Apparently, it’s not just GM that’s data-mining you. That is, using the “tech” embedded in your car to obtain information – say it the way the old BBC TV show, The Prisoner said it – about you. Such as information about the kind of music or talk radio programs you like to listen to. And where you shop for gas and groceries. And also information about how you drive – so as to “share” that information with the insurance mafia. So that the mafia can “adjust” what you’re forced to pay the mafia based on that information.
Well, it appears that Toyota may be collecting – and “sharing” – your information, too. At least, so asserts a class action lawsuit filed in federal court in Texas. The suit alleges that “Toyota and Connected Analytic Services (CAS) collected vast amounts of vehicle data, including location, speed, direction, braking and swerving/cornering events, and then shared that information with Progressive’s Snapshot data sharing program.”
Italics added.
What is “Connected Analytic Services”? Dial up the web site and you’ll find that it touts “leveraging data to empower drivers.” A more Orwellian example of doublethink would be hard to conjure. How are drivers “empowered” by leveraging their data? The term is italicized to make the point that leverage is what is held over someone by the individual or entity wielding it. Like the insurance mafia, for instance. The information is leveraged – in this case – to extort more money from the people forced to do business with the mafia, by claiming that “swerving/cornering events” – and of course “speeding” – constitute unsafe driving habits and those habits correlate with a higher likelihood of the driver being the cause of an accident and a possible payout for damages. Ergo, the mafia claims, it is legitimate to extort more money in anticipation of such damages. 
In italics to make a point about the fact that the damages have not actually been incurred and may never be. You can be a driver who never has an “accident” (as these events are typically styled, implying they just kind of happen, like a sudden summer downpour) but because you drive faster than the speed limit or with spirit (i.e., “swerving/cornering events”) to get around the drivers whose spirit has been crushed by the mafia’s extortion and the ubiquity of traffic cops who serve as the mafia’s de facto enforcers, the mafia can and will extort more money from you.
On the basis of the information about your driving habits “shared” by Toyota/Connected Data Services with the mafia.
This is interesting on several levels – in the sense that it is interesting to read about Stalin or the East German Stasi. The first being this business of what’s legally your vehicle “sharing” your information with other parties without your explicit consent.
As opposed to the greasy dodge that you have given implied consent – as by signing all the paperwork they push at you when you buy a new vehicle. Deep in the fine print – it’s never called to your attention – there is probably some clause that says you “agree” to certain things you have no idea you’ve agreed to. You just “agree” – by signing or checking the box. You assume your car – the entirety of the thing – is yours since you are the one paying for it and because it is your name that’s on the title to it. You probably have no idea the thing is collecting . . . information about you. Much less “sharing” it with parties that will use it to exert leverage over you.
There is probably no one who would knowingly agree to such a thing. And that is why the information is collected – and “shared” – furtively. You get to find out about it when the insurance mafia sends you an “adjustment” – the purposefully mewly term for increased extortion.
Which, of course, you are not free to say No to. That would be contrary to the point. More finely, if you were free to say No – without worse repercussions than increased extortion – then the insurance mafia wouldn’t be just exactly that. It would be a legitimate business that had to earn your money by persuading you that whatever it charged for the services it offered was worth the money. The fact that the government forces everyone who owns a car to do business with the mafia is proof these “services” are illegitimate and that the insurance mafia is a racket, not a legitimate business.
And now the car companies are in bed with the mafia – thus becoming part of the family, so to speak. Mazda is another “partner,” by the way, of Connected Data Services.
“We are committed to developing new and exciting ways to leverage data in order to cultivate greater customer satisfaction,” reads the copy on the CDS web site. And to “refining the insurance pricing process,” in order to help create safer driving conditions.”
More italics added.
“Greater customer satisfaction”? I guess that depends on who the “customer” is. No doubt the mafia is very satisfied. As far as “refine the insurance pricing process,” we all know what that means. It means something along the lines of “paying your fair share” of the money you worked to earn to someone else, who didn’t earn it – via the helping hands of the government. 
The good news is there’s still a way out of this.
It is to avoid buying any vehicle that is capable of gathering . . . information about you and “sharing” it with other parties. That means avoiding any new vehicle or any vehicle that has a “telematics” – the ability transmit information – of any kind. And that means going back to something made before – roughly – 2005 or so. The really good news as far as that’s concerned is you will avoid a clownscreen, ASS and the panoply of “assistance” tech you probably need like a man who can walk needs a wheelchair.
If enough of us refuse to buy into this crap, they’ll be forced to stop trying to sell it.
It’s as simple as that.
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Look at the bright side. The people on the other side of the modem in your car are some combination of cash strapped, careless, or distracted by newer things, and within 5 years maximum, the telemetry from your car is going to go nowhere, because the systems to receive it no longer work. I think buying a 5 year old car is safe.
I refuse to get a newer desktop computer to “allow” Windows 11, got the notice 10 support ends this Fall and my old but fully functional and quick computer won’t work with Windoz 11. I’ve refused to use Office 365, I want my software and my files on my machine. Don’t trust Microsoft with my “stuff”.
So – worth moving to Linux Mint, and will it still run my existing Office software and files? I’m no computer expert so i’d have to follow a bouncing ball of instructions. I did manage a hard drive swap to solid state drive without issues.
You can install Libre Office on your current Windows rig and see if it works on your office files before moving over to Linux. You also get familiar with the software you’ll be using in Linux before switching.
I recommend the Switched to Linux channel. https://www.youtube.com/@SwitchedtoLinux . He has a playlist of episodes called “Getting started with Linux”
They can track me until the cows come home, I always speed , run stop signs with no traffic around, cross centre line everyday (to avoid rimwrecker potholes)and pay attention to my surroundings. I also anticipate retards and their next poor choice.
Life is hard, and it’s harder when you stupid.
“There is probably no one who would knowingly agree to such a thing.”
I’d have to disagree. We all do it knowingly every time we use our smartphones, install an app, go online, get a loan, pay income tax, etc. Why? Because there’s not a lot of choice, other than living under a bridge somewhere.
FWIW, from Consumer Reports:
“A new Consumer Reports investigation has found that many automakers share your driving data – from where you go and how fast you’re driving, to how hard you brake and more – with data brokers. And these data brokers often sell your driving habits to insurance companies – sometimes without your knowledge – who can use it to hike premiums, or deny coverage altogether”
Petition: cr.org/autodata
“Empowering drivers”. Sounds like a fancy word for blackmail to.me.
If “they” only knew the shenanigans I’ve pulled in my unconnected cars over the years!
Perhaps the best hope for a return to some level of privacy is a massive Carrington event. Even all the governments of the world haven’t figured out a way to control the sun.
“Leveraging Tariffs to Impoverish Drivers”
‘Ford is raising prices. This is how and when tariffs start to affect U.S. car buyers.
‘Prices for a Mustang Mach-E, Maverick pickup, and Bronco Sport would rise by as much as $2,000 on some trim levels, citing a memo sent to dealers, Reuters reported on Wednesday.
‘The Bronco Sport, Maverick, and Mach E are built in Mexico. Ford’s price increases seem focused on imported vehicles.
‘Ford estimated a $1.5 billion hit to profits from tariffs in 2025. GM estimated a roughly $3.5 billion hit. Stellantis suspended its 2025 financial guidance.’
https://www.marketwatch.com/articles/tariffs-ford-stock-raising-prices-44f60ab5
So much winning!
This could be used to give them cover to write off their failed EV divisions without actually admitting their failure…chalk it up to tariffs, blame Trump, write it off their taxes somehow, and laugh all the way to the bank.
I don’t know it, can’t process it, but would not be the slightest bit surprised.
Black and white televisions, a telephone wired with low voltage copper wire, it was tethered to the wall or cord, microphones with 50 feet of cord to transmit the voice so a voice can be heard.
Patsy Cline singing So Wrong on archived video is a classic. Without the ability to collect data, you wouldn’t ever see her sing So Wrong.
If you have a cellphone that is also a smartphone, you can watch llamas graze in the highlands of Chile. Go to YT and view videos of mammoth tusk hunters in Siberia.
Nikita Zimov’s Pleistocene Park, a wildlife preserve in the Siberian taiga, is known because of the internet and the information revolution.
There are other places that need some discussion, but most of it should be ignored.
You can search for the recipe for a Waldorf salad in less than five seconds.
We are beyond keeping up with the Jones’, we’re jonesin’ for everything at once here in the now.
“If enough of us refuse to buy into this crap, they’ll be forced to stop trying to sell it”
If only the average person today had the intelligence fortitude and moral integrity it takes to discipline their behavior.. we might not be in this creepy situation.
Convenience.. endless digital monies for endless digital loans.
“Leveraging Data to Empower Drivers”
The secret to extract this expression’s meaning is to invert it:
“The Insurance Mafia Cries Out in Pain As It Strikes You”
Naomi Brockwell has a privacy channel and she does warn about car non-privacy. And Toyota is one of the worst in that regard.
https://odysee.com/@NaomiBrockwell:4/Car-Tracking:7
She has other videos on the topic as well.
Thing is, they collect all this data and make decisions based on assumptions. They assume you’re a bad driver if you speed. They assume that hard cornering is a mistake or going to lead to accidents. Their assumption, your higher premiums.
Thing is, I’d like to know how well the data correlates with crash data. And what about the fact that stupid people do stupid things, speed or not? Yesterday someone just decided to move over into the left lane without checking mirrors first. If I hadn’t taken an “extreme” evasive maneuver (duly noted by the data logger, no doubt) I would have had a day wrecker and tied up rush hour traffic for miles. But because I aggressively braked and swerved I was able to avoid collision, while the drifter slowly and steadily cut me off. BTW the only reason why that driver felt it necessary to cut me off was because he saw “enough” space between me and the car in front of me, a proper space cushion for conditions.
Point is there are plenty of times a well-trained, alert driver will perform moves that according to sensors are “aggressive.” Often times there’s good reason why too. But if the sensor is the only metric, well, then something is wrong.
This is the essence of all ethical laws (so called). The outcome is the only thing that matters. It makes no difference why a persons steals, assaults, murders. The crime is the crime. If you are not in an accident then that’s that. Our country and the world went off the rails trying to predict and pre-stop crime based on what might happen.
Aircraft black boxes are also constantly collecting all the data necessary to reconstruct an event but the buffer is circular and overwritten because information on something that did NOT happen isn’t useful. All that matters when you crash is that the last 2 hours of data is retained. The previous thousand hours of fault-free flight time is immaterial.
Telematics is sold as being for safety and it could be used for that. Knowing throttle, braking, g-forces could be useful if done on the up-and-up honestly. You could prove you were not at fault by attempting to avoid the collision. People do that with dash cameras.
Of course it’s really surveillance, which we all know to be true. I don’t necessarily view it as nefarious Stasi political evil. It can certainly and probably is used that way but mostly data on customers habits is gold, gold Jerry, to gain the edge by the marketing department.
But more this is a stream of revenue to the manufacturer in all sorts of ways completely unrelated to automobiles. The data they collect can be correlated and contextual in ways no random survey could ever be. When they can say for sure who is doing what that information is a lot more likely to result in a predictable outcome. What I mean is the person doesn’t know they are being watched so they don’t change their behavior. Toyota can say with high confidence that mini van drivers tend to eat at Chipotle and listen to Imagine Dragons and change the radio station when they hear an ad for motorcycles. If the data they are selling is historically accurate they can charge a lot more for it.
The saying is “If you can’t figure out how a company is making money then it’s YOU who is the product.” If you don’t know by now that Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook, Samsung and Twitter are making so much money by tracking you then you’re not paying attention. Same with car companies, appliance manufacturers and everything else. There’s no money in producing things, that’s one-and-done income. A revenue stream that never shuts off is where the real money is made, which could be a subscription, service or the data collection.
“Of course it’s really surveillance, which we all know to be true. I don’t necessarily view it as nefarious Stasi political evil. It can certainly and probably is used that way but…”
Government has been syphoning up data, all data, and storing it in perpetuity. They’ve been at it for many years. When they started, they didn’t yet have the tools to crunch all of that data, but they knew they would, eventually.
Using this collected data, AI will soon (if it can’t already) be able to know your every move and eventually, your every thought, everything about you. Total control and total slavery is in our future unless a world altering catastrophe sends us back to stone age technology.
Insurance rate increases and intrusive marketing are the least of our worries.
While we can always argue the merit of whether to buy a new or used car a lot of people wont be happy driving or paying for repairs on a twenty year old car; myself I’m happy with my aging fleet of antiques.
The problem becomes one of once you buy a new car and as they all collect data to a certain extent is to go to the next step as Sergeant Zim might have said “If your car can not transmit the data it’s not a problem anymore”. This of course means finding out how your car transmits your data and I’m guessing that somewhere is a SIM card. What the effect of removing the card will be I can’t say but over the air updates, navigation, OnStar and all the rest won’t work.
The next problem becomes one of will this void my warranty and does the car cache all the data and when your car goes in for a recall they just upload it then?
Tip to new Miata owners, don’t go to the Tail of the Dragon or your “insurance” (quotes to imply there is nothing “insured” but assured rate increases) will skyrocket.
‘that means going back to something made before – roughly – 2005 or so.’ — eric
Check. Did that. But in case of future need, what about the ambiguous years up to about 2016, when this hateful surveillance tech was spreading like cancer?
Early versions of telematics used the G3 cellular service of the day, now defunct. Lists are available of those models, qualifying them for ‘possible buy’ if they aren’t afflicted with other offensive nanny tech.
But it’s still perplexing not to find more how-to videos showing exactly where the LTE cellular transmitter is located on newer vehicles, and how to cut the power wire to it, or wrap it in aluminum foil, or trepan its little chip brain with a drill bit.
Me brain surgeon! 🙂
Id say look at a video how to install a new car cell antenna and your answer will be there on how to remove the old one.
But yes, older cars don’t have the active cell connection anymore, but still store data internally which the insurance companies can access or deny your claim if you do not allow them. They may still be able to communicate too, many old cell systems still work for emergency calls if you dial 911, but that does not mean GM or Chrysler or whatever still has access. I have a 2013 grand Cherokee I inherited (was planning on getting an early 90s honda with a manual) and while it does have lots of tech, it is nowhere near the current cars, doesnt have ASS, and the assists can be turned off once and they stay off forever except traction control. That has to be turned off every time you start it. Emergency brake is mechanical too. Main benefit to that era is speed and power that seemed to have peaked before engines started getting smaller again with turbos added. I dont even have the v8 and can out accelerate most normal new 4 pot cars and it can cruise at 90+ all day with A/C on in comfort, something difficult or impossible for older vehicles.
I think that there seems to be less of the bad stuff on older lower end model cars as well. I bought a 2016 Honda HRV last summer and it has a tiny touch screen and is set up for bluetooth connections. But there are no “assists” of any kind, no ASS or anything like that. My 2011 Dodge Ram (obviously a higher end vehicle) has only XM/Sirius radio connectivity and won’t interface at all with my phone.
It’s a cost/benefit analysis to the car company. The box to collect data may be cheap but they have to collect that data regularly, whether via cell data or otherwise. So they’re paying for bandwidth, there needs to a return on investment.
If you’re a cheapskate base model buyer you’re likely to opt out or maybe not be in their target consumer market so they’re no going to waste resources trying to collect data from you. You know, if you’re trying to nickel and dime the dealer you’re probably the type of person who doesn’t eat out much, won’t subscribe to Disney+ and will DIY instead of hire contractors. No point in collecting information from you, you’re not a typical clueless dolt and separating you from your money isn’t going to be low hanging fruit.
To Jim’s point, it’s not simple to say “just this box” anymore. There could be several data collector and GPS receivers in a vehicle distributed doing different things. You might break the navigation and think you did it but the ECU and telematics have their own. You could remove the whole shark fin, but the boxes will still figure out routes around by using open WiFi hot spots or mesh themselves with other cars ad hoc.
They don’t need the satellite GPS signal to know their position, which can come from cell towers and WiFi. One thing Google did when driving their street view cars around is map WiFi signals and put a GPS location to them. So they have a huge database that locates you based on that that. In fact most phones and computers rely on terrestrial maps like those instead of satellite GPS as it’s faster and works better inside buildings.
True, base really has advantages long term. I ended up with a 2013 summit model of GC instead of a base. I got assist and sensors on everything that I never use and an electronic shifter they eventually got rid of in later models. Also has air ride suspension which sounds cool, except I work on my own stuff and this is a nightmare waiting to happen when one of the 12 year old air bags fail or a line leaks deep in the vehicle somewhere. Whole thing is going to sink and look overloaded. That air pump also looks very expensive sitting under in front of the engine
Hi Eric,
You are right. It is simple, but people need to pay attention and start questioning. When a store asks for your email or phone number say no. When a store or restaurant asks to see your ID to purchase a bottle of wine say no. When some government agent wants your birth certificate or information they have no business asking for say no. Don’t hook up your phone to your car…pretend it is just a phone.
Large corporations and the government want to be in every aspect of our lives. Our privacy is sacred. We have to take extra steps and precautions to protect it and we need to stop doing business with those who believe that our wants, needs, likes, dislikes, etc. are for their use and can be shared with anyone that they want.
Indeed, RG. There was a time, not long ago, that wanting to know someone’s preferences, location, actions and habits was considered a sickness, if not a crime. Now it’s a resume’ enhancement and part of “Best Practices” for busi(body)ness.
Hi Mark,
In years past this would be stalking, but apparently if one has a .gov in its name or is a global enterprise stalking is acceptable. I live in Data Center Land. As I watch VDOT install fiber optic cables on the shoulders of major highways coming out of the DC Metro area to once sprawling farmland I am sickened by what I see. Every new data center built is another building to harbor our personal data. The waste of resources…electrical transmission lines, water supply, more nuclear power plants to keep these data mining buildings in operation is revolting.
As citizens we have become too accepting of having our information out there. Some even glorify in it. There will come a day where this country’s citizens will realize it has been taken too far, but it will be too late to backtrack.
Amen, RG –
All my life, it has been worth it (as I saw it) to go along with the “system.” I like electricity and hot and cold running water and being able to go shopping at stores for things I need. But it is beginning to feel less and less worth it. I often think of – fantasize about – just checking out and finding a far-away place deep in some rural holler and just living… without the things that have made our lives more oppressive rather than making ours lives “easier.”
Hi Eric,
There will come a time where I am going to sell everything, buy a used Boston Whaler, and live out my final days eating BBQ sandwiches and drinking Rum Punch from a picnic bench on Shoal Bay.
Just stay away from this scary-ass beach, and you’ll be fine.
https://postimg.cc/DSmNjDh2
Hi Jim,
Think of the fun we could have if we brought some markers and paint.
I don’t know…if I sat on a beach chair on the other side of the statue, would it be that bad?
Eric, “without the things that have made our lives more oppressive rather than by making our lives easier” I am old and, unfortunately, remember how much easier life used to be. Technology has its merits but on the whole it has made almost everything I do more complex and difficult. I remember full service department stores, elevator operators, phone operators. Libraries and reference books. Calling a company and talking to a real person. And, all-around, much more freedom. The good thing, I think, is that my grandchildren don’t know what we have lost. To them, all this tech is normal. I envy them that even while lamenting the loss.
I often think of – fantasize about – just checking out and finding. far-away place deep in some rural holler and just living… without the things that have made our lives more oppressive rather by making ours lives “easier.”
Do it
For the life of me I can’t understand why you continue to say in VA when you have the ability to work remotely from almost anywhere.
I know there needs to be some proximity to press fleet access but that still leaves a lot of options that offer more freedom and liberty to you than that hellhole of VA has to offer you.
Just curious BID…how many years did you live in VA?
Does one actually need to live under tyranny to know that it’s bad?
Ahhh, that a “none” without actually saying it.
Isn’t it funny that one one insists they must live in China or under the CCP to disparage communism?
But criticize a US state for the policies they have in place, well then them’s fighting words.
And GovCo is laughing at the success of its divide and conquer strategy!
Simply amazing!
Oops – no one insists . . .
And wasn’t it just recently that the MAGA folks were making fun of Volodymyr Zelenskyy for insisting that JD Vance couldn’t possibly know what’s going on in Ukraine without him having been there?
Common folks – have some intellectual honesty here.
Here’s just a few of the tyrannical policies that VA enjoys as it relates to auto enthusiasts:
Property taxation on vehicles
Legality of Roadside checkpoints
85 mph or is reckless driving
20 mph or more over PSL is reckless
State vehicle inspections
Radar detectors are illegal
Ya’ all got me. I’d have to live there to truly appreciate these things.
Well, that was easy to figure out. You live in SD.
Because there are only seven states in the nation that don’t tax personal property and the other six would make you a hypocrite. 🙂
RG you’re really losing me today . . . So now it would be hypocritical for to live in a state that has personal property tax?
I thought we shared some common ground that taxation is bad regardless of what name they put on it.
Personally, it’s all taxation is theft to me.
Actually, yes, it would, because that was one of the very points you made to Eric to leave VA.
So convincing him to up and move his entire life on the very traffic laws that you considered “tyrannical”, but yourself would be willing to live with is the very definition of unctuous.
That doesn’t mean that you and I cannot agree that taxation is unscrupulous and a form of theft, just that you are guilting Eric to a higher standard than you are willing to hold yourself.
All fair points but Eric is a grown man who spends a lot of time writing about the tyranny of VA.
He was fantasizing about leaving. I’m just encouraging him to do that.
I’m not so sure about holding him to a higher standard. For what it’s worth I have indeed left one place for another that I consider to be more free and less tyrannical than from whence I came.
There is no perfect place . . . But that doesn’t mean we can’t look for a better place. That freedom to up and move is the very definition of how this land was founded.
If you like VA and you find it to be agreeable. I hold no ill will towards you (or Eric).
However, to expect me to have to live in VA before I can criticize it is a bridge too far and I can’t agree with that principle.
And for what it’s worth I have visited VA. Beautiful place . . . Albeit too tyrannical for me.
RG, I also have to say – when I insulted vA, in no way do I direct that animosity toward you just because you may (or may not) live there.
I am no fan of any state in this “union”. All are bad and evil. Some more so than others.
Hi BID,
I am not insulted. I live here and I realize she has her fair share of issues, but this is one of MANY times that you have propositioned Eric to overall his whole life. When we inquire where to transfer to…there is no answer.
Based on how many times you have gone after the Virgin Queen I could only have assumed that you had lived here and found it displeasing, which is why I asked the question.
“I am not insulted. I live here and I realize she has her fair share of issues, but this is one of MANY times that you have propositioned Eric to overall his whole life. When we inquire where to transfer to…there is no answer.”
Again what you say is true.
However if Eric is going to continue to complain about the tyranny under which he lives, I’m going to continue encourage him (or anyone) that finds themselves in an unsatisfactory situation to leave and go find something better.
Where I live simply isn’t relevant. It’s not perfect here and it will continue to become more tyrannical and less livable as time progresses and more people move here that carry their love of government and their love of taxation with them. It has been going on here since the 1800’s and will not stop just because I’m here now.
All the remote working is part of the problem since it leads to every corner of the globe being wired and covered by Starlink. This makes 24/7/365 surveillance possible everywhere. Plus it makes otherwise rural places tolerable to people leaving LA, NYC, Chicago and other urban hellholes. If you want a job in the Matrix then you should have to stay in the place those jobs create.
Eric-
“just checking out and finding a far-away place deep in some rural holler”
I have spent most of my adult life with pit in my stomach.. a deep feeling of ‘I want to go home’.
But eventually realized that home is not a place..
it was a time.
And I really miss everybody.
That is pretty profound AMC but I think you’re right!
Don’t forget fiber in railroad right of way. That was happening long before the network carriers got around to running cables on freeway road shoulders.
SPRINT – Southern Pacific Railroad Internal National Telecommunications
VDOT sells the freeway shoulders to install fiber and the medians to Transurban for “express” toll lanes.
If you think they can’t sell the space above the freeway, I direct your attention to this structure, designed by former Disney Imagineers.
https://archway.org/
The legend is that the supports were built over a couple of months but the building was prefab, rolled into place overnight from the nearby fabrication yard.
It is a prototype for … something.
I “declined” to offer up my phone number over the weekend. The response was “Well, OK but you won’t be able to return anything without the receipt!” As if holding on to a slip of paper was impossible for the average human. Besides, the purchase was under $50 total, no single item was worth more than $10, so it would cost more to return a defective item than to just toss it, receipt or not.
Hi RK,
The “good German” aspect of this is beyond aggravating, by which I mean the way the average American just goes along with it and plays their part in it. I understand it’s “their job” in many cases and they are just “following orders.” Where have I heard that before?
You’ve heard it from every brain dead pussified spineless fucker which is the vast majority of the population.
I know that you know that for we are like-minded.