Go ahead – make my day.
Back in 1971, Clint Eastwood’s character said it on screen – and people were shocked. But it was just a movie. And besides, Dirty Harry only shot bad guys – murderous psychopaths, as in the original 1971 film.
In the sequel film – Magnum Force – Dirty Harry shot murderous, psychopathic cops.
Today we have Dirty Oddie – and he’s not a character on the silver screen. He’s an armed government worker – a law enforcement officer – in Tennessee. And he “loves this shit.”
Killing people, that is.
Those are Dirty Oddie’s own words. “God, I tell you what, I thrive on it,” he adds (in between chuckles).
Dirty Oddie thought he was talking behind closed doors, among his fellow armed government workers, when he uttered those words in the wake of yet another roadside execution that was the culmination of yet another needless escalation over the enforcement of an initially petty violation of statute.
Michael Dial, 33, was driving on a suspended license.
No one had been harmed. He wasn’t even bothering anyone.
He was merely driving without – so to speak – the King’s Permission. Apparently, an armed government worker ran the plates hanging off his battered old pick-up truck and thus began the fatal encounter.
When armed government workers attempted to stop Dial, he did not stop. Probably because he lacked the funds he knew the armed government workers would extract from his hide for driving without the “required” permission slip. Perhaps because he was understandably terrified of what else they might do.
Granted, he didn’t stop.
Are jaywalkers next on the Kill List?
The point is Dial wasn’t initially a criminal in even the misdemeanor sense and the armed government workers knew that, having run his name through their computers – which is how they discovered the suspended license “offense.” And it’s worth noting that Dial – who was white – was initially targeted for scrutiny – the license check – for the not-even-statutory “offense” of being poor. He was driving a battered and faded decades-old truck and hauling a trailer load of junk.
This drew their attention. Then their fire.
It is not in keeping with politically correct orthodoxies, but it’s not primarily skin color that paints a target on your back. It is economic status – as perceived among other qualifiers by the type of vehicle you drive.
At any rate, the armed government workers could have discreetly followed Dial rather than amped up the situation with their howling sirens and flashing lights – which are designed to confuse and disorient the target of their attentions.
They could have backed off – and calmed things down. Why not? There was no good reason to escalate as Dial wasn’t a threat to anyone.
But doing that would constitute the worst offense of all – a threat to the Authority of armed government workers. And that is a capital offense in America.
Dial led the armed government workers on a low-speed “pursuit” – his battered truck, which was pulling a trailer loaded with stuff he’d picked up at a flea market – was hardly capable of more.
Dirty Oddie’s men surround the truck, then ram it – and the trailer – attempting to sideswipe it off the road. This is not enough escalation for him. “Don’t ram him. Shoot him! Fuck that shit! You’re gonna tear my cars up.”
Dirty Oddie is more concerned about damaged sheetmetal than he is about Dial’s life – which ends shortly thereafter in the usual hail of bullets. Dial was not armed. All of this over a suspended driver’s license. All because Dirty Oddie could not tolerate such an offense – the affront to Authority, not the suspended license – to go unpunished.
Naturally, the local government prosecutor – who per SOP rarely if ever prosecutes other government workers – “cleared” the armed government workers shot Dial to death on the bloodthirsty orders of Dirty Oddie.
Who was caught on tape exulting in Dial’s death.
Dial’s widow is attempting to get the Feds to intervene, but this is like asking the Gambino family for assistance dealing with the excesses of the Genovese family. If she gets money, it will be extracted from other victims – the people of the Tennessee, who will be made to pay for Dirty Oddie’s crimes.
And the consequences – if any – will of course be purely financial. Dirty Oddie will not be removed from his position of “public trust” for reasons of obvious psychopathy. None of the armed government workers who carried out his psychopathic orders will see the inside of a jail cell.
When the video of this incident went public, Dirty Oddie claimed that he “ . . .gave the order to take him out because he was going to kill somebody if we hadn’t.”
But it was Dirty Oddie’s men who created the situation by escalating a trivial infraction into what became a roadside fusillade.
Driving on a suspended license does not mean one is driving dangerously. It means one is driving without government permission – that’s all. Is this offense so egregious that it justifies a multi-car pursuit? Ramming – and gunfire?
OJ got treated with greater discretion.
Would it have threatened public safety in any actual way to let Dial continue driving home and deal with the trivial infraction of the motor vehicle code later?
Even Dirty Harry would be disgusted.
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Improve the saving skills at their places.
I believe gun control for law enforcement officers is a must. This proves my case. They tend to abuse and kill people who pose no threat. Some encourage a response – violent or other wise- in order to up their case statistics and reputations. Very few LE officers can handle the responsibility to wear a badge.
Very few LEOs have the knowledge that a Boy Scout gains from earning marksmanship and government merit badges.
I am in Europe. Once I was in New Jersey for 3 months. A fellow countryman and me was on the highway and we saw police cars that had stopped someone. I remember my friend (who lived and worked in the US) say that the cops are fascists. That was back in 1996. Is it better or worse nowadays?
It is much worse, unfortunately. Not an opinion – harsh reality. The “events of 911” set it in motion, poured gas on the fire. The country became a police state almost overnight.
This was an excellent article! I love that you call them armed government workers, although calling them workers is a misnomer! Armed government terrorist or armed government tyrrants would be a more appropriate term!
Many are calling to decentralize as a solution to corruption. We must do the opposite! Have ballot initiatives to unincorporate and defund the armed government terrorists!
Don’t Decentralize! Unincorporate! The Largest Unincorporated Municipality of 91,000 People Is The 15th Safest City in America !
A Solution To End Fascism And Corruption
It Is Time For American Laws To Reflect Virtue And Ethics
He gets shot because he was rammed by the LEO into another LEO’s vehicle! And they say he was endangering other people! Under the assumption he was going to kill other people, while driving at low speed!
That dirty cop’s explanation of what happened is the most ludicrous story I ever heard.
NEVER should a minor driving offense be reason for shooting a suspect.
But I guess having all your permissions in order is more important than having the skill to drive a vehicle anymore.
What kind of major driving offense would justify an on-scene assassination?
You keep casting blame sideways instead of where it belongs. I mentioned in the post which you replied to that the first 3 presidents violated the constitution. If you are going to be consistent, then you should be blaming the citizens during that era for not impeaching the first 3 presidents along with a whole bunch of congresscritters.
Have you read the anti-federalist papers? Their predictions were correct! You have mentioned Thomas Jefferson. He was an anti-federalist. Patrick Henry did not attend the convention because he “smelled a rat.”
Of course the early politicians were going to wax eloquent about the new government they created!!! Do you really think that they would openly admit to having committed a successful coup d’etat? They would have been tarred and feathered before getting hung or drawn and quartered!Most of them were judges, politicians, and attorneys, so they knew perfectly well that they were entering gigantic loopholes in the constitution while it was being written. These are the reasons that I typically refer to the document as a CONstitution. It is also incorrect to refer to them as ‘the founding fathers of this country’! They founded a government, not a country! Each state was its own country back then.
Since you are a history buff, I recommend that you check out http://profcj.org/list-episodes/
Brian, you are correct. I believe the first giant steaming turd was the suppression of the Whiskey Rebellion. During the ill named “constitutional convention” when they were supposed to fix the Articles, as well as in the Federalist Papers, Hamilton lied his ass off. After the ratification he and his cronies did exactly the opposite of what they promised. An example followed to this day.
Yup. Once the scales fall from one’s eyes and one sees that almost all of the hagiography about the Constitution and the Founding Fathers is exactly that, it’s startling to think one once bought into it. At least, that’s how I feel/felt.
How is “taxation with representation” any better than without? Given that in either case, the money is extracted without consent?
The trick, of course, is tricky language.
It is implied that we – each of us – are in fact “represented” by dint of someone having been elected by some of the people, who may have given their general consent.
But no contract in law is binding upon any individual who has not himself specifically consented – as affirmed by his oath and signature, duly recognized. The idea that an individual who has not consented to parting with his money is somehow morally obligated to hand it over because a stranger has announced that he “represents” him – and given him the opportunity to vote – is to abrogate the idea of consent, since it is clear the individual’s will is an irrelevance insofar as what is done to him. Essential to the concept of consent is the power of the individual to refuse it. If that power is denied him, then regardless of the legerdemain used to obscure the fact, he is merely a pawn of others who hold power over him. Nothing more.
And the name for such a person is simple. He is a slave.
It should have been a clue that there is scant mention of taxation without representation in the laundry list of grievances that the Declaration elucidates.
I’d like to see a new battle cry for the times we live in:
“No Regulation Without Representation!”
The vast majority of the tyranny we suffer under comes from the regulatory state issuing proclamations, decrees, mandates and fatwas, all carrying the force of law, without a single vote, debate, filibuster or remark from any so-called representatives of “we, the people”.
I’d prefer no regulation without constitutionality.
Interesting that this shit still goes on in Tennessee.
Apparently the Sheriff and his department never heard of the United States Supreme Court case
TENNESSEE v. GARNER, (1985).
This is basic first day use of force stuff at any modern police academy.
By the time the lawyers are through these cops will be walking or using POV’s.
Most sheriffs never attend a police academy, let alone get any legal training other than a walk-through a Miranda card.
I hope Mr. Dial has some family members or close friends who will “Magnum Force” Oddie at some point in the future, like the line from the old Candid Camera tv show – sometime, somewhere, when you least expect it…..blow the maggot away! I would make it my life’s work to rain hell upon any costumed thug who murdered any family member; this shit won’t stop until a critical mass of people start dishing out some payback.
Totally with you Mike. Screw with my family, and the rest of my (probably short) life will be exacting revenge.
Revenge can be exacted a number of ways.
Asymmetrically, anonymously and with great effect.
The best revenge is the type this family is pursuing by hitting the agency and the county in the wallet. I’d also try to get a Federal civil rights case going against them and maybe some fed jail time. At least this way the family stays OUT of jail. I’d damn sure watch my step and stay squeaky clean until the law suit is resolved, and/or MOVE out of the state.
escaping that state whilst they yet can might be a good idea. Sort of slip their hawser and cruise to some unnamed port of refuge for a season.
Enough to make a cow eat meat.
Cows in feeding lots routinely eat meat.
All animal feed has protein. If you consider ground up chicken beeks cow eyes and ears meat … well almost anything you buy feed for is eating it
Anything that was living once has protein.
Meat is simply animal protein. Humans are not one of the animals that can access all plant protein.
The genome determines the construction of the proteins, not that of the complete animal.
Quality meat is derived from quality protein, and contains the highest percentage of amino acids needed to form meat.
I would prefer any damages awarded come out of the hides of the “heroes” – the armed government workers – responsible for this outrage. That they be held personally liable. That they be bankrupted – rather than the innocent taxpayers who are typically made to compensate the victims of armed government workers.
As I understand the suit, the cops are named as individuals as well as the Sheriff’s Dept.
The taxpayers pay the court’s award, not the offender.
All public officials are covered by bonding and insurance that pays.
The only way to tag them personally is to file a wrongful action against them in civil court.
Enough is enough.
Nobody is above the law.This type of bullshit killing has to stop.If they want to kill, find the dirty cops and exterminate them and bring back Honor to the Blue!!!
Was there ever any “honor” to the blue? Just like the head dick that was in charge of the raid on my wife and I……on a frickin rumor I knew everything about. His parting words were “And now they’re shooting at us” to which I replied “you mean shooting back”. This was more than he could stand and he whipped away from me and got in his car, last to leave since we we’re breaking any law….or any he knew of or we did either. I stopped by and complimented him on his “professionalism”, a very sarcastic remark not lost on the a-hole. They took their helo and left.
“Weren’t breaking any law”….scuse me.
Take a wander out to Baltimore, where some eight filthy coppers have recently been convicted and/or pled guilty to a gun running, armed robber, drug dealing ring operation they’ve been conducting for a few years. It seems quite likely there are more then the eight or so above the radar……. flush a few more of them out.
I echo 8 on this.
There was probably never any honor to the Blue, as in modern urban police/LEOs.
The Old West “peace officers” might have been honorable, and only sprung into action after a genuine crime that violated the NAP took place.
But modern cops? They enforce Malum prohibitum (plural mala prohibita, literal translation: “wrong [as or because] prohibited”) is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to conduct that constitutes an unlawful act only by virtue of statute, as opposed to conduct that is evil in and of itself, or malum in se.
They have no honor.
Good morning, Bevin!
Indeed. I have actually spoken with a couple armed government workers about this business. They shrug and claim they are “just doing their job” and “don’t write the laws.” I find this halting. Didn’t the Nazis on trial at Nuremburg attempt to justify what they did using precisely these arguments?
What, pray, is the difference?
An action is either right or it is wrong. Whether it is legal or not is often irrelevant to that question. And if an action is morally wrong, then to do violence to others on account of it being legal to do so makes one nothing more than a Nazi – that is, a person who will commit murder, provided it’s “legal” to do so.
Yup. On top of which we have the issue of “Who actually is guilty of evil?”
As many philosophers have argued, those who actually commit the act of violence are the truly guilty parties, such as sniper Chris Kyle, even more than the “leaders”, such as Bush or Obama.
The argument being that if no one was willing to join the military and police, then Bush or Obama would have to pull the trigger themselves.
Respectfully, I do not think there can be any such thing as “honor to the blue” (who now mostly wear black, to emphasize the intimidation) as what they do is inherently immoral. This probably sounds harsh to you. But, consider. If I (or you or any other person) did not consent to be “served” by these people then by what right are we compelled to pay their salaries? That’s for openers.
Next, consider the nature of the work they do. Is it even generally in the line of keeping the peace? Or is it predominantly enforcing laws? What is the nature of these laws?
They are generally mere statutes. That is to say, violations of rules written by other government workers. No harm to actual people is usually involved. That is to say, there are no victims.
Can there be such a thing as a crime without a victim?
If there is in fact no victim, then a victim is created by the enforcement of the statute against a person who harmed no one.
There are many examples of this – ranging from the petty (but no less tyrannical by dint of that) such as “buckle up” laws and laws that forbid a person from using his own body as he sees fit (this is the very definition of slavery, the degree being irrelevant) to greater outrages such as enforcement of legalized theft (taxation) and so on.
Since the law seems to have failed, we need a real life “Dexter” to appropriately deal with what has fallen through the cracks. This would include at least the sheriff, the murderous deputies, and the prosecutor who excused it all.
If we would stop the media from demonizing real-life heroes like Edward Snowden, William Binney, and Chelsea Manning, there might be a large number of them created in places where they are needed.
Dexter sounds like a twisted Batman story.
Another psychopath with a badge is David Clarke / former Sheriff of Milwaukiee County, allowed a pregnant woman to die in her cell chained to the floor while attempting to give unassisted birth. This creep needs to be taken down.
He is not only a psychopath but a proven fraud and liar.
Excuse me, that’s Milwaukee County, Wi.
I can’t stand that nutty negro.
had to share
OMG! does dirty odie not look exactly like this guy!!!
Clint Eastwood starred in more than one movie where he was battling corrupt cops.
Check out “The Gauntlet” some time.
Don’t forget battling corrupt and depraved Union Army murderers in his very best role, Josie Wales. After Shane, The Outlaw Josie Wales is the best western ever.
What about “The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly”, or “Once Upon a Time in the West”? “Young Guns” was also a pretty good flick imo.
A Fist Full Of Dollars
For A Few Dollars More.
High Plains Drifter……one of the best.
It also features superb performance by Dean Wormer from Animal House – Vernon Wells, IIRC – who played Josey Wales’ friend/enemy and then friend again.
Remember the scene with the despicable Union senator and the “red legs” officer?
Let Wales be. Let me be.
Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.
Dean Vernon Wormer might as well be the new Uncle Sucker.
“No more fun of ANY kind!”
John Vernon (Dean Wormer).
IMO, the single best one line that Clint ever uttered in a movie was his response to one of the bounty hunters who had come upon him in the saloon of the old mining town.
Bounty Hunter: A man’s gotta make a livin’.
Josey Wales: Dyin’ ain’t much of a livin’, boy.
I think an argument can be made that the movie is truly one of the most pro-anarchic / libertarian ever made.
It just resonates with and speaks to my soul.
I definitely agree. The scene at the end with Ten Bears is probably the best of any movie.
I liked “Unforgiven”
It’s time for a Paul Kersey (AKA Charles Bronson in Death Wish) to step up and take care of the Dirty Oddie’s of the world.
It’s noteworthy that Dirty Harry wasn’t just battling a few dirty cops, but a system that was inept at convicting the criminal element. Harry was unconventional in his time, but today that somewhat celebrated mentality has spread to throughout the government.
A prime example is Sicario, which takes it to a whole new level where the government takes matters into its own hands to become, without any due process; judge, jury, and executioner. The sole purpose is to restore a semblance of order; an order where the ptb are back in power controlling the whole show. They simply stir the pot, and after cutting the head off the chicken simply watch the fireworks. So now it is just the rookie cops with dreams of saving the world lawfully that have to be shown that to really make a difference, the law has to be ignored, abolished, etc. Because we’re the good guys and we can do that when we’re the good guys.
It’s really one of the best films I’ve seen in recent years. I particularly like the reference to the zealots of Jerusalem under Roman occupation. Those who are a bit more observant than average might also note that Sicario sounds similar to Iscariot; an intentional play on words in the gospel narratives; e.g. Judas Iscariot sounds like Juda Sicario which means Jewish Assassin. This is no coincidence and those with a literal interpretation of the texts will inevitably just shove their heads deeper into the ground.
In what way is this article about automobiles?
Other than the fact that the whole debacle occurred due to a minor traffic violation, nothing.
Why do you ask?
Anti: I think Eric was also pointing out that driving around in a run down rusted junker was a factor. Expired tags, registration, or license isn’t really a traffic violation is it? It’s more in line with a “fix it” ticket, no? Not pulling over immediately then escalates it up to a traffic violation, and traffic violations shouldn’t ordinarily result in executions.
In some places, a failure to comply with legalities is a misdemeanor, with a potential for imprisonment and fining. Not stopping constitutes evading arrest unless there is a valid justification.
I’m going to assume that you take issue with he fact that Eric addressed this crime within a website that is primarily about cars.
But the site’s banner reads “Automobiles, Motorcycles and Libertarian Politics”.
Nothing is more “political” than armed government workers randomly killing people without cause, since it is there, the nexus, the point where the rubber meets the road, of ALL politics. Where the schemes, plans, regulations and fatwas decreed by our rulers are enforced at gunpoint.
And nothing can be more “Libertarian” than being opposed to that.
A big AMEN to that. There is nothing worse than an out of control government and an out of control armed government worker/roadside tax collector.
Most of the true libertarians I know are opposed to anything beyond self-government, as the late Marshall Fritz, the creator of the World’s Smallest Political Quiz and the Diamond Chart was, as witnessed by the name of his organization: the Advocates for Self-Government.
The law enforcers have been a part of the topic of motoring for over a century. Be it revenuers or worse. The way government was able to claim a role of permission giver of the use of the public way by common conveyance and everything that sprouts from it is and should be part of the motoring media. It is a shame that it has been shoved off to the side by most of the automotive press because the government is more active than ever to dictate things to us and ruin our day or our lives over enforcing some dictate or the other.
The day we allowed “implied consent” to infiltrate things, and never did we shove back on the “driving is a privilege…” nonsense, was a huge mistake.
I do my miniscule part these days by telling any kid that will listen “Driving is a right, not a privilege. And anyone that tells you different is a liar.”
Given that this “right” is granted solely at the discretion of the State, and the hoops one has to jump through are only becoming more and more onerous, and the level of insanity exhibited by our government goons is continually increasing, I see it neither as a right or a privilege; but an inconvenient and dangerous manifestation of our subservience to Big Brother.
I try to get people to understand the full implications of motoring as a government granted privilege. Showing them what a privilege actually is. Doesn’t seem to do much good except make them mad at me.
People just repeat what teacher told them.
Nothing changes for the better until the schools are out of government hands.
they may be liars but they got the power and 95% of the people bow down to them
Driving being a right translates quickly into owning a car is a right.
Of course it is, because no one has the right to forbid you from owning a car. That doesn’t mean you have the right to be provided a car, because you don’t.
If you have a right to own a car, why wouldn’t one be provided to those who cannot afford it, like anything else to which one is entitled by positive rights?
Homelessness is being criminalized.
Carlessness is likely to be next.
Because all real rights are “negative”- no one has the right to prevent you from exercising it, but that’s the only obligation it places on others. They don’t have a right to provide it to you by their labor.
I have the right to own and to carry a gun- you have no obligation to give me the gun I want. (But you can if you want to!)
You must not be acquainted with the rights that many believe the government to be imbued with.
We have the right to all verbs.
We have the right to no nouns.
Not even ourselves.
Even there we have only the right to defend what’s ours.
If we fail to defend, it isn’t really ours.
government are not required to provide stuff for us at all… that is OUR job. We do NOT live under marxism or socialism. Not even fascism. What’s mine is mine and NOT yours. You have the right to provide for me anything (or nothing) yu choose to provide, but I have NO PLACE expecting or demanding it.
and how would owning a vehicle of any sort NOT be a right? I can own a house, a horse, a hotel, my shoes and clothes, on what rational argument can I NOT also own a car, truck, boat, trailer, bus, firetruck, forklift, snowmobile…… did anyone in the time our nation was founded ever dream government could/would “require” its own permission to own and/or use a horse and buggy that so, on what basis do government now demand our poermission along with “fees” taken at gunpoint, as was proven in this man’s case?
This is a very solid point, I think. Free movement is a natural right, without which one cannot be said to be free. The government has effectively made it impossible for most people to freely travel without using government roads, which were created via force – eminent domain and taxes. To state that it is a “privilege” to travel upon roads we have little choice about using and which we are forced to pay for is outrageous.
Here is where you are mistaken. The “government” does not own roads. It was required by the US Constitution to build them to make mail delivery faster to all over the nation. Remember, they are OUR representatives acting for us in the things they deal with, using our money. What they are allowed to use that money for is listed within the Constitutions – state and federal. Example of federal spending that is allowed, with all else being corruption and misappropriation of funds.
“What would our Country’s financial condition be if WE THE PEOPLE had enforced the enumerated powers on Congress? It is the enumerated powers which list the objects on which Congress may appropriate funds:
— immigration office (Art. I, §8, cl.4)
— mint (Art. I, §8, cl. 5)
— Attorney General (Art. I, §8, cl. 6)
— post offices & post roads (Art. I, §8, cl. 7)
— patent & copyright office (Art. I, §8, cl. 8)
— federal courts (Art. I, §8, cl. 9)
— military (Art. I, §8, cls. 11-16)
— the civil list (Art. I, §6, cl.1)
[and other objects listed in various other articles, sections, & clauses]
Do you get the idea? The Constitution itemizes what Congress is permitted to spend money on. See also the two geographical areas over which Congress was delegated “general legislative powers”: Art. I, §8, next to last clause, & Art. IV, §3, cl. 2.” (Publius Huldah)
I do understand. The problem, of course is that the Constitution is a functional nullity; the government does whatever it wants to and is the arbiter of its own powers. The Constitution in no way meaningfully limits the arbitrary exercise of power by the government; that is, by the relative handful of professional bureaucrats, politicians and so on who comprise it.
Moreover, the Constitution isn’t binding regardless – as a moral question – absent consent. I did not consent to it, so it does not (morally) bind me.
As Spooner observed, this idea that a group of strangers can get together, write up a document and then insist that the entire population is bound to abide by its terms is both obnoxious and preposterous.
Why should the Constitution be binding on those who work for us if it wasn’t binding for their employers?
It isn’t – and they certainly don’t work for me, as I did not hire them. And more to the point, cannot fire them.
Actually it IS binding on those that serve within our governments. It is the supreme CONTRACT that they serve under. It comes before any other contract unless they serve within a state government, in which case the US Constitution is supreme in the LIMITED areas over which it has powers (delegated from the states), then comes the state Constitution.
It is a felony to break the contract each time it is done, and at the same time a felony and Perjury for each time the Oath is broken. If a state employee then it becomes 2 felonies for breaking the Constitutions and 2 felonies for breaking the Oaths to the two documents.
There is a reason the Oaths are to the documents and NOT a person or office; just like there is a purpose that the powers are assigned to the branch or named office within a branch and NOT a person, agency, etc. They are ALLOWED to use the powers as long as they do the duty as constitutionally assigned, take and KEEP the Oath.
Dr. Edwin Vieira:
“This has nothing to do with personalities or subjective ideas. It’s a matter of what the Constitution provides…
The government of the United States has never violated anyone’s constitutional rights…
The government of the United States will never violate anyone constitutional rights, because it cannot violate anyone’s constitutional rights. The reason for that is: The government of the United States is that set of actions by public officials that are consistent with the Constitution. Outside of its constitutional powers, the government of the United States has no legitimacy. It has no authority; and, it really even has no existence. It is what lawyers call a legal fiction.
… the famous case Norton v. Shelby County… The Court said: “An unconstitutional act is not a law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties. It is, in legal contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed.”
And that applies to any (and all) governmental action outside of the Constitution…”
What are the defining characteristics of a limited government? They are its disabilities; what it does not have legal authority to do. Look at the First Amendment… What does it do? It guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of press, freedom of religion. But how does it do that? I quote: “Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech or of the press” etcetera. “Congress shall make no law;” that’s a statement of an absence of power. That’s a statement of a disability. ”
Basically, any of those that serve within our governments that did not do as contractually required can be removed and replaced by us anytime we wish to make the effort to do so as with all broken contracts the parties who participated in the contract decides if it is broken or not, etc.
If you read the US Constitution you will find that it is the people as the Militia of the several states that is required to enforce the Constitutions – state and federal.
The Militia has as its constitutionally assigned duties to:
— Enforce the US Constitution and each state’s Constitution,
— Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
— Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
— “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 15. In Clause 16 you will find the duties that those that serve within our state and general (federal is really the whole package) government has to the Militias.
Instead the militia has been subsumed into the National Guard under the command of the Pentagon instead of the governors of the states, where it belongs.
Several years ago, following it being brought up in a law club meeting, I looked up a Federal district court that was on microfiche (back in the day of Wall) that specifically found that we have a right to travel. I found elsewhere that most of us sign an agreement to surrender our right to travel when we receive the privilege to drive. A permit or license has always been something we have to obtain to do what would otherwise be illegal. Licenses and permits should have been prohibited in the Constitution, but very little was illegal without them then.
“If men, through fear, fraud or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation. The right to freedom being the gift of Almighty God, it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift and voluntarily become a slave.” Samuel Adams – helped organize the Boston Tea Party and signed the U.S. Declaration of Independence.
But it was John Hancock who pushed the Boston Tea Party, because the British were dumping tea on the colonies for less than he could smuggle it in from Holland.
Hate to rain on your parade: “I can own a house, a horse, a hotel, my shoes and clothes,” the house and hotel are rented from the state – try not paying your property taxes – you’ll be out on the street. The horse can be taken from you any time by the county “animal protection” so, all you can really own is the shirt on your back – and that is only allowed because it has no value.
The perpetual payment to live.
That’s how we are ruled and our neighbors cheer for it. Demand it. The idea of fee for service is something they don’t like because then they couldn’t take from others for what they want.
No shit Brent. Go to the tax office and say “I’m paying this under protest”…and everybody there, those whose salary your paying will look at you like you just appeared as some alien entity.
And they’re all thinking ‘Why Brent, we never knew you were a radical sumbitch”.
Sorry there a-holes, that’s how I see it and you walk away. No, I know you aren’t the a-hole I am and I’ll tell them that and recall I went to school with them but we damn sure differ on that point. Now and again, somebody will duck their head. They put all the taxes off on you and then think you should genuflect.
Shield your assets as best you can and ignore the thieves that you have disempowered.
Because corrupt people or ignorant people do those things in the name of “governmental powers” does not make those actions lawful. Actually they are NOT under the jurisdiction of those who serve within our governments. The people retained those “powers” for themselves. Want to know just how out of control and even treasonous those who serve within our governments are? Our governments were created to defend our natural rights, deal in our name and for our nation with foreign governments, etc – they are our representatives right down to the street sweepers. Get a government check, you are a representative for the people.
“Constitution of this state declares, among inalienable rights of each citizen, that of acquiring, possessing and protecting property. This is one of primary objects of government, is guaranteed by constitution, and cannot be impaired by legislation.” Billings v. Hall (1857), 7 C. 1.
“Right of protecting property, declared inalienable by constitution, is not mere right to protect it by individual force, but right to protect it by law of land, and force of body politic.” Billings v. Hall (1857), 7 C. 1.
John Adams: “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it anarchy and tyranny commence. If “Thou shalt not covet,” and “Thou shalt not steal,” were not commandments of heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society before it can be civilized or made free.’
John Adams: “Property is surely a right of mankind, as really as liberty”.
James Madison: “Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well that which lies in the various rights of individuals, as that which the term particularly expresses. This being the end of government, that alone is a just government, which impartially secures to every man, whatever is his own.”
“Right of transit through each state, with every species of property known to constitution of United States, and recognized by that paramount law, is secured by that instrument to each citizen, and does not depend upon uncertain and changeable ground of mere comity.” In Re Archy (1858), 9 C. 47.
James Madison, Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments (1785): “The preservation of a free Government requires not merely, that the metes and bounds which separate each department of power be invariably maintained; but more especially that neither of them be suffered to overleap the great Barrier which defends the rights of the people. The Rulers who are guilty of such an encroachment, exceed the commission from which they derive their authority, and are Tyrants. The People who submit to it are governed by laws made neither by themselves nor by an authority derived from them, and are slaves.
We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it.”
But WE forgot that lesson.
Archibald Maclaine said during North Carolina’s ratifying convention: “If Congress should make a law beyond the powers and the spirit of the Constitution, should we not say to Congress, ‘You have no authority to make this law. There are limits beyond which you cannot go. You cannot exceed the power prescribed by the Constitution. You are amenable to us for your conduct. This act is unconstitutional. We will disregard it, and punish you for the attempt.’”
Samuel Adams, using sarcasm to make a point on May 15, 1764 (Understand that all that he lists is PROTECTED from those who serve within our governments – state and federal – by the US Constitution): “But if our Trade may be taxed why not our Lands? Why not the Produce of our Lands and every thing we possess or make use of? This we apprehend annihilates our Charter Right to govern and tax ourselves… are we not reduced from the Character of free Subjects to the miserable State of tributary slaves?”
George Washington: ““I think the Parliament of Great Britain hath no more Right to put their hands into my Pocket, without my consent, than I have to put my hands into your’s, for money…”
Thomas Jefferson to Lord North 1775: “That this privilege of giving or of withholding our monies, is an important barrier against the undue exertion of prerogative, which if left altogether without control, may be exercised to our great oppression; and all history shews how efficacious is its intercession from redress of grievances, and re-establishment of rights, and how improvident it would be to part with so powerful a mediator.”
|| George Washington: “I think the Parliament of Great Britain hath no more Right to put their hands into my Pocket, without my consent, than I have to put my hands into your’s, for money…” ||
True of course.
The problem was that GW promptly violated that very principle during the Whiskey Rebellion.
The Whiskey Rebellion (also known as the Whiskey Insurrection) was a tax protest in the United States beginning in 1791 during the presidency of George Washington.
The so-called “whiskey tax” was the first tax imposed on a domestic product by the newly formed federal government. It became law in 1791, and was intended to generate revenue for the war debt incurred during the Revolutionary War.
The tax applied to all distilled spirits, but American whiskey was by far the country’s most popular distilled beverage in the 18th century, so the excise became widely known as a “whiskey tax”.
Farmers of the western frontier were accustomed to distilling their surplus rye, barley, wheat, corn, or fermented grain mixtures into whiskey. These farmers resisted the tax. In these regions, whiskey often served as a medium of exchange.
Many of the resisters were war veterans who believed that they were fighting for the principles of the American Revolution, in particular against taxation without local representation, while the federal government maintained that the taxes were the legal expression of Congressional taxation powers.
In short, the American Revolution was betrayed not by FDR or even Lincoln, but by the “Framers” themselves from the very outset.
The only revolutionary heroes that lived up to their reputations were the ones who rejected the rights-violating “Constitution”, with its “I’m allowed to rob you” taxation clause.
Thomas Paine. Patrick Henry. George Mason. Et al.
Comment by me, Bevin.
Not sure why it shows the author as “anonymous”.
The odd/random things this software does baffles me. I wish I could afford a full-time computer geek to deal with this stuff. Sigh.
I agree they (framers) were not perfect in the implementation of the new government.
But what they did do was expect that “we, the normal everyday people, would educate ourselves in history so that we could make our government better instead of allow “dictators” to compromise not only our legitimate government, but us, our lives, our children’s lives, as well. We hold them to nothing, and many are bought off with free phones, etc. They are willing to be ruled, and will cry when – as history shows us time and again, that those who serve within our government will willingly and knowingly murder tons of us. That is already on the uptick and has been going on for decades. One seems to only recognize weapons such as guns, etc; while vaccines, weather modification (going on since the 30’s though much more sophisticated now) has been used in foreign wars and against us domestically. Remember the ultimate power is the power over life and death, and the power hungry will use it.
Don’t believe me, study REAL history, not the pablum that is spoonfed to us.
BTW, Under Section 802 (Title 18), “domestic terrorism” is defined as involving “acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;” which “appear to be intended–to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (or) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion”. Once Section 802 of the Patriot act was engaged, Section 806 of the act provides the authority to seize “All assets, foreign or domestic–of any individual, entity, or organization engaged in planning or perpetrating any act of domestic or international terrorism against the United States”. Yet that is not a lawful act (Patriot Act), it is forbidden. But we allow much that is forbidden to be used against us. At least in Washington the people there are REQUIRING the removal of the spy cameras on every corner, etc.
You know right from wrong, can you say that you never go against those principles? Few can, hopefully you are one with a higher and more steady moral structure.
Or, as Thomas Jefferson wrote, “The spirit of the times may alter, will alter. Our rulers will become corrupt, our people careless. A single zealot may become persecutor, and better men be his victims. It can never be too often repeated that the time for fixing every essential right, on a legal basis, is while our rulers are honest, ourselves united. From the conclusion of this war we shall be going down hill. It will not then be necessary to resort every moment to the people for support. They will be forgotten, therefore, and their rights disregarded. They will forget themselves in the sole faculty of making money, and will never think of uniting to effect a due respect for their rights. The shackles, therefore, which shall not be knocked off at the conclusion of this war, will be heavier and heavier, till our rights shall revive or expire in a convulsion.”
That is absolutely correct Bevin! It is long past time to end the worship of the CONstitution and of the fondling fathers of this tyrannical government. The Declaration of Independence tells us that it is our duty to put down tyranny; yet the fondling fathers set into place the death penalty via firing squad for insurrection and treason against themselves. They also purposely made the CONstitution toothless against their own violations of “the supreme law of the land.” The worse thing that can happen to them is to get impeached/fired.
Indeed, the first 3 presidents violated the CONstitution without any meaningful consequence, and no effort was made to place teeth into it.
I understand the appeal of believing that the state can be fixed simply by going back to the so-called founding principles because I use to believe that to be true as well. One of the several red flags which caught my attention is the fact that some people tend to place blame sideways against their peers rather than the rulers or system directly in front of them. Representative government was sold to everyone as being the solution to solve the problem of the masses lacking the time to become educated about every bill being proposed; yet some people today hold the public responsible for not knowing what their congresscritter is voting for. Hell! The CONgresscritter doesn’t even read the bills himself; yet “We, the people” are to blame in the eyes of some so-called patriots. Why have a government at all if “we, the people” have to babysit and supervise it every step of the way? That is inefficient and stupid! Abolish the state!
Your religion is whatever you worship, regardless of whether it is real and/or true. After you abolish the state that you worship, by default, what will you worship next?
You’re incorrect. The Constitution defines our government, it is extremely limited in its domestic powers – those belong to us and the states. It was created as a representative for the STATES in dealing with foreign affairs so that all states would have the same treaty, etc.
The US Constitution makes it very clear that WE created our governments and are the LAST WORD on them. Try reading it, and the framers words, and the people of that time.
What is going on today is OUR fault. WE do NOT do our duty. What are the three branches of government for our nation?
First it is “We the people of the united States”. All authority that those who serve within our governments – state and general – are delegated by us to the States. Then the states delegated a bit of their (delegated power) to the federal government – that which deals with foreign affairs and seeing that the states trade fairly with each other.
I do not worship the state, I recognize that the people who serve within it are corrupt and I do take action. What do you do? I would say that you are one who judges our legitimate government by what you were told, NOT what you actually taught yourself by reading the documents – US Constitution and your own state’s Constitution.
Consider this, the Declaration of Independence says that the American colonies of Great Britain had become “free and independent states” — separate states. The U.S. Constitution refers constantly to the states, but never to a “nation”..
We are a group of united sovereign governments – the states. The general government is the representative for the states.
Thomas Jefferson: “I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; not enlightened enough to exercise their control with wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion. Enlighten the people generally and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.”
George Washington: “A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
Richard Henry Lee, 1788, Initiator of the Declaration of Independence, and member of the first Senate, which passed the Bill of Rights: “Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.”
George Washington, “Sentiments on a Peace Establishment”, letter to Alexander Hamilton; “The Writings of George Washington”: “It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government…, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
President Andrew Johnson: “Outside of the Constitution we have no legal authority more than private citizens, and within it we have only so much as that instrument gives us. This broad principle limits all our functions and applies to all subjects.”
Gary Hart: “A permanent standing military seeks causes for its continued existence and resources to maintain itself. A citizen army–an army of the people–participates in the debate as to why it exists, what threat it must repel, and how and where it may be used. For a democratic republic, there is a world of difference between these two institutions.”
John C. Calhoun’s 1831 “Fort Hill Address”: “The error is in the assumption that the General Government is a party to the constitutional compact. The States, as has been shown, formed the compact, acting as Sovereign and independent communities. The General Government is but its creature;” See: https://thementalmilitia.net/2017/02/08/john-c-calhoun-fort-hill-address-1831/
Thomas Jefferson noted in the Declaration of Independence, each of us is born with “Unalienable Rights” which are not properly subjugated to any man-made government, because they are given us freely by “Nature, or Nature’s God”. “Nature, or Nature’s God”, is a higher authority than any man-made government or corporate entity.
Charlie Reese, syndicated columnist: “”A government that intended to protect the liberty of the people would not disarm them. A government planning the opposite most certainly and logically would disarm them. And so it has been in this century. Check out the history of Germany, the Soviet Union, Cuba, China and Cambodia.”
Bertrand Russell,1953: “… Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible…” (“The Impact of Science on Society”, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1953)
The PATRIOT Act’s crowning jewel is the Department of Homeland Security. What most Americans do not understand is that the DHS was modeled after Heinrich Himmler’s RSHA, where they created a system that was incorporating all Nazi police departments under the control of what they called the Department of National Security. The Department of Homeland Security was also known as the Reichssicherheitshauptamt.
Hitler: “What luck for rulers that people do not think.”
Second it is the states that the people created.
Then it is the general government (federal is the whose shebang).
You speak of “our” government, as if I (and everyone else) consented to be ruled by it.
You speak of “legitimate” government… according to whom?
You speak of states having rights. How can a non-human construct have rights?
Please see: https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2018/01/06/it-did-what-it-was-written-to-do/
The problem developed when “The United States” went from being plural to being singular, in law and in our minds. Then empire was only a matter of time.
It always comes down to the one thing — Etienne de La Boetie’s observation about voluntary servitude.
La Boétie goes on to make a case as to why people ought to withdraw their consent immediately. He urges all people to rise up and cast off tyranny simply by refusing to concede that the state is in charge.
The tyrant has “nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you. Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you?”
Then these inspiring words: “Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.”
20+ years ago the Commandant (that was the title then, since changed to Colonel) of the NCHP stated it was “a privilege to be on the roadways of North Carolina”. Since virtually every pig path and up is a “state highway” in the Tarheel State that means anything more than house arrest is a privilege granted by The State.
Not that you actually own that house…but, that’s a discussion for later…
this will only stop when the people start killing rogue cops. In China there were 5 cops that accidentally girl a woman the people beat the cop to death and the other 4 almost to death. they do not even have the 2nd amendment which has been twisted by cowardly gun owners as only for hunting what primers to use etc.
the ONLY purpose of the 2nd was to take down the govt which Jefferson said should happen every 20 years cause power corrupts by then. armed revolt will never happen cause the coward right worships cops and most every one else. when I am getting coffee with around 25 people there and a cop walks in it is like Jesus or Elvis walked in. it is sickening and I walk out. then a fat ugly bull dyke cop comes in the hetro young nice looking girls do everything but lick their shoes like Brittany spears walked in
Yes, this is the REAL thin blue line they walk. They go too far and BLM’s start hunting them with dogs. It is sad that the only thing that swings the pendulum back towards the 4th amendment is when people start shooting them. If I were in law enforcement and got complaints about my actions from a neighborhood, I would simply stop going into that neighborhood. Tell them “ok, you are on your own”. The neighborhood would probably be better off. Seems like today the Cops attitude is “I’m going to help you if I have to kill you to do it!”.
the ONLY purpose of the 2nd was to take down the govt
ABSOLUTELY NOTTTTTT!!! The SOLE purpose of that Second Article of Ammendment was, and remains, to equip THE PEOPLE for the task that same Article of Ammendment declares is the DUTY of the People….. to see to “the security of a free state”. If that means taking down government, too bad for the corrupt gummit, and so be it. If that means citizens go after the dirty copper murdering folks at random for petty indiscretions, so be it. If that means normal folk pick up their handy dandy firearm when some silmeball tries to break into their home at oh dark thirty, so be it. If it means a pack of marauding wolves planted by government eedjits are eathing up their livelihood by way of the cattle they raise, so be it. If that means bringing your peronal defensive weapon to bear against a car jacker in Chicago and Rahmie Boy doan lak it wun bit, so be it.
“… the ONLY purpose of the 2nd was to take down the govt”
I believe, though I might be mistaken, that what you actually mean is to remove in whatever way ends up being necessary to remove those CORRUPT PEOPLE WHO SERVE WITHIN our government and replace them with those who will keep the contract, and Oath. Am I correct?
Actually, the Second Amendment is the empowerment clause for the duty enumerated in the Declaration of Independence for “when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
If you have been public school educated you have been told the biggest most horrible lie ever: that is, power comes from voting / politics. The TRUTH is, that power flows from the barrel of a gun. In the end, might makes right. Allowing citizens to have guns is simply allowing them to have some tiny bit of power / sovereignty. It is armed citizens that make the po po think twice before kicking in doors at random.
Last week, the city of Wierton, West Virginia agreed to pay Stephen Mader $175,000.00 to settle Mr. Mader’s wrongful discharge lawsuit. Mader had been terminated by the Wierton PD because he had REFUSED to kill a suicidal, 21 year old negro man who was wielding an unloaded gun.
The black man was murdered by another armed government worker who arrived on the scene several minutes later. The murderous officer stated that Mader “didn’t have the balls to save his own life.”
If “police officer” were a legitimate job choice (it’s not, but we’re pretending for a moment) then a cop’s number one duty would be to die on the job, trading his life for that of one of us. That they choose to murder so they can “make it home at the end of the shift”, or to avoid inconvenience, shows they aren’t fit for the job.
Agreed. And – I always refer to them as armed government workers. Which is factually correct and while it will annoy the badge-lickers, they can’t dispute the accuracy of the term.
Eric, I am going to start routinely referring to our heroes as armed government workers.
I prefer calling them traitors.
Treason is defined in the Constitution at Article 3, Section 3, as consisting “only in levying War against (the United States), or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
All members of the American military take an oath to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; (and to) bear true faith and allegiance to the same.”
When the military is committed to foreign actions without a declaration of war by Congress, as required by Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 11 of the Constitution, that is a violation of the Constitution, arguably the action of domestic enemies.
When a member of the military participates in an unconstitutional foreign military deployment, s/he violates both the Constitution and his/her oath to “support and defend” it, giving “aid and comfort” to it’s “domestic enemies,” committing treason by the definition given by the Constitution.
I tried to read the Constitution one time, but it was covered in shit from the Supreme Court using it for ass wipe.
Say it again JOhnny.
I don’t use the term “government workers”. I use “government employees”. Why? The word “workers” implies work is being done.
The mentality of cops in America is akin to being a soldier (another of our heroes) in Iraq, Afghanistan or Syria, murdering innocent men, women and children much the same way the cowardly, chickenshit, pussyass IDF murders women and children in Gaza.
It’s natural therefore for the heroes, who are being trained in that little zionist shit hole, israel, to treat us the same way the IDF treats Palestinians.
Welcome to Gaza, USA. No one is safe. Not men, women or children. The heroes will also shoot the family dog….cuz he feared for his life.
It’s only going to get worse in The Police States of America.
Chump has just reversed the previous president’s halt to arming the heroes with more military equipment. That’s to make Amurca great again. He just signed the latest FISA renewal….to make Amurca great again. And of course sending America’s other heroes into Syria….to make Amurca great again. More Americans into Afghanistan….to make Amurca great again. Selling billions in arms to one of the worst, most backwards states in the middle east, Saudi Arabia….to make Amurca great again.
So don’t be surprised when the hero/ civilian death toll takes another big leap for herokind.
I expect this year’s death by hero toll will surpass that of 2015.
best you get double indemnity life insurance. will the insurance companies payout if someone is removed from society by an armed government worker?
Sad thing is, your neighbors are all down at the police station BEGGING them to roust and shoot more people.
Reminds me of the time I was pulled over while driving an old, clapped out van, for not signalling a turn in the middle of the night. I asked the cop if this was a “beat-up old truck” traffic stop. I should be more cautious nowadays.
I have a fairly unique perspective on this as I drive a wide range of vehicles – everything from a brand-new six-figure luxury car to my old beat-up truck. I am the same guy, yet I get differently treated depending on the vehicle I am in. If it’s new/high-end, I am treated as presumptively rich. If I am in my truck, people assume I am po’.
I get a kick out of dressing like a redneck when driving something like a $140,000 Mercedes S Class. People assume you must be really rich!
But then, a “hero” might assume I stole the car and shoot me dead because I “moved suddenly” and thus threatened his safety.
So much this.
How I drive is a constant. How I look is a constant. What I drive isn’t. The treatment can be astoundingly different. Not only from cops but humans in general. I guess if I was a normal human I would exploit that in my purchasing decisions of cars and clothing but I just can’t seem to GAFF.
If you want to have fun, go to a car show dressed as a redneck and then wander into the luxury car section.
I was in my suit, me and my buddy pointed at a cop as we drove by, and we were both laughing – so he pulled out and I immediately pulled over. He said “driving with no headlights” and I took a picture of the sky and said “it is 6pm and unless the sun and earth decided to something different today than they normally do, you are a liar and I’m not going to answer any of your questions.” I sat there for three hours while ten cop cars came and searched my car. The cop didn’t show up in court.
Point is, no matter what you are wearing, if you don’t “yes sir” and suck their dicks they WILL ruin your day.
A lot of PO Po are trained in Israel. We are all Palestinians now…
And they’re forced to go to Hollowhoax fun houses to instill White guilt.
Then there are these exchanges:
Norristown Sheriff’s Department Holds Round Table With Israeli Police
November 30, 2017 3:01 PM
By Jim Melwert
NORRISTOWN, Pa. (CBS) — The Norristown Sheriff’s Department hosted a round-table discussion on policing with their counterparts from Israel.
Barack Mordechai with Israel Police met with police chiefs from across Montgomery County for a roundtable discussion on topics like collaboration between police forces, police and community cooperation, and public trust in police.
“We work in some places differently than you work, but in a lot of cases the challenges are the same,” Mordechai said.
“I think that any time you have the opportunity to reflect on your own work, through the eyes of someone trying to do the same thing, it’s going to be valuable for you and for them,” said Norristown Police Chief Mark Talbot.
cite proof, please…… bogus claim. NO lE department I’ve ever known has spent the money to send their ossifers to Israel.
How about this…
but,wait! there’s more…
Sounds like he needs a dose of his own medicine.
I will say the cops around here don’t look twice a a half wrecked old truck with scrap or wood piled 8ft high in the bed
Cops scare the shit out of me. When I was growing up the 1970s, running the cops was all fun and games, kinda like the Dukes of Hazzard.
Today, the cops will kill you for anything and if they don’t they’ll charge you with ten felonies for so much as passing gas behind the barn. Ever since 9/11 they’ve turned this country into Nazi fucking Germany. If they kill you, they’ll get a commendation and a promotion because you might have been a “terrorist.” To make matters worse, the “conservatives” lick the boots of the cops and hero-worship them as our “first responders” “keeping us safe.” Sickening.
Check THIS guy out. Scary as hell!!! (Thankfully, because of the cell phone video he was arrested and fired…)
Amen, X –
I agree with others here who’ve posted that – for the moment – the smart policy is to MGTOW all armed government workers. To avoid/shun them. Incidentally, I am hoping others pick up my use of “armed government workers.” It is utterly factual – and less incendiary – than “pigs” and it also obviates this “hero” and “first responder” nonsense.
Armed gvT workers are also found in : TSA, IRS, BLM, USPS, DEA, BATF, HHS, HEALTH DEPT, etc…beware.
Sorrym U have a serious problem with the term “workers” as used here, WORK implies a beneficial product results from the time spent. In that case, the reward (salary) is justified. In most government positions, there IS no beneficial work product, only the consuption of the substance of those who DO work.
How about using “employee” “minion”, “functionary”
“Incidentally, I am hoping others pick up my use of “armed government workers.” It is utterly factual – and less incendiary – than “pigs” and it also obviates this “hero” and “first responder” nonsense.”
I fully agree and use that term, or something similar, as much as possible:
“Armed government workers”
“Armed government enforcers”
“Armed roadside tax collectors”
“Armed government regulators”
MGTOW for cops.
I cannot stress this enough.
The Mundanes do not care, they would sit around stuff their faces with pizza and beer and cheer if this was presented on teevee as an episode of “Cops”, as they watch you bleed out and die.
The government does not care, this serves their purposes.
The lawyers do not care, dead people don’t pay legal fees.
The “minorities” don’t care because you are not one of them and justice against out of control cops only matters to them if you are the right skin color, which is why this wasn’t on the nightly newz for a month.
The ONLY solution is the same as the ONLY solution for dealing with the toxic slags of feminine pulchritude known as woemen these days: MGTOW.
First and foremost: DO NOT CALL COPS. Ever. For anything.
Secondly, make sure no cops are in your personal life: friends, relatives, what have you, SHUN them, make it clear you do not want or need their contact, do not want them in your life, do not want any contact at all. Remember this, they are ALWAYS cops first and everything else second. No matter how close you may be, they WILL fuck you up and put you jail if they are ordered to and not think twice about it.
Third, and this is the most difficult, assuming you are not willing or able to make a run for it, or if you have decided that today is good day to die, when a cop sticks his unwelcome snout into your life, then submit and comply as calmly and docilely as you can. The object is not to impugn your manhood, or make you appear weak and servile, but to get them out of your life as quickly and smoothly as possible. These are deadly, unhinged lunatics who have the power to kill you with almost no justification of any kind needed. Like a deadly rattlesnake, since you cannot shoot it, you therefore do not touch it, disturb it or molest it in any way, just do everything you can to remove yourself from the threat.
i had some harm less snakes around here and squirrels that damaged my property they had to be forcefully removed from my property the squirrels that are left avoid me i will not keep my head down i
will not remain silent that is what has caused this situation
After you shoot a few squirrels, they will avoid you. If you don’t shoot any for a few months, they lose respect for you.
Those who are obviously nuts shouldn’t expect the respect of the squirrels to diminish.
“Secondly, make sure no cops are in your personal life: friends, relatives, what have you, SHUN them, make it clear you do not want or need their contact, do not want them in your life,…”
Make every family of a cop hate their guts: When the little coward gets home, the kids and spouse start yelling at them…”Daddy, why do all the kids in class call you an ass hole?” or “I am sick and tired of going to the grocery and everyone flips me the finger…even the checkout clerk throws the change at me. The plumber wouldn’t fit us in to fix the water heater…muttered something about a fucking tail light ticket.”
Turn every one of them into a raging alcoholic, divorced and bankrupt.
Well, at least we can dream, right?
When I was in my early 20’s my roommates were all in law school. I also have a few relatives who are lawyers, but I didn’t fully understand how the criminal justice system works until I began to develop a record of arrests. I can tell you from this experience that staying calm and accepting that you are going to jail as if you’ve just won the lottery is the best way to go.
I will routinely tell an officer who looks even slightly nervous or irritated that I would appreciate it if he would handcuff me for both of our protection. I inform them that I have tools in the glove compartment that could easily be used with lethal force, e.g. screwdrivers, hammers, etc.
Years ago, I used to pick up old and quite large beaters; usually old Cadillacs which as it turns out used to be a favorite for running drugs. Meeting law enforcement officers while driving usually resulted in them pulling an immediate U-turn to pull me over just for general principle. Quite often I would have a trunk full of filthy, stinky garbage which I was more than happy to let them dig through like a bunch of pigs rooting in crap.
As soon as they announced that they could take me to jail, I would immediately point out that I had no objections to a trip to the jail with whatever tests they felt necessary to prove my innocence or guilt. In a number of cases I was quite wasted, but the level of polite cooperation completely disarmed them of whatever common sense that may have had left.
when i was pulled over for not wearing my seatbelt while driving my antique car I told the officer that i did not choose to wear my seat belt i was pepper sprayed and dragged from my vehicle I filed an excessive force lawsuit against them so they sent a swat team to my house in the middle of the night over some scrap metal that i had nothing to do with and never paid for the damage they did to my front door I was left with excuses by lawyers and had to repair the door myself I was lucky to escape with my life on both occasions
They do these things because they like doing them. That has long been evident. But what people don’t really understand is they become cops because they want to do these things and get away with it.
The reason we have a second amendment is ostensibly to make “law enforcement” a practical impossibility. There is only one way to rectify this mess, and it won’t happen until a critical mass of oppressed individuals (and that’s what we ALL are in this gulag) break the programming and put an end to it.
Actually we are not supposed to have a professional government enforcement agency (or 3 or 4…). US Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, read Clauses 15 and 16 because its the Militia has as its constitutionally assigned duties to:
— Enforce the US Constitution (supreme Law of this nation) and each state’s Constitution (highest Law of the state except in the rare instances of conflict with the supreme Law),
— Enforce and keep the “Laws of the Union” (which are constitutional laws ONLY),
— Protect the country against all enemies both domestic and foreign, and
— “to suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions”.
Clause 15: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel invasions.“
This clause is very straightforward. The next Clause lists the duties that those WHO SERVE WITHIN the federal and state governments have to the Militias of the several states (that would be the people).
Clause 16: “To provide for organizing, arming and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress”.
Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, floor debate over the 2nd Amendment, I Annals of Congress: “What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to PREVENT THE ESTABLISMENT OF A STANDING ARMY, the bane of liberty….”
Thomas Jefferson, 1st inaugural, explained that: “a well-disciplined militia” is “our best reliance in peace and for the first moments of war, till regulars may relieve them” and also a guarantee of “the supremacy of the civil over the military authority; [and] economy in the public expense.”
Richard Henry Lee: “A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …”
George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment: “I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”
Thomas Cooley: “The right is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those persons who, under the law, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon… If the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for that purpose”.
So who is supposed to be armed, trained, knowledgeable about the US Constitution and their own state’s Constitution?
Tench Coxe, Delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787: “Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. THEIR SWORDS, AND EVERY OTHER TERRIBLE IMPLEMENT OF THE SOLDIER, ARE THE BIRTH-RIGHT OF AN AMERICAN… THE UNLIMITED POWER OF THE SWORD IS NOT IN THE HANDS OF EITHER THE FEDERAL OR STATE GOVERNMENTS BUT, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”
Tench Coxe, ‘Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution’, in the Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, on the Second Amendment where he asserts that it’s the people with arms, who serve as the ultimate check on government: “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms”.
An editorial on Gage’s proclamation stressed that an armed populace must keep government in check: “The opposing an arbitrary measure, or resisting an illegal force, is no more rebellion than to refuse obedience to a highway-man who demands your purse, or to fight a wild beast, that came to devour you. It is morally lawful, in all limited governments, to resist that force that wants political power, from the petty constable to the king…. THEY ARE REBELS WHO ARM AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION, NOT THEY WHO DEFEND IT BY ARMS.” “A Freeman,” PA. EVENING POST, June 27, 1775, at 2. [Vol. 7:2]
Joseph Stalin, 1933: ”The United States should get rid of its militias”.
And they did. FYI We let those who serve within our governments create a professional gov LE ~1923 – 1936. Sheriffs are elected by the people (or are supposed to be, so they were always allowed, and they used the Militia (after they trained them) for a “posse” to assist when needed. They modeled it on Englands “Bobby” system though we had proclaimed our separation from England long before.
I see we read the same stuff. No need to preach to the choir in Eric’s speakeasy here. Law is to be enforced only by “interested parties”, e.g the victim or his representatives. Every time I hear ,”The people vs me/you/any other innocent” I gag on bile.
Need one of those “good cops” I keep hearing copsuckers claim are out there to put an end to Oddie’s reign of murder.
A “good cop” is as oxymoronic as a heterosexual gay.
Exactly. Where are all the good cops stopping the “few bad apples”?
And, as far as the “one bad apple” thing…blame it on the Osmonds…
White County Chamber of Commerce
This little sadist Oddie Shoupe was also embroiled in a scheme he had going with a local judge: They offered reduced sentences for those that would undergo sterilization.
Oddie’s bloodlust is obvious. He’s certainly found his calling as a sociopath.
However, what is perhaps most revealing is around the four minute mark when he talks about the deputy that killed Dial. Apparently he was very upset at taking a life. The reaction of Oddie is that “he’s in the big league now” and “if he can’t take he needs to get out”.
THAT is where we’re at. If you can’t be fine with casual, random killing you can’t be a cop.
A man I go to church with is a retired cop. He’s struggling with what he did on the job. He’s trying (like all of us) to be a better follower of The Prince of Peace and he sees now how that is diametrically opposed to what he did and, in his words, how “cold” he had become.
But wait, there’s more…
Quotes from the Sheriff’s website…
Sheriff Shoupe has a philosophy of zero tolerance towards the criminal element, which has been embraced by deputies and community alike.
And then he has the audacity to quote Ghandi…
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Wanna bet the community is made up of bible thumping evangelical/fundamentalists.
Who got their law enforcement ideas from the Old Testament, minus the levitical councils.
NOTHING in th Old or New Tstaments even remotely resembles what we see with coppers in the US today. Nor do the courts resemble anythjing found in those texts.
Mark, I have doubts the shooting officer is actually upset. He seemed quick to resort to killing an unarmed person. He is supposed to say and act like he is upset after a killing, for his protection. Act sad, remorseful, “I don’t wake up in the morning wanting to kill anybody”.
Oddie is just talking, saying what he needs to say on the record, covering for his pal. Oh, his first kill. He’s taking it real hard. He never conceived of doing something like this. That’s why he became a cop. He must not have what it takes. He did nothing wrong. He’s a pussy. All cops should be able to kill “when needed”. All part of the job.
Make the shooting officer seem weak to protect him and distract everyone from the fact that they did it for no reason, and like doing it. One cop criticizing the shooting cop for being “remorseful” will make the sheep sympathize with the shooting cop, and not the now-dead unarmed poor guy. The poor cop… he had to (chose to) kill someone. I feel so bad for him.
If it ever gets to court, the media will help in illustrating the emotion of the cop. His supposed regret. You’ll notice after some shootings, when the victim survives, the cop will perform CPR, call an ambulance, take all the right steps. This will be emphasized.
Any private citizen who kills someone, it doesn’t matter what emotions they show or what actions they take.
Wait 30 seconds to call the police? Why so quick? Is he trying to act unsuspicious?
5 minutes? Why so slow? Was he changing the scene?
He looked so sad, and was crying. He’s faking it, and trying to get sympathy.
He looked stoic. An inhuman, emotionless murderer.
Why have a loaded gun anyway? Was he looking to kill someone that night?
When taken to court, it is twisted for the cop and against the private citizen.
I know, preaching!
And it is funny how the left claims to want more government but hate cops, and the right claims to want less government but love cops. I don’t get it. Cops are the exception in both cases. Well, both groups deserve the cops they’ve created.
Since he was being recorded without his knowledge I doubt he was “covering” for the shooting cop.
As far as rendering medical aid to those they’ve shot, the cell phone videos and other surveillance tapes rarely show this.