The Forester is one of Subaru’s most important models – to Subaru, in that it is one of Subaru’s best-selling models. For this reason it’s really important – to Subaru – to not fix what isn’t broken.
That’s always a risk whenever a model that sells well as it is gets redesigned. Of course, not redesigning it also runs the risk of it getting old and for that reason, not selling well.
You see the problem.
Has the just-updated Forester solved it?
What It Is
The Forester is a compact crossover with two rows and seating for five. It differs from the others in its class – models such as the Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4 and Hyundai Tucson (among many others) in that it is the only crossover you can buy – that isn’t a Porsche – that has a a boxer engine rather than an inline engine. It also comes standard with more ground clearance (8.7 inches) than most which – along with standard AWD – makes it more able to deal with deep snow and uneven terrain such as washed out dirt/gravel roads than most of the rest.
Prices for the just-updated 2025 model begin at $29,995 for the base trim. There are several other trims, including Premium ($33,385) Sport ($36,105) Limited ($37,695) Touring ($41,595) and Wilderness ($36,285).
A hybrid drivetrain is available with Premium, Limited and Touring trims, the latter stickering for $43,2945.
What’s New For 2025
The Forester gets major cosmetic makeover, outside and in – and a new (optional) hybrid drivetrain.
What’s Good
Boxer engine is something different in a class where too much is pretty much the same.
More standard ground clearance – and even more clearance is available (9.2 inches with Wilderness trim).
Can pull up to 3,000 lbs. – more than most of the others in the class.
What’s Not So Good
Significant increase (almost $3,000) in base price vs. last year.
The only version rated to pull 3,000 lbs. is the Wilderness trim.
No optional engine – or transmission.
Every Forester – including the new hybrid version – comes standard with a 2.5 liter, horizontally opposed or boxer engine. This type of engine lays flat rather than stands upright and its cylinders (pistons) are divided in pairs of two – in this case – on each side that box each other from opposite sides of the crankshaft, as opposed to being lined up in a row and going straight up-and-down. The advantages of the boxer layout are that the weight of the engine is spread out low-down in the car’s chassis, which improves balance and handling. This is one reason why Porsches have this kind of engine. The boxer engine is itself also more balanced because the “boxing” pistons cancel out what would otherwise be vibrations needing balancing weights to do the same – so the boxer engine is also lighter and smoother.
The main downside of the boxer layout is that engine oil doesn’t drain down from the topside of the engine when it’s not running and so pools in the cylinder heads; this can lead to oil seeping past the valves/seals in the cylinder heads, which can lead to higher oil consumption (via oil burning) if the valve guides are worn, as in a high-miles engine – allowing the pooled oil to seep by them into the combustion chamber.
The Forester’s 2.5 liter engine is also not a turbocharged engine, because it’s a larger engine than has become in other small crossovers. Some of the Subaru’s rivals in the class, such as the Honda CR-V, come standard with much smaller engines that need to be turbocharged for exactly that reason. Without the boost, the CR-V’s much smaller 1.5 liter engine would not make the 190 horsepower it touts. Interestingly, the Soobie’s 2.5 liter four makes nearly the same horsepower (180) without the boost and it touts about the same gas mileage – 26 city, 33 highway vs. 28 city, 34 highway for the Honda. This is interesting because the chief reason given for installing smaller engines – with turbo boost “on demand” – is for the sake of better gas mileage.
Except it often doesn’t pan out that way.
The big upside to not having a small, turbo-boosted engine is not ever having to worry about having to pay for a replacement turbo. And a decreased likelihood of ever having to worry about paying to fix or replace a prematurely worn-out engine.
The downside – as regards the Forester – is there’s no optional engine, unless you count the hybridized version of the 2.5 liter engine. It’s the same engine but gets shut off automatically whenever possible by the system, as when the car’s not actually moving or when it is decelerating/coasting. During these times, the lithium-battery powers accessories and (as in other hybrids) a small electric motor allows the vehicle to move for short distances at low speeds without the engine on while also boosting the combined output of the ensemble to 194 horsepower and increasing the touted gas mileage to 35 city, 34 highway.
This savings on gasoline is however offset by the considerably higher cost of the hybrid drivetrain, which also requires buying the higher-cost Premium trim. This the least expensive hybrid Forester costs $36,595 or $6,600 more than the base trim, non-hybrid Forester. It is doubtful you’ll ever see a net savings – on what you spend to own the car vs. what it costs to drive it – but you do get a 14 horsepower bump for the money.
All Foresters – like all Subarus (except for the BRZ sports coupe) – come standard with all-wheel-drive and a continuously variable (CVT) automatic with driver-selectable modes.
All Foresters also come standard with the most ground clearance (8.7 inches) in the class and can be ordered (if you order the Wilderness iteration) with even more clearance than that.
The Wilderness is also rated to tow as much as 3,000 lbs. or about double what other Foresters are rated to pull and also more than most of the others in this class are rated to pull.
One of the criticisms leveled at CVT transmissions is that they feel – and sound – weird. More finely, that they feel (and sound) like they’re slipping. This being a function – typically – of two things. The first being that in many instances, CVT transmissions are paired with underpowered engines. The second – related thing – being that CVT transmissions are designed to make the most of what power there is by letting the engine rev to make what power there is – and then holding the engine at that RPM when the driver pushes down hard on the accelerator. This of course makes a racket and gives one the feeling that the engine is really struggling, which of course it is.
But that’s not the CVT’s fault.
When paired with an adequately powerful engine such as the Forester’s and programmed to emulate the shift-action of a conventional automatic a CVT offers less noise and more smoothness, due to the elimination of “shift shock” – the perceptible feel of the transmission shifting up (or down) from gear to gear. With a CVT, you get linear acceleration and no feel of gear changing because there are no gears changing.
Is the Forester quick? A better question is whether it is quick enough – and relative to other small crossovers in the class. The answer is that it is. The non-hybrid can accelerate to 60 in just over 8 seconds; the slightly more powerful hybrid is slightly quicker. It also feels stronger because of the assist of the electric motor/battery side of the hybrid drivetrain that bumps up the low-speed throttle response. It’s not going to beat a WRX but that’s a silly point of comparison – like bitching about how terrible a Corvette is in the snow.
The Forester is soft and comfortable. It does not try to be WRX-like. The WRX is for people who want that. But it does have something in common with the WRX. More finely, it does something better than the WRX. While the latter is Hell-on-wheels in the snow (and the dirt and gravel) due to its tenaciously grippy AWD system and high-powered turbocharged engine it is not the hot ticket for rutted dirt/gravel roads or several inches of standing water – because it only has 5.4 inches of ground clearance.
Because it is a performance car.
The Forester has 8.7 inches of ground clearance; the Wilderness ups that to more than 9 inches. That latter is nearly twice the WRX’s clearance and that means a lot of air between the Forester’s vulnerable underside and the rocks and other such that would otherwise potentially put a dent in the floorpans or just break/tear off some other thing. That generous ground clearance even more than the AWD is what makes the Forester a particularly practical vehicle.
That’s of course not exciting – in the usually meant sense. But it is exciting to people who like a particularly practical vehicle.
The 2025 Forester is only a little bit larger overall than the 2024 Forester (183.3 inches end to end for the ’25 vs. 182.7 for the ’24) but it looks more substantial. More finely, it looks more like an SUV than a crossover – even though it still is exactly that, meaning it is not based on a 4WD truck chassis. The makeover seems to be meant to make the Forester more appealing to buyers who prefer the more rugged look of an SUV. The SUV-like ground clearance and body cladding around the perimeter helps with that.
Of course, the main thing most people who buy crossovers rather than truck-based SUVs is that crossovers have more room inside than a same-sized SUV – on account of the flatter floorpans that crossovers have because they don’t have the bulky rear axles, two-speed transfer cases and heavier duty underthings for which space has to be made.
That’s the main reason why this compact-sized crossover has 27.5 cubic feet of space for stuff behind its second row and 69.1 cubic feet when the second row’s folded down. To get a sense of this, a Jeep Wrangler – which is an SUV – only has 12.9 cubic feet of space behind its back seats and the total available cargo space is just 31.7 cubic feet, only a little bit more space than the Soobie has behind its backseats (and with passengers riding back there). The back seats in a crossover almost always have more legroom and headroom, too – chiefly (again) because the floorpans are lower and because there’s more space for legs because space didn’t have to be used for things under the floorpans.
Relative to others in its class, the Soobie has significantly more backseat legroom – 39.4 inches – than the Toyota RAV4 (37.8 inches) though not as much as the class-best Hyundai Tuscson (41.3 inches). The Honda CR-V comes out on top vs. the others in terms of maximum cargo space: 39.3 inches behind the back seats and 76.5 total.
All but the base trim Forester come standard with a new/larger 11.6 inch LCD touchscreen which is easier to use than many because there are manual knobs for the volume and station-tuning, so you do not have to look at the screen to make changes while you’re trying to keep your eyes on the road. There are also still push-button controls for changing the cabin temp settings and Subaru very thoughtfully provides both the new-style (oval) phone charge ports and the old style (rectangular) ports, so you don’t have to worry about not being able to charge up your phone, if you don’t have the right cord.
The Bottom Line
The main not-so-great thing is the new Forester’s price – which is almost $3k higher now. Yes, it’s new – and nicer in some ways. But – like its rivals – the new Forester is less affordable than it was and not by a little, either.
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My family’s 2017 Forester XT is, hands down, the best all around vehicle of the three dozen I have owned in my lifetime. No contest.
Don’t know about the electronic car, but those Subaru mills go great in 60s V Dubs like mine…
https://youtu.be/Jw6JSfjIaH4?si=I-SNQaU2cv69ayfE
Why is it that this vehicle only has about 69 cubic feet of space with the rear seats folded down, but my compact 1978 Ford Farimont station wagon had close to 80 cubic feet with the rear seats folded down, and it had a lower roof as well?
Maybe because the cars interior have thick window pillars stuffed with airbags and irregularly shaped rear seats that don’t fold flat, stuffed with thick padding. Federal motor vehicle safety stgandards also limit outward visibility and force makers to produce the thick A, B, C, and D pillars in most cars. The cars actually appear wider than they are due to all of these things.
I would rather have a Fairmont wagon with a 302 , a 4 speed overdrive and stuff the thing with sound insulation as I don’t like road noise
“The big upside to not having a small, turbo-boosted engine is not ever having to worry about having to pay for a replacement turbo.”
But you may well have to pay to replace that 6′ long timing belt whose lifespan is probably less that the turbo…
https://beltposter.blogspot.com/2020/09/subaru-25-sohc-timing-belt-tooth-count.html
It’s not that simple. All engines are complex now. The 4.0L V6 in the older Toyota trucks has three chains, one is about 10 feet long. There’s 4 timing marks that you have to get aligned when replacing them. Which I had to do at 240K on mine.
https://automotorpad.com/toyota/271976-toyota-1gr-fe-timing-chain.html
https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/2005-tacoma-timing-chain-replacement-2-7.357418/
I once liked Subarus because the boxer 4’s they have sound unique and they were once quite reliable. Had a co-worker with an Outback who put 250k on their car and sold it to get another one.
With all of the gimcrackery on this newer model, I don’t see Subaru’s previous reliability being an asset here. And no optional turbo motor? That’s ridiculous.
As stated before, I rented a Toyota Crown recently and came away stunned with how obtrusive and obnoxious the saaaaaaaaaaaaaaafety systems were to the driver and passengers. That alone, plus the weird isolation of the hybrid drive system (which worked flawlessly) would convince me not to purchase such a machine.
But here’s the real dealbreaker for me: Price. A similar Crown to what we rented costs $46k. Who the heck can afford that in a car with a not-so-large trunk and styling that can be best described as polarizing? And just think what happens to the nannies if one of those cameras (it has a bunch of them) or a sensor failed?
Same with the Forester. I can remember when small SUVs were priced in the $20k’s and low $30k’s. Now a small SUV with a stupid, wheezing 4-cylinder is a $35k and up machine.
Who can afford that, receiving so little for such a big note? Even on my salary, that’d be a considerable expense for a depreciating asset that won’t last. I wonder if the automakers have decided to jack up prices and forever give up volumes for great profits from each machine. The days of car companies have simple, small cars with razor-thin profits is over.
Thanks to Uncle and his regulatory morass that the Orange Idiot has done little to corral, much less eliminate, small cars are heavy because of all the safety garbage. Engines are short-lived, wheezy, small-displacement fours and threes because of carbon “emissions.”
I can’t stand it and won’t buy another new car. Ever. We’re quickly on the road to serfdom and people are going to be like those in Cuba, keeping 70-year-old cars on the road by any means necessary. It’s depressing.
RE: “I can remember when small SUVs were priced in the $20k’s”
I’ve been looking at used vehickes here in the Midwest, and to even Try to avoid great frame rot it seems like the $16,000 to $20,000 Dollar range is the starting point.
(The Starting Point?!?)
Often, while looking I wonder, no, I don’t, I KNOW that plays a Huge role in why younger people don’t want to drive. Crazy World. ANd, ‘the Cuba cars’ are just about as bad as new cars, price-wise.
Best pickup deal I found so far: 1996 GMC Sierra 1500 Club Cpe 141.5″ WB 4WD Mileage: 147,796
~ $15,000
Oops, forgot to mention, that GMC has a very clean rust-free looking underbody. So very pretty.
Compared to the rusted under-bodies of the 2005 to 2014’s for near – or above – the same price, it’s a gem.
…I cannot imagine being 16 yrs old to 20 yrs old & looking at car prices, the starting point for Super-crap cars is $3,000 to $5,000! What kind of teenager has That kind of money? Few & far between, I imagine.
…Almost All the vehickels I look at are very high mileage, … you can see how people hung onto their cars & wrung every mile they could out of them since ‘Cash-For_Clunkers’ screwed over the lower classes & the youth.
…But, I rant.
Does the transmission act differently if you change modes from auto to snow or sand? Seems to me one advantage to a CVT is that it will deliver constant power without any peaks or hesitation, like a snowmobile. That could be very useful in mud/sand/snow.
Drove a newer one recently. CVT yuck. “KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE ROADM BEEP, BEEP, BEEP.” Get lost.
Towing 3,000 lbs with a CeeVeeTee, according to the manufacturer’s tow rating?
Sounds like an extremely poor idea. Hope the floor pan is armored, to protect passengers from shrapnel when it blows up.
How long can prices increase when sales are down and loan delinquencies are up? Do the car companies realize more people are being priced out of the market or is this by design?
Amen, Rik –
I have a follow-up article coming on this topic…
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent” said Keynes.
Debt is now structural to the USSA’s economy.
Just as if termites hollowed out the entire framing of your home & your walls were now completely filled with them and were integral in holding up the roof.
Calling an exterminator would solve one problem, yet give you a thousand new problems.
That toe tapper keynes was right on target with that. Look at housing. We haven’t had a rational housing market since the late 1990s. It’s been up up and away since
Correction, We haven’t had a rational housing market since the late 1980’s.
…Maybe, even, since 1974.
(Hmm, what happened in ’72 to screw it all up?)
“… I have directed Secretary Connally to suspend temporarily the convertibility of the dollar into gold or other reserve assets, except in amounts and conditions determined to be in the interest of monetary stability and in the best interests of the United States. Now, what is this action—which is very technical—what does it mean for you?
Let me lay to rest the bugaboo of what is called devaluation. If you want to buy a foreign car or take a trip abroad, market conditions may cause your dollar to buy slightly less. But if you are among the overwhelming majority of Americans who buy American-made products in America, your dollar will be worth just as much tomorrow as it is today.” — Richard Nixon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock
Ha. Ha. Hardy, har, har.
Morning, Helot!
I’ve told this story before, but it bears repeating: My first house – which I bought in the mid-1990s when I was a young guy – cost $155,000. That same house today would cost around $600,000. Yes, some of the latter is inflation. But if you plug $155k into the BLS inflation calculator, you get about $330k – so my house has more than doubled in cost. No wonder the average age of a first time home-buyer is now about my age – a dude in his 50s. I was still in my 20s when I bought that house… No wonder today’s 20-somethings are pissed.
Hi Rik,
I think the ever increasing prices of new vehicles is intentional so that only uber wealthy people can afford a vehicle. They want to do the same thing with homes, REAL FOOD, owning a gun, etc. It appears to be right of the WEF’s playbook of “You’ll own nothing and be happy”, where it’ll be the billionaire sociopaths who own everything and be happy, and we’ll be slaves to them and renting from them. Ironically, it’s brought to you by the same government (and political party) that always claims to be looking out for the little guys.
Hi John,
Yes, I think the same. I got into this a bit with Rob Schilling in the interview I did with him yesterday (and that I just posted here). I think this is becoming more and more obvious, too.
Hi Eric,
They may also wish to own water. I don’t know if you already knew, but after Klaus Schwab stepped down as WEF chairman about a month or so ago, the lizards at that elite globalist organization named a fmr Nestlé CEO as its new interim chairman (I forget his name). There was video of him 20 years ago declaring that he thought humans had no right to clean water and that water should be privatized, effectively meaning that we’d be buying water from a company such as Nestlé. I wouldn’t put it past these freaks to try to ration water to people contingent on whether we’ve complied with the latest diktats issued by THEM.
The World Health Organization also wishes to issue diktats to member nations disguised as “Protecting public health” or “Stopping climate change” via its pandemic treaty, but that’s a topic for another time.
Nestle has had a water plant here in Michigan for years. A sweetheart deal by one of the Republincrat governers. Aquifer leaves are falling and the locals are pissed. The fee paid to the state is so little you and I would have trouble living on it.
aquifer levels
Everybody wants to be the phone company.
Inside every corporation is a little government waiting to metastasize. Rent seeking never changes.
A question regarding the nanny tech/ ASS; can it be disabled in whole or in part and if so is it a permanent fix or do you have to do it every time you start it?
Morning, Landru!
Some can be dialed back but not turned off entirely. The Eyesight stuff is all standard, too.
I would like to take a hammer to the eyesight crap.