Storage Cubby “Criminals”

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You may be aware that cops can simply steal – yes, that’s exactly the correct word – cash found on your person or in your vehicle, in the course of a traffic stop, say – solely on account of it being an “excessive” amount.

“Excessive” being entirely up to them to define.

It could be $10,000 – or $1,000. There is no specific amount of cash defined by statute that crosses a legal threshold. Thus, one cannot know ahead of time not to carry, say, $5,000 – but $500 is ok.

It is enough that a government worker with a gun considers whatever cash you are found to have in your possession “excessive.”

And these armed government workers can legally steal it from you on the basis of the cash being the presumptive – but not proved – fruits of some illegal activity, usually imputed to be the selling or buying of arbitrarily illegal drugs.

This bears repeating – it need not be proved in a court of law that the money found was obtained illegally.

It is not even necessary to formally charge a person to legally steal their money – provided the thief is an armed government worker stealing it on behalf of the government.

Interestingly, these armed government workers prefer to be called law enforcement, even when they aren’t enforcing any known laws and are in fact abusing the law  – it being legal to possess cash and transport cash. This of course matters not at all when armed government workers decide they want your cash. Then, they just take it.

That is, steal it.

How else to describe it?

And you are powerless – legally – to do a thing about it.

Perhaps, later – at your expense, both of time and money – you will be able to prove your innocence of drug trafficking to the satisfaction of a judge and he may return your money. But it is no longer necessary for a court to establish your guilt.

This is not new – or news.

Here is something that’s both:

It has been proposed that if an armed government worker finds a “hidden compartment” in your vehicle, you be sent to prison for two years and your vehicle forfeit to the state. Nothing illegal need be in the hidden compartment. It is sufficient merely that it exists.

“Presumptive”  evidence that you are trying to hide something.

Like an “excessive” amount of cash, say?

The irony is sickening.

On the one hand, the state has de facto (but not de jure) criminalized the physical possession of “excessive” amounts of cash. This fact makes it risky as hell to – as a for-instance – go to look at a used car with an “excessive” amount of cash on your person – even though used car shopping with cash (a reasonable thing to do; the sight of cash on the barrelhead often helping to facilitate a good deal on the vehicle) is still perfectly legal.

So, you install a hidden compartment to hide the cash from the armed government workers. Now you are to be sent to prison for that – even if no legal cash is found and no trace of arbitrarily illegal drugs is found.

The cubby itself is now criminal!

The proposed law (see here) defines the mere presence of a “hidden compartment” as “prima facie evidence” that a car is being used as a mechanical mule to cart around illegal drugs – or legal but “excessive” cash.  

That’s all the pretext they need to steal your car – and your person. Two years in prison (five, for a “second offense”) solely because your vehicle is found to have a “hidden compartment.”

Many of which are factory installed, by the way.

One of the potential horrors of this business is the fact that many new cars – especially SUVs but also ordinary sedans – have “hidden compartments” built in, for the entirely crazy reason that people like to put valuable things – and not just cash – in an out-of-sight place.

A legally owned handgun, for example.

Do you suppose there is any chance of high IQ and always fair and reasonable armed government workers being familiar with the various factory installed “hidden compartments” – and able to tell the difference between one of those and one installed by an owner?

Do you suppose the same armed government workers who routinely steal people’s lawfully possessed cash merely by eructing the magic word – “excessive!” – which is defined in no law book anywhere – will fail to seize a juicy $40,000 vehicle when they find a “hidden compartment” – whether installed by you or General Motors?

Remember: It is not required that you be charged or convicted for the state to seize your money. It is up to you and me to prove – after the fact – that the money didn’t come into our possession via illegal drugs.

Sentence first – verdict afterward!

Worse than that, actually. Because it’s just sentence. No verdict necessary.

It is not hyperventilative – given this ugly reality – to imagine that it will be up to us to prove that a factory-installed “hidden compartment” was in fact installed by GM – and not by us.

After our $40,000 vehicle has been taken from us. Perhaps from our prison cell.

And why the hell should it be a felony to install a “hidden compartment” in our vehicles, if we wish to do so? There are reasonable, lawful reasons for wanting to have such compartments.

Up to this moment, the government decreed modifications to a vehicle to be illegal only if they affected the emissions output or safety of the vehicle – or the safety of other people. So, as an example, it is not legal to remove a catalytic converter or mount aircraft landing lights on the roof a car. But a “hidden compartment” does not harm the environment and threatens no one’s safety – and unless something illegal is found in the “hidden compartment,” criminalizing the compartment itself is a blinding assault on whatever threadbare remnants of personal liberty remain to us.

The precedent set could easily be expanded to our homes. Why not? What possible reason would stand in the way?

Does anyone care?

Americans should be in the streets. They should have been in the streets years ago. But that would take Americans who take exception to being robbed in the streets by armed government workers – and such Americans don’t seem to exist anymore.

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166 COMMENTS

  1. Eric,
    FWIW, I’m getting the following 50 to 80% of the time, and it always dumps anything I’m trying to load:-(

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    • Hi Bill,

      This happens to me as well. Now I take the very easy precaution of performing a control C command before I post the comment. Then, if the comment disappears, I still have it.

      Kind Regards,
      Jeremy

        • Hi Bill,

          I use a Macbook Air and a number of PC’s. For me the command is Command C for my Mac and Control C for my PC’s. You need to highlight the text first. But, once done, the text will stay in the ether until you perform another control/command C action. Basically, it’s the first part of a cut and paste operation. If my text disappears, I can just perform the paste part of the function in a new dialog box.

          Jeremy

  2. skunkbear,
    It makes zero sense to complain about the condition of a government that you obviously have never cared about anyway.

    • Actually it makes perfect sense to complain about any government that denies me my basic Natural Law Rights. It is for this reason that I owe no loyalty to it.

        • Hi Bill,

          Legally limited government is a fiction, impossible in theory and practice. All governments are limited in the sense that they are constrained by available resources and the willingness of the people to accept intrusion upon those resources. But, an institution that claims the sole right to judge its’ own actions relative to the law exists, by definition, outside of and above the law.

          A distinction needs to be made between legal and criminal, as you seem to use the terms interchangeably. I define a criminal act as one that violates the rights of others. An illegal act is one that violates a statute. I recognize that the “law” does not recognize this distinction, but most people do.

          If we are to take the concept of “legitimate” government seriously, most of what government does is illegitimate and criminal. The founders, who you seem to admire, believed that the just powers of government derive from the people. In essence, the people delegate a portion of their own just authority to the State in exchange for order and protection. The problem is that the government claims the authority to behave in ways that no individual could justly claim. For instance, no individual can justly claim the right to break into a neighbors house, kidnap the owners son, and put him in a cage for smoking dope. Yet, the government does claim this authority. From where does this authority come? Certainly the action is legal because the government has declared it so. But, it is unjust and criminal nevertheless.

          As for statutes that allow the government to break the “law”, they are numerous. Kidnapping and false imprisonment are illegal, yet the above scenario is common. Stealing is illegal, yet asset forfeiture laws not only allow, but encourage theft. Please note that conviction of a “crime” is not a requirement for the government to “legally” steal your car, money, house, business, etc… Rico statutes allow the government to seize money given to defense attorneys in a criminal trial, does this not violate the “law”.

          Right now, members of congress are proposing a law that would make it a felony offense to boycott Israel. The Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720) allows the government to imprison people for up to 20 years and fine them up to one million dollars for the “crime” of choosing not to do business with Israeli companies. Does this not violate the “law”?

          Governments routinely break laws supposedly enacted to constrain them and create statutes that unambiguously allow the government to break laws that apply to us.

          Kind Regards,
          Jeremy

            • Hi Bill,

              Nor do I. But, I was also responding to this statement of yours: “Kindly cite the specific black letter law where it specifically requires crimes to be committed”.

              I listed a few examples of current law that, if enforced, require the violation of other laws. I’d be interested in your thoughts.

              Kind Regards,
              Jeremy

              • Jeremy,
                I don’t see a list anywhere.
                ” The Israel Anti-Boycott Act (S. 720) allows the government to imprison people for up to 20 years and fine them up to one million dollars for the “crime” of choosing not to do business with Israeli companies. Does this not violate the ‘law’?” This is a bill, not a law. I’m not sure how they would know that anyone refused to do business with Israeli companies if they weren’t stupid enough to admit it.
                Marbury v. Madison is the standard for dealing with laws that violate the Constitution, but it isn’t self-enforcing. One would have to obtain cert before the Court to vet it. “Thus, the particular phraseology of the constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions, that a law repugnant to the constitution is void; and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument.”

                • Hi Bill,

                  Here’s the list:

                  Federal drug laws (nowhere authorized in the Constitution and prohibited by the 10th Amendment), allow the government to kidnap and imprison people. Both of which are crimes if done by us.

                  Asset forfeiture laws allow the government to steal property without due process of law according to the Constitution (amendment 4).

                  Rico statutes allow the government to seize funds already given to an attorney for the purpose of defense which has the effect of denying legal counsel (amendment 6).

                  The proposed law (which will probably be passed) explicitly targets people for supporting an Israeli boycott. This answers your question as to why some people would admit it; they wish to express an opinion (amendment 1).

                  Kind Regards,
                  Jeremy

                • Bill, why should it be a crime for individuals to decide who they do business with or not? (I will listen to an argument for during times of war against trading with an actual enemy but this is clearly not the case.)

                  Especially with Israel. Why should anyone be locked up for not agreeing with and refusing to support Zionism?

                  • SB,

                    The bill currently in the house is so blatantly a violation of the 1st amendment, I do not see it being on books long as the ACLU has stated it will fill suit immediately. Why? because the bill violates more than one amendment. The 1st for abridgement of political speech. The 8th against cruel and unusual punishment. I’d argue that a fine of 1 million dollars and 20 years in prison for bad mouthing Israel is such.

                    That sack of sheite nation doesn’t need that kind of law here. If it passes and isn’t challenged then the people in the uS will know who their rightful masters are and it dang sure isn’t Donald the dumb.

                    Additionally, I note that no where in the 1st amendment does it allow an exemption for times of war.

                    NoneYa

                    P.S., Yeah, Yeah, I know the Supreme Law of the Land is TP these days….

                    • One way to fight the Chosen’s Conspiracies that have crippled our minds is to better put historical events in linear context.

                      Learn to think of historical years in 5 significant figures, not 4.

                      With 5 significant figure reckoning – The year is 12017. Not 2017.

                      The War of Northern Aggression ended in 11865 not 1865.

                      Rome was founded in the year 9247, not 753 BC (Before Christian Cuck Time.)

                      The use of iron became widespread in the year 8900 (RedPill Time)

                      The mammoth went extinct in the year 7500.

                      The first (Proto European) dynasty of Egypt was formed in the year 6900.

                      The first cat was domesticated in the year 2517.

                      One of the ways we’re kept in a mental box, is to not be able to integrate things less than 2 millennia ago because of our ridiculous time reckoning system.

                    • Noneya, do not disagree with you at all except to say that perhaps you are underestimating the incredible power the Israeli lobbyists (read: Israeli government) have over the US government and its Zionist lickspittles.

                      Doncha know that the “except for Israel” clause is right there in the US Constitution. If you cannot see it then you must be an evil anti-Semite.

        • Bill, Natural Law Rights are not the fiction. They are the only moral and therefore Just laws because they are universal to every human being.

          It is the US Constitution that is the actual thing of fiction. First, it was never designed, as most people think, to protect individual rights. Second, it was never intended to limit government and that is why we have the Leviathan we have today.

          • Natural Law was well summarized by Aristotle 2500 years ago. He was summarizing Western principles some of which date back to the foundation of Western Civilization itself.

            Before the term Science became weaponized in the battles of Identity Politics.

            Natural Law and Natural Philosophy(universe, nature, science, and technology) were all seen as the same family of percepts which all learned men were intimately familiar with.

            • Tor, indeed. I would argue that most if not all of man’s problems stem from man rejecting Natural Philosophy and thus violating Natural Law.

              • One key for success is we each listen to the merits of each others reasonable arguments, whether we agree with them or not.

                Disagreements can escalate quickly, the key is we work diligently to find some kind of harmony or at least truce and demilitarized conversation zone so we can all keep talking to each other.

                I think our IQ is clearly above average. So too our TQ technical abilities and real world productive competence.

                What might be an opportunity for growth is our average emotional intelligence quotient aka EQ.

                Because we have so few females, and other reasons us guys have got to pick up the slack and develop above average emotional intellects as well.

                Natural Philosophy in the Renaissance

                Plato was regarded as a theologian and master of the metaphysical realities, Aristotle was seen as an investigator of the sublunar world subject to generation and corruption.

                The recovery of this ancient dichotomy had the effect of undermining the longstanding ties between Aristotelianism and Scholasticism, and opened up new spaces for philosophy unimpaired by metaphysical limitations.

                At the same time. Platonism and other brands of ancient philosophy—Stoicism, Skepticism, and Epicureanism—stimulated reflection on the natural world in new and different ways.

                The application of these ideas to various fields of inquiry gave Renaissance natural thought a distinctive identity, and represented the driving force behind Renaissance philosophy of nature, both because of its plurality of approaches and internal debates, and also because it served as the polemical target of those who challenged the traditional paradigms of country club university teaching.
                https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/natphil-ren/#DefRenNat

    • Hi Bill,

      Why should someone “care” about any government? Some of us want no government.For the same reason we’d like no theft and no extortion and no murder. These things will probably never go away, of course. But government institutionalizes them.

      • They don’t need to be institutionalized to exist, since they have for as long as there have been crimes. They only need to be institutionalized so they can be blamed on institutions, as you are doing.

        • Hi Bill,

          Not following you.

          I agree that people – some people – will steal, commit murder (and so on). No argument. But at least I can legally defend myself against such people.

          Government, on the other hand, institutionalizes criminal actions – makes them “legal” – and resistance, self-defense, illegal.

          Government does not protect us; it corrals and enslaves us. Only the degree differs – unless you are free to say, “no thanks” to its many “offers.” And only if the government respects your right to be left in peace. That is the only constitution that’s worth more than a bucket of warm piss.

          Remember: Government is nothing more than other people. Period. And other people do not acquire special rights – much less the right to abrogate other people’s rights – merely because they have assumed titles and operate under the auspices of this figure of speech called government.

          • Eric,
            The key is that the government doesn’t institutionalize illegality in the laws, it does so in the bureaucracy and then tolerates it likewise. If we had the government that the founder gave us because our ancestors hadn’t reneged on the duty they were assigned in the Declaration to exercise the “Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”
            Why should any criminal stop committing crimes if they get no resistance to continuing? Why should we treat governmental criminals the same as we do non-governmental ones? Indeed, as Albert Einstein said, “Insanity (is) doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

            • Hi Bill,

              You wrote:

              “The key is that the government doesn’t institutionalize illegality in the laws…”

              It institutionalizes moral affronts such as theft and murder… which it redefines as “taxes” and “killed for resisting lawful authority.”

                • oy vey…

                  You are being pedantic and legalistic. I am dealing in moral distinctions. The taking by force or implied threat of same, whether by a street mugger or a government bureaucrat, is morally the same thing. Calling it “taxes” and claiming it’s ok because “we the people” voted to impose the tax is just evasion, quibbling… Talmudic parsing.

                  Do I need to elaborate further?

                  “Government” is just a rhetorical device; it has no existence beyond the people who wear the special outfits, hold special titles and claim special authority (force) over others. And here’s the thing: If you – a “conservative” – accept that it’s ok to use force/threats to coerce peaceful people for reasons you deem valid, then you have endorsed in principle the leftist’s urge to do the same thing, but for his reasons. Put another way, you no longer have any moral basis for objecting to any exercise of coercion you happen to disagree with, because you have accepted the same principle yourself.

                  … and they ask me why I drink.

                  • Moral distinctions have never translated into statute. That is why the judicial branch is necessary.
                    This is the same conversation that predominated the monthly CoLP cocktail meetings, and only way to keep government moral is to exclude the immoral from it. That requires that the immoral be excluded from electoral functions, and that, by itself is immoral. How do you exclude immorality without excluding immoral electors?

                    • Hi Bill,

                      This is more recondite lawyerly parsing.

                      I am stating that theft is theft – the taking of someone else’s property by force or its threat. Plain simple English. Whether it is “legal” taxation or “illegal” armed robbery is a distinction without any difference, morally speaking.

                      Government cannot be moral – by definition – because it rests on violence and its threat to coerce compliance with what the rulers decree. It is immaterial whether the rulers are few or many or claim to “represent” “the people.” They do not – and cannot. Unless an individual has himself freely consented to a contract or obligation, it is invalid on the face of it. And no one else can presume to consent on his behalf, without first having received specific proxy power – and that proxy applicable only to the person giving it.

                      Straight talk, plain English.

                      No one’s rights are (morally) up for a vote. The problem is that voting is precisely about that. It is inherently immoral, if those voting imagine they have a right to take other people’s things, or to coerce their obedience to various “plans.”

                • Sure it may not be written but try living without breaking at least some of the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of laws.

                  It’s road construction season here in Illinois. I invite you to drive the length of I-294 at the posted speed limit in all sections. Especially on a Sunday night.

                  • Brent,
                    Where is it written in statutes that the government should violate the law.
                    When did I-294 cease being a tollroad?

                    • There are 600 some laws in the Old Testament.

                      282 laws in the Code of Hammurabi from 3800 years ago.
                      http://avalon.law.yale.edu/ancient/hamframe.asp

                      Laws are no longer concrete, which is why you don’t see them chiseled in stone anywhere anymore.

                      There’s too many for that and they like the Humpty Dumpty option of saying laws mean exactly what they say they mean in each particular instance.

                      We are made to live an absurdst Gulag life where things have reversed.

                      Only mega corps and gov elite are safe from the Gulag. All the world of the lesser rich, middle class, and burgeoning poor classes are living in a deadly ephemeral legal Gulag of maximum dystopia.

            • Bill, “The key is that the government doesn’t institutionalize illegality in the laws, it does so in the bureaucracy and then tolerates it likewise.

              The bureaucracy is the government and the government is the bureaucracy.

              If the government did not want to tolerate it (aka allow it) then the government would stop it.

            • Bill, the CONstitutional CONvention itself was a renege by the federalists on the principles expressed in the Declaration of Independence, and was an illegal coup d’etat to replace the preexisting amendable Articles of Confederation. But neither of those governing documents were voted for by the people. Rather, a gang of wealthy clovers established a government first, then set themselves as the ‘leaders’. They created the election laws before anyone was allowed to vote, and restricted the voting rights to land owning white men. Voting rights are mostly universal now, but the government is solidly entrenched already.
              The fondling fathers purposely wrote the document in such a way that provides for death penalty for us mundanes if we rebel against the new tyrannical government, while only allowing for theorectical impeachment (read: firing) at worst for violating CONstitutional law. Indeed, the first 3 presidents violated the CONstitution without facing any meaningful consequences, and no effort was put into place to put teeth into the CONstitution.
              And finally: The government does not really exist! If you disagree with me, then please tell me where I can see and touch government. There is only a cabal of people who claim to be members of a government.

              • Brian, correct! The major goal of the coup – and that is the proper word – was to establish a central government. The banksters gave Hamilton his orders to get as big a central government as he could. Hamilton did just that knowing that while he did not get as big a federal government as he/the banksters initially wanted he had planted the seed for a future Leviathan and that the constitution itself would be used to grow it.

          • Eric,

            I know I’ve typed this before but why do you continue to answer to government paid trolls? It is obvious that Bill is a Cop Sucker Troll. No matter who answers with a legitimate example of abuse by the police, Bill ignores it.

            Let me just point out a few things.

            1) Anyone that is a member of the government is basically a hired killer or uses one by proxy. Granted most members of the government do not carry firearms but that is changing drastically.

            2) There can be no good police officers. They are, by definition, remunerated killers in place to enforce the slavery of all in the political area defined, aka city police, county sheriff, state trooper, fed agent. Most times they work together to make sure they justify their existence to the ignorant masses of which Bill is a card carrying member.

            3) Lastly any member of the government, no matter at what level, can make your life a living hell. This to the point of reducing your net worth to minus bazillions. Mostly as BrentP and others here have noted, the boobus americanus want it this way so long as it is enforced on those bad people over there. Problem is they never think they will be classified as one of the bad people and get all indignant when it does happen to them! What did they think would happen when the thugs ran out of bad people to harass, maim & kill?

            NoneYa

            • In my experience, Eric responds to trolls, even Govt ones to keep control of the narrative on his own site.

              He is clear minded enough, and assumes we too are clear enough, not to be swayed by the myriad of rhetorical fallacies that are used by the Anti-NAPsters.

              I’ve gotten use to it somewhat, but I do know what you mean by treating them as conceptual equals for the sake of a discussion. It used to make me batshit crazy sometimes to have to read their Cloverian mind droppings.

              Aristotle: It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

            • Hi None Ya,

              Your points are all exactly so; spot on. As to why do I engage people who defend government (“authority”) and so on? Several reasons:
              Some are intelligent and, even if not persuadable, debating them openly is important. It helps hone one’s own arguments and it exposes the guts of theirs, which (being based on violence) are not pretty. This is worth doing. I submit the main reason Cloverism has made the strides it has is due to evasion – the fact that most people avoid ever discussing or acknowledging the violence which underlies all of it.

              I enjoy exposing it, making them deal with it.

  3. A quarter ounce of high quality legal weed in Nevada is $120.

    Far pricier than than the $45 dollars you’d find, but certainly worth it in the long run. Unless you have a hookup that takes all the risk for you and you can keep your on hand quantity to an ounce or less.

    Certainly less than 3 oz, because that means throw away the key and take all your worldly possession out there in the Forever West, land that’s Like No Place On Earth.

    It looks like a no brainer to go West Texas an not Wyoming. Course WTX has no water and you’ll have to fork out a few thousand to get yourself a water source unless you want to live in the prole stacker grid neighborhoods that make up Van Horn and thereabouts.

    Also the South in Deep WTX you have the Rio Grande Border anarcho cartellians and fat fingered MexiTexicans who love to walk off with your Goats and break into your vehicles and basically cart away anything you leave outside that isn’t tied down and protected by a 50 Cal in a sandbagged bunker 24/7 by a Goats Gulch ride or dier.

  4. I’ve just had the second of two posts thrown away by this site today, there won’t be another to so treat:
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  5. Doug,
    You aren’t getting why I said “registered.” The registered guns are the only ones they know about, and 14 per capita is quite a few, even in the home of the brave and the land of the free. I doubt that any self-respecting federal agent would bother coming here for the same reason that s/he might have gone to Nevada. Federal plates are seldom seen in this county outside of Yellowstone.

  6. I seem to recall reading several years ago that that “law” already exists in Florida. It applies to boats, too.

  7. How long until they make it a felony to travel without your Personal Tracking Device (cellphone) or On Star type tracking system?

  8. You know, whenever a cop dies in the line of duty; I have difficulty deciding whether I should feel sad or not. America is uncivilising faster and faster.

    • I don’t mourn them; in the first place, I don’t even know them. But I do know what they do – enforce laws, including the ones they just make up.

      Such people are not my people.

      May they chew on raw fish heads, eternally.

      • Eric,
        Good cops feel just as beleaguered as honest citizens do by the position they are in, and they stay in those positions for the same reasons as anyone else who has any time or skin in the game. Since this government is supposed to be by, for, and of the people, do those who don’t participate get a walk the same way as bad cops?

        • Hi Bill,

          I would like to defend the “good cops.” I really would. But are there any such? Is it possible for there to be such? I submit that the answer is – no.

          Because they are law enforcers. And the majority of their time is occupied enforcing laws that are tyrannical by definition. To – just a few examples – enforce seatbelt laws; man probable cause-free “checkpoints”… arrest and cage people whose only “crime” is choosing to partake of some substance arbitrarily decreed to be illegal. Or to sell/buy such.

          They choose to do this.

          Which makes them very culpable and certainly not worth my sympathy.

          They are only “good” to the extent they don’t enforce the law. How many do so?

          It is the job. But no one is holding a gun to their heads to do the job. Meanwhile they are holding guns to our heads.

          Now, if we had peace keepers, I’d be among their strongest defenders.

          But that’s not what we have, is it?

          • Eric,
            I’m sorry that you choose to live in a gulag, but most of the police officers in my county are good honest people. What else would cops be if they weren’t law enforcers, dog catchers? We don’t need peace keepers unless we are in a war zone, and most of us aren’t, yet. That said, the whole reason for the mention of the militia in the Second Amendment is to point out that it, rather than police, should be doing our law enforcing. Police departments are addressed in the Third Amendment as the standing armies that they have always constituted. This is well discussed at constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

            • Hi Bill,

              That’s fine, but you didn’t answer my questions/respond to my points.

              Do these “good, honest people” you speak of man probable cause-free checkpoints and subject innocent people to interrogations and searches – however cursory or politely done?

              Do these “good, honest people” you mention enforce victimless crime laws? Put people in cages for engaging in voluntary, mutually consented-to interactions that harm no innocent third parties?

              Do they take people’s money for not “buckling up for safety?” Do “good, honest people” do such things?

              Do these “good, honest people” obtain their livelihood by peaceful, non-coercive means? Or do they use threats of violence to coerce people to support them?

              • I would like to point out that we BEG these good honest people to violate our constitution in the name of catching thugs. It isn’t their fault. It is our fault. The majority of German soldiers were good honest people. Until we stop begging them to violate our rights, they will continue.

                • JOhnny,
                  What part of their oath to support and protect the Constitution allows them to obey an unconstitutional order without recourse?
                  Nuremberg proved this defense was worthless in Germany.

                  • Hi Bill,

                    The Constitution – specifically, the Bill of Rights – is a nullity, an irrelevance.

                    In particular the 4th, 5th and 10th Amendments.

                  • I don’t think municipal cops take an oath to defend the Constitution. In any case they are trained to follow the Supreme Courts rulings that give them so many ways around the warrant requirement it is meaningless. Yes, it is the courts fault. Also, the Constitution either allows the Supremes to do away with its meaning, or it is incapable of stopping it, and in either case, it is worthless document.

                    • JOhnny,
                      They may not take an oath to protect and defend the national constitution, but they almost certainly take one to their state’s constitution, which is required to provide a republican form of government in the national constitution.
                      Many state constitutions have better written rights protections.
                      Could a worthless document be merely so to those who want it to go away so they won’t have to obey it, which smacks of treason to me. Are you a silent celler?

                    • Bill, the constitution is indeed a worthless document for it either gave us the government we have now or it failed to prevent it (L. Spooner).

                      Treason? Treason assumes that one owes an allegiance to something to be “treasonous” against. As far as I am concerned I do not owe any government my allegiance anymore than a slave owes an allegiance to the plantation owner.

                • Hi Johnny,

                  Some of us beg; I do not. Many others do not.

                  But your point is well taken. The root problem is a majority believe in a society based upon compulsion – rather than voluntary free exchange.

                  This is a defect in the human genome. It will take time to fix it.

              • Eric,
                They only do those things if they are specifically ordered to, and that doesn’t happen here. The only victimless crime arrests that take place here are DUIs, and I only object to those because they are based on complaints from undamaged complainants, which is SOP everywhere DUI stops are made. They have standing orders not to stop anyone for not having their seat belt on.
                My objection to all police departments is their existence as standing armies. Again, I’m sorry you live in a gulag, I deliberately moved away from them when I moved here.

                • Hi Bill,

                  You kind of make my point for me – they are “good and decent” to the extent they do not enforce the law… which they are sometimes “specifically order” to… yes? Are they “good and decent” then?

                  We all live in a gulag. Some are better than others, of course – but the point stands. People like you and I – who do not harm others – should never have to worry about being hassled or mulcted by a cop. And yet, we do…

                  I’m curious; where do you live, if it’s ok to ask..

                    • Beautiful area; I’ve been through/near there.

                      I live in rural SW Virginia – and it’s not nearly as police state-y as in Northern VA or DC. But, still.

                      If, as a for instance, I were to grow some plants on my land – arbitrarily illegal plants, but hurting no other person – I would be open to a vicious, SWAT-style “raid” and find myself caged and my land forfeit to the government.

                      I assume the same is true in Park County… ?

                      My point is that “law enforcement” is by definition tyrannical because enforcing laws – just because it’s the law – is tyrannical. It gives those who enforce a way to weasel out of moral responsibility for their actions.

                      I support peacekeeping. That is to say, dealing with those who breach the peace by committing acts that cause harm to other people. Such people must be held to account.

                      But everyone else has a moral right to be left… in peace!

                    • What is it like day to day Wyoming.

                      Say in Cody, the only city i recognize in the county. Please don’t correct me further.

                      I’m only asking in generalities because in another forum a bunch of us are working on moving somewhere and starting a gulch.

                      The two places under consideration are near Van Horn West Texas and the entire state of Wyoming.

                      Cannabis tolerance in Cody down by the river where you park your van is 2.5 out of a possible 5.
                      http://webehigh.org/cody-wy-wyoming/

                      You can grow six plants in Nevada where I sometimes live, but the coastal weed tolerance for recreational cannabis hasn’t made it to Wyoming yet, it doesn’t look like.

                      Just AK CA OR WA and NV for now.

                      Ooh Freedom Fighters. Sounds good.
                      http://freedomfightersgps.com/contact.php

                      Never mind its a bailbonds GPS human cattle tracking service.

                      Freedom Fighters provides the latest in Offender Monitoring thru the use of state-of-art GPS interactive, real-time devices. We specialize in active GPS Offender Tracking and Vehicle Ignition interlock Systems

                      Wow Freedom Fighters in Wyoming and the rest of the husk of America aren’t like they used to be these days.

                • Bill,
                  This only works until there is a local regime change or more revenue is needed or enough Californicators move in or some other extenuating circumstance presents itself.
                  You have much the same attitude some of my customers had when certain draconian gun laws were passed.
                  That is, the “Why should I care? I’ve got mine.” This attitude usually earned them an eviction from the premises.

                  • Doug,
                    There are 14 registered guns per capita in the county I live in, and the sheriff is notoriously anti-federale. State law allows open or concealed carry almost everywhere. Private property can exclude open, but I know of none who do. Public property is okay except for courtrooms and public school campuses, the latter is being worked on. I doubt I’ll see the day when courtrooms are full of sidearms, again. My vandwelling has evicted from most places, especially where they push RVers into parks, for which I have no utility connections.

                    • Re: “There are 14 registered guns per capita in the county I live in,”
                      And there you have it. “Registered” guns are a clover’s dream.
                      Registered bullets are a clovers wet dream.
                      It is the ones they don’t know about that worry them.
                      Also, it really doesn’t matter what your sheriff or any number of other local officials say or do.
                      They can simply be overwhelmed by state police or federal law enFORCERs.
                      Think not?
                      Look up what the feds did to the Bundys and LaVoy Finicum.
                      Murder! As plain and simple and “in your face” as possible.
                      Who held the miscreants accountable?
                      No one! No one has the manpower or armament necessary much less the will and where-with-all to bring the criminals to justice.
                      The county in Oregon where LaVoy was murdered, is very rural.
                      He was headed to bordering county to give a talk and meet with a “friendly” sheriff.
                      The Oregon State Police and the Feds ambushed his vehicle and shot him in the back…leaving him to die in the snow.
                      They simply were too busy “arresting” those who were riding in Mr. Finicum’s vehicle to render aid to an innocent and wounded man.
                      I’ve heard clovers say “LaVoy should not have been where he was and/or He brought it on himself.
                      The only thing clover is really good for is cattle feed.

                    • Hi Doug,

                      Exactly.

                      It’s striking, isn’t it, how used to tyranny Americans have become? Specifically, conservative Americans.

                      Bill – who seems like a good guy – doesn’t see a problem with having to register guns with the government. Heck, he doesn’t see it at all. It passes unnoticed, as a routine and normal thing. Which of course it is – in an authoritarian country such as the US.

                      In a free country, whether you own a gun is none of the government’s business. You have the right not just to own guns, but to own as many as you like without having to register them.

                      And they ask me why I drink…

                    • eric, I once had at least 50 guns, tens of thousands of rounds of ammo and not a one registered. My first pistol I purchased when I was 14…..through the mail. Guns before that were ordered the same way by my parents. It wasn’t that I bought used guns, its just no registration was needed for nearly all of them and those somebody had bought, didn’t like or needed the money for another gun or something else. I know a great many people with a great many guns that were made well before registration.

                      I’d buy a thousand rounds of shotgun shells when I could get them at a bargain and pay cash for them. I never got a receipt or wanted one. Once the seller had the money and I had the guns or ammo it was a done deal. Like you said, the people who want to disarm others are the ones really bothered by it. In this part of the country, not owning a gun is incomparable to be honest.

                      My dad and I went on a couple hundred mile trip one day. I think he went to see my sisters and I went on business. He noticed the Uzi and AR I carried in the floorboard of the Elco. He asked if I was expecting trouble. Nope, but I’m ready. And that’s the reason I didn’t put that back glass mural on that were popular back then the wife and I had given to us for a Christmas gift. It was a life size Uzi and AR in a gun rack and looked pretty neat but even back then I didn’t want to advertise what I was carrying. The wife always had her Nazi stamped Walther PP and I generally had a pair of Hi Powers and a BDA(never be outgunned). We rode with everything in plain view, the accepted way to carry on the road in this state back then. My my, how times have changed and this is the tyranny you and others are speaking of. It sucks!

            • Police as we know them today are a 19th century invention to well keep us on the straight and narrow. Not protect our property or protect us or anything of the sort but to keep us inline with the owners’ social engineering agenda.

              Now there wasn’t a step change from good old fashioned dispute resolution (that peace officer thing) but the change has occurred most everywhere. If you live in a time warp that’s good for you but the rest of us don’t.

              • I live in Bill’s world every night when I listen to Johnny Dollar or Aldrich Family or other 1940s and 1950s radio shows.

                My house doesn’t have wheels though so i only live in the New Jerusalem all us working stiiffs inhabit where nothing we’re told about our jobs, or our government have even a shred of substance to.

                The government as you’ve once imagined in no way exists anymore, maybe it never has even way into the past.

                Your job doesn’t really exist either. Everything you think is solid and actual is an illusion only real in your mind. You own no real property in your career or citizenship or much of anything.

                You are leasehold tenants in the things you consider yours only amigos.

                You go to some place and do some kind of shit for some guys who think as much about you as a mammal, as you do of the mailman who brings you your mail. Or of the dog who would bring you whiskey, if you’re stranded in the Swiss Alps sometime.

                If you think it would be better if they thought any more of you, you’re likely to be permanently disappointed. Unless you have a TARDIS, there is no way to travel to that reality you’ve idealized.

                In the Pre Fiat days, the Western World once worked like that perhaps.

                Every night I listen to old radio shows as I go to sleep and hear the world many imagine in shows such as The Aldrich Family. Or Johnny Dollar Insurance Investigator. Fibber McGee and Molly you name it.

                Those days are so far back on our long road to our present serfdom to be ruefully disregarded probably forever.

                Jobs aren’t there to help you. Nor your government.

                Jobs are there to put your body in front of a whole lot of unpleasant shit that you get to be a crash dummy barrier against in exchange for a regular paycheck. That’s all.

                Governments are there to grind you into sausage if needed be. On a single sliver of dime no less. You’re mere food to hungry maws of your fellow citizens if it ever comes down to it.

                Never overestimate who you really are and what you really control. Think worse possible case. And then divide by at least 19. Maybe it’s then almost half of whatever remainder you’re working with after those operations.

                Your skull is their storage cubby hideaway. Open wide and feel their cold invisible hand reaching in.

                • Tor & All,
                  It is easy to become depressed and retreat into self-inflicted safe spaces, mental or otherwise.
                  It requires a major effort to become (metaphorically) an out-of-round wheel or an out of balance drive shaft.
                  Smaller things, done more often, will still shake the machine apart.
                  Big things and large efforts get noticed.
                  Small things that require little effort are much harder to detect.
                  Done right, small things require major responses and deplete enemy resources.
                  Sure, lopping the head off the beast is expedient however…death by a thousand cuts or a million pin pricks arrives at the same destination.
                  Aggravating bad guys (and gals) can be so much fun, it may actually become a hobby.

                  • Thanks DtB.

                    If only I had a crop duster, I’d lay on some Viagra dust over that DC swamp and wait for every one of those tiny pricks to pop up and then quickly switch tanks and drop gel version napalm RoundUp on all their pointy fishy little heads.

                  • DTB, exactly. TPTB want everyone to think that resistance is futile. And it is if one plays their game by their rules.

                    But there are methods around their power. It is sometimes referred to as part of Fourth Generation Warfare or asymmetrical warfare. But resistance all comes down to developing a defiant mindset. Not a foolish loud mouth show everyone how tuff you are defiance (idiots walking around in cammies) but rather a smart, pick the battles you can win – no matter how small – defiance.

                    Not sure about Alex Jones’ real agenda but he is spot on about one thing: There is a war on for your mind.

  9. IMO, it is long past time to apply the same self-defense actions against in rem thieves as we would against normal ones. The only claim can make against booty in a vehicle versus that in a building is exigency, and that doesn’t negate due process.

  10. All it takes is a greedy group of attorneys to sue the governments and police in the same manner they sued cigarette companies and I guarantee you the illegal abuses will stop dead cold. Because the wrong is so obvious and it is intentional it would also include personal liability by each individual police officer and government that took the money.

  11. “Illegal” storage cubbies truly are only a microcosm of what is really going on. The government (read psychopathic busy bodies) cannot stand the idea of someone somewhere doing something – anything – that is not under its control or approval.

    Replacing Jeff Sessions will not stop any of this. His replacement will be just another megalomaniac do-gooder. The only solution is to disband the office altogether. A return to any sense of Liberty will never happen so long as the Federal government exists. It must be disbanded but that will not happen because US amerikans are either too stupid or too well indoctrinated to ever take that first step.

    “First they came for the pot smokers but I did nothing because I do not smoke pot…”

    So let them rot in their foolishness. I have no loyalty to these dolts and their institutions.

    • Spot on, Skunk.

      It is about controlling us utterly. The ultimate object being that no action not approved of is possible and that we live exactly as they demand.

  12. “the People” Constantly BEG the police to roust people – to violate the 4th, to steal peoples cash and make cubbies illegal and “get” those horrible drug dealers and thugs. NEVER statistically do we ourselves get rousted and seized etc… It is always those “minorities” or whatever – those “other” people the cops violate.
    WE beg the cops to roust more people – increasing the frequency of encounters which increases the chances the cop will be involved with a stop that goes south. And the people being rousted – well they don’t like it. They start shooting at cops. Not until the numbers of shootings of cops and cops shooting mundanes go through the roof do the police ever consider that maybe they shouldn’t listen to paranoid snowflakes – and maybe they should obey the Constitution. The 4th protects cops from becoming thugs themselves (which makes them legitimate targets), and protects cops as much as it protects innocent people.

    • I have a phrase to sum this up. The laws are for those bad people over there. Also all laws are selectively enforced. Ever notice all the “human interest” news stories that are always about how some sympathetic character got enforced upon? The law isn’t questioned but its enforcement on such and such person. If it’s that bad person over there then that’s okay.

  13. Rope! We no longer have enough people who know how to use rope.
    Some of the best hidden compartments were below a trap door.
    Many of the state sponsored “enforcers” need to find hidden compartments…One time!

  14. Let’s not mince words. Anyone who enforces an illegitimate law is a criminal, who should be prevented from further predations by any means that prove necessary. What is a legitimate law? Our nation’s own Declaration of Independence nicely describes the limits of proper government. Anything else is murder, theft, and slavery. All perpetrators of these things should be stopped in their tracks.

    • So true. The 4th protects cops from becoming thugs themselves. When Cops become lawless thugs they become targets. The 4th protects cops as much as it protects innocent people. When we beg the cops to become thugs, we put cops lives in more danger. Maybe the mantra should be “Make COPS safer! Stop forcing them to violate the Constitution”. The irony – that our hatred of thugs makes us turn cops into thugs.

  15. I think an important point missed by this article is that cars change hands, pretty much all of them and several times. How do you know when you buy a used car that it doesn’t have one of these hidden compartments? You could search the vehicle, but you’re looking for something that’s only purpose is to be “find resistant”. You’re trying to prove a negative. So now buying a used car is like a game of Russian roulette with a felony in the chamber.

    “Americans should be in the streets.” As for why no one is in the streets it’s because people only care about things that might effect them. I don’t remember the exact statistics, but something like half the population doesn’t even have $500 in their life savings. And if you up that dollar amount by even a little bit the numbers fall off even worse. Since most people don’t have $500 to their name they don’t have to ever worry about such law. And envy probably drives them to support it.

  16. Even “communist” countries like China and Vietnam are freer in some ways (not all) than the US. For one, you don’t have to drive with one eye on the rear view mirror scanning for cops. Also, no late night door knock downs or light trigger fingers.

  17. Toronto man builds park stairs for $550, irking city after $65,000 estimate
    http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-man-builds-park-stairs-for-550-irking-city-after-65-000-estimate-1.3510237

    Gail Rutherford, says the stairs have already been a big help to people who routinely take that route through the park. “I’ve seen so many people fall over that rocky path that was there to begin with,” she said. “It’s a huge improvement over what was there.”

    Astl says members of his gardening group have been thanking him for taking care of the project, especially after one of them broke her wrist falling down the slope last year.

    “To me, the safety of people is more important than money,” Astl said. “So if the city is not willing to do it, I have to do it myself.”

    Area resident Dana Beamon told CTV Toronto she’s happy to have the stairs there, whether or not they are up to city standards.

    “We have far too much bureaucracy,” she said. “We don’t have enough self-initiative in our city, so I’m impressed.”

  18. Alfred Anaya was sent to federal prison for 24 years – no chance of parole – for building hidden compartments. He believed that since he never had direct knowledge of what they were used for that he wasn’t breaking any laws. That didn’t stop federal prosecutors from charging him with conspiracy to deal drugs. He got a longer sentence than the kingpins of the drug operation who were actually selling the substances. Something is seriously wrong in a country that allows that. More than anything, I cannot understand how a jury convicts a person like Alfred Anaya. What kind of brainwashing has been done to our fellow citizens that they cannot see the violation of everything America was supposed to be when they convict someone of a federal crime just for putting a hidden compartment in a car? Anaya never sold drugs. He never touched them. He had no direct knowledge of any illegal drugs whatsoever. But he sits in a federal prison for decades, convicted as a drug dealer. I don’t support any of the laws banning drugs but even if you do, who can defend sending Alfred Anaya to prison?

    • So it was federal. I couldn’t remember.
      Federal court in entirely rigged against the person charged. That’s how they get their 98.9% or similarly high conviction rate. Considering how it works nobody who had enough knowledge or understanding _not_ to convict him would ever make it to the jury box.

      • Yep, given a choice of being charged by a state or feds it’s easy to make the choice of agreeing to whatever egregious charge the state makes rather than have that same charge or much worse made by the feds. My fed lawyer, just like other fed lawyers, had won one single case in 20 years. They’re just there to broker a hopefully better sentence and give the illusion of a “justice” system. But whatever the fee, cough it up if you can…..you won’t like the alternative.

        Back to the issue at hand, my 93 Chevy pickup has 4 hidden compartments courtesy GM. I had all of them stuffed. Of the people I knew to get searched in one of those pickups the first thing the cops did was to remove the cupholder built into the console. There’s a large area under it and another under the console itself. There are two pockets in the ext. cab side that can be removed. I had those stuffed with soft things like hoses and belts and soft boxes with electrical parts and such. The inside of the cab is even coated with a lining for sound deadening that is great for keeping stuff from roaming around in there.

        My current pickup doesn’t have nearly the room, hidden or otherwise, the old one did but the cupholder comes out and there’s a compartment there too. I have electrical parts and meters in it……along with several fully automatic weapons and a bale of marijuana for emergencies. Since the door panels simply pop off I keep huge amounts of cash in the doors. That disc in the player is hidden too and little does anyone know it contains a solid platinum disc with the entire secrets of atomic weapons on it. It’s craftily disguised as a dented, barb wire and mesquite scratched, cowshit covered double nought mobile. James Bond, eat your frickin heart out.

    • Posted by Esther Anaya 6 months ago

      Alfred is doing good. He told me to tell everyone Happy New Year. He hopes 2017 is better for him and he hopes he comes home soon. Also he thanks everyone for the donations. God Bless you all.
      https://www.gofundme.com/r4d2ys

      Un negocio ‘secreto’ llevó a prisión al creador
      CNNMéxico 395,252 views

      Published on Apr 23, 2013
      Alfred Anaya se dedicaba a hacer compartimentos secretos en los autos, que unos narcotraficantes utilizaban para transportar droga, por lo que la fiscalía lo incriminó y ahora apelará la condena que le impusieron de 24 años en prisión
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hB7RZ_9TuY

        • We’re gonna sing you this Christmas carol. It’s for all you bastards out there in the audience tonight. It’s called “The Pause of Mr. Claus”.

          Why do you sit there so strange?
          Is it because you are beautiful?
          You must think you are deranged
          Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

          You must think Santa Clause weird
          He has long hair and a beard
          Giving his presents for free
          Why do police guys mess with peace guys?

          Let’s get Santa Clause ’cause;
          Santa Clause has a red suit
          He’s a communist
          And a beard, and long hair
          Must be a pacifist
          What’s in the pipe that he’s smoking?

          Mister Claus sneaks in your home at night.
          He must be a dope fiend, to put you up tight
          Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

    • A friend of mine moved to Peru precisely because it’s more free than the USA: specifically, fewer onerous burdens on business, and far more freedom in markets for education, transportation, and health care. I visited him a few years back and it’s a lively and prosperous environment. The food and produce are great too!

  19. It’s part of the war on cash. The government hates when people use cash, because we could be sidestepping some tax or we don’t want to be tracked. Especially with a large purchase.

    The statist state intends on getting rid of cash entirely. They want to track every cent.

    Just the fact that you have to report to the IRS any use of $10,000 or more tells you what our so called government thinks of us. That we can’t be trusted with our own property. That we need to be regulated no matter what we do.

  20. What on earth do you expect people to do? Decades ago we could have caught the bastards in a dark alley and either knocked some sense into them or left their bloodied corpse as a message to the rest. This goes for cops, lawyers, and politicians. But there are no more dark alleys, and the bad guys own the propaganda outlets, the wealth, and lots of brainwashed and well cared for mercenaries to keep us in check.

    • Hi Ernie,

      That is, indeed, The Question.

      I wish I had good answers.

      The first step is to publicize this stuff – and not in a favorable light. To get people upset.

      And, to let people know that there are other people who do object, as they do. That they are not alone.

      One of the great strengths of The System is that it has atomized people – and made the individual who holds heretical opinions feel like a minority of one. He is not. It merely appears that way.

      Once enough people are pissed – and realize they are not alone – there will be real hope.

      • The younger generations IME are thoroughly convinced of what the powers that be want. I already feel like an old man ranting at times. They don’t want freedom. They want to be children forever where everything is done for them. The WW2 generation and the boomers aren’t much better. An our own generation is littered with the well conditioned.

        We’re 6% of the population at best Eric. Everyone else wants to be cared for. Wants social and power hierarchies not competency hierarchies. There was a time when that 6% of the world population was sorted for by the mechanisms that brought people to the USA and the mechanisms by which people grew up but those days started to end a century ago. Most everyone thinks they have a shot when winners are determined socially but they know deep down they aren’t competent and would fail in competency hierarchies. That’s how they were done away with. Why was to get rid of the competent that stood in the way of the utopian vision but how was because the masses didn’t like competency being the determining factor. It takes a lot more work to be competent than to play institutional games.

        Now I am seeing people push ‘universal income’. But when I use their own arguments for it to say I’ll quit working the people pushing for it tell me what a horrible person I am. See they want us to take care of them. It’s ok for them to follow their passions but if I want to follow mine then I am selfish.

        I think we really are the minority and most people just simply don’t want to admit they don’t want to be self reliant and want to pass the buck to someone else so they can have fun.

  21. “hidden compartment” laws exist in many states already including Illinois. The Illinois law is for any non-OEM compartment which is used or was used to hide something from law enforcement. It does not have to be anything illegal. So if your vehicle has a hidden compartment and it is empty but for some sprinkles that fell off doughnuts that were once hidden there you can kiss your vehicle good by. You were hiding those doughnuts from cops because cops eat doughnuts.

    Furthermore making hidden compartments is either federally illegal or illegal in California. I cannot remember which. The government goes after shops which make the compartments with vigor. Never mind the infinite number of uses that have nothing to do with anything the government currently deems illegal besides the compartments themselves.

    • Hi Brent,

      Yup … but no one cares, except us.

      The same cattle who line up and assume the “I surrender” pose and go through the scanners for the TSA and let them fondle their junk… it’s all for saaaaaaaaafety and besides, if you’ve got nothing to hide….

      Really, if I were 20 years younger and had the gumption to start over, I’d flee… while there is still time.

    • Ohio also has a law against hidden compartments. There is a case (not sure if it’s been resolved yet) of a guy from Georgia, Norman Gurley, traveling thru Ohio with a car that didn’t even belong to him (it was his parents or brothers or something, don’t recall exactly). State pigs somehow found a hidden compartment. Nothing in it, NO drugs or contraband of any kind anywhere in the car. Guy has zero criminal history, and yet he’s in a jail cell for months awaiting trial and facing years of prison time.
      After reading Eric article earlier today, I went to dinner with some friends and brought this up for conversation to see what others thought. You know what the consensus was? “Well, Norman must have done something, the cops wouldn’t do something like that unless they had a good reason. He must be guilty of something “. This country is so fucked I could just puke.

  22. “hidden compartment” laws already exist in numerous states including Illinois. The Illinois law is with regard to anything that one wishes to hide from law enforcement. In this respect a hidden compartment containing one dozen jelly doughnuts (because unless to be used as a bribe one would want to hide his doughnuts from cops) would be considered a violation of the law and subject to vehicle to seizure.

    Illinois law does exempt OEM compartments, only considering those created after the manufacture of the vehicle to be illegal.

    I forget if it is California or federal law that makes building the compartments a felony. So a shop owner who does nothing but create hidden compartments can be sent to prison and his life ruined. There are many reasons to have hidden compartments for legal reasons. Perhaps someone in the jewelry business. Seems like a couple times a year there is a big theft of jewelry from a vehicle or the vehicle containing it. A hidden compartment would be nice to prevent that. And there’s countless others of course. Yet government does not care.

  23. “Sponsored by Rep. Stephan Hay (D-Fitchburg)”

    Unfortunately, this is a Masshole politician, so the likelihood that he’ll be tarred and feathered — or at least kicked out of office — seems unlikely.

  24. The answer to your last question, eric, is clearly, no.

    AmeriKunts could not possibly care less, by and large, about this, or the millions of other daily attacks on their freedom, liberty and dignity.

    They, like Winston Smith, love their oppressors, and happily festoon their own homes and persons with the tools of surveillance and control, at their own, often considerable, expense.

  25. People assume that police are experts on the cars, guns, and the law – after all, they use them in the performance of their jobs every day, right? The truth is they’re no more informed about those things than anyone else. They’ll arrest people based solely on their judgement that “that doesn’t look right”.

  26. The DNA of this country has changed. The average mope simply doesn’t care about this stuff: They avert their eyes and continue tapping on their freak’n cell phones while hiring someone to drive them everywhere.

    American copping is completely out of control and in dire need of an overhaul.

    Well, the entire justice system needs overhauled.

    • Hi Aljer,

      Yes. It has.

      People are fearful – and pre-occupied – or just (as Paul Craig Roberts styles it) insouciant. They don’t care, so long as they have fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttball and beer and gadgets to play with.

      • I think most people are just tired. I know I am. Tired and broke. So its easy to drop into a fantasy world.

        The last decade I have earned almost nothing in spite of working very hard. You can’t change things when you’re broke.

        I think that’s why they want us broke. You don’t speak up when you trying to figure out how your paying for tonights dinner.

        They are well on their way, when 40% of working people earn less then $20,000 a year. That’s not even living check to check because there is no where, where that is enough to cover basic COL. The checks are so small you will never keep up.

        Our nations largest problem is an income problem. People need to be able to earn more income.

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