Kentucky Heroes “Lock Down” Bar

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“You have the right to shut up,” aggressive beverage cops told innocent customers during the search.

A scene from the raid on Louisville's Cahoots bar. (Source: YouTube)

LOUISVILLE, KY — Beverage control enforcers performed a surprise raid on a popular dive bar, detained dozens of people and forced them all to endure warrantless searches before being allowed to leave.

The incident occurred on September 10th, 2014. It was an otherwise uneventful Tuesday at Cahoots, a tavern located on Bardstown Road, when officers swarmed into the establishment around 2:00 a.m.

The front and back doors were immediately locked, effectively depriving dozens of occupants of the ability to freely leave.

“Now a show of hands,” an officer announced. “Who’s got something on them they shouldn’t have? No one?”

Police began systematically searching each patron individually for contraband, without any probable cause or a warrant.

“We’re going to start over here in this corner,” the apparent leader said. “We’re going to work our way around, and if we go by, if you’re clean, you get to go out the front door.”

“Wow, is this for real?” one customer asked in disbelief.

Another customer filmed the incident with a cell phone. View it below:

Responding to someone about civil rights, an officer barked, “You have the right to shut up.”

Reportedly, the justification for the raid was an alleged violation of the bar’s liquor license.

Participating in the raid were both the Louisville Metro Police Department (LMPD) and the Kentucky Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC).

“It looks like police gone wild,” witness Kameran Kerelaj told WAVE-3 News. “They’re searching them, they’re not asking for permission, they’re not letting them leave.”

Civil rights advocates have decried the tactics. Was it a few rogue officers breaking from standard operating procedures? So far the departments are remaining mum.

The veracity of the discipline (or lack thereof) will proportionately reflect the state and metro agencies’ commitment to protecting the civilian right to privacy. So far no officer has been disciplined, terminated, or criminally charged for the appalling mass violation of rights in Louisville.

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  1. Do what you need to do. I enjoy posting here, but right now cannot afford to donate. In fact, my wife is talking about going back to ’employment’ (she works plenty now) which would mean my grandson goes to the PICs. I do NOT want that.

  2. Whatever is wrong with GM is a scientific, technological problem—not a political one—it can be solved only by technology, by value discovery thru the price mechanism, and thru the spontaneous order of the free market.

    In Defense of “Frankenfood”

    Government intervention in the markets in new products once again creates a grotesque alliance of regulators and big business in alliance against the interest of both potential customers and potential competitors–stifling innovation in return for business cartelization. With big agribusiness, environmentalists, and government bodies all potentially on the same page, the GM food revolution could be stymied. And any such regulatory barriers are roadblocks to a well-fed planet.

    They call GM foods “Frankenfoods,” these enviro enemies of a fertile and well-fed globe. The stereotypical enemies of Frankenstein– the out-of-control mob storming over the land with torches and pitchforks–are not exactly a symbol of reason and logic. In that sense, the enviros’ loaded rhetorical attack term is valuable. But it says more about them than it does about the beneficial products of human ingenuity they want to destroy.

    Ecology/Environmental Social Religion

    Ecology as a social principle condemns cities, culture, industry, technology, the intellect, and advocates men’s return to “nature,” to the state of grunting subanimals digging the soil with their bare hands.

    An Asian peasant who labors through all of his waking hours, with tools created in Biblical times—a South American aborigine who is devoured by piranha in a jungle stream—an African who is bitten by the tsetse fly—an Arab whose teeth are green with decay in his mouth—these do live with their “natural environment,” but are scarcely able to appreciate its beauty.

    Try to tell a Chinese mother, whose child is dying of cholera: “Should one do everything one can? Of course not, that is nature’s way.”

    Try to tell a Venezuelan housewife, who trudges miles on foot in sweltering weather in order to spend hours standing in line at a state store dispensing food rations, that America is defiled by shopping centers, expressways and family cars.

    In Western Europe, in the preindustrial Middle Ages, man’s life expectancy was 30 years. In the nineteenth century, Europe’s population grew by 300 percent—which is the best proof of the fact that for the first time in human history, industry gave the great masses of people a chance to survive.

    If it were true that a heavy concentration of industry is destructive to human life, one would find life expectancy declining in the more advanced countries. But it has been rising steadily. Here are the figures on life expectancy in the United States (from the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company):

    47.3 years
    53 years
    60 years
    71 years
    79 years

    Anyone over 30 years of age today, should give a resounding Thank you! to the nearest, grimiest, sootiest, smokestacks he can find.

    The dinosaur and its fellow-creatures vanished from this earth long before there were any industrialists or any men. But this did not end life on earth. Contrary to the ecologists, nature does not stand still and does not maintain the kind of “equilibrium” that guarantees the survival of any particular species—least of all the survival of her greatest and most fragile product: man.

    Amid all the propaganda of the ecologists—amidst all their appeals to nature and pleas for “harmony with nature”—there is no discussion of man’s needs and the requirements of his survival. Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision—i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears.

    In order to survive, man has to discover and produce everything he needs, which means that he has to alter his background and adapt it to his needs. Nature has not equipped him for adapting himself to his background in the manner of animals. From the most primitive cultures to the most advanced civilizations, man has had to manufacture things; his well-being depends on his success at production.

    The lowest human tribe cannot survive without that alleged source of pollution: fire. The ecologists are the new vultures swarming to extinguish that fire.

    Without machines and technology, the task of mere survival is a terrible, mind-and-body-wrecking ordeal. In “nature,” the struggle for food, clothing and shelter consumes all of a man’s energy and spirit; it is a losing struggle—the winner is any flood, earthquake or swarm of locusts. (Consider the 500,000 bodies left in the wake of a single flood in Pakistan; they had been men who lived without technology.) To work only for bare necessities is a luxury that mankind cannot afford.

    The the issue of pollution is the greatest crusade of the New Left activists, now that they’ve stop protesting the wars. Just as peace was not their goal or motive in that crusade, so clean air is not their goal or motive in this one. The goal is rent seeking, profligately distributed loot, and the destruction of the free market so that the power of central planners is preserved and increased.

    The immediate goal is obvious: the destruction of the remnants of capitalism in today’s mixed economy, and the establishment of a global dictatorship. This goal is not a conspiracy, it is clearly stated all the time in speeches and books on the subject. The New Left states explicitly that the ecological crusade is a means to that end.

    In addition to the accusations that “Capitalism leads you to the poorhouse” and “Capitalism leads you to war,” the New Left has added: “Capitalism defiles the beauty of your countryside,” . Collectivists are always finding problems, and always they propose the same solution. Prohibit and hamper the free market. Enlarge and set free the global dictatorship.

    City smog and filthy rivers are not good for men (though they are not the kind of danger that the ecological panic-mongers proclaim them to be). This is a scientific, technological problem—not a political one—and it can be solved only by technology. Even if smog were a risk to human life, we must remember that life in nature, without technology, is wholesale death.

    • Hi Tor,

      Just approved this comment; for whatever reason, most of your posts seem to run afoul of our anti-spam filter. It would really help – me and you – if you’d register as a user. Your posts would not get held up in the Moderation queue – and I would not have to approve each one!

      • Tor Libertarian is a registered user. Perhaps it is defective and should be deleted?

        Tor Minotaur – shadow banned cybergeist gadfly

        So long, and thanks for all the phish!

          • Dom, Eric,

            I see Mike In Boston is in moderation, seems like he’s been there before. Could it be that merely approving his submissions is the problem. I think there’s a way to tell the askimet artificial intelligence system that his posts are “not spam” which both moves it out of the moderation queue AND tells the system to trust his submissions next time.

            Not unlike whitelisting something in email. I think in my case, I go to moderation when I spend too much time editing the text in the text box. Just need to remember to write the comment in a wordprocessor and then paste is all.

            Happy Jewish New Year. Hard to believe it’s the 5775th anniversary of Beelzebub Rothschild loaning God the money to purchase the elemental matter he used to create this world.

            It’s nothing personal that we Jews crucified Jesus. It was just business. You notice nothing like this ever happened to the Hindus or the Buddhists. Cause they’ve always made their payments, even when they have to impoverish their own followers to do so.

            How did that prayer go again? “Forgive us our debts…” Somebody needs to stop turning water into wine and sober up. If one of youse doesn’t start at least paying the vig, the rapture really is gonna start happening. Beelzebub Rothschild always settles his debts. The easy agreed upon way. Or the harder sicilian way.

            You are what you eat? Do gut bacteria rule our minds?

            • The spam am getting out of hand. Three to four thousand per day.

              I have therefore turned on the “Captcha” screen, which requires typing in letters and so on before a post is accepted, to weed out the got-damned bots. Regular – registered – users should not be affected.

              To those who are not yet registered, please register. Your posts will then go through as soon as you post them (no Captcha rigmarole) and I will not have to waste my time dealing with hand-moderating dozens of posts – both spam and real – held in the “moderate” queue every got-damned day.

              I swear on a stack of Smokey & The Bandit DVDs that I will never “share” your information or use it for any purpose other than to weed out the mahfuggin’ bix nood Buy! Cialis! Ugg Boots spam.

              I don’t think it’s a lot to ask.

              Anyone having problems getting hooked up, just shoot me an e-mail ( and I will get it squared away, pronto.

              Time to throw the bots – and the spam – in the Woods!

              PS: I have been toying with the idea of giving posting privileges only to those who support EPautos with a monthly donation of $10 a month or more. This might solve the ongoing funding problem we’ve been dealing with. And it might be preferable to doing as some sites have and either limit the accessibility of the content to those who subscribe or lock the site down periodically during fundraisers. Your thoughts about the forgoing would be appreciated.

              Meanwhile, let’s see how this goes (the tighter spam filtration). I wish it weren’t necessary, but these bastards make it so. I’d like to take a ball peen hammer to their heads, but since this is all I can do, it’s what I’m doing.

          • @Eric: “I have been toying with the idea of giving posting privileges only to those who support EPautos with a monthly donation of $10 a month or more.” I think that’s a great idea. (P.S. We’ve almost recovered from several financial setbacks this spring — including over $5k paid to the feds as our tax penalty for getting married last year — so I’ll be throwing a couple of bucks your way again soon.)

            • Thanks, Mike!

              PS: A further reminder to all “regulars” – please register (if you have not) so that I can weed out the got-damned spambots!

              This ol’ redneck has reached his limits as far as spam bukkake all over the site.

  3. Given the alternatives, GM crops are good for the environment

    Fighting pests with genes is better than fighting them with sprays. Growing genetically modified crops commercially is better for the environment and greatly reduces pollution.

    It’s good to have choices though. Countries such as France and Austria, which are opposed to GM crops, will provide a means to compare results between using and not using GM crops.

    So far, opposition to GM crops has been counter-productive for the environment where it is prohibited as well as harmful to the economy and the consumer. It leaves areas that don’t use them more reliant on pesticides than other parts of the world.

    For instance, where GM potatoes are not planted, they require spraying with fungicides up to 15 times a season. Each spraying costs money, burns diesel, compacts soil and kills innocent fungal bystanders. Breeding blight-resistant potatoes the old fashioned way has proved difficult. By the time it is achieved, the blight is already immune to the resistance.

    In areas doing it the GM way, it has proved straightforward and beneficial. Techniques developed at Sainsbury Laboratory in Norwich for example, and promise stronger and longer resistance, because it is possible to introduce a cassette of several resistance genes.

    These genes come from wild plants that are in the same genus as the potato, which disposes of one source of opposition — that it’s an unnatural cross. The new GM variety probably could have been developed years earlier if the ecophobics had not driven so much of that kind of ground-breaking research away from Public Labs and into secret corporate laboratories.

    The phrase “genetic modification” is getting harder to define. It used to mean bringing genes in from other species, but now the question arises, what about when genes are brought in from a species in the same genus (as in the potato example)?

    Or, as will increasingly be the case, when existing genes within the crop species are edited rather than replaced? And why do the complex regulations about GM not apply to plants whose genes have been deliberately but randomly modified by gamma rays, as has happened to many common “non-GM” and even organic varieties?

    Organic bean sprouts killed 51 people in one E coli outbreak in Germany in 2011. GM food has neverkilled anyone so far. There’s simply no way to argue with a straight face, after billions of GM meals have been eaten all round the world, that the technology is a threat to our health and a matter of life and death.

    Purple tomatoes, rich in anti-cancer agents, have been created in Norwich, but they will only be grown and sold in Canada, because in England, GM’s health benefits are denied to consumers thanks to green authoritarianism.

    The need for genetic modification grows ever more urgent. The EU, in thrall to the mad precautionary principle — which argues for weighing the risks but not the benefits of innovation — is gradually outlawing many effective agro-chemicals used against weeds such as black grass, insects such as aphids and fungi such as yellow rust, all of which threaten the yields of wheat crops on a massive scale.

    Wheat farmers are facing a galloping yellow-rust crisis as resistance spreads and the armoury of allowed treatments shrinks. GM rust-resistant varieties of wheat are still five years away at the earliest, because that’s how long it takes to get regulatory approval.

    Elsewhere in the world, where GM crops can be grown that are resistant to pests, the butterflies, bees and birds are back in the fields in bigger numbers. When the pest resistance is inside the plant, only pests encounter it. It likewise makes no sense to ban neonicotinoid insecticides, after a year of increasing bee numbers, because the alternatives are even more damaging, and externally applied, pyrethroids.

    GM is a technology that is safe for human health, better for the environment, more effective than the alternative and economically beneficial to consumers and farmers. Let the French ban instead, and then see what benefits, if any this ban brings to them.

    The opposition to GM crops is chiefly motivated by dislike of corporate “control” of seeds. This is a meaningless cause, since the companies that supply GM seeds, also supply non-GM seeds. Not to mention their oligarchy over big items like tractors and small items like waterproof boots.

    If there is proof that GM crops are causing problems, lets organize a campaign and deal with the issues one at a time and actually solve a problem. What’s now occurring, is heavy-handed and expensive compliance regimes are erected, which means only large corporations can afford to apply for approval for GM crops. Thus a circular argument is made to revolve around and around. Only secretive oligarchs develop and sell GM seeds. So lets increase the rules to ensure it will always be the case, that only secretive oligarchs will be able to produce and distribute GM seeds.

    Most recently, the EU’s zeal to block GM crops, has includeda disgraceful campaign against the non-profit, humanitarian project in support of vitamin-A-rich “golden” rice.

    This rice could prevent the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children each year from vitamin-A deficiency diseases. These world spanning governing bodies like the EU and the UN are making Goldman Sachs look like Mother Theresa by comparison.

    In America, the GM market destroyers appear to be gaining ground. Two counties in Oregon have just banned GM crops, requiring all trace of them to be removed within a year. Once again, the reason turns out to be plunder. Those in the know say the big green philanthropic bodies in the USA are showing “donor fatigue” on the issue of climate change. Not one to miss out on a free lunch, Big Green has begun changing its message to push other buttons in its search for more funds. The lingering concern of people that “they are doing things to our food” is just one of those buttons.

    There is probably nothing worse than making it so only a handful of companies can produce our food anymore. When there’s no longer any free market and chance of competition. What’s to stop giant crony corporations from doing whatever they want to our food?

    In short, the campaign against GM is based on no new science suggesting environmental or health risks. It’s simply a cynical movement addicted to scaremongering the gullible to shake down and handcuff the market while looting new sources of new funds.

    There are now 17 million farmers growing GM crops in 28 countries, on 12 per cent of the world’s arable land. Let’s hope these Green Tyrants are unable to force this gene genie back into his bottle. And enable the PTB to bring back the days of hunger games and rampant starvation to large regions of the defenseless developing world.

    • Another bit, I believe referenced in my last argument, but here:

      “Let’s be clear about the science here. Genetic modification of foods is a powerful technology that can be incredibly beneficial. The recent development of salmon that can grow faster is an example: these salmon (developed by a company called AquaBounty) will make fish farming more efficient, and thereby help preserve the perilously endangered wild fish species in our oceans. On the other hand, GM technology can be used, as Monsanto has done, simply to allow farmers to use more pesticides, which doesn’t seem to benefit anyone other than the pesticide producers. It’s unfortunate that Monsanto’s behavior has been used as an excuse to give all GMOs a bad name.”

      these salmon […] will make fish farming more efficient, and thereby help preserve the perilously endangered wild fish species in our oceans.

      Anyone ever seen the crap (literally) the fish are fed? And how they are factory-farmed, just like chickens and sheep and goats and even beef and dairy cows?
      And you GOT to love that final bit, the “help preserve the perilously endangered wild fish species in our oceans.” Bull-SHIT! Like these people care?
      Only advantage? Keep the cost of OCEAN-CAUGHT (i.e., REAL FOOD) fish OUT OF THE REACH OF COMMON FOLK.

      It would be different if flooded large areas, or cleaned up the great lakes and made them usable for fish-farming… We’re not doing that.
      We’re focused on making it a “renewable resource” so you can flush your toilet into the fishbowl, and “dinner” will be full-grown by the time you get back from work, and asexually laid eggs which will hatch by morning so you can do it again tomorrow…

      If it CAN be abused – IT WILL BE. That is how government works.
      George Washington (and Thomas Jefferson, and John Adams, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and even Benjamin Franklin) all proved this. Franklin being one of the first oligarchs, yet never being President. Best example, from Poor Richard’s almanac, was his aphorism, “Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise.” But from my readings – he never followed that teaching! He was out partying and whoring and shmoozing, and EVERYONE in the upper crust KNEW it.
      But they didn’t read Poor Richard’s almanac as the Common Man did. Common Man read it as if it were Barron’s Financial; The Elite read it as if it were The Enquirer…

      (If you can confirm Franklin’s personal schedule, feel free to educate me – I have to get to work, dammit! 😉 wikipedia doesn’t give much detail here.)

      • One little tweak here. GM, as practiced by Monsanto and the rest of Big Agra, is most frequently done to allow the use of herbicides such as glyphosphate (aka Roundup) to be used on crops it would normally kill.
        Glyphosphate residue levels in some foods are MANY times what the EPA used to allow (although they are not trustworthy either). Don’t believe me, ask Dr. Mercola.
        As for the problem with factory-farmed animals, it is in the fatty acids. Feed a steer grain instead of the grass, etc., his digestive tract is best suited for, and for all practical purposes you have turned him into a pig. The ratio of Omega 6 to Omega 3 is way out of whack. Same thing for ‘farm-raised’ salmon. Grass-fed beef has a much better Omega 3 – 6 ratio than ‘farmed’ salmon. But better yet is wild Pacific salmon – even out of a can.
        Years ago I was listening to a show on Christian talk radio. The guest was trying to explain the dietary laws of the Torah as having practical origins. Catfish, not having scales, is not kosher. He claimed that was because they are scavengers – as if a bass is any less of a scavenger. But he did have a good answer for the lady that called in and asked, if that were so, why was it not acceptable to eat farm-raised catfish.
        “Have you ever read the label on a bag of Catfish Chow? First ingredient listed is poultry litter.”

    • Had a LONG, and good, if a little rpeachy, response…
      It’s disappeared into the ether somehow.

      Quick summary:
      – Few studies done on GMOs last longer than 90 days.
      – The one stufy that DID last longer researching GMOs has been ripped apart – in part, by the journal that published it, which ahs a Monsanto ex-employee running part of the magazine.
      – The results aren’t particulalry statistically useful due to small sample size, but if the results held for larger “statistically relevant” populations? GMO is poison.
      – Cancer rates in US doesn’t appear to be increasing. Nor in the world. (I leave you to google this one.)
      – I hate the idea of having only a few LARGE suppliers of ANYTHING. But especially food stuffs, whether processed or raw or feed. It lends itself to corruption, including as corrupting the “pristine” non-GMO stuff. No intent needed…
      – Also, there are immense fines for keeping seed from one year to the next, or having GMO traces in your current crop, if you didn’t buy the GMO seeds. Monsanto is allowed to check, to protect its “intellectual Property.”
      – I believe in “make haste slowly” when it comes to such things.
      – We could work on making human life better. We don’t.
      – We could work on making plants better in a controlled situation, then testing them until proven safe, THEN bring them to market. We don’t.
      – There are enough barriers to entry that gene research isn’t exactly something you can do in our spare time in your garage.
      – The people running the world today are animals, just like those of us “in the pen.” Except they seek dollars without regard to sense. And we don’t challenge the Alphas.
      – At the same time, there is an excessive fear now against things that could be GOOD, that come from this. Because of the unknowns, especially the diseases we see increasing. Diseases of civilization.

      Ill make a counterpoint here:
      “Let’s hope these Green Tyrants are unable to force this gene genie back into his bottle. And enable the PTB to bring back the days of hunger games and rampant starvation to large regions of the defenseless developing world.”

      Gree Tyrants are part of the problem, yes. Mllions still die every year from malaria. but you can’t make DDT anywhere in the world to combat the effing mosquitos, courtesy of Mss Rachel Carson. NO science there, just FEAR mongering.

      No difference here, and though I’m against GMO in our foods, it’s due to careless/lousy direction (money first, testing rarely, no long-term studies except a profitability / sunsetting study). And we’re looking at all sorts of potential issues developing in healthy humans. Liver, kidney failure; cancers of bladder, lungs, skin, which may or may not be part of the food genome changes.

      “Let’s be clear about the science here. Genetic modification of foods is a powerful technology that can be incredibly beneficial. The recent development of salmon that can grow faster is an example: these salmon (developed by a company called AquaBounty) will make fish farming more efficient, and thereby help preserve the perilously endangered wild fish species in our oceans. On the other hand, GM technology can be used, as Monsanto has done, simply to allow farmers to use more pesticides, which doesn’t seem to benefit anyone other than the pesticide producers. It’s unfortunate that Monsanto’s behavior has been used as an excuse to give all GMOs a bad name.”

      As if anyone cares about the “endangered fish in our oceans”! They want to keep US under CONTROL. I believe I posted the efficiency apartments TPTB would like us to live in – 300 square feet?
      Have you ever seen the factory-farming methods used in fish farming? It makes chickens seem humanely treated, especially when you realize the fish are fed shit. LITERALLY.

      so the toilet of that efficiency? Bet you it flushes into the fish tank, so that dinner has something to eat. that would be the ideal… asexually-reproducing home-grown “fish” that spawns an egg each day before becoming dinner…. the fry is born that evening, grows to be a 1/4 pound of protein for tomorrow’s dinner….

      Bet you the Plutarchs will still have their Maine Lobster flown in fresh, though, and it won’t be from a factory farm…

      We need to remember, it’s not IF things will be abused- it’s HOW, and HOW BADLY.
      That’s the role of gov’t. to pervert and destroy any semblance of a functioning society, so it has MORE problems to “fix” – and thus more control and power to gain.
      It is Ouroboros.

      the mroe it eats, the bigger it gets, the hungrier it gets, the mroe it eats… Exponential growth at least.

      Adding limited suppliers into the mix is a sure recipe for disaster (Ouroboros is a model for every organization… God I sound like a Black Flag type…)

      • In a better world, where property rights were respected, if a farmer wanted to save seed, as his family had been doing for generations, and discovered that it had been cross-pollinated with GM, and was thus, in his view, contaminated, HE would be able to sue Monsanto (or ADM, Cargill or whomever) for trespass and pollution.

  4. Not sure of General Semantics’ branch or MOS. He’s the CO of Colonel Cathcart, Major Major, and Captain Yossarian. In charge of the FORCES OF LOGIC and ARMIES OF REASON’s major offensive to finally drop Catch-22, accept the unforced error, and get on with The Game.

    According to Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, which is base on GS, the core dysfunctional philosophies in a person’s evaluative emotional and behavioral belief system, are also very likely to contribute to unrealistic, arbitrary and crooked inferences and distortions in thinking.

    REBT therefore first teaches that when people in an insensible and devout way overuse absolutistic, dogmatic and rigid “shoulds”, “musts”, and “oughts”, they tend to disturb and upset themselves.

    Regarding cognitive-affective-behavioral processes in mental functioning and dysfunctioning:

    “REBT assumes that human thinking, emotion, and action are not really separate or disparate processes, but that they all significantly overlap and are rarely experienced in a pure state.

    Much of what we call emotion is nothing more nor less than a certain kind — a biased, prejudiced, or strongly evaluative kind — of thought. But emotions and behaviors significantly influence and affect thinking, just as thinking influences emotions and behaviors.

    Evaluating is a fundamental characteristic of human organisms and seems to work in a kind of closed circuit with a feedback mechanism: First, perception biases response, and then response tends to bias subsequent perception. Also, prior perceptions appear to bias subsequent perceptions, and prior responses appear to bias subsequent responses. What we call feelings almost always have a pronounced evaluating or appraisal element.”

    REBT proposes that many of these self-defeating cognitive, emotive and behavioral tendencies are both innately biological and indoctrinated early on and throughout life, and further grow stronger as a person continually revisits, clings and acts on them.

    In both REBT and general semantics it is demonstrated the central role of irrational beliefs in self-defeating tendencies, as a significant modern influence on this thinking.

    REBT focuses on changing the current evaluations and philosophical thinking-emoting and behaving in relation to themselves, others, and to the conditions under which you currently live.

    Psychological dysfunction
    One of the main pillars of REBT is that irrational and dysfunctional ways and patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving are contributing to human disturbance and emotional and behavioral self-defeatism and social defeatism. REBT generally teaches that when people turn flexible preferences, desires and wishes into grandiose, absolutistic and fatalistic dictates, this tends to contribute to disturbance and upsetness.

    There are three core beliefs or philosophies that humans tend to disturb themselves through:

    1 “I absolutely MUST, under practically all conditions and at all times, perform well (or outstandingly well) and win the approval (or complete love) of significant others. If I fail in these important—and sacred—respects, that is awful and I am a bad, incompetent, unworthy person, who will probably always fail and deserves to suffer.”

    1B Holding this belief when faced with adversity tends to contribute to feelings of anxiety, panic, depression, despair, and worthlessness.

    2 “Other people with whom I relate or associate, absolutely MUST, under practically all conditions and at all times, treat me nicely, considerately and fairly. Otherwise, it is terrible and they are rotten, bad, unworthy people who will always treat me badly and do not deserve a good life and should be severely punished for acting so abominably to me.”

    2BHolding this belief when faced with adversity tends to contribute to feelings of anger, rage, fury, and vindictiveness.

    3 “The conditions under which I live absolutely MUST, at practically all times, be favorable, safe, hassle-free, and quickly and easily enjoyable, and if they are not that way it’s awful and horrible and I can’t bear it. I can’t ever enjoy myself at all. My life is impossible and hardly worth living.”

    3B Holding this belief when faced with adversity tends to contribute to frustration and discomfort, intolerance, self-pity, anger, depression, and to behaviors such as procrastination, avoidance, and inaction.

    REBT commonly posits that at the core of irrational beliefs there often are explicit or implicit rigid demands and commands, and that extreme derivatives like awfulizing, frustration intolerance, people deprecation and over-generalizations are accompanied by these.

  5. T-rex of dinosaur comics discusses General Semantics.

    got damn General Semanticist

    Buckminister Fuller lecture on semantics at San Quentin Prison

    The Tyranny of Words,%20Stuart%20-%20Tyranny%20Of%20Words.pdf

    Economics wanders in a veritable jungle of abstract terms. Here is a sample of the flora:

    capital; capitalism
    wages; the iron law of wages
    purchasing power
    production; distribution
    interest; the long-term interest rate
    profit the profit system
    money: the gold standard
    credit; debt; savings; securities
    inflation; deflation; reflation
    value; wealth
    the law of diminishing returns
    the entrepreneur
    the economic man
    free competition; the free market
    the law of supply and demand
    cost; income
    price levels
    marginal utility
    monopoly; the trusts
    individualism; business
    socialism; public ownership
    the consumer; the producer
    the standard of living

    Some of these terms are useful short cuts provided one does not objectify them. But if one employs them without being conscious of abstracting, they acquire a fictitious existence. Some have no discoverable referents. ‘Value’, for instance, is as elusive as ‘the Omnipotent’.

    Some have referents very difficult to locate: ‘capitalism’, ‘individualism’, ‘inflation’, ‘credit’, ‘money’, ‘business’. Some have referents easier to locate, provided one makes the effort to find them.

    To illustrate the possible confusion, a General Semanticist might prepare a list of nearly meaningless questions in economics:

    1. Does capital produce wealth?
    2. Is the consumer more important than the producer?
    3. What is a reasonable profit?
    4. Is man by nature co-operative or competitive?
    5. Is fascism a kind of capitalism?
    6. What is a classless society?
    7. What is the American standard of living?
    8. Are capital and labour partners?
    9. Are we headed for inflation?
    10. Is decentralization better than centralization?

    Aristotlean Logicians are likely not up to the task of defining all these terms and answering all these question satisfactorily. Binary logic of course continues to occupy the primary position in rational thought. But it becomes clearer that facility with something like General Semantics is needed to deal with all the complexity and ambiguity that has arisen in our modern culture.

    • You got questions? I got answers.
      1. Does capital produce wealth?
      Not by itself.
      2. Is the consumer more important than the producer?
      No, both are required
      3. What is a reasonable profit?
      Whatever the buyer and seller agree on.
      4. Is man by nature co-operative or competitive?
      5. Is fascism a kind of capitalism?
      No, it is socialist. Any diversion from the free market is socialism of some type.
      6. What is a classless society?
      One without public schools.
      7. What is the American standard of living?
      70+ years
      8. Are capital and labour partners?
      They should be.
      9. Are we headed for inflation?
      No, we are there.
      10. Is decentralization better than centralization?

      • Love it. Had a smile thru every answer. Here’s a diagram*

        Please believe, I don’t mean this as any kind of nihilism. Think of GS as a kind of calculus of language and communication science for use with non-regimented fellow humans of free will. In the same way calculus or topology doesn’t negate arithmetic or geometry. General Semantics doesn’t negate classical or consensus semantics.

        European Society for General Semantics

        Assignment In Eternity Robert Heinlein

        Ideally we say “to each his own.” And that works if one class is unable to impose their will on another class. In true laissez faire, true “to each his own” any systems that were illegitimate would die out. They wouldn’t be able to make a go of it because their axioms or premises were flawed. Or because they were lacking in necessary skills and levels of productivity.

        But we all know that there is imposition. And likely will continue to be such.

        The current fashion, to account for this is polylogism. The belief that looters, moochers, and ghetto blacks use an alternate and inferior reasoning method. That blacks, Japanese, jews, are fundamentally unequal, and can’t even reason with each other. They’ll each just try to get the advantage.

        We can coexist with the Chinese, but we need a defensive border to protect ourselves from them. They’re incompatible with us, and we would never survive if we weren’t forcibly segregated from them.

        General Semantics makes a convincing case that it doesn’t need to be that way. That blacks, Japanese, Jews and other disparate populations can learn to see things through each others eyes.

        By learning to describe the same territory using different maps, we can attain a kind of universal wisdom. If we can understand a simple concept say “breakfast” as a universal abstraction known everywhere on earth with different maps, we can begin to understand that despite it all, we’re all just people.

        This will further isolate the statists and central planners. They are unable to function well unless everyone adopts the same map. And describes the same territory in a standardized simplified way. Voluntarists don’t need to do that, and that can be our advantage.

        That can be the achilles heel that allows us to transcend authoritarian modes of reasoning and allow us to enjoy freedom in our own time. In our own way. They either need to force everyone to think and behave one way. Or enforce borders and culture segregations so that each man willingly divides himself into groups, and holds that each group has by nature (or creates for itself by choice) its own distinctive method of inference based on its own distinctive logical laws.

        This is what has led to our absurd world. The end result of forced polylogisms is that inferences that are entirely logical for one group are entirely illogical for some other group.

        Under General Semantics widely understood, there is room enough in the world for Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Dictatorships, Monarchies, Socialisms, Communisms, Democracies, Republics, Labourisms, Nationalisms, Anarchies, Libertarinisms, Individualisms, and Collectivisms.

        The NAP need only apply between each of these divisions. A single culture built on NAP is possible under General Semantics, but it is not required.

        Rather than the old PTB forcibly creating Soviet Men. Under voluntarily selected General Semantics, each of us who so chooses become parts of a new leaderless PTB. A critical mass of skilled peaceful Empathetic Men able to understand anyone and any natural or manmade phenomena in both a Sane and Scientific manner.

        Review – Assignment In Eternity

        You’re Not As Smart As You Could Be – David G. Wittels

        *”Silent and Verbal Levels” diagram. The arrows and boxes denote ordered stages in human neuro-evaluative processing that happens in an instant. Although newer knowledge in biology has more sharply defined what the text in these 1946 boxes labels “electro-colloidal,” the diagram remains, satisfactory for our purpose of explaining briefly the most general and important points.

        General semantics postulates that most people “identify,” or fail to differentiate the serial stages or “levels” within their own neuro-evaluative processing. Most people identify in value levels I, II, III, and IV and react as if our verbalizations about the first three levels were ‘it.’ Whatever we may say something ‘is’ obviously is not the ‘something’ on the silent levels.

        By making it a ‘mental’ habit to find and keep one’s bearings among the ordered stages, general semantics training seeks to sharpen internal orientation much as a GPS device may sharpen external orientation.

        Once trained, general semanticists affirm, a person will act, respond, and make decisions more appropriate to any given set of happenings. Although producing saliva constitutes an appropriate response when lemon juice drips onto the tongue, a person has inappropriately identified when an imagined lemon or the word “l–e–m–o–n” triggers a salivation response.


    The world is what it is. We can make all kinds of maps and models of how the world works, and some of them can be very useful, and we can talk about them with great benefit. But the models and maps and any words we put together can never do more than approximate the actual world or the actual phenomena being examined. The actual territory is beyond verbal description.

    As humans we make abstractions all the time. An “abstraction”, is any mind creation that simplifies, condenses, or symbolizes what is going on in order to better talk about it or think about it.

    Watching these videos of cops inappropriately interacting with motorists helps us better understand what world we really inhabit. Even if we aren’t able to categorize this footage with the usual pre-fabricated abstractions.

    Having seen these videos, now when we drive down the street, and experience events taking place. We become more acutely aware that our perceptions in themselves constitute an abstraction.

    Because we’ve seen horrendous things that have no words, or have only inadequate words. We better empathize with different people who might experience the same events differently, depending on where they perceive it from and how their perceptions work.

    We absorb the new sensory data by adjusting our notions of what is science and what is sanity. We now know any verbal description will never be more than a portion of what went on, passed through certain filters of perception. And in so doing we enter a new realm of freedom.

    We know we will record certain sights, sounds, feelings and so forth, which will form our representations of any given event. I might then start describing what I experienced and that will abstract it further. I could say “I saw two cars, a blue Ford going west and a green Honda going east, and the blue car was going to turn left, but then the green car swerved out of its way and hit it”.

    My description of a Russian dashcam video might give somebody else an idea of what went on, but really it is a very imprecise approximation of what I actually perceived, which is again an imprecise approximation of what actually went on. The next day I might create a further abstraction by simply saying that I saw “an unbelieveable accident” on the internet the other day.

    If somebody took my verbal description of this accident as WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, then all kinds of mistakes might come out of that. But if one always realizes that it is only a map, and that different maps might be drawn for the same territory, then it becomes much easier to reconcile differences.

    Continuing to live and thrive in the world of science and sanity, regardless of what new sensory data we are exposed to, is a competitive advantage. Whatever one can say about something isn’t it. Whatever you can say about a computer keypad is NOT a computer keypad. The computer keypad is what it is, something fundamentally unspeakable. IF that is recognized, IF we remain scientific and sane, then language, models, and new technologies are of couse very useful in daily life.


    In the old world of Greece. And even in the recent world of Fred Reed’s high school days. All that was needed was binary logic. Aristotelean logic was the most common two-valued logic. Back then, this meant that any proposition is either “right” or “wrong”.

    This goes together with “elementalism” which is the placing of sharp divisions between things. For example, to talk about ’emotion’ and ‘intellect’ as being fundamentally different and separate things.

    This species of Heinleinian logic is infinite-valued and non-elementalistic. The “non-elementalistic” means that there are no finite identifications of what things ARE, or sharp divisions between what different things ARE.

    Infinite-valued means that any proposition is best examined in degrees of qualities or probabilities.

    For example, if I want to choose between going to the movies or staying home, I can add up the different factors involved. If I go to the movies I might experience something new, and looking in the paper I might add up the probability for seeing a good movie. But also I have to go out in the traffic, which is crawling with cops on patrol and deadly careening clovers.

    Going out means I have to spend some money which I have a limited amount of. If I stay home, I save time and money, and there is a probability that I can relax more, but I might also get bored. Adding up all these factors as to how probable it is that they are pleasurable, easy, economical, new, or whatever my criteria are, would add up to a decision taken based on infinity-valued logic.

    Under infinite-values, no answer, model, action, or person is simply “right” or “wrong”. There are always many factors involved. Some pull in one direction, some pull in another. One would look at all those factors, look at their relationships, and add up the maximum probability for whatever one is looking for, and make one’s choice based on that.

    This infinity-valued principle applies in many different areas. For example, Heinlein’s prose demonstrates the “multi-ordinality” of terms. That means that words don’t just have one right meaning. Words and symbols have different meanings to different people, and different meanings in different contexts. A word or sentence in itself doesn’t necessarily say anything finite, unless you find out what it is linked up with.

    Heinlein also creates stories about infinity-valued causality. That is, we can’t just finitely say that one specific thing is causing another. Any event has many “causes” and many “effects”. We have to take it all into consideration if we wish to claim to examine the whole situation.

    What Heinlein envisioned in his novels with his use of Korzybski’s General Semantics was that people could be trained in relating to the world in more fluid infinity-valued ways so that we can avoid all the human aberrations and misunderstandings that come out of taking limited maps too seriously.

    Most disagreements, arguments, fights, and wars come out of the failure to recognize all factors, all views, and from relying on maps of reality that don’t correspond to what is actually going on. People argue based on their own maps and fail to realize that others use different maps. When that gets cleared up and together we look at reality, then most conflicts evaporate.

    The Utopia of Heinlein exists entirely within ourselves. We can integrate the benefits of having experienced the trips to the stars he described into our life philosophy, even before we build a single permanent outpost outside the Earth’s gravity well.


    The human mind includes mechanisms that are part of the problem. Heinlein portrayed many ‘semantic reactions’ in his stories, which is when one reacts based on the consciously or sub-consciously perceived “meaning” of an event, rather than based on the event itself.

    For example, Mannie comes home from work and gives his wife flowers and she gets angry with him. She might assume that he gives her flowers because he has something to hide and it really means that he is having an affair, and she gets mad because of that. Maybe Mannie just wanted to be nice, or there was a sale on flowers.

    Semantic reactions sometimes make it difficult to have rational and constructive interactions between people.

    Each of us training ourselves to recognize and overcome semantic reactions in ourselves and others, could form the basis of more sane and rational interactions and activities between consenting voluntaryist people.

    See Alfred Korzybski: “Science and Sanity – an introduction to non-aristotelean systems and general semantics”: International Society for General Semantics: for more on this subject.

    • An object lesson about “our freedoms” – and those who enforce them. You are free to do as you’re told.

      The enforcers are contemptuous of any who disobey – or even express reluctance to immediately obey – “lawful orders.”

    • Yeah, one wonders: How many DUIs followed this detainment?

      THIS sort of shit (and the undercover cops in VA, who reported on and arrested patrons who went to their cars from the bar… For DUI, mind, even one who wasn’t going anywhere, IE, went to the car to get something – unclear on whether or not he was sitting in the driver’s seat, but shouldn’t matter) THIS is why I CANNOT stomach pigs.

      Enforcing immoral laws, for the wrong reasons, in the wrong ways, to pad the official budget…
      But the sheep do nothing, so FTAFTFH.

      OTOH, if I had a weapon and passed by, I’d be tempted to give piggy something to worry about. Make sure they DON’T go home.
      As an outsider, though – wouldn’t know if it’s legit or not, so it’s just voicing anger now… Don’t want to kill the wrong people. 😛

      That no one from inside the bar bothered to disabuse the piggy’s of their power trip makes me wonder even more… THAT will be the tipping point, though I’m certain that the event would be reported as, “Dangerous suspect attempts to flee police, killed in shootout outside bar.”
      Or something similar – IE, spin after the fact would justify their illegal actions prior to the violence.

      It’s why I’d rather (passively) support even lunatics like the guy in PA, who killed one trooper, wounded another, seemingly “just because.” I wouldn’t actively help – yet – but I wouldn’t turn him in either. We need details and I haven’t even heard it mentioned since the first day… Funny, that, Dorner there was a wealth of details right away. This time? Nothing. Crickets. Smells of false flag that way… wonder if we’ll find him “caught” and executed somewhere? Maybe burned to death, maybe he’s drugged up in some FEMA camp, etc? He’ll be rolled back out to get “caught” in some politically-expedient spectacle? (sigh)

      No one even wants to question it…


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