How to Debate a Leftist

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You will never win an argument by accepting your opponent’s premises. Republicans and “conservatives” serially lose arguments with the Left – and elections – because they accept the Left’s premises. There are so many examples. Let’s run through some.

“Masks work.”

The way to win an argument with Leftists who say that isn’t to counter them with contrary studies. It is to say: If “masks work,” then feel free to wear one. But you have no right to force anyone else to wear one, ever. Especially if – as you insist – “masks work.” After all, if they do – as you say – then they “work” for you and everyone else is none of your business.

That is how you counter a “masker.”

Or – more to the point – it is how you shut one up. By telling him to go to bugger off, essentially.  After you have told him to bugger off, there is no longer anything left for him to do but to try to force you to. And you have forced him to admit that it’s not about “masks working.”

It is about the forcing.

Which is fine because it’s honest – things are in the open, now – and you have retained your honor – by not agreeing with the premises of the Leftist.

“Seatbelts save lives.”

So what?

That is the right answer whenever a Leftist wants to argue with you about the rightness of forcing people to wear seat belts (and buy them, too) which is what the Leftist (and some “conservatives,” unfortunately) mean when they say “seatbelts save lives.” Just the same as they say about “checkpoints” where people who aren’t “drunk” are forced to stop and prove they are sober.

Regular exercise also saves lives – in the same generally-true sense that is true of wearing a seatbelt but even more so, because regularly exercising will make you healthier while regularly wearing a seatbelt may and probably will have not impact at all on your health because wearing a seatbelt only has an actual benefit if you actually wreck – and even then, it may not make a difference.

The point is that if you allow the Leftist’s premise about “saving lives” to stand and argue about tangential things such as how many lives are saved – or not – you will lose the argument. You will also end up arguing with the Leftist over other “life saving” proposals – such as the wearing of “masks,” for instance. It is not coincidence that this business of Leftists forcing “masks” on people came after people were forced by Leftists (abetted by “conservatives” who agree with Leftists) to “buckle up.”

And forced to stop – and prove they are not “drunk.”

The proper response is to say: The role of government in a free country is not to “save lives.” It is to protect rights. In a free country, people have the right to take risks – and to be left alone, even if you do not like it that they are doing what you consider to be “risky.”

Whether someone else “buckles up” is no more your concern than whether someone else works out regularly – or eats a balanced diet.

But what about the costs to society, says the Leftist?

These “costs” only exist (or are only a problem, rather) because of Leftists. Leftists pass laws that pass on the costs incurred by some people to other people – the ones whose actions haven’t cost anyone anything. The latter are the same people the Left says must be disarmed – because other people used a gun to commit a crime.

Challenge this premise and you have destroyed the Leftist’s argument for forcing people to “buckle up” – and for taking guns away from people who never used them to commit a crime.

Or for forcing them to buy what is styled “health insurance,” too.

One cannot insure health, by the way. One can be forced to buy a policy that “covers” medical expenses. The two are very different things. The Leftist says it is right to force people to buy medical insurance by styling it “health insurance,” which makes oilily makes it sound like what it isn’t. As if – having been forced to buy it – you are assured “health.” As opposed to being forced to pay – for costs you didn’t incur.

Leftists are experts at this.

But no one’s health is anyone else’s business. And no one has the right to force anyone else to buy “coverage” for anything. People have the obligation to pay their own bills – nothing more and nothing less. Which brings us to:

“Pay your fair share.”

Thomas Sowell knew how to challenge this premise. He asked: What is your “fair share” of what someone else has worked to earn? The answer, of course, is nothing. The Leftist relies on the oily emotional tug of “caring” about other people to gaslight them into accepting being forced to pay for other people. But the Leftist doesn’t really care about other people. He cares about using force to take other people’s money, to be redistributed by Leftists – who can then preen at other people’s expense about how much they care about other people.

The point is that “caring” isn’t the issue.

Taking what doesn’t belong to you is.

One expresses care for others by helping them – yourself. Using your own time, effort and money. That is admirable. Taking from others and forcing others is despicable.

If one concedes the rightfulness (sic) of taking anything from others then one has accepted the right (sic)  to take everything from others.

So don’t concede it. No one else has a right to a cent of what’s yours.

The only way to argue successfully against a Leftist who asks (when a Leftist uses that word, he always means he intends to force ) you to “pay your fair share,” is to tell him that there is no such thing as a “fair share” of the fruits of someone else’s labor.

People have a right to work – but not to take.

This put everything in its rightful place. Let the Leftist defend theft – by refusing to let the Leftist pretend it is anything other than theft.

That is how you counter the Left. You do not let the Leftist set the terms of the debate. You parse his words – and you don’t accept his premises.

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  1. Holy Moly,
    Just checking in to see the latest EV jabs( BS from electric machine touts defanged).. and I tumble into a political Donny brook!!!

    So I’ll be brief RE automotive wise…

    The President of the Dominican Republic promoted tourism in his agenda ..
    The road building/ repair over the last year is astounding! Presently the DR is transitioning from insane potholes and disrepair to baby-ass smooth roads FAST!
    Presently hanging out south of Barahona along the beach/ mountain road south.. Plunging cliffs into a 20,000 foot deep subduction zone right off shore . kind of creepy swimming in warm water then suddenly getting a blast of ice water up your ass..a deep upwelling with who knows what monster pelagic 100 yards away..

    Anyway enough travelogue.
    This coast highway is Great.

    DR police road checkpoints actually perform as they were intended:

    1) Round up illegal aliens and punt them back across the border and
    2) Protect and serve…. Escort you to the cops relatives Colmado/ store to stock back up on ice cold beer!!
    Oh yeah to continue the service part I gave the officer a bag of empty beer/ rum bottles and he dutifully threw them away for me

    Every working stiffs bugaboo INFLATION
    Yikes gas has only gone up 45 cents ( 25 pesos)
    In 2.5 years..
    However. I am more concerned about egg costs!!!!!
    2.5 dozen eggs now cost $3.00 US??
    We are doomed…
    All said and done.. if you are interested in a place that Anyone can grow anything in check out the Cibao valley in northern DR ….
    Rumor has it you can plant a rock and it will grow into a bountiful rock tree 😂

    Really sucks watching my former country ( now an empire in decline/decay) fall to shit while I watch the last scavenger’s pluck it bare


  2. Even a ‘Biden’-appointed fedgov judge can’t stomach Gov Luhan Grisham’s gun ban:

    ‘A federal judge on Wednesday temporarily halted a 30-day order from New Mexico’s governor suspending the open and concealed carrying of guns in the Albuquerque area that had sparked bipartisan condemnation.

    ‘During the hearing, U.S. District Judge David H. Urias, an appointee of President Joe Biden who took his seat on the bench last year, indicated that the numerous Supreme Court precedents on the Second Amendment suggested that the governor’s order would cause irreparable harm to citizens seeking to exercise their gun rights. Thus, he said, he had to issue a temporary strike of the ban — a move that does not rule on its merits.

    “To be honest with you, I think you have kind of a hard road here to get up,” Urias told Holly Agajanian, the attorney for the governor’s office defending the rule. — Politico

    Note how the gun-grabber governor had to send an attorney from her own office to court, since the New Mexico Attorney General refused to defend her executive order.

    Lujan Grisham: political road kill. I’d like to see her baked head on a silver platter, surrounded by sizzling pineapple rings. 🙂

    • Climbdown:

      ‘New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham on Friday narrowed an order that broadly suspended the right to carry firearms in and around Albuquerque to apply only to public parks and playgrounds where children and their families gather.’

      Sorry … not good enough!

      Even if her order is narrowed again to apply only to a single square inch of ground in a dank alley, it’s still just as unconstitutional.

      Having dug herself into a hole deeper than her head, D-party dipshit Lujan Grisham just keeps slinging out more little teaspoonfuls of dirt, like a brain-damaged blind mole.

  3. How to DEFUND a leftist:

    Democratic New Mexico Attorney General Raul Torrez announced he will not defend the state in pending lawsuits against the governor’s public health emergency order suspending open and concealed carry of firearms in Albuquerque and surrounding counties.

    In a letter to Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham (D-NM) regarding four impending lawsuit cases, Torrez shared the same sentiments from Democratic and Republican lawmakers and law enforcement, saying the ban violates the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens.

    “Though I recognize my statutory obligation as New Mexico’s chief legal officer to defend state officials when they are sued in their official capacity, my duty to uphold and defend the constitutional rights of every citizen takes precedence,” Torrez wrote. “Simply put, I do not believe that the Emergency Order will have any meaningful impact on public safety but, more importantly, I do not believe it passes constitutional muster.”


    Let’s all pitch in and mail Gov Lujan Grisham a red clown nose … and a nickel for her legal defense fund.

    Idiot bitch …

    • I rarely ever give credit to politicians (because they usually don’t deserve it), but I am pretty proud (and very surprised) that the New Mexico Sheriff’s Department and New Mexico’s AG is holding the line. Honestly, I expected them to stand behind her and see this thing through until it reached the Supreme Court.

      It gives me a little hope that pushback does exist and maybe we won’t be so quick to kneel to the oligarchy and their belief system.

      Now, if someone would just arrest her for treason. It could be a good day.

      • I think Torrez is angling for running for governor himself, which he just wrapped up. But regardless. If that’s what it takes for politicians to grow a spine I support it.

      • ‘It could be a good day.’ — Raider Girl

        And now, it certifiably is:

        Mitt Romney says he won’t run for re-election to Senate MarketWatch

        🙂 🙂 🙂

          • RG –

            I heard on Bannon’s program that he may run in the “no labels” party after Trump gets removed from the ballot. I despise that clown. They should call it the RINO party.

            • Hi swamp,

              No, I am in complete denial of that. If he did that it would split the Republican vote, although I wonder who would vote for him. I think he “retired” because he didn’t even have enough votes to win his Senate seat in Utah.

              Now, that is just going to give me nightmares tonight.

      • “I am pretty proud (and very surprised) that the New Mexico Sheriff’s Department and New Mexico’s AG is holding the line. Honestly, I expected them to stand behind her and see this thing through until it reached the Supreme Court.”

        They might have… had the state not passed a “virtue signal” law post Floyd that removes the immunity of any state officer who suppresses a citizen’s civil right. These guys realized that if the courts went against them, they were going to be PERSONALLY liable for damages to anyone who cares to sue them.

        Funny that whose ox it is makes all the difference.

  4. The one constant- The one universal premise that is shared by all politicians and those who willingly support them, is the notion that no matter what, -no matter what side of an issue one may be on- they have “the right” to ultimately impose rules; control you, and force you to do something or refrain from doing something, or to force you to pay for something you don’t use or which you may be opposed to, and which you have no control over.

    Case in point: (RFK) Junior says he’ll end the drug war “on day one” [Hint: If anyone promises to do anything “on day one” they are lying to you….] -Which (ending the war on drugs) is a good thing, of course….but politicians/tyrants being what they are can’t just leave it at that- oh no!!!!! RFK also wants to TAX the legalized drugs [Funny how those who decry the slavery the loudest tend to be it’s most ardent supporters….] and establish a government-funded and controlled apparat for rehabilitation/counseling/help etc.

    OHhhh! The very idea that people should just be free to do what they please or to refrain from doing things…or to work things out on their own or on the free-market, or to pay for what they use and not have to pay for for what they don’t use, is utterly foreign and contemptible to these tyrants- and is a perfect example of why libertarians should not support ANY politician- because no matter what side of an issue they are on, they still demand control.

    • Nunzio,

      Most every legalization effort is ultimately tethered to some method to stoke off those who salivate at the thought of all the money made in drug sales. While they decry the drug cartels, the truth is they are envious. Leaving people alone to make their own decisions IS truly alien and incomprehensible to most every politician, like a carp being presented with a book on quantum mechanics.

  5. These are not effective tactics for debating leftists. You are just talking past each other. Neither of you agree on the basic premises so thinking you have won the argument is wrong.
    I AGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. but in the many arguments I have had with leftists they make the following points.

    For example, you say to the leftist that if they think masks work then they can wear them, but you don’t feel that way so you won’t wear one. That’s not how leftists think about masks. They don’t think they are some holy grail shield that will protect them. They think masks provide some protection but it’s just as important for the germ carriers (you) to have your germs filtered by the mask as it is for them to filter your germs getting to them.
    You don’t agree but that is because you see the issue completely differently. You see the mask as useless, they see it as a partial protection, more effective when worn by everybody.

    Seatbelts save lives/everyone should have health insurance. Your argument is “I will decide what risks I want to take.”. Their view is your risky behavior hurts them because everybody has to pay the costs as everyone gets taken care of whether they have insurance or not. Until there is a system that refuses to care for people that have not arranged for care this will be their thinking.

    “Pay your fair share”. This is rooted in the idea that profit is a result of many factors, a lot of them due to the infrastructure that exists. The money you made was possible because people paid for roads, police, laws, regulations, that allowed a business to prosper. They think your profit was not made in a vacuum, but was the result of the civilization that existed as a result of taxes and such. Businesses don’t do so great in Rwanda because there is not much of a government to help create the conditions for profit making.

    Leftists see the world as a collective, a bee hive that operates best when all people understand that the health of the hive is due to the collective action of it’s members. Non-leftists see the world as an open plain where it’s each man for itself and cooperation is mutual and voluntary. The 2 views are at complete odds with each other.

      • Exactly. Not to mention some of the points made are simply wrong. Points for him substituting Rwanda for Somalia, though. LOL.

      • I think he may actually be an AI bot sent to derail/ disrupt /nudge otherwise productive conversations. I actually enjoy hearing well thought out contrary viewpoints instead of a tendency towards echo chamber conversations, but this bot seems to pull random and contradictory thought from a database put together for discussing just such topics with libertarian leaning people like us. The AI algorithms are or soon will be very difficult to distinguish from actual conversations with humans. Scary times ahead for propaganda.

          • Easy. I once beat the renowned street fighter Tank Murdock, then went on to let him appear to win so as to not damage his reputation. No AI bot would ever show that type of compassion.

    • The difference being, the left requires you to sacrifice your welfare for the sake of others, and the rest don’t require you to sacrifice your welfare for those unwilling to sacrifice for their own welfare.

    • The point, Krusty, is to deconstruct the Left. You cannot have a “debate” with someone whose terms and conditions you’ve not challenged.

      I understand perfectly that Leftists have a collectivist mentality. The point is to force them to acknowledge it or at least expose it. Let’s have a debate about the fundamental issues. Then we’ll get to the violence that is at the root of everything Leftists advocate. And that will not bear scrutiny.

      Which is why it is so important to scrutinize it.

    • “seatbelts save lives” – They save some people’s lives not others. There should be no law compelling their use. I’m okay with strongly worded education campaigns as if anyone really needs that anymore.

      “everyone should have health insurance.” Bullshit.

      • Hi Swamp,

        In re Krusty’s comment, “everyone should have health insurance.”

        Krusty seems to believe he speaks for everyone. Rather, he believes everyone ought to be forced to abide by his beliefs. This is what the Left – and the Right – believe. It is the core rot that has ruined this country.

        Everyone should leave everyone else alone.

        That is the antithesis of what’s ruined this country. But Krusty People hate the idea of leaving other people alone. They want everyone to be part of their collective, obliged to defer to the “shoulds” and “oughts” of the majority – even when it’s just a loud and politically powerful minority.

        I wish we could wipe the crust off the table and start fresh.

    • Krustola,
      You are correct, we will indeed not convince any leftists (or even rightists) by not accepting their premises. Their premises are often just dlusions, willingly accepted to justify and cloak their immorality and lack of logic, and the fact that their positions are often based on emotion rather than logic and altruism- BUT the thing is, if we accept their premises, then we also fall victim to their ‘logic’.

      Witness how Republicunts have become Dumbocrap-lites- now accep0ting ‘socialized medicine’ and entitlements and political-correctness and the environmental fakery, etc….and for the same matter, the leftists have embraced wars and crony-capilalism etc. because they embraced many of the ‘right’s” premises- such as “terrorism”.

      It’s not so much about winning the argument or convincing the other side…which is often just not possible- but rather about not falling victim to their BS. e.g. if you accept the premise that the free-market is responsible for the high cost of ‘healthcare’ [as opposed to endless gov’t regulation, control, and the insurance lobby having destroyed any free-market as far as healthcare goes] and that the state has a right to take what is yours/redistribute wealth…then you WILL advocate ‘socialized medicine’.

      Conversely, we are libertarians because we accept the premise that no one has the right to take what is ours or to interfere in our voluntary transactions with others, etc. We don’t accept the premise that the will of some majority somehow gives their ‘representatives’ the ‘right’ to force anyone to comply with the majority’s will. (That is why libertarians should not vote! If you participate in “the democratic process” you are consenting to it and obligated to accept the legitimacy of it’s outcome!).

      • Which is exactly why I don’t vote. I won’t put my stamp of approval on the result, or the process itself. When did the system that gives the 51% authority to hold a gun to the head of the 49% become a righteous cause? You can hang the king and start over. There is no such option for Democracy, the very worst form of tyranny.

        • Exactly, John- Also, the mythical “lesser evil” doesn’t exist when you consent to tyranny- it’s just a more agreeable evil, used to tempt you to participate in and consent to the process, -a bribe to thwart you from taking any actual action and instead submit to their system.

    • The premises are the first things that must be debated. If they cannot be agreed upon there is no point in going any further. If the lefty does not agree you own your property, there’s no point arguing whether the state should steal it or not. Nor what it should be used for.

    • “everyone should have health insurance”

      It sure helps to have health insurance. For instance the cost of an Aortic heart valve replacement is somewhere in the vicinity of $100,000 or more. Do you have that kind of cash laying around? You you spend that on the surgery so you could live another 5, 10 years or would you forgo that expense and save the money for your family. Tough questions. Inquiring minds want to know.

      • Hi euro,

        If one is disciplined enough they could save up the $1800 per month (the average for a family of 4) and if an emergency does happen the money is there. I have found as a “self payer” that the hospitals and doctor offices will work with me and offer me discounts from 20%-70% of what the insurance company says I owe. Not all will, but many do. I also do not have to deal with a middle man and the money is put aside in an interest bearing account until the crisis happens.

        My family recently had $5500 in dental work completed. There was no issue when it came time for payment because the money had been saved. Since I was not using insurance or needed to make payments the dentist was kind enough to drop several hundreds of dollars all of the work performed.

        • Your conversation caused me to think about how people said things were back when doctors did house calls.

          …Things were affordable back then.

          Today, is such a rip-off, a big con… it ain’t even funny how screwed up things are. … on purpose.

          ….I’d post a URL discussing it all in detail, but I think they’ve all been scrubbed from The Internet search engines… Like, we’re not supposed to know such things.

    • Sure they are. You can’t argue with idiots or idealogues on their terms. Their terms make no common sense. They suck and are plainly anti-American.

  6. Fedgov constitution:

    (Amendment V): ‘nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb.’

    Fedgov ‘Justice’ department:

    ‘Five former Memphis police officers have been indicted on federal criminal charges, the Justice Department said Tuesday.

    [They] have already pleaded not guilty to second degree murder and other charges at the state level.

    ‘Attorney General Merrick Beria Garland said, “The Justice Department will continue to hold accountable officers who betray their oath.” — NYT

    Whether it’s New Mexico’s Lujan Grisham cancelling the Second Amendment by executive order, or “Biden’s” raccoon-faced ‘attorney general’ Beria Garland nullifying the Fifth Amendment with an illegal ‘piling-on’ prosecution, the rule of law is OVER.

    Anything goes, and nothing matters. Act accordingly.

    • There’s no point in falling back on the Constitution. It’s worthless. Otherwise it would have prevented this criminality incorporated in the first place. 18 U.S. Code § 242 provides for the death penalty for such acts, and it doesn’t even slow them down.

  7. Confront and put a mask nazi on the defensive instantly with this….”My doctor says only sick people wear masks, why are you and your mask spreading disease in public when you should be staying at home?” Then watch the poor sap squirm.

  8. ‘But what about the costs to society, says the Leftist?’ — eric

    Ask Joe “Indian Giver” Biden. After he illegally cancelled oil leases in Alaska last week, today West Texas Intermediate crude oil reached $89/barrel, the highest this year.

    When fuel prices rip higher because “Biden” intentionally restricted supply, it destroys purchasing power and weakens the economy. Now there’s almost nothing left in the Strategic Petroleum Reserve tank, if crude oil blasts to triple digits following Saudi and Russian production cuts.

    Mentally incompetent “Biden” refuses to step aside, yet he’s the head of a party that can’t afford to lose the presidency, since a vast cesspool of official crime would come to light under new management.

    What to do, what to do? No doubt the national security Fourth Branch has multiple contingency plans, some of them involving violence, war and terrorism, to stop its rotten foundations from getting washed away at the hands of a disgusted populace that’s getting pushed to the wall.

    • Hi Jim,

      The “Ridin’ with Biden” crowd will simply say that high gas prices are due to “Corporate greed”, “Putin’s War”, or some other lame excuse, even though we’ve had bureaucrats in the UN and elsewhere claim that high gas prices were GOOD FOR THE PLANET.

      • You know how the D-party rolls, with their insolent little evasions. But rising interest rates, gas prices and unemployment piss people off.

        Currently we have two of three. The latter, unemployment, at 3.8% in August is up 0.4% from its April low of 3.4%.

        Since every half-point rise in unemployment has kicked off a recession, a U-rate of 3.9% or higher at the next announcement on October 6 will seal “Joe’s” fate.

        Workers of America, unite! 🙂

    • Hi Jim,

      Illegally cancelling the oil leases: Yep, then he shows up in Anchorage yesterday to give his “nahn-levnn-never remember” speech. A total slap to the face to all Alaskans, but especially to a native tribe that was set to benefit from the leases. But in liberal logic, they are “protecting native lands from big oil.”

      • It will be a real wake-up call to the natives when they realize the cost of everything-that is already outrageously expensive to ship to the villages-will suddenly double or triple (or worse) thanks to Biden cancelling the oil leases, and banning all new drilling. O’Biden might be “protecting native land from Big Oil”, and maybe that is what they want. In which case, the natives better re-learn rather quickly how to live like it is the 1700’s, as well as the rest of us, because that is exactly where we are all headed. Unless Russia blasts us off the map first, that is.

  9. The Ukrainian “war” is being fought at the behest of the((( jews))) who will establish an eastern European beachhead–israel 2.0
    You see, it is FACT that most European jews HATE the middle east, its climate and culture that predates modern talmudic jewry by millennia.
    What better way to establish an additional criminal “empire” with the”help” of NATO and at the behest of “israel’s bestest friend–the USA”. The Ukraine provides an additional location for (((jews)))to ply their criminal enterprises, much closer to their “customers” than at the present time.
    The European climate is seen as more amenable to the khazarian jews than the middle east as well.
    Ukrainian jews have already shuttered Christian churches while leaving the synagogues untouched. This is what was done in the jewish bolshevik-run USSR and its satellite states.

  10. Excellent article Eric, spot on. The ‘bugger off’ is best. Fundamentally, you must have a core of common assumptions to debate. It doesn’t work with someone who exists in a different reality. .

  11. Oh, this post is fantastic. I am an anti-leftist surrounded by leftists, so I see the patterns that you have identified pretty much every day of my life. Asking questions which nudge their minds, which have been shriveled by leftism, to attempt thought will typically end a discussion. It’s remarkable how much of leftist politics is a secular religion, where people unthinkingly recite the holy prayers written by the leadership.

    When you ask questions, you will inevitably walk them into self-contradiction, and what really warms my heart is if a discussion ends with, “I don’t want to talk about this anymore” when they started it. They’re unwilling or unable to change their shriveled minds about anything, so that’s the best you can do.

    Also, kudos for bringing up Sowell. I’ve been reading him for about 20 years. Add some Walter Williams, Walter Block, Henry Hazlitt to your repertoire, and you can refute anything.

    • “It’s remarkable how much of leftist politics is a secular religion, where people unthinkingly recite the holy prayers written by the leadership.“

      These people aren’t even leftists in the doctrinaire sense. They are “support the current thing” regimists at best. Send billions to Ukraine to harm Russia? Harm your own children with drag queen story hour and experimental shots? What tenets of leftism doctrine that we all know of do these things even correspond to? The unthinking aspect is what makes debate impossible.

  12. The elimination of unjust laws….

    The trial by jury by your peers….

    Who is in charge?….how to get rid of unjust laws….

    @ 3:30 in video the people are in charge not the government

    @ 4:40 in video ATTENTION: you don’t have influence through voting

    @ 10:18 on the parliament website they claim they are sovereign…which is false

    @ 17:12 trial by jury has been weakened

    ATTENTION: a way to get rid of unjust laws….
    @ 18:36 in the trial by jury…… the law…the legislation is also on trial and can be cancelled by the jury….the jury has that power

    @ 35:20 the outside control group the wef gang don’t like constitutions…they have to fight…. attacked using constitutional law

    @ 41:12 king charles the 3rd can’t take his coronation oath if he is supporting policies of the WEF…presidents and prime ministers…the same issue….

    @ 43:00 all trials should be by jury…the power to punish is only in the hands of the people

    @ 45:30 spread the memes shown on the website on social media and to politicians and government

    • How to fight back…get rid of unjust laws….

      in the trial by jury…… the law…the legislation is also on trial and can be cancelled by the jury….the jury has that power…this is how you get rid of bad unjust laws….

      DOCUMENTARY ON JURY NULLIFICATION of laws…a real case of this happening…

  13. Remember a few years ago when Mike Rowe (host of Dirty Jobs) was talking about safety “third”? He was mocking the workplace “safety first” campaigns that have been around for decades. He pointed out that if safety was indeed first, how little actual work would get done.

    They jumped down his throat for merely pointing that out.

    But Mike is really good at deflating these dumb arguments without being mean, angry or being a jerk about it. Granted most of what he says ends up going over their heads, but he is a really good debater. He is a good example of changing the terms of the debate to at least something neutral.

  14. The pigeon meme is hilarious, Eric.

    As a counterpoint, that bitch governor from New Mexico was on the telly this morning, and she patronizingly (matronizingly?) derided her own state regarding her anti-firearm fatwa, stating, essentially, that “when you children can be SAFE, you can have your toys back”.

    Makes my blood boil. D:<

    She's nearly a clone of our Az governess, Hobbes. Some bitter, self-important twat, trying to be the world's mommy by excoriating everyone who doesn't make SAAAAFETY their unrivaled priority.

    Luckily, I can step out my door and on to my rudimentary gun range, where I can help alleviate my anger by putting some lead in some inanimate objects.

    • >bitter, self-important [*STUPID*] twat
      When asked if she thought the criminal element would obey her fatwa, she said “No.”
      Which means, “your children can [*NEVER*] be SAFE,” unless you are a fatwa-disregarding criminal. More safety for criminals, please!

      Disarmed your taxpayer provided bodyguard yet, Michelle?
      That’s what I thought.

      • “Disarmed your taxpayer provided bodyguard yet, Michelle?”

        Of course not! To amalgamate what you said, Adi, the AGWs are exempt, and if they enforce this horseshit, they really ARE criminals.

        • I stand with BC Sheriff Allen, who has stated unequivocally the BCSO will *NOT* enforce the Führerinbefehl, because it is unconstitutional.
          Likewise the BC District Attorney, and Chief Medina of APD.

          For those not familiar with the area, metropolitan Albuquerque includes areas which are not in Bernalillo County. Those include the City of Rio Rancho and the Village of Corrales, which are in Sandoval County. Rio Rancho is home to the big Intel plant, the twin of which is in Chandler, AZ.
          So, the attempted fatwa doesn’t even encompass all of metro Albuquerque, only that part which lies in Bernalillo County.

          No response yet from the Chief of NMSP, but this is sounding more and more like the sound of one hand (Michelle’s left hand) clapping for herself.
          [vox Nelson Muntz] Ha, Ha! [/Muntz]

          • Interesting exchange between her and CNN talking head:


            From link:

            Harlow pointed to the state’s constitution: “The New Mexico constitution, I looked last night, Article 2, Section 6, says this, ‘No law shall abridge the right of citizens to keep and bear arms for security and defense. No municipality or county shall regulate in any way any incident the right to keep and bear arms.’ Are you not in violation of both the U.S. Constitution and your state’s constitution?”

            “I don’t believe that we are,” Grisham replied. “And if that narrow reading of the Constitution, which has been tested in the state, we wouldn’t have universal background checks, we wouldn’t have a waiting period, we wouldn’t have a red flag law, we wouldn’t have prohibitions for straw purchases. None of those would have been deemed constitutional. And today all of them are.”

              • I too said that as soon as I heard about this whole affair and still agree with it. Yet, you have to understand how the precedents have been set. Eric talks about this a lot, especially when dealing with the concern trolls. We’re not even dealing with duly legislated laws now.

  15. I am starting to love Bobby Kennedy Jr.

    He hates vaccines, antiwar, is actually talking about the Great Reset, and actually has the balls to call out State Street, Vanguard, and BlackRock.

    Trump reminds me of the Hulk. All he knows how to do is destroy, destroy, destroy. He (nor Biden) shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House.

    • You’re just bitching to hear your own head rattle. A guy who built towers in the toughest real estate market in the USA and all you can do is whine.

      RFK stumbles on some good points and will help shift the narratives on some key questions but he’s dead nuts wrong on 2A and the climate.

      • “You’re just bitching to hear your own head rattle.”

        That doesn’t even make sense. If you are going to insult, you really have to do better than that.

        Keep supporting Trump. I am sure he really gives a shit about you.

        • The both of you can get either or both installed in office, it won’t matter one iota. They will change nothing except the names on the stationary. RFK’s father and uncle showed us clearly what happens to any one who tries to.

          • Ya know. I do. Brother John.

            He’s got his flaws2ndAmend, for sure.

            Howevah; He comes across as … a real human being.

            Him being in office might not change much,… or it might?

            ‘The office’ only has so much ability, so his anti-2ndAmend ain’t much worry without a Dem Full House & Senate.

            …But then, psft… I’m not a registered voter, so …

          • Hi John,

            I think much of Kennedy’s appeal isn’t so much political as it is psychological. By which I mean he seems to be a guy who is intelligent and thoughtful – i.e., not a script-reading pathological narcissist. Listen to him speak. He speaks in coherent English in the way adults used to speak before the culture descended into infantilism. Facts appear to matter to him. You can have a discussion with such a man.

            Many people are desperate for that. I know – the bar is low. But there it is.

    • Hopefully Bobby Kennedy Jr. is not a freemason….his uncle JFK wasn’t…and the elite aristocracy had to get rid of him….JFK was the only president that wasn’t a freemason….

      the freemasons are the political arm of the wef/elite control group….freemasons…a secret society….actually a religion…they worship satan….they are all religious fanatics…

      JFK speech on secret societies….

        • Freemasons and Catholics are enemies. The Knights of Columbus was started amongst Catholics as a challenge to the Masons. In the business world Masons would make sure they hired only their own. The Catholics needed a group that would behave in the same manner. Things have toned down nowadays but there is still a significant rivalry.

        • from Eustace Mullins

          Nimrod became the first man to rule the whole world.
          Nimrod also introduced the practice of genocide to the world.

          Nimrod, who was born on December 25th, the High Sabbath of Babylon, was the founder of Babylon and the city of Nineveh. In the history of mankind, Nimrod stands unequaled for his symbolism of evil and Satanic practices. He is credited for having founded Freemasonry and for building the legendary Tower of Babel, in defiance of God’s will.

          In talmudic literature, he is noted as “he who made all the people rebel against God.” Pes. 94b. The legend of the Midrash recounts that when Nimrod was informed of Abraham’s birth, he ordered all the male children killed, to be certain of eliminating him. Abraham was hidden in a cave, but in latter life he was discovered by Nimrod, who then ordered him to worship fire. Abraham refused and was thrown into the fire.

          The legendary symbol for Nimrod is “X.” The use of this symbol always denotes witchcraft. When “X” is used as a shortened form meaning Christmas, it actually means “to celebrate the feast of Nimrod.” A double X, which has always meant to double-cross or betray, in its fundamental meaning indicates one’s betrayal into the hands of Satan.

          When American corporations use the “X” in their logo, such as “Exxon,” the historic Rockefeller firm of Standard Oil of New Jersey, there can be little doubt of this hidden meaning.

          The importance of Nimrod in any study of the occult cannot be over-emphasized. Because of the powers given him by the clothing of Adam and Eve,

          He indulged that power by launching excesses and horrors which have never been equalled. Ever since the time of Nimrod, Babylon has been the symbol of depravity and lust.

          His grandfather, Ham, having consorted with other races, and brought children of mixed race into the world, was persuaded by his consort, the evil Naamah, to practice ritual murder and cannibalism. She informed Ham that by killing and eating fair-skinned people, his descendants could regain their superior qualities.

          Throughout the ensuing centuries, the fair-skinned descendants of Shem, Noah’s oldest son, have ritually been slaughtered by the darker descendants of Ham and Nimrod, in the world’s most persistent campaign of racial and religious persecution.

          Not only did Nimrod kill and eat the fair-skinned descendants of Shem, in his fury and hatred he often burned them alive.

          The type of human sacrifice involving the eating of the slaughtered human victims derived its name from the combined names of his uncle, Canaan, and the demon god Baal, the two names being combined to form the word “cannibal.” Nimrod was also known in ancient history by the names of Marduk, Bel, and Merodach.

          Because of his importance in its history, Babylon was known as the Land of Nimrod. Nimrod is also cited in the most ancient Masonic constitutions as the founder of Freemasonry

          • evil Naamah said to…… to practice ritual murder and cannibalism. She informed Ham that by killing and eating fair-skinned people, his descendants could regain their superior qualities.

            white man is most hated…..
            In the alleged emergency the last 3 years the white euro descendants were targeted in the cull….replaced by non white migrants….

          • The legendary symbol for Nimrod is “X.” The use of this symbol always denotes witchcraft. When “X” is used as a shortened form meaning Christmas, it actually means “to celebrate the feast of Nimrod.” A double X, which has always meant to double-cross or betray, in its fundamental meaning indicates one’s betrayal into the hands of Satan.

            twitter renamed X….musk is a freemason…..

          • Throughout the ensuing centuries, the fair-skinned descendants of Shem, Noah’s oldest son, have ritually been slaughtered by the darker descendants of Ham and Nimrod, in the world’s most persistent campaign of racial and religious persecution.

            Not only did Nimrod kill and eat the fair-skinned descendants of Shem, in his fury and hatred he often burned them alive.

            where is the reparations for the white’s?

      • Dr. Sean Hross Phd. Historian …. Exposes what is Real Behind the Muslims vs. Freemasons

        @ 2:00 in video alex jones info wars is part of the control group…

        @ 6:34 the isis…the pharaohs are the evil ones in the koran and in the bible…

        @ 7:00 isis together with satan murdered her husband…then circumcised her son as an alliance with satan to mutilate the body…all pharaoh slaves were circumcised…a satanic act…mutilating god’s creation…

        @ 14:33 king charles the 3rd is related to muhammad the prophet….european royalty is all related to muhammad….all of them are related to the pharaoh satanic bloodline…they are all pharaohs… the control group at the top

      • The luciferion aristocracy control group on top…….The Davos crowd, Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove, G20, the UN, WHO, and WEF

        ……the templars are the military wing,
        the freemasons (a satanic religious cult)are the political wing,
        the vatican is the religious wing (the vatican is in bed with the satanists now)…,
        the financial wing is the swiss banks, they are the banksters…(they practice usury which is against the christian and muslim religions)….they invented banks and fiat money……
        they also control the allopathic medical system that has a worldwide monopoly…which was invented by Paracelsus another satanist…

        The Pharaoh’s feudal system is still in place today….the King….(also presidents, prime ministers), at the top…slaves on the bottom…the tax slaves and debt slaves..

      • Obelisks are all over the place…usually in front of government parliament buildings…people have no idea what they are….

        the indigenous ripped down statues of colonial invaders….but the obelisks are untouched…..they are the symbol of the invaders who took over….

        The pharaoh kings built obelisks…it is a phallic symbol…a symbol of pharaonic domination…the pharaoh king’s power……..the top is tapered…circumcised…the pharaohs circumcised the slaves…the mark of the slave…the same is true today….these obelisks are all over the world today…a sign of pharaoh bloodlines still in power….

        obelisks new york……..

      • Hi Adi,

        Maybe, but he has pointed out the big three. That in itself takes some balls. He also said out loud what the WEF plans to do and the Great Reset. I have never heard another politician say this out loud much less discuss it on a podcast.

        • Hi, RG,
          I agree with Mike in Boston that RFK Jr. might be playing with his own life, as outspoken as he has been on some topics. Besides which, it would certainly be normal for him to want to expose the truth, whatever that may be, about who killed his father and his uncle. I would hate to see him meet the same fate, obviously. I respect his courage in speaking out, knowing the possible risk to his own safety.

          • Hi Adi,

            I think he knows he is, but so is every politician, career government official, and whistleblower that speaks out. He is taking a huge gamble and I respect him for that.

            Unless people tell the American people what is going on behind the curtain we will not know. Yeah, we know there is a Swamp and it is pretty damn big, but I don’t think we have any idea on how truly disturbed and twisted our government is.

    • So do I. I don’t trust his positions on “carbon” or “climate.”

      His 2A statements reek of donkey democrat shit of the 1960s.

      On the other hand, I think that a Kennedy presidency would be the most effective in rolling over entire parts of this unjust corrupt government system. He does have a bone to pick and I think that his agency review of “corporate capture” would temporarily stop all of the bullshit mandates that they are busy coming up with every day.

      Perhaps he could be convinced of a reasonable approach on emissions and safety regulations. Provided he included a cost/benefit analysis with each one. With him, that’s not a given. It’s not his inclination.

      • He, at least, would release the JFK files. 🙂 He seems to refuse to go along with the CIA/FBI claim on who killed his father and uncle.

    • “I am starting to love Bobby Kennedy Jr.” -RG Whoa! Whoa! You’re going to regret this statement. Never fall in love with a politician.

      Make no mistake. RFK, Jr. is and has always been a leftist. He advocated potentially criminalizing wrongthink on the “climate crisis.” I think he may have made reference to jailing them.

      He also recently said he wants to create yet another government program to buy homes, saying: “If you have a rich uncle who will cosign your mortgage, you can get a much lower rate because the bank will base it on his credit rating rather than yours. So I’m going to give everybody a rich uncle, Uncle Sam, who will guarantee mortgages for first-time single-family homebuyers at 3% interest. . .We have now a surplus of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac… I could tie those institutions into this program.” This is government central planning and it will necessarily make it more expensive for first-time buyers to buy homes.

      He also said he would sign a bill banning “assault weapons.” Anybody using or agreeing to the term “assault weapons” is a leftist.

      RFK, Jr. will not get the Democratic nomination. He is not supported by Democrats. He will not win the presidency. He’s there solely to appeal to libertarian leaning folks like yourself. He’s being supported to run as a 3rd party candidate to take the votes of those who would otherwise hold their noses and vote for Trump to say F-you to the rotten system.

      • Hi ML,

        Maybe I should not have used the word “love”, but I do like that he is speaking “unspeakable” things out loud. I realize he is still a leftie, but he is a 1960s Democrat, they were usually a bit more reasonable than whatever the hell today’s Asses call themselves. If today’s Democrats don’t like him that means he saying something they don’t want to hear.

        Trump isn’t going to get my vote anyway. I cannot forgive the COVID lockdowns and how he played along with it. His Administration allowed the FDA to sign off on the “safe and effective” vaccine. He still prides himself on it. Trump also stated he would have no problem taking our guns away.

        Here is who we have to choose from:

        RFK Jr.

        Oh, the choices. If they would bring Harry Browne back from the dead or Rand Paul would throw his hat into the ring I would happily choose either of them over the options that we have, but those choices are not available.

        Since RFK Jr. is not soaring in the polls they are trying to keep him quiet. Why? It would seem he would be a shoo in for the old Democrat party.

        I admire people that speak truth and he seems to be the only one out there speaking it. I don’t agree with everything he says or even does, but if I can find 60% shared values with someone that is better than 30% or 0.

        • Or you could do as I do, and not lend your support to the entire charade, by NOT voting. There once was an effort to put “none of the above” on ballots. That I might go vote for.

            • Hi RG,
              Sadly you are correct, the PTB aren’t going to allow RFK,Jr. On the ballot. As Mark Twain said “if voting mattered they wouldn’t allow it”. I supported his father’s campaign back in 1968 and I fear a similar fate will befall him if he gains traction with voters. It speaks volumes that the Biden thing has refused Secret Service protection to his campaign even though he clearly qualifies for it. On the other hand he might be better off with his own security since the SS were clearly involved in the murder of JFK.

        • They’re all awful, but dare I say DeSantis is the least worst? At least he’s sort of a known quantity and has stood actually pushed back back the left.

          Ultimately my middle fingers are up at all of it.

          • Hi ML,

            I like what DeSantis has done in FL. I watched him during the hurricanes, trying to get rid of ESG, the firing of the AG, etc. He handled these very well. Six months ago I would have picked DeSantis in a landslide. He concerned me during the Republican debate at the end of last month though. The canned answers, looking around the stage before he raised his hand, etc. A confident candidate would not be so hesitant. Either someone knows their mind or they don’t. One can broach a subject tactfully, but it may not always be the most popular decision or what people want to hear. An adult would accept the consequences of that, but still be resolute. I felt he was uncomfortable with the whole format and didn’t speak from the heart (or brain). People can see through phoniness and that is what I got from him that night.

            A week later I saw how he handled Hurricane Idalia and he was in charge and assertive. Maybe it was nerves that got him on stage or just trying to stand out among the competition, but I saw a man that could easily be manipulated.

    • Anyone who doesn’t think they are contributing to the problem by having money in Black Rock, Vanguard, or State Street hasn’t read their 401(k) plan mailings closely enough.

      Capo Gecko also pops up as a large institutional holder in some companies, but Warren Buffett is more selective about where he puts Berkshire’s capital.

      The current spat between Charter and Disney is an example of what happens when someone attempts to muscle in on Capo Gecko’s turf. The Big 3 own both in sizeable quantities, but the difference is that Berkshire has 2.5% of Charter.

  16. No need to debate them. They’ve said it themselves, ‘the $cience is settled.’ That should tell us all we need to know. People who’s minds think in Esperanto are unreachable in English or Spanglish.

    There are no honest Leftists left that I can see. Everyone espousing ‘liberalism’ is a power mad tyrannical tyrant in the making. At this point I prefer the term Marxist, still not perfect, it cuts closer to the bone than liberal/leftist.

    The only reason to debate one other than boredom, and sharpening your debate skills is if you enjoy making them cry. Which is so easy, its not as fun as it used to be.

  17. If they are going to cast you as a right wing extremist with tribal inclinations, be the best extremist you can be. At this point there is nothing to lose. Except what freedom we have left. It is not the time to entertain these rotten children

  18. If you are going to drive an EV, be sure to have a few ICE cars travel along with you so you can have the privilege of being able to charge the battery without waiting in line.

    Jennifer Granholm’s entourage had the cops called on her for blocking a charging station along the way of her wandering journey.

    A family with an EV that needed charging was denied the spot, so they called the police to help resolve the maddening encounter.

    Another hypocritical stupid gov official who feels privileged and entitled, the peons can be ignored, given the bum’s rush.

    Ain’t that America?

    The one you don’t want to see, ever.

    You know it is going to end, and good riddance.

  19. I asked a series of questions last year about the COVID-19 “vaccines” on social media, and some brain dead Leftie accused me of “not paying attention”, being “uneducated”, and being a CONSPIRACY THEORIST. This clown even sent me a “fact check” article from Reuters about the FDA having “fully approved” Pfizer’s COVID jab in 2021. The problem with that article was, it read like a propaganda piece for the Biden regime and Big Pharma, as the FDA “fully approved” something that wasn’t even available in the U.S. at the time called Comirnaty, while Pfizer’s COVID jab retained EUA. Nevertheless, Reuters, the establishment media, and the Biden regime touted Pfizer’s COVID jab as FULLY APPROVED, and shortly afterward, Biden tried to MANDATE the COVID jabs for employers with 100+ employees. Will the Biden Thing try to MANDATE these “new and improved COVID jabs” for Americans regardless of whether they’ve had ZERO jabs or the “recommended number of COVID jabs” per the CDC?

  20. Leftists are expert at setting up the Straw Man Argument. A friend of mine that is highly intelligent is constantly doing it, e.g. “People that don’t read books want to ban them.” was a recent offering. It seems to be a universal trait of leftist and conmen.

    As far as “If yer not doin’ sumpthin’ wrong, what’s yer problem?” (precise quote of Sue Myrick, R-NC on the DHS TIPS program in 2003) I would simply as, “If I’m not doing anything wrong, what’s YOUR problem?”. Being obsessed with the actions of others used to be considered a perversion, sickness or criminal. Now it’s a resume enhancement for those seeking positions in GovCo.

    • Hi Mark,

      “If yer not doin’ sumpthin’ wrong, what’s yer problem?”

      I hate that saying, because (and I am paraphrasing Slick Willie) what is the definition of “wrong”?

      If it does not tread upon someone else’s personal space or possessions is it wrong? I think we can all pretty much agree that murder, stealing, and rape are wrong. But, if I want to paint my house blue with white polka dots why is that wrong? If I want to own 80 chickens in my backyard why is that wrong? If the guy next door wants to smoke a little Mary Jane on his front porch why is that wrong? If I don’t want to register my car why is that wrong?

      I am tired of the oligarchy dictating to the rest of us what is “bad” or “against the law”. Laws are man made and can be changed on a whim. I have no desire to abide by them. If I do it is because my sense of ethics and the law overlap not because some elitist with a burr up his/her ass tells me that I need to.

      • HI RG,

        Remember, God gave us only 10 Commandments. Three deal with our relationship with God. The other seven how we deal with the rest of humanity. If you notice those seven revolve around not hitting people, taking their things or being dishonest. That’s all.

        The vermin that populate GovCo and style themselves “lawmakers’ have no limits on their petty tyranny. Their delusions of godhood run rampant in their arrogant and narcissistic personae.

  21. My leftist friend when he gets a few in him and gets wide said, that I and others should be killed for our views. He never apologized.

    But he is the first to complain about the surly cop who busted his son over nothing, the rude IRS agent who audited him, or the school district that was teaching some new age thought experiment to his kids. Other than that, government is all good.

      • Hi Mike & ML,

        We certainly saw cognitive dissonance among Lefties when it came to mask & vaxx mandates, as they bleated “My body, My choice!” & “Women’s right to choose!” for years when it came to abortion. However, when it came to mask & vaxx mandates, they supported MANDATORY masks & jabs for ALL. They’ve also bleated for years about how evil Big Pharma is, even declaring in 2020 they weren’t taking any “Trump vaccine”, but after Joe Biden got into office in 2021, they’ve effectively become vaxx holes as well as Big Pharma’s biggest shills. And given the sinister agenda being pushed by the WEF, the UN, and the WHO, many Lefties have also become useful idiots for the global psychopaths.

  22. This is 100 percent accurate. Not accepting their premise will knock them off balance. Then you can show them their stupid policies dont work anyway as if to go in for the kill. They are rabid animals and have to be treated as such. Nothing more, nothing less

  23. Arguing with leftists is tilting at windmills because they don’t listen to reason (or much of anything really).

    Instead, I’d prefer to cut their nuts / ovaries out to keep them from breeding. And cut their voice box out in order to shut them the hell up.

    • Hi Mike,

      I think we have about a generation before they are fully extinct. I love it when a feminist declares to the rest of us she “cares about the climate and refuses to produce children.”

      You go, honey! Tell all of your girlfriends to do the same.

  24. ‘“Conservatives” serially lose arguments with the Left – and elections – because they accept the Left’s premises.’ — eric

    Though the Uniparty has been around forever, its left wing used to oppose foreign wars, along with a few grizzled old ‘America Firsters.’ Now its soi-disant lefties — personages such as Liz Warren — turn up in Kieeeeeeeeeev for photo shoots, arm-in-arm with rum-soaked RINOs such as Lindsey Graham.

    Together with socialist Europe, the Uniparty has built NATO into a monster which will not stop till it provokes World War III:

    ‘The upcoming Steadfast Defender NATO war drills, set for early 2024, will be the biggest military exercises in Europe since the end of the Cold War, the Financial Times is reporting Monday.

    ‘Slated to run in February and March, Steadfast Defender is likely to be seen as a provocation by Moscow given it will take place across Germany, Poland, and the Baltic states – the latter of which border Russia.

    ‘Expected to involve between 500 and 700 air combat missions, more than 50 ships, and about 41,000 troops, it will model maneuvers against an enemy coalition led by Russia, named Occasus for the purposes of the drill.’

    WW II ushered in the permanent welfare-warfare state, whose national security organs such as the FBI, CIA and NSA have become de facto appendages of the socialist Democrat party.

    WW III will install the WEF’s ‘you will own nothing and be happy’ regime, with central bank digital currencies and 15-minute cities effectively locking down humanity like lab rats.

    This is NATO’s mission on behalf of the WEF. NATO is the enemy of the people … and the apple of Clowngress’s eye. Not one of its 535 poison dwarves opposes it.

    Meanwhile, hot conflict is the last ace up the sleeve of ‘war president Biden,’ who might well die in his boots as old Frank Roosevelt did.

    • Hi Jim,

      I am grateful that – so far – Putin has acted with the kind of restraint and sense that has been absent among the leadership cadre of this country since Jimmy Carter. Whatever Jimmah’s many flaws, he wasn’t a warmonger. Everyone since has been.

      • History will show that Vladimir Putin and his foreign minister Sergey Lavrov were the model statesmen of the early 21st century.

        They make ‘Biden’ and ‘Blinken’ look like sniping schoolboys, as the RINO party tees up neocon warmonger Nikki Haley to supersede the failing Meatball DeSantis in ‘opposing’ the incumbent.

        With ‘leaders’ like these, no wonder America is arcing in mid-flight toward the shitcan.

        • >History will show that Vladimir Putin and his foreign minister Sergey Lavrov were the model statesmen of the early 21st century.

          I agree completely. Mr. Lavrov, in particular, has shown remarkable restraint when dealing with the “crazies” of the U.S. and other warmongers.

      • I think that if Jimmah would not have given the malaise speech and gotten rid of the 55 mph national speed limit which he promoted, he would have been reelected.

        I recently listened to the 1980 debates. Frankly, both candidates were awful, but Reagan’s ideas dismantled the social safety net while still robbing the middle class through increased regulation and enforcement of the tax code, just at slightly reduced levels.

        I’m not sure what would have happened with our civil rights and liberties had carter been reelected, but something tells me he wouldn not have passed 21 year old drinking ages and whatnot

        • Indeed, Swamp –

          My sense of Jimmah – from afar and so obviously just a “sense” of him – is that he isn’t a bad man. He’s been married to the same woman for essentially all of his adult life and his kids/family seem normal; this is a general “tell” that a person is not a bad person. Was Jimmah misguided – even wrong – on any number of things? Yes, absolutely. But my sense is he had no desire to actually hurt anyone and that he is a thoughtful person.

          Reagan, on the other hand, was superficially affable but so scripted you had a hard time figuring out whether there was anything behind the script.

          • I heard that Reagan’s private versus public persona was different. I don’t know. His record as CA governor was mixed. He was fortunate to govern during the good days. A lot of people make the mistake of rating a politician on how things were doing at the time they were in charge. Example – Clinton got way too much credit for the economy at the time he was president. The internet economy saved his ass and let him win California again. Nixon got way too much credit for how things were leading up to 1972, although his policys were slated to make everything worse. The Clean Air Act. Gold Standard, OSHA, etc.

            The only exception i have seen is Trump. His policies of tariffing foreign steel quantifiably saved over 40,000 steel, aluminum and spinoff jobs in the midwest. That was the man’s only policy achievement.

          • If I ever had the pleasure and privilege of meeting President Carter, whom I generally admire as an individual (i.e. character, not necessarily policy), the one question I would like to ask him would be, “How did it feel to shake the hand of a known terrorist and mass murderer?” Meaning, of course, the infamous Menachem Begin.
            > Begin was described by the British government as the “leader of the notorious terrorist organisation”.

            • The Jews of Israel like to whine about “Arab terrorists,” which is the depth of hypocrisy, since the State of Israel was, unquestionably, founded by Jewish terrorists, and is currently ruled by more of the same, including Netanyahu and his followers.

        • Reagan’s ideas dismantled the social safety net while still robbing the middle class through increased regulation and enforcement of the tax code

          Reagan didn’t even do that. He increased the social safety net even faster than Bill Clinton did. He just reduced the rate of increase. He did rob the middle class as you said, though. Don’t forget his Social Security tax jacks.

          • Thank you. I did forget about that. I have been paying into that squirrel cage for decades. So long, I forgot what it was like before.

            His Freeeeee trade swindled the middle class.

            • Yes he did. At the time I thought that was good. I was sorely mistaken. Of course, I was about 17 at the time. so I knew nothing. That’s why the voting age should be 21 minimum.

              • It WAS good. PATCO was a government employee union, which should not be legal.

                Kennedy gave us government employee unions. For that I say he ultimately got what he deserved.

                • RE: “Kennedy gave us government employee unions. For that I say he ultimately got what he deserved.”

                  Much as I see your point, That’s really harsh, mang.

                  Whew, why am I in a thread where, “the voting age should be 21 minimum”?

                  Let’s just divy up the spoils now and get beyond the robbery.

        • Carter also created the wretched Departments of Education and Energy and ever since there’s been a shortage of both.

          His intentions may have been good but you know what they say about traveling to hell…

      • I would much rather have a president like Putin than this asshole. At least they are not trying to ban gas stoves and run electric cars down everyones throat.

    • Hmmmm, wonder what the “carbon footprint” of those exercises will be. Guess the climate “crisis” doesn’t apply to govco, only the peasants.

    • >it will take place across Germany, Poland, and the Baltic states – the latter of which border Russia.
      Q: And how would the GIW (Government in Washington) react if Russia planned to conduct war games in Mexico?
      A: It would make the Cuban Missile Crisis look like a kid’s birthday party. WWIII, here we come, IOW.

      • NATO has pushed Russia into a zero response time. If they see what “appears” to be a launch, they won’t have time to evaluate it, but must strike back immediately. Doctor Strangelove, here we come.

    • This may be the plan for NATO, but NATO will not win this war against Russia. Russia rightly considers this war to be an existential threat against its existence. In addition to a huge conventional military force, Russia owns thousands of nuclear weapons that could easily destroy all of Europe and the United States. Russia’s nuclear doctrine is that it will use these weapons if its existence is at stake.

      Adding Ukraine to NATO and installing nuclear weapons in Ukraine right on Russia’s border is a red line for Russia that it will not permit to be crossed. Any more than the United States would permit Russia to install nuclear weapons in Mexico, Canada, and Cuba. This is an existential threat to Russia’s existence. Having NATO take over Ukraine is not an existential requirement for NATO.

      NATO’s plan seems to be to keep the war going indefinitely, bleeding Russia into submission until it surrenders. Ukraine has already pretty much lost the war. If Ukraine keeps attacking Russia with drones as it is doing now, Russia will end these attacks one way or another. If NATO starts attacking Russia directly, without any pretense that the attacks are coming from Ukraine, Russia will attack NATO countries directly, including the United States if necessary. God help us if this ever happens.

  25. “If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.”

    The correct response is that line from Empire Strikes Back… “I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”

    The assumption is that the law will limit humans. Truth is the law is whatever The Head Guy In Charge says it is. The law only exists to justify whatever action HGIC wants to take.

    • I like to think that the only laws I am bound by are the external laws of physics and the internal laws of conscience that I impose on myself. Laws of man, I try not to concern myself with, except for purposes of self preservation.

  26. Sounds like some pretty good advice for dealing with the left, thanks.

    That picture of the pigeons is pretty accurate regarding the left. Sadly most people are the table and don’t even realize it.

  27. Eric, you are largely arguing against government in general, not just the Left.
    If they are so concerned about the welfare of the less fortunate, or a “need” to go to war, etc., let them get out their own checkbooks instead of stealing mine. What if taxes were all paid voluntarily, without the threat of a gang of armed goons coming to your door to collect them at gunpoint? I’m guessing the Psychopaths In Charge would have to do some work on their budget, both private and public.
    If we insist on having a government, it should be run like any other charity. What if the Salvation Army started sending out goons with guns to collect “donations” at gunpoint?
    Every government is founded upon its assumption of authority to kill you if you disobey. They cannot function without that assumption.

    • “If we insist on having a government, it should be run like any other charity. ” Kirby

      Exactly why the ‘founders’ shitkaned the Articles for the new Constitution. Government under the Articles depended upon the charity of the then sovereign states. It had no power as the power of the purse is always the base power of any government.

      Amazing how those 55 hero’s trashed state and citizen sovereignty in one fell swoop! Like the Patriot Act and countless other ‘Acts’, the new constitution was already roughed out before the convention. Which is why the supposed protection of our natural rights were mere amendments. Which is why they weren’t even made sticky,,, as in cannot be changed or eliminated.

      If it weren’t for some of the states holding out and demanding protection of these natural rights we wouldn’t have the nasty Bill of supposed Rights. Not that it matters as they have washed them down the garbage disposal along with every other decent thing America once stood for.

      The founders stated the nation needed a stronger central government. And what a doozy we got!

      Their ‘baby’ has likely exceeded their wildest dreams. I only wish they were here to enjoy it.

      • Re the Articles of Confederation, exactly. The so called founders were mostly real insurrectionists. Disposing of the existing Constitution because it did not allow for pilfering the people. Only a handful preventing us from becoming England 2.0.

    • You forgot that all those that favor war should be in the first squads in the first battle, just arrear those leaders in government who voted for entering it.

  28. “Pay your fair share.”

    An illegitimate unlawful government with no authority created a tax system to rob the tax slaves….they say they will spend the money to help you….like fixing the roads…..but the roads and infrastructure are falling apart….where did the money go?….how the .0001% elites own 90% of everything…soon to be 100%….

    Someone did some research in Australia….all the taxes go into one account….and then end up in an account in Switzerland…the head office of the control wef group…..


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