One of the chief reasons battery powered vehicles aren’t selling isn’t because they don’t go very far – or because they take comparatively forever to recover even a partial (let alone a full) charge. Assuming you have the time to drive to – and wait at – a “fast” charger.
The main reason for them not selling much is their cost.
With the exception of the Nissan Leaf and the Chevy Spark, it is hard to find a device for less than $50,000 – and most sell for more than that. This puts them in the luxury vehicle category and the market for that – battery powered or otherwise – is inherently not a mass-market. Expecting working and middle income people to buy $50k-plus battery-powered vehicles is like expecting working and middle income people to buy BMWs and Mercedes. Some can. But most can’t. Put another way: It doesn’t matter how quick battery powered devices are – or even how far they go – if most people can’t afford to buy one.
This assumes they wanted to buy one, of course. 
Slate Auto – which says it intends to produce devices that have the shape of a truck that can be converted into an SUV – promises its hypothetical devices will be available for “just under $30,000” at some unspecified point in the future. This is considered to be “affordable” – and it is, for a device. Especially a device shaped to look like a truck that can be converted into an SUV, which sounds doubtful given federal “safety” folderol that probably makes such modularity non-compliant.
But it isn’t really. Affordable, that is.
What it is – in terms of how it’s being presented – is another example of the ol’ EV shuck-and-jive.
Per Bo and Luke Duke. As in, let’s shuck-and-jive ol’ Roscoe!
The touted “under $30,000” base price, for openers, assumes the buyer will be able to knock $7,500 off what he pays via the federal tax kickback that’s been in place for many years to “incentivize” device sales by paying people back – using their own money – to buy devices. But the tax kickback is only available to people who’ve paid a large enough sum in taxes to qualify for the kickback – i.e., affluent people. In other words, the people who can afford devices. The people who can’t are often not eligible for the kickback – so they would have to pay MSRP. 
And – according to Slate Auto (odd name for a company that plans to make devices shaped liked trucks and SUVs) – that would buy them a device with “about 150 miles of range.” Meaning – cue the shuck and jive, again – less than that in other than ideal (for a device) conditions. If its very hot or very cold, bet your bippie the range will be a lot less than “about 150 miles.”
And what will the range be if the device is used to haul or pull things, which is what trucks and SUVs are specifically designed to be able to do? Cut the range in half, or more. Or – to be ale to drive “about 150 miles” – don’t use the device to do the things it looks like it ought to be able to do. Which is a lot like walking around with one of those fake muscles shirts that makes it look like you can bench 300 pounds.
It’s not much range, regardless.
“About 150 miles” is about one-third of a full tank of gas in terms of the energy equivalence it takes to drive a truck or SUV about that far. The Ford Maverick – which is a crossover made to look like a small truck – carries just shy of 14 gallons of gas, enough to give it a driving range of more than 500 miles (579 in the city, 483 on the highway).
Its range isn’t “about,” either.
If the Ford’s actual, real-world mileage were discovered to be 20 percent less than advertised – or even 5 percent less than advertised – Ford would become the target of a federal jihad (as happened to Hyundai a few years back) and costly class-action litigation. Devices get cut slack as regards the remarkable disparity between the range they tout and the range they actually deliver – because they are political vehicles as much as they are electric vehicles. They get the easy treatment – as for example Dr. Fauci has received vs. what you and I receive when we affront the authority of the state, in even petty ways, as by “speeding.” Dr. Fauci has yet to be “pulled over” for terrorizing hundreds of millions and being a party to harming and even killing a not-small percentage of those millions.
More range is available, of course.
But it will cost you thousands extra. This is another shuck-and-jive. Extra-cost to be able to drive the device more than – essentially – down the street and back? Imagine a vehicle manufacturer that listed tires as an extra cost option. Yet – essentially – this is what device makers do. Pay a few thousand more and now this device – if it ever actually gets produced – might go “about 240 miles.” That is to say, less than half as far as a Ford Maverick that ‘s actually available – as opposed to hypothetical – and for $26,995 to start without counting (and assuming) a $7,500 federal tax kickback.
Chris Barman, who is the CEO of Slate Vaporware – whoops, autos – says “the definition of what’s affordable is broken.” Absolutely. Spot on. But the device she proposes to build isn’t affordable, unless you disregard how far it doesn’t go unless you pay more to go farther – and assume you’ll be eligible to get a federal tax kickback. 
It’s a shame Americans are not allowed to buy actually affordable small trucks that aren’t devices and for that reason useful – as trucks. The Toyota HiLux Champ is one such. It has a 2,000 pound bed payload capacity and can pull more than 7,000 lbs. It is available with a diesel engine and a manual transmission that enables it to be driven twice-plus as far as the vaporware device Slate says it will produce and it can be fully refueled in less than five minutes.
“Affordable”?
How about $13k, ready to roll – and haul?
Too bad we’re not allowed to buy a truck like that. But – hey – they might allow us to buy a $30,000 device like this.
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It seems like an awful lot of “normal, middle class” folks can afford a new pickup or SUV and there is nothing on a Ford, Toyota, Nissan or Chevy lot that comes in under $35K and that would be for poverty or fleet spec base trims, which isn’t what’s sold. How many going into default, though. The whole car market is soft right now but trucks are probably one of the least weak.
Hi Kyle,
There is what you might call a lag interval in the course of events – as for example the time it took for the truth about “safe and effective” to percolate upward. I think – with regard to the truck market – that it appears stronger than it is because of the easy money (and credit) of the past several years that enabled many people to finance extravagant purchases they can just barely afford. But the cost of everything going up by 30-40 percent over the past few years has made that less viable. How many people can make an $800/month truck payment and pay for everything else they need? I think it is fewer and fewer – and that, soon, there is going to be an epic contraction that will leave fleets of these $50k-plus trucks sitting on dealers’ lots awaiting fire-sale liquidation.
Lots of Bankruptcies coming down the pike.
Here’s a different take on Chicken Tax.
https://taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/does-chicken-tax-encourage-people-purchase-larger-trucks
One more for good measure.
https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-are-pickups-so-expensive-blame-chicken-tax
The Chicken tax is main culprit in why Americans can’t buy an inexpensive light truck since 1964.
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/the-anti-consumer-25-chicken-tax-on-imported-trucks-has-insulated-the-big-3-from-foreign-competition-for-50-years/
Hi Netizel,
Absolutely. But there are other reasons, too. Ford and GM stopped making small, inexpensive trucks because there was more profit to be had selling “mid-sized” trucks that are very close to being as large as ’90s-era full-size (half-ton) trucks that sell for $30k-plus rather than $15k. And even full-size trucks need not cost $50k. They could easily be made – and sold at a profit – in basic work truck trim for less than $30 if they could legally be sold without air bags and a basic, TBI-equipped six paired with a four or five speed manual transmission.
And the basic work truck trim still was available with a good running six or V8 since by the late 80s early 90s a GM TBI fuel system worked just dandy.
The early 90s GM trucks had a great 5 speed manual – really great shift feel “clickity click” no mystery hunting for the next gear due to lame shifter linkage.
My 1991 C2500 Chevy has the original TBI unit. I’ve replaced gaskets twice in 34 years, it idles dead smooth at 188k miles. The ‘91 has seals on the throttle shaft to handle vacuum leaks that can be an issue on old worn carbs and TBIs.
CAFE is at fault as well – in 2006 the NHTSA came up with a silly plan to calculate CAFE based on things like wheelbase and axle track which incentivized the production of even bigger trucks. Basically the bigger the truck was, the more favorable it was to the fuel economy deity, aka BIG GUB.
What’s both sad and ironic, is that if the Slate was being developed as an IC-engined vehicle, then the government whores known as the “automotive press” (R&T, Jalopnik, etc.) would scream bloody murder about how “unsafe” it is, due to its small size. Oh, but it’s ELECTRIC, so it’s all good!
Exactly, Bluegrey –
The “press” would moan that it “lacks amenities” and is “too basic,” too. But because it’s a device, it’s magnificent in their eyes and never mind that t costs easily twice what something like my ’98 regular cab Frontier cost when it was new.
I’m a little more kind to these efforts than Eric. I’m in my mid 60s and know how easy it is to get into the “cranky old-man” line of thinking when it comes to new ideas. The Slate is a good thing because:
– Costs a little less, adjusted for inflation, than my ’71 Sportabout did. The Slate doesn’t need oil changes or gas. Obviously it is an around-town sorta vehicle, but it won’t rust out in 4 years nor get me killed in a moderate collision.
– Encourages a new generation a chance to get into turning a wrench on their own machine. I note that the Slate’s problem diagnosing is done via phone, and will suggest ways for problems to be fixed by the owner.
– Innovation within a hostile environment should be praised, not ridiculed. As Frank Lloyd Wright said, “The human race built most nobly when limitations were greatest.”
I encourage taking a more positive view of all this modern stuff. Yeah, there’s a lot of communal fun in ridicule, as 90% of people do, but I recommend a brighter outlook. Some of us learned the hard way that it’s better to have something to look forward to.
Hey Scooter,
You can read what I wrote below, but I don’t hate the idea of a simplified electric vehicle as an option. What still blows my mind is the cost, even with plastic panels, no paint, only one color and so forth. That’s still not settled, it seems, but it’s stated to be ~$28k before you steal $7,500 from anyone who didn’t buy an EV, if that’s even still an option by the time this is produced.
Maybe I’m delusional, but that still seems a bit unreasonable for a vehicle this simple.
‘Innovation within a hostile environment should be praised, not ridiculed.’ — Scooter
A ‘hostile environment,’ in which the US fedgov subsidizes 25 percent of the Slate truck’s price?
HA HA HA HA
You can’t hide your lyin’ eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you’d realize
There ain’t no way to hide your lyin’ eyes
— Eagles, Lyin’ Eyes
Sorry Jim, didn’t mean any harm to you.
I still like the idea of re-introducing hands-on thinking to the young folks using their language. Could spur similar thinking from others.
Hi Scooter,
I agree that innovation is good – but it isn’t good to promote top-down “innovation” predicated on lies, which is what this EV business is all about. Would this or any other device be made absent the federal subsidies and the federal mandates that push EVs – while at the same time pushing vehicles with engines off the market?
This device – absent the $7,500 grift – costs about $7k more (in real terms) as the ’98 Nissan Frontier regular cab I used to own cost when it was new – which was about $12,000. That’s about $23k today. And the ’98 Nissan served me for 20 years and is probably still serving the dude I sold it to. This device will probably need a new battery pack that costs half or more what the device itself costs before 10 years pass. There goes what you “save” on gas. And don’t forget you’ll be buying tires much more often – because devices are heavy and place greater loads on tires, which have to be specifically made to handle those loads. A typical EV tire costs $200-plus each. So $1,000-plus to replace the tires 30 percent sooner – because that’s how much faster they wear. on average.
That weight also imparts more force in crashes – meaning EVs are less afe for those who get hit by them.
What vehicle rusts out in four years? Is this device immune to rusting out eventually – like any other thing made of steel?
“will probably need a new battery pack that costs half or more what the device itself costs before 10 years pass.”
really?
even Teslas over a decade old don’t need new battery packs.
as for tires:
~3,600 lb estimate for the Slate, roughly the same as the Ford Maverick.
my Suburbans are ~6,000 lbs.
and tires for the latter are closer to $250 each.
I don’t see owners online bitchin’ about the cost of tires for those.
Hi Bill,
Yes, really. Most Teslas are driven part-time and short distance. When any EV is used regularly – and its battery subjected to regular high-voltge “fast charging” – it will inevitably and predictably lose charge capacity. This is true of all batteries. But while a AAA battery is cheap to replace, an 800 pound lithium-ion battery isn’t.
As far as tires and EVs. EVs wear them out faster because EVs are much heavier and because of the torque application of the motors. The Slate is vaporware by the way. Let’s see what it weighs when it is actually available. If it ever is.
I don’t think they had much of a choice making it an EV. CAFE still mandates a “fleet average of 49 mpg” so a single vehicle manufacturer simply isn’t allowed to make something like a Hilux Champ in America unless the law changes. Of course the “E-mpg ratings” of 130mpg or whatever they come up with has been proven to be BS too. This is your “American Hilux Champ”…double the price, weighs twice as much and goes half as far.
Even Grok who is run by Elon can’t deny it: “A Tesla Model 3 might show 131 e-MPG but cost more to “fuel” than a 40 MPG hybrid in high-electricity-cost areas”. Some Tesla owners are claiming it’s as low as 21.6 mpg. And that’s before considering the cost of battery replacement.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tesla-model-y-cost-more-to-charge-than-buying-gas.339058/
“This is your “American Hilux Champ”…double the price, weighs twice as much and goes half as far.”
Yep. We Americans have the “freedom” to buy what we’re allowed.
Either jump off the cliff, or get pushed off!
They still don’t understand. Or they do, as does any grifter who peddles his grift.
Here’s how to build a light car:
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/caterham-superlight-r500–the-brave-pill/42421
Caterham 7: 1,000 – 1,200 lbs depending on configuration.
IF you’re going to build a successful electric car, you’ll need to do a few things. First is to scrap the saaaaafety regulations. You’ll need a lightweight frame, such as that of the Caterham 7. It’s lightweight and fast, but plenty “safe”.
You’ll need to build something that endures, and tout longevity to make up for charging inconvenience.
A ~51kWh LiFePO4 battery pack, which is a similar capacity to that in this Slate device, will weigh about 1,000 lbs. You end up with a ~2,000 lb car. A similar battery pack costs about $6,000 with a 10 year warranty for us consumer whores, but a car company can probably make a better deal. You then have to build a car and make a little profit for $4,000. Perhaps you get more play-room if you decrease the battery capacity.
With the lighter weight, you can have a similar range as the Slate (3,500 lbs) with less battery. 4 wheel-motors (100 hp should be fine, reducing weight and increasing efficiency), a frame, mechanical works, seats, electrical and the electronics necessary to control the motors. Make any electronic/software used open-source.
The main draw, for someone like me, would be the low price, simplicity and lack of maintenance.
Theoretically, a good LiFePO4 battery will last 4,000 cycles at or near 100% depth of discharge.
If you average 100 miles per charge cycle, for example, that would be 400,000 miles of battery life, or even 320,000 miles at 80% depth of discharge, though you might get more cycles that way. The greater the range and the less use of capacity, the more cycles you should theoretically get.
If a $10,000 car would last 320,000+ miles and the only maintenance required would be new tires and windshield wipers, it would sell. Even an electric one. There would still be a limited market, but it would me much broader than the Tesla market.
For now, however, you’ll have to forget the electric truck idea. That is, a vehicle that will tow and haul. Not until that quantum leap in battery tech comes along. Perhaps aluminum-air. But now, nothin’ doin’.
I was thinking along the same lines, but a small electric pickup designed to accept a small, lightweight, efficient turbine generator module could further address the shortcomings. There is just no getting around the superior energy density of liquid hydrocarbon fuels. You could sell the electric with a usable 100 mile range, and minimize the cost and weight of the batteries, and more than make it up with a little turbine generator package. Which, conveniently could be made by your farm equipment division in no way connected to your EV company. Happy coincidence and all that.
Excellent idea, Ernie. I really love the fuel versatility of turbines as well. It’s the closest thing to Mr. Fusion we have at the moment. Does anyone even make a small turbine generator? If not, there’s a market vacuum in itself.
The key to the internal combustion engine has, ironically, always been the electrical system. 12 volts is a pathetically weak electrical system and necessitates huge wire gauges to accomplish menial tasks.
With a 48-50 volt electrical system, you can begin to realistically produce solenoid-actuated valve heads, which, when implemented, will spawn a completely new generation of ICE’s with efficiency and power the likes of which was only dreamed of in the muscle car era.
The problem with turbines is the production costs. Most production engines can run with a balance offset of around 1 oz, or 28 grams. Finely tuned race engines are balanced to 2 grams or less.
A gas turbine engine, however, is balanced to such a degree that a 1/8″ pencil mark on the turbine will throw a “turbine vibe high” alarm.
Such finely crafted engines cost a lot to produce, just from a logistics standpoint, and then you have the cost of the raw materials themselves, with most piston engines being made of raw iron, low-grade steels, and aluminum, and turbine engines being largely made of aerospace-grade stainless steels and titanium.
As an actual certified gas turbine mechanic, I’d love to see turbine-powered cars, I just don’t honestly believe we ever will. Not in the current usury-based economic system we currently live under, anyway.
Probably will never be built. At least for 20k. Especially when you consider its actually 30k. So still overpriced by double.
Like others have said, put an engine under the hood, and price it at 13k, it would sell. But they won’t. Because gas and diesel bad…..
Whoa!! WTF.
Reading & scrolling and there’s a picture that set me back. I used to work with Chris Barman when we were both engineers at Chrysler around early 2000’s.
Apparently she’s now the CEO of Slate? Sort of a shame. Brilliant lady. Shame to see her shilling for EV grift and malinvestment. So much wasted potential there to not be doing something productive.
I’m happy for her personally that she’s a CEO.
I’m sad that as a society her brilliant mind is being wasted and we aren’t benefiting from what her capability would produce in a functional market.
If she is truly brilliant, would she be contributing to the dysfunction, as you acknowledge she is doing? Classic male disconnect when it comes to females – never assign agency to women or hold them accountable.
Fear not, Orange Man will soon “fire” J Powell, get interest rates into negative territory, print a few gazillion more FedBux and save Wall St’s eye watering valuations based on the (always right around the corner from a technological breakthrough) “AI/AUTOMATED FUTURE!”
Then these vaporware companies can continue to flourish with the cheap money fuel required to keep the green grift going.
Consumers will squawk for a second, but quickly relent and run down to their nearest supplier of thermal runaway and take out a 144 month auto loan at 0.1% interest to put one of these beauties in their driveway.
Americans are by far the easiest people in the world to run scams on. The purpose of the $7500 was for the grifter scamers,,, not the no clue scamee’s. By some strange coincidence right after the announcement of the$7500 kickback many grifter EV manufactures raised their prices by $6000 to the $7000. The USA places number 13 to number 16 in the worlds maf ability coming out of college. Maf, language, history, spelling, while cursive writing isn’t even taught in many ‘schools’. Racist, dontcha know. Notice no official reasons given for the deluge of rotor / fixed wing aircraft. Yeah,,, they know too!
I reserved one for the sole reason its a regular cab, I am sick of having crew cab junk foisted on me, I would rather have a Toyota Hilux Champ but Toyotas head is up its a** so no go there.
The only ‘slate’ I can imagine they have, is the one where we are ‘slated’ for immobilization due to lack of funds.
The thing is so butt ugly, it makes me want to drink all day.
It is the exact same color of the clothes you’ll be wearing after the Great Reset.
I’d feel like it is a cloudy gray day driving the thing, I know I won’t be, for sure.
Hi drumphish.
I’ve seen uglier and I can live with the color but if it came with a 4 cylinder diesel and 4WD it would be a fun little truck but sadly it’s a overpriced POS being an EV with no range.
It is ugly.
WhistlinDiesel bought a Toyota Hilux and did two durability tests.
Needless to say, the truck was a wreck after the durability tests.
Still ran after destroying the cab, rolled it, then hooked up a fifth-wheel and towed 31,000 pounds of payload, a skid steer and a Ford pickup. The Hilux pulled the entire load uphill in second gear.
Another durability test on a new Toyota Hilux in England was done, the Hilux is ripped apart by WhistlinDiesel.
It is just a new version of demolition derbies.
According to the gospel of WhistlinDiesel, the Hilux is a very durable vehicle.
Go back a few years and see if you can find the video of Jeremy Clarkson trying to destroy an older (like mid 1980s) Hilux. They literally could not make it stop running. If you watched the old Top Gear you’d see the poor crushed truck on a pedestal in the studio as a tribute. It was buried under a building demolition, shackled under water at high tide but still started running with probably barely oily seawater in the crankcase.
Hi Kyle,
Yup. Clarkson is good people – one of our kind. He actually likes cars – and so (like me) hates what has been done to them.
You mean like these outfits?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CaMUfxVJVQ
Veddy nice!
We are now what we used to make fun of.
If they were actual journos instead of servile flacks, C&D stenographers would inquire boldly about a delicate subject — weight [ahem] — rather than just lapping up spoon-fed PR mush.
What do y’all want to bet that this little truck approaches 4,000 lbs with its standard battery, and tops two tons with the optional one?
There ain’t no Wegovy for fat-bottomed cars.
Well, I sat down to listen to the Slate Truck boy
And I thought I was gonna jump for joy
He slapped on the bullshit left and right
He took the options price list and he held it tight
He stopped once to wipe the sweat away
I said, “That’s a mighty little truck to be a-bloatin’ that way”
He said, “You’ll like it” with a big wide grin
Kept on a-fibbin’ and then he fibbed again
— Johnny Cash, Get Rhythm (1956)
Oh, won’t ya take me home tonight
Oh, down behind that red spot light
Oh, won’t you let it all weigh out
Fat bottom truck you make the rockin world go round…
With respect to the very dead (but still listenable) fag, Freddy Mercury
The Slate truck looks similar to Walz’ Scout.
Slate Auto is backed by Jeff Bezos, who, like Elon, has his own grifts running at taxpayers expense.
Bezos has always been much smarter and more subtle, coming out of a career as a quant at DE Shaw along with his first wife.
Who drove the other famous Bronco of the 90s.
Slate is also attempting to fill the Empowerment vaccum left by Brie’s career meltdown. The PR emphasizes that women are in charge at the company, but I’m sure that a lot of Y chromosomes are involved with the engineering, especially the software running the device.
Ah Newsweek. Are they still a subsidiary of the Bezos owned Washington Post? I know the Salesforce.com founder owns Time and the Widow Jobs owns The Atlantic.
https://www.newsweek.com/women-are-running-americas-new-electric-vehicle-company-2063699
You can’t be a modern tech billionare without your own legacy news magazine.
Car & Driver stenographers spin the EeeVee tax credit in their lede graf:
‘Nascent automaker Slate is putting a lot of faith in the federal EV tax credit sticking around, because with the $7,500 subsidy, the company’s battery-electric 2027 Truck will cost consumers a little less than $20,000. Even without that, the Slate Truck will retail for just under $27,500.’
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a64564869/2027-slate-truck-revealed/
Welfare, in other words. The ‘EeeVee dole,’ as our ancestors in the 1930s would have called it with a sneer.
‘The Slate Truck is a bare-bones pickup optimized for manufacturing and cost efficiency. To achieve that aim, Slate ditched most convenience features from the Truck. Apart from its digital gauge cluster that also serves as the rearview camera display, power locks, cruise control, and a forward-collision-warning system with automated emergency braking, the Truck offers little in the way of luxuries.’
Digital gauge cluster … automated emergency braking … BAH! These repel me the same way kryptonite makes Superman blanch in horror. No. No. A thousand times no.
Repeal the EeeVee subsidy! Make the Slate grifters scream and cry.
You’re gonna cry, cry, cry and you’ll want me then
It’ll hurt when you think of what a fool you’ve been
You’re gonna cry, cry, cry
— Johnny Cash, Cry, Cry, Cry (1957)
Great….another turd dressed up in a Baby Ruth wrapper. It seems that the most important economic lesson lost on those people who make these battery power devices and those foolish enough to buy one is “Time is Money”. Waiting hours to go verses a few minutes to go always determines market success. That’s if the market can function efficiently without government interference.
Don’t you know, they want everyone out of the pool. Pools are for the elites. Not to be shared with we mere plebs. Recently, at a Buc-EEs outside Mobile Alabama, I saw twenty plus EV FAST chargers, maybe three or four of them being used, what a freaking joke. Meanwhile all the hundred plus gas pumps were full. I guess the EV life makes sense at a place like Buc-EEs. Where else can you wander around a over glorified, ginormous gas station and find your very own emotional support beaver?
While there, I kept thinking of ancestors, rolling in graves. Pretty sure they would have sat it out had they known what peak empire would become. The only thing missing was the 5OO pound greeter at the door, telling me how much he loved me, and, the wafting malodor of Tika Missala overwhelming the DWV system..
Norm wrote, “find your very own emotional support beaver”.
[insert Beavis and Butthead giggling here]
Nice beaver! Thanks, I just had it stuffed….
Detective Frank Drebin (sp?)