the new large cell battery pack will be more reliable and less likely to burst into flames than the ones made a few years ago. Im also willing to bet that more turbocharged 1.3L SUVs will burst into flames per capita than teslas. Range reduction is less of a problem than you worry about. The used car lot has a 2011 leaf on the lot with the original battery, still claims 50 miles of range out of what 80 it came with? I rarely drive over 50 miles a day. And teslas wont cycle as hard cause their battery is bigger. Many older teslas have the original packs and decent range left in them.

                As I mentioned in another post there are other lithium batteries. Specifically: Yinlong brand Lithium Titanium Oxide. Ive watched their destructive testing of 30AH LTO cells and they do not burn when cut or drilled. They can also withstand 40 minutes in gasoline fire without exploding, and they can operate in -50°C to +60°C so none of the concern about running an electric battery heater in freezing weather and losing range while parked. they can be completely charged in 6 minutes With a 15,000 charge lifecycle. So if they were able to have 2000KW chargers, An LTO powered ev would literally have as much range and be as quick to recharge as a gasoline car even in a brutally cold winter.

                *Unless a Chinese company has cheated on their testing by using empty battery shells and over estimated the quality of their product.

                • Hi James,

                  Well, how often do service stations catch fire? Are they susceptible to catching fire in the way that EVs are? The act of transferring gasoline from an underground pump into a gas tank is extremely safe.One has to almost be a deliberate idiot for a fire to happen – as by lighting a match near the vapors emanating from the open gas filler neck. EV batteries, on the other hand, are inherently fire-prone when “fast” charged. They are also more inherently vulnerable to lighting up in the event of a wreck, because physical damage to the case can trigger a short and the battery pack is spread out over the entire floorpan (in most cases) thus rendering the pack vulnerable to impact damage from almost any angle. A gas tank can be violently hit and deformed – and not explode. It takes a spark (and volatile fumes) to ignite gas. An EV battery just requires enough force applied to cause a short circuit.

                  There is another issue, too. Degradation over time. EVs will wear-and-tear like any other car. The materials and how they’re put together. As the car ages and the suspension gets worn, vibrations and so on will increase – increasing the chances of a fire. The battery case, itself will age. Also all the peripherals. This is almost certain to result in increased fire potential over time.

                  Regarding the used (and tired) Leaf: A 50 mile range isn’t actually 50 miles. Because if you run out, you are screwed. You must always leave a margin – because if conditions reduce your putative 50 miles to 43, actual and your destination is 50 miles away- you are stuck. You cannot walk a “can” of kilowatt-hours back to your dead EV. Meanwhile, you can risk running a non-electric car down to fumes, because gas is readily available everywhere and easy to carry to the car, if you don’t quite make it. Also, the non-EV’s range is largely unaffected by cold or heat or the use of accessories – as is not the case with EVs. What rational person would buy a car that can only travel maybe 50 miles, by the way? When this car also costs much more to buy than an non-electric equivalent? When it has a dying battery – that will cost thousands to replace?

                  The LTO battery you mention may alter the situation – assuming it works as you describe and assuming it is something that can be manufactured and sold at a manageable price point. So far, that hasn’t happened and given the promises made I’ve heard over the past 30 years, I assume vaporware until proved not to be.

                  • just buy a diesel, it is better then a gas ice and 100 x better then an EV. You can throw a lit match in a puddle of diesel, it will not light.

                    diesel powered vehicles don’t explode in flames like gas ice or far worse EV’s. diesel is far safer.

                    in a closed garage an old gas ice vehicle would kill you with carbon monoxide, a diesel will not kill, you just get a headache.

                    diesel is safest and they are banning it, EV’s are most dangerous and government is forcing them on you, it is not about safety, looks more like depopulation, buy an EV get incinerated, an incinerator on wheels going somewhere to ignite/explode.

                • James, I’m amazed the degree of self-justifying NONSENSE you spewed in that post.

                  Despite the obvious presence of gasoline at filling stations and in a vehicle’s tank, fires are RARE, simply b/c we’ve learned simple precautions…like NO SMOKING. Or, as MoJones falsely alleged in the case of the “exploding” Ford Pinto, fixes to designs that seem more flammable than others aren’t all that expensive (just significantly more than what the 1973 MoJones “hit piece” on Ford alleged). And there’s another critical difference…no one was being arm-twisted or otherwise forced by those PRESUMING to dictate what our motoring choices should be into buying a Ford Pinto.

                  EVs have their peculiar advantages as a “city car”, if they’re the sole function and don’t generally go a long distance or have to operate in extreme weather. Attempts to make them even marginally competitive with ICE or hybrid vehicles have necessitated using these dicey batteries. Now, if you want to take that risk on your own volition, I’m not gonna stop you, but please don’t FORCE that decision on me.

                • EV fire hazard is 50 x worse then gas ice, better still buy a diesel far safer then gas ice and 100 x safer then very dangerous EV’s….

                  The biggest problem with EV’s is the batteries in EV’s are very dangerous, a fire hazard:

                  Lithium-ion batteries have a tendency to overheat and can be damaged at high voltages leading to thermal runaway and combustion. like driving around sitting on top of a huge bomb, make sure you don’t hit anything or get hit while driving one of these abortions.

                  EV fires are very hard to put out the only way is with the application of huge amounts of water.

                  Tactically, this may mean using a master stream, 2½-inch or multiple 1¾-inch fire lines, to suppress and cool the fire. Vehicle fires don’t typically call for surround-and-drown tactics, but these are not typical vehicle fires. so you need multiple fire trucks to put out the fire, this is insanity, they should ban these things.

                  One example: the flames on the Tesla were extinguished, it reignited again. Firefighters began hosing it down with copious amounts of water, up to 200 gallons per minute, but “that did not extinguish the flames,” according to the NTSB. At approximately 9:13 p.m., nearly three hours after the first alarm was received, firefighters had to pour out more than 600 gallons of water per minute. In the end the agency used 20,000 gallons of water. these should bsa banned from the road…..

                  Then the fire still isn’t put out……..Batteries can be expected to reignite after being put out because they still have stored energy. 15 hours later it catches fire again…
                  “Battery fires can take up to 24 hours to extinguish”….. the vehicle must be parked under “quarantine” for 48 hours, so that no new fire can break out.
                  Batteries are difficult to extinguish, and they can burst into flames again several hours later –ATTENTION: in some cases, right up to a week later
                  ……… and they allow people to buy these abortions.

                  – these things are so dangerous they shouldn’t be sold…..remember the leftist government says 24/7 safe and effective, all lies.

                  The greater the amount of energy the electric vehicle may contain, the greater the fire risk of electric vehicle fires.
                  So they want to increase the range but that means bigger batteries which are far more dangerous, tesla is the worst they have 2000 lb of batteries, a huge fire on wheels going somewhere to happen.

                  The big hidden problem:
                  they can’t increase the range because the huge batteries are too dangerous, and get more dangerous with increased size, capacity, so EV’s will never have ice vehicle range, so they are too dangerous and useless.

                  Tiny little electric vehicles with tiny batteries would have been safer, cheaper would have made more sense, these huge EV’s are exactly the wrong solution, but the government is stupid, corrupt, insane.

                  Here is the biggest problem nobody talks about……
                  31% of fire departments don’t train for electric vehicle fires. 50% of fire departments say they don’t have special protocols in place to handle electric vehicles after an accident. These EV’s shouldn’t be sold the fire departments can’t even put out the fires, these things endanger everyone.

                  Remember this while driving your EV:
                  Drive down the road in your EV, hit some debris, a high bump, a huge pothole (the cities don’t fix the roads anymore, so don’t buy an EV), a raised manhole cover or drive into the ditch, puncture the battery and the battery catches fire.
                  In addition to crashes, some of the earlier fires involving Teslas were reportedly caused by debris in the roadway puncturing and gouging the undercarriage of the lithium-ion battery pack.

                  The damaged battery pack exposed the lithium, causing an exothermal reaction and subsequent fire. This hazard was thought to have been solved with the installation of a titanium cover encasing the battery pack, giving the undercarriage more resistance to severe damage. looks like they don’t work too well, remember this while driving your EV.

                  Most electric vehicle fires are caused by the thermal runaway of a damaged battery. Thermal runaway is the rapid and extreme rise in temperature and when it initiates the same reaction in adjacent cells it is known as ‘thermal runaway propagation. When thermal runaway happens, it can produce smoke, fire and even explosions.

                  Fires while the electric vehicle is stationary (an EV can catch fire even while parked, don’t sleep in it), this can happen from:
                  Extreme temperatures, both extreme heat and cold
                  High humidity
                  Flooding
                  Internal cell failure
                  ATTENTION: Overcharging or problems with the charging station (the EV can catch fire), don’t charge it in your garage, what if something goes wrong while charging?
                  Is that why so many charging stations are out of order? the software shuts them down over any little issue because they can cause fires.

                  why do they even allow these on the road? the leftist government is pushing these because they are morons and insane,

                  Fires in gas powered vehicles is far easier to put out compared to an EV and doesn’t take 24 hours to put out. (it is very very difficult for a diesel powered vehicle to catch fire, they are by far the safest)
                  they soon will ban far safer gas powered vehicles and the best and the safest by far diesel powered vehicles, throw a match in diesel, it won’t even catch fire……..

                  After 10 years the battery in your EV is near dead, useless, the car is scrap now, no residual value: Lithium-ion batteries are subject to aging, losing capacity and fail frequently after a number of years.
                  A bigger worry is being cremated in the thing.

                  Electric car batteries are catching fire and that could be a big turnoff to buyers.

                  BMW initiated a recall in the United States of 10 different BMW and Mini plug-in hybrid models because of a risk of fire caused by debris that may have gotten into battery cells during manufacturing.
                  Then, in early October, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration opened an investigation into reports of apparently spontaneous battery fires in Chevrolet Bolt EVs.
                  A few days later, Hyundai announced that it was recalling 6,700 Kona Electric SUVs in the United States, among about 75,000 of that model to be recalled worldwide, after it had received numerous reports of vehicles catching fire while parked.
                  Tesla faced problems this last year after multiple highly publicized battery fires.

                  The leftist government is pushing these EV’s like crazy, all they say is safe and effective 24/7 like their mrna vaccine, same thing, pure lies. You are not allowed to know about the safety of vaccines or EV’s.

                  Container puts out inextinguishable fires in electric cars

                  https://cfpa-e.eu/container-puts-out-inextinguishable-fires-in-electric-cars/

    • I could have printed this up and stuck it all over my ex’s room and she’d still be in denial about the dangers and reality.

      Keyword is my Ex, so glad she’s gone. Also copy and pasted this to save for later, to share when I need to lay down the hard evidence as you explained it better than I could. Also plan on saving for a diesel offroader someday, so when the time comes, won’t be screwed

  22. BTW heres an interesting trend i’ve noticed here in the UK. This whole thing around the “microchip shortage” has been very interesting in that proper cars (say a good BMW or a mustang or even other more practical cars people like and can afford) are about 9 months to 1 year away on order, and even then options are severely limited. But you know what you can get within a month ? Electric cars !! A friend of mine got a new factory order tesla in less than a month ! And I keep getting alerts for other extremely good offers on electric cars for fairly quick delivery.

    Maybe im too far down the rabbit hole – but im starting to suspect something else is at play here. Whats you’re view Eric, is this something you’ve noticed too ?

    • Keep in mind you can get an electric car today because they have many left over from prior model years. In the case of the Chevy Bolt, most 2019’s and 2020’s are still on dealer lots unsold. I have heard stories about Chevy dealers avoiding taking delivery of more of them as they do not sell.

      None of the legacy automakers have a successful electric car. Tesla actually doesn’t either as their profits are from climate credits they sell other automakers.

      I wouldn’t be surprised that chips are being given to electric cars first over ICE ones though. Never let a crisis go to waste.

      • There may be nefarious contractual supplier obligations or government forced priorities at hand but I think it’s more like richb says, simply that they’ve been making them faster than they sell them for a few years so there’s vehicles in the pipeline. “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

      • It doesn’t look good, no ice vehicle inventory anywhere, they say…..chip shortage, so manufacturing of ice cars way down, maybe the priority is EV’s for chips, soon ice cars will be banned, maybe they want to slow it way down so there is less ice cars to scrap when they are banned, nearing the end of the road for ice vehicles….almost all exploration for more oil fields or coal mines has stopped, no investment there (we might freeze to death), then you are forced into EV’s……. our whole modern world was built on cheap oil, without it, back to the stone age, the zero carbon goal……

    • Too many computer chips in cars. Mustang is impractical. Reopen the line for the late 80s land cruiser. Just put a pioneer 2 din stereo, manual gearbox and a backup cam and call it the model year 2022 land cruiser.

  23. So true – I always wish there was a cheap light small electric car for city runs which you do a lot of in the UK. And when there was one – (the G Wiz in London) I did consider getting one because it was more convenient than the tube when I was young single and living in Central London. Infact back then it was actually cheaper to finance the thing than the train pass (And much nicer than the night bus or a trying to find a cab at 4 am after a night out)!!!!

    But ofcourse that was its problem, and as its obvious by now electric cars are not meant to increase individual mobility. Also eventually the day came when some idiot crashed one and died and it was banned for being not safe enough…. and that was the end of the practical electric car in my view….

  24. As I often point out to “anti-capitalists” I encounter, the free marked was created by God. There is no flaw in it. Left to its own devices, it will always create the highest quality and broadest selection at the lowest price. One can only gain profit from serving their fellow man/woman, by providing a product they want or need, at an acceptable level of quality, with what peripherals, greenness, labor treatment, or whatever, they desire or don’t, at a price they are willing and able to pay. Democracy without the gang rape.

    • “Hence, this is a classic confirmation of my observation that no matter how much the government controls the economic system, any problem will be blamed on whatever small zone of freedom remains.” Sheldon Richman

  25. Eric,

    Having read your articles for some time, I know it isn’t hatred driving your critique of electric cars. You bring reasonable and prudent points about their deficiencies. When you say you “don’t like” them, it seems to me that they simply don’t have the proper mechanical aesthetics to prime your pump, so to speak. They don’t excite you, any more than the frequently compared cordless drills you mention.

    That’s okay! Girls with no curves don’t do much for me either, but it doesn’t mean that I’m not nice to them.

  26. Eric,

    I believe the F150-class trucks, including the F150 “Lightning” will be the Waterloo of EVs as currently designed/sold in the US market.

    Once the novelty of the vehicles wear off for the “Show ya” crowd, the manufacturers will be faced with having to sell are essentially impractical designs to a very demanding customer base, much more detail obsessed than a Soy Boy deciding between a Corolla or a Tesla to scoot himself and his canine friend (they always have one) to the dog park and back during lunch hour on a “work from home” job.

    Right now, “Show ya” is dreaming of imitating the Ford commercial where he pushes the button and the Star Trek TNG-style interface activates the truck’s capability to power his entire McMansion while the neighbors shiver in the dark.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Mike Okuda is on the payroll in Dearborn.

    “Electric trucks are impractical.”

    “Show ya … Make it so.”

    • I agree, they will not sell many electric pickups to individual buyers (aka, the guy buying one for himself). They just won’t work for those buyers. Most small companies that buy a handful of trucks won’t want them either. They will be too expensive and impractical enough for a small business to even be an option.

      However,,,,,,,,,large fleet buyers will. Most big companies, universities, and government agencies will want the virtue signaling that comes it. They won’t care that it will make the jobs of the employees stuck driving them harder to do.

      And nobody is going to use their electric truck to power their house during an outage. A house would drain the battery even faster than driving it. Especially if the greenies get their way and make it that nobody has natural gas powering a few items that would draw plenty of electric like ovens, clothes dryers and furnaces.

      • Oh, I bet they’ll sell a few electric pickups to people who don’t actually need a pickup.

        Fleets, I bet they will sell to some and honestly they might make sense for a fleet of trucks used in town (just like an EV can make sense for a commuter). When you think about it municipal fleets of any kind might make sense to be electric. They don’t go far from home, lots of idling, starts and stops that are brutal on ICE, plus they get parked in the same lot every night.

        They won’t be able to give them away to contractors or anyone who tows of course.

      • Richb your claim is poorly informed. My house uses uses 200kwh per month in the summer time. And up to 1000kwh per month in winter. Its 100% electric. no gas or firewood here. That means a fully charged 100kwh electric vehicle could run my house for 3 days in winter or 2 entire weeks in spring/summer with no changes in habits. I have solar panels too – so assuming I didnt need the car for driving around, it could keep my house functioning off grid for 8 months of the year sucking in solar power all day and keeping my appliances running overnight.

    • Nothing wrong with having a dog, provided the mutt has adequate to run around and just BE A DOG. The “Soy Boy”, since he’s not getting laid, though, finds his “companionship” with the hound when he should be chasing skirts. Even if it’s not some squicky thing, it’s still emotionally stunting. Then again, why the hell would I WANT such a beta male to procreate anyway?

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