MANASSAS, VA — A 17-year-old boy is being persecuted because he and his 15-year-old girlfriend voluntarily shared naked pictures with one another. As if that were not enough injustice, the boy was forcibly photographed naked as evidence… and investigators want even more.
Trey Simms, 17, is the teen at the center of this controversy. He has been charged with two felonies — manufacturing and distributing child pornography — because of the text messages shared between he and his girlfriend, who is two years younger than him.
Police confiscated his cell phone and iPad as evidence. They also forced him to pose nude for photographs that would be used as further “evidence.” NBC Washington provided an interview with the boy’s aunt, in which she explained what has already been done to the boy:
“He said they took him to a room and took pictures of his genitalia,” Stacy Bigley [Trey’s aunt] said. “I asked if they’re allowed to do that, and [Trey] said, ‘I tried to refuse,’” which he did, he didn’t want to do it. They told him if he did not they would do it by force.”
A local magistrate signed off on a new search warrant Thursday, asking for more nude pictures of Trey’s genitalia to compare with evidence. The teen said police wanted to force him to become aroused.
According to the boy’s lawyer, Jessica Harbeson Foster, prosecutors want more nude photos of the boy — while he has a medically-induced erection. There is an actual signed search warrant to acquire “pictures of his erect penis.”
When Foster asked how police were going to acquire the photos, she was told, according to the Washington Post: “we just take him down to the hospital, give him a shot and then take the pictures that we need.”
“Who does this?” Ms. Foster asked. “It’s just crazy.”
“This is a 17-year-old who goes to school every day, plays football, has never been in trouble with the law before,” said the boy’s lawyer to the Washington Post. “Now he’s saddled with two felonies and the implication that he’s a sexual predator. I don’t mind trying the case. My goal is to stop the search warrant. I don’t want him to go through that. Taking him down to the hospital so he can get an erection in front of all those cops, that’s traumatizing.”
News story here.
Sounds to me like the cops and prosecutors are acting like peds themselves. Pot calling kettle.
A typical clover doesn’t queue up properly in line, then yells at girls for cutting in front of him. How they were supposed to know he was even in the line, only the Sky Clover knows. Next time MYOB, stay in your lane, and you won’t get a well deserved beat down.
Also of note: If a non-cop were to do this, it would be felony child abuse, lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor, probably child endangerment. Just to name a few. Corrupting a minor would likely show up, too.
I don’t like the prosecution element either nonetheless yes possessing naked photos of a minor is going to stay a criminal offence regardless of whether it was voluntary or not. Libertarians are only going to ostracise themselves further if they play the “no harm was done” game.
No harm is done, Clover?
This kid is looking at a “sex offender” conviction on his record, which will follow him around for the rest of his life and render him unemployable as well as unable to live within two miles (IIRC) of a school, among other things.
For what? He’s 17 – his girlfriend is 15. They’re normal teenagers. There’s no exploitation – either real or even alleged. It’s just a stupid got-damned rule that was violated. No nuance, no consideration of the facts.
Just “the law is the law.”
So by your reasoning the age of consent and statist imposition? He’s 17 and? What if he were 30, 40, 50, etc.? As long as he’s young that makes it okay? If a middle-aged man still has such photos of a 15 year girl but his excuse it was taken back in the 80’s when he was a teenager so it’s okay?
But he’s 17, you galloping imbecile. Not “30 or 40, 50, etc.” His girlfriend is two years younger. She’s not 10 or 12 and clearly a child while he is clearly an adult. The two are age-appropriate contemporaries. Teenage sweethearts. There is no abuse involved here. And that’s the point you and yours miss.
Like Clover From Wichita, you conflate something harmless with something harmful. It’s despicably dishonest, because it is deliberate.
The loathsome witch hunt being perpetrated against this 17-year-old is of a piece with the insane “zero tolerance” polices that call the cops on a kindergartener who points his finger at a classmate and says “pow.”
I actually need to agree with Gil’s assertion here: “Libertarians are only going to ostracise themselves further if they play the “no harm was done” game.”
Many people are too stupid to think this sort of thing through.
Key example is established law: can’t Google it from here, but – two teens, two years apart (IE, covered by the “Romeo and Juliet” clauses most of these laws have) go across state lines to get married – because she’s pregnant. BOTH SETS of parents are present. BOTH SETS of parents consent. Marriage illegal for the girl in home state because of her age, but legal across the border in the neighboring state (OK, IIRC.) Police arrest him on the way back from the wedding at the border of the home state – and he now is a convicted sex offender, unemployable, because he was trying to do the right thing and marry the mother of his child.
He is branded as a pederast. For being a teenage male. With a willing female. And trying to make the child legitimate, instead of a bastard. (Of note, it wasn’t a shotgun marriage, by any means, they just moved up their timetable because she was pregnant. High school sweathearts.)
He is not unique, either. MANY cases, similar to this, where things go batshit crazy. As an example: If SHE Takes pictures of her breasts and sends them to HIM? HE will go to prison for RECEIVING child pron. She will not go to prison for MAKING child pron. HE is a sex offender; SHE is a victim.
Cases of teacher-student sex, too: Teacher lures child to their car, proceeds to seduce and have sex. When caught, he is forced to pay child support for her child. He’s 12! WTF?! THE TEACHER IS FEMALE. But reverse the sexes, see what happens. Hell, even if she’s 18, HE will be fired at the least, charged with rape perhaps – even if SHE DOESN’T BRING CHARGES, DOESN’T WANT THEM TO PRESS CHARGES, IS A WITNESS FOR HIM.
Gil, the laws are insane, and imporperly enforced. And given how touchy our society has become (an arrest can sink any future – forget a conviction!), I can’t even tolerate the idea of, “did the “crime,” get arrested per law, Prosecutor declines to prosecute as a victimless crime.” It’s WRONG, PRIMA FACIE, to destroy someone’s life, “because I can.”
Eric, I think you misread or mis-responded to Gil’s lip-flapping, BTW. “No harm is done” seems to have referred to the offence – not to the prosecutroial misconduct resulting in a charge/arrest/trial.
Lastly, back to Gil:
You ARE AWARE, I hope, that there are entrapment cases in the works. For instance, you can proof this out on you own desktop with any picture – make an HTML document and open it in your browser. Just give the hard drive location of an image. (I’ll let you look up the “how to.”) Set the sizing to 100X100 once, then change it to 1X1.
See the difference?
Well, the cops are putting up kiddie pron images on servers they are targeting. Whatever grabs those images – such as, for instance, the header or an advertising bot or THEIR INSERTED MALWARE – they claim the right to search every computer they can ID as hitting that site. E.G., hit Autotrader.com, get an invisible image – it’s downloaded to your harddrive. Guess what? Instant FELON (and sex offender.) for something YOU have no mens rea, no culpability, no intent, no knowledge of.
Now WTF do you do when cops kick in the door at 0-dark-30, kill your pets, terrorize your family, arrest you? Because YOU’RE GUILTY, as the law stands. No intent is required! Further, some of the images? Are reverse-aged, or of non-existent children!
THAT is where the harm is done, and done TO US. TOTAL Perversion of law.
The cops who made the images? No charges.
Cops who hacked the sites? No charges.
Cops who broke into your home, home invasion style – maybe caused property damage, maybe killed pets or family members? Immune.
The fact that you didn’t go LOOKING for this, didn’t KNOW about it? Irrelevant! You’re an EVIL PREDATOR SEX OFFENDER.
You will rot in jail as the lowest of the low for several years, and then have a Felony conviction and sex offender status for rest of your life. Say goodbye to a career as a doctor, counsellor, teacher, principal, coach, etc, etc, etc. You will have to pay to see your family for years, under “supervised visitation,” to make sure you’re not a pervert WRT your children. Assuming you even get to see them! Further, you’ll be mandated to go to counselling sessions and “diversion programs” (Or whatever they’re called) to make sure you don’t “sin” again.
This is mixed in with stories of “young ladies” (sluts) who get into parties, and talk (sports hero X) into going across the river (to NJ) so they can have sex – because NY has an age of consent that’s too high, but NJ is one year younger, so she’s legal there.
It’s not like these girls are innocent, virginal nuns, is the point.
Further, as distasteful as it is, even if he’s been told to NOT do it again (as alleged above) – he’s a teenage boy! And if he’s this bold – he’s probably an “Alpha”, a cad, maybe football captain, etc. No fear! Persistence pays off. She’s just not ready yet. The whole mating game is cat and mouse, anyway! He pursues, she runs away, imposes conditions, accepts the new level; rinse and repeat until she gives in.
Either you’ve never been a teenage boy (and I wouldn’t wish my sore arms on anyone….) – or you’d prefer we lived in Libertopia, which is only populated by perfect ladies and perfect gentlemen, when the men always accept her “no”, and she never spreads her legs… But when she’s ready, the man SHE WANTS says, “Yes, Madam,” does exactly what she wants, how she wants, reading her mind the whole time, and then leaves; he has no needs to meet, and would never pressure her….
BTW, that’s an INVERSION of human sexuality, but matches Bonobos (some of the wildest, most vicious monkeys there are) quite well. Female-dominant clans order the males around like most women imagine happens in the Playboy club, with men ordering women around.
See, Marilyn Monroe had it right when she said, “I don’t care if it’s a man’s world, as long as I can be a woman in it.” MAN takes all the risks. Woman is the gatekeeper of sex. (If he forces it, it’s rape.) MAN expends the capital to grow, develop a standing in the community and a home to live in. WOMAN steps in, shakes her ta-tas, and gains EVERYTHING he has – because she is a woman. HE tries to shelter and protect her, and provide for all her wants. She…. I don’t know WTF she does. (Traditionally.) Lower class women had to work, of course – barmaid, maid, farming, whatever. Middle- and upper-class ladies? It’s a mark of HONOR for her to not HAVE to work. (Yet they do anyway…)
Something stinks. Smells like fish… And old blood.
The jig is up on this one, too – “they’re Ruining Eve’s big Con Game” has run its course, and men are tired of dealing with entitlement whores across the spectrum. Western Woman is barely female, especially on the coasts. She’s not a woman – that has to be earned, culture has to make it worthwhile. Instead, we have “raunch culture” and “GRRRL POWER!” (I’m giving titles of books, BTW.)
It’s become a meme….
http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/threads/100498/ <– Source of the above; started by comparing US and Italian talkshow hostesses…
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-34180.html HE goes to jail, SHE walks free.
Leave aside that the whole thing is ridiculous, just explain how the laws can be enforced ONLY against males, and we still have a justice system?
BTW, one last European vs. American women item:
For comparison – here’s the European’s 2009 cover shoot. CHECK her birth date…
Comparison – current photo, to make sure it’s not out of date….
Age of consent are now statist nonsense? What it were a 40-year old dating a 15-year old? As long as it voluntary? Are you a Muslim because the great Prophet’s favourite wife was 9 years old?
You really cannot distinguish between two teenage kids in a consensual relationship and child sex abuse?